Barack Obama.....??

**qualityclrk1** · 02-12-2008, 01:50 AM

Though i'm still a huge supporter of Ron Paul, i feel as if i need to look into whose going to be running my country in the next few months...Anybody voting for barack, or voting against him- and why?...i read this on cbsnews.com and it reminded me a lot of why i started to support Paul in the first place. [His approach to politics, articulated in The Speech, is to look for common ground: "There's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America. ...The pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States… But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states…."] So if it comes down to it, i'll probably go Obama over clinton- even though she does make me feel more "comfortable" with the economy. I heard Chelsea Clinton talk today at Marquette University, and she did a brilliant job explaining her mothers universal health care plan. One thing i've worried is i don't know where Obama stands on a lot of the issues...

**LawMan018** · 02-12-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by qualityclrk1

Though i'm still a huge supporter of Ron Paul, i feel as if i need to look into whose going to be running my country in the next few months...Anybody voting for barack, or voting against him- and why?...i read this on cbsnews.com and it reminded me a lot of why i started to support Paul in the first place. [His approach to politics, articulated in The Speech, is to look for common ground: "There's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America. ...The pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States… But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states…."] So if it comes down to it, i'll probably go Obama over clinton- even though she does make me feel more "comfortable" with the economy. I heard Chelsea Clinton talk today at Marquette University, and she did a brilliant job explaining her mothers universal health care plan. One thing i've worried is i don't know where Obama stands on a lot of the issues...

I'm with you, I know Ron Paul doesn't have a chance which I think is very sad seeing as how so many Americans know nothing about the guy... But I'm going to vote for Barack when the time comes...

**Voice of Reason** · 02-12-2008, 02:40 AM

Barack, Hussein, Obama, = Iraq, Hussein (Saddam), Osama (bin Laden).

Yeh... think about it, kinda makes you wonder...

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_laden

LOL!!!

**spywizard** · 02-12-2008, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Barack, Hussein, Obama, = Iraq, Hussein (Saddam), Osama (bin Laden).

Yeh... think about it, kinda makes you wonder...

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_laden

LOL!!!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

**goodcents** · 02-12-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Barack, Hussein, Obama, = Iraq, Hussein (Saddam), Osama (bin Laden).

Yeh... think about it, kinda makes you wonder..

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_laden

LOL!!!

And that's all I'm going to say

**xero** · 02-12-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Barack, Hussein, Obama, = Iraq, Hussein (Saddam), Osama (bin Laden).

Yeh... think about it, kinda makes you wonder...

No....not really.

**darkseed** · 02-12-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Barack, Hussein, Obama, = Iraq, Hussein (Saddam), Osama (bin Laden).

Yeh... think about it, kinda makes you wonder...

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_laden

LOL!!!

here we go with this shyt again. the comparison of names....regardless of the person's name, what can they do for this country? i could care less who the hell wins as long as our current president hurries up and gets the hell outta the office.

**BITTAPART2** · 02-12-2008, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Barack, Hussein, Obama, = Iraq, Hussein (Saddam), Osama (bin Laden).

Yeh... think about it, kinda makes you wonder...

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_laden

LOL!!!

and your the voice of reason? makes me wonder why you would pick a name like that when you are not eludung to anything reasonable.

I think this election will come down to single issue voters, then we can only hope the election isnt a farse like when Jeb Bush sent his brother into office to screw up our country while Al Gore gets the Nobel peace prize!! LMAO

anyway, I will go Obama because polls show that hilary/mcain mcain has the edge...obama/mcain Obama has the edge. And we dont need someone in office who thinks being in Iraq for another 100 years is going to bode well for diplomacy and anti-amrican sentimant across the world. So my single issue is Iraq followed very very closely to the economy, both of which GWbush ruined. I believe Hillary lost me on her acceptance of the Iraq invasion and her willingness to stay even longer. She would be great for the econmy because I am feeling Bill back in the white house. But I gotta go with bringing my troops back home on this one. and no Im an independant not a liberal

**darkseed** · 02-12-2008, 10:59 AM

why is it that theres almost always an idiot that has about 95% of the say so in this country??

**Carlos_E** · 02-12-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by qualityclrk1

One thing i've worried is i don't know where Obama stands on a lot of the issues...

Do some reading man. All of his information is here.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

**darkseed** · 02-12-2008, 12:52 PM

no shit!! if some people would just read the man's book...he puts it ALL out there for the public to see.

**SMCengineer** · 02-12-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by BITTAPART2

and your the voice of reason? makes me wonder why you would pick a name like that when you are not eludung to anything reasonable.

I think this election will come down to single issue voters, then we can only hope the election isnt a farse like when Jeb Bush sent his brother into office to screw up our country while Al Gore gets the Nobel peace prize!! LMAO

anyway, I will go Obama because polls show that hilary/mcain mcain has the edge...obama/mcain Obama has the edge. And we dont need someone in office who thinks being in Iraq for another 100 years is going to bode well for diplomacy and anti-amrican sentimant across the world. So my single issue is Iraq followed very very closely to the economy, both of which GWbush ruined. I believe Hillary lost me on her acceptance of the Iraq invasion and her willingness to stay even longer. She would be great for the econmy because I am feeling Bill back in the white house. But I gotta go with bringing my troops back home on this one. and no Im an independant not a liberal

The Iraq war and the economy are NOT two seperate entities and Americans need to stop thinking they are. The war and the economy are tightly intertwined. BITTAPART2, this is not directed at you just people in general.

**Bren** · 02-12-2008, 02:52 PM

Iraq, fossil fuels, war, global warming, cancer, death, taxes? i am going to move to the mountains and live off the land.,

**firmechicano831** · 02-12-2008, 03:19 PM

I watched the California debate between Obama and Clinton. After hearing them both answer the questions the panel asked, I belive that Obama is the right person to lead our country for the next 4 years to follow.

**green22** · 02-12-2008, 10:04 PM

Obama is passionate, motiviational, inspiring, and not an old fart. He is a fresh face with new ideas and I truly believe he would be great for this country and well as for our relationships with other counrties of the world. Bush's non-recognition policy is BS and with Obama we can kiss that shit goodby.
also:
He is NOT muslim, and never has been. he goes to a church of christ in Chicago
He salutes the flag,
he was NOT sworn in on the Koran.
He got his name from his father, who left him when he was 2. Its not his fault his dad was a dead beat. We all know dead beat dads dont we??
He is a proud American who has worked his ass off to get where he is today.
And there is a damn good chance he is gonna be our next president!!!!
Go Obama!!!!!!!

**Carlos_E** · 02-12-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by green22

Obama is passionate, motiviational, inspiring, and not an old fart. He is a fresh face with new ideas and I truly believe he would be great for this country and well as for our relationships with other counrties of the world. Bush's non-recognition policy is BS and with Obama we can kiss that shit goodby.
also:
He is NOT muslim, and never has been. he goes to a church of christ in Chicago
He salutes the flag,
he was NOT sworn in on the Koran.
He got his name from his father, who left him when he was 2. Its not his fault his dad was a dead beat. We all know dead beat dads dont we??
He is a proud American who has worked his ass off to get where he is today.
And there is a damn good chance he is gonna be our next president!!!!
Go Obama!!!!!!!

In the past week he has swept Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington State, Virgin Islands, DC, Virginia and Maryland.

**soccer#3** · 02-12-2008, 10:12 PM

he's leading hillary by 88 delegates as of right now

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/?GT1=10856

**MotoXracer** · 02-12-2008, 10:19 PM

http://online.wsj.com/public/page/8_...tid=1414665553

**bigt10** · 02-12-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by green22

Obama is passionate, motiviational, inspiring, and not an old fart. He is a fresh face with new ideas and I truly believe he would be great for this country and well as for our relationships with other counrties of the world. Bush's non-recognition policy is BS and with Obama we can kiss that shit goodby.
also:
He is NOT muslim, and never has been. he goes to a church of christ in Chicago
He salutes the flag,
he was NOT sworn in on the Koran.
He got his name from his father, who left him when he was 2. Its not his fault his dad was a dead beat. We all know dead beat dads dont we??
He is a proud American who has worked his ass off to get where he is today.
And there is a damn good chance he is gonna be our next president!!!!
Go Obama!!!!!!!

I dont see how this works where is the money going to come from.

**bigt10** · 02-12-2008, 10:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVKSfwfy0h8

watch this when it says what hes going to do and as it lists them it almost makes me in cry in tears. ill list them for you.

-bring the troops home
-abolish the irs
-cut spending
-end the failed war on drugs
-dismantle the federal reserve.

**bigt10** · 02-12-2008, 11:03 PM

its nice to talk about all the nice stuff.

and as ron paul said again, it doesnt matter about democrat or republic, or women, or race, or gender.

We are given rights in our consitution as PEOPLE not men, women, blacks, whites, etc.

what should really matter is what one is willing to do for AMERICA.

ron paul could have 3 eyes and 6 fingers it wouldnt change anything.

also read up, years ago the people behind the federal reserve movement including the JP Morgan interests went and they bought up some 25 news papers and news networks responsible for controlling the news of this country. i wonder why a politician who doesn't like the IRS or the federal reserve or wasting money over seas doesn't get on tv or in our papers.

also look what muirlionninja posted and who is finacing the other candidates. not a single one sponsored ron paul.

"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press... They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers... An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers. — U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917""

**firmechicano831** · 02-12-2008, 11:04 PM

Many of the things he mentioned are impossible to do. He would probably be murdered by our own goverment. We could only fix one thing at a time, alot of people have great ideas for this country but don't have any followers.

**bigt10** · 02-12-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by firmechicano831

Many of the things he mentioned are impossible to do. He would probably be murdered by our own goverment. We could only fix one thing at a time, alot of people have great ideas for this country but don't have any followers.

exactly but i wish people realized.

so again what are these other leaders willing to do. i never hear them talk about thier policies on our big problems.

does someone have a site that lists the major points they want to do.

gosh where am i going to run when we have a North American Union.

**Pooks** · 02-13-2008, 02:46 AM

He is for welfare systems, and taxing and all that stuff. as a Single guy in my mid 20's who make a good living..that does not nothing for me.

I'm voting McCain, hopefully lower taxes, means more left in my pocket to plan out my future.

No offense to single moms out there, and people with 6 kidz, or old people looking to get free healtcare from the democrats.. but sorry paying for you people don't make sense to me hehe

also more liberty and freedom of individuality and entrepreneurship.. instead of becoming the federalist party's cookie cutout of the average middle class 40 hour a week man.

**Carlos_E** · 02-13-2008, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by bigt10

does someone have a site that lists the major points they want to do.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

**Carlos_E** · 02-13-2008, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Pooks

He is for welfare systems, and taxing and all that stuff. as a Single guy in my mid 20's who make a good living..that does not nothing for me.

I'm voting McCain, hopefully lower taxes, means more left in my pocket to plan out my future.

No offense to single moms out there, and people with 6 kidz, or old people looking to get free healtcare from the democrats.. but sorry paying for you people don't make sense to me hehe

also more liberty and freedom of individuality and entrepreneurship.. instead of becoming the federalist party's cookie cutout of the average middle class 40 hour a week man.

Voting for McCain? I guess you don't mind being at war for another 100 years. McCain is just more of Bush. More of the same. He won't get my vote.

**BITTAPART2** · 02-13-2008, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by bigt10

god dam no diss bro but this what is pissing me off.

we talk about ron paul we talk about fixing corruption, stop wasting money, fixing our economy.

it seems like everyone else wants to talk about everything else that matters.

since i didnt care about anyone else what does barrack obama plan to do worth while for this country?

Also is he just another big spender that wants to print more money to pay his bills.

It seems like ron paul was the only one who knew what to do.

it was like a dream come true, stop wasting money, re duce government size, stop policing the world, get rid of the IRS and an income tax, hold some accountability to the federal reserve and gradually phase it out. once we can stop the corruption we can fix others.

to me it seems everyone else just wants to spend more money everywhere. God dam people it isnt hard when this nation is accumlating trillions in debt. as paul said himself u cant keep borrowing and printing money, and eventually you will have to pay it back.

yeah he oes make very good points, it just could never get done with the house and senate bro, thats all.

**Pooks** · 02-13-2008, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

Voting for McCain? I guess you don't mind being at war for another 100 years. McCain is just more of Bush. More of the same. He won't get my vote.

We're winning the war now, and to the victor go the spoils..

We were not involved in the middle east before, and it let to the crisis of 1979 ( i think, wasn't born yet hehe?)

when at will other nations cut the supply of oil to us.

We'll have a friendly government in Iraq to ensure that does not happen again.

**darkseed** · 02-13-2008, 09:40 AM

Pooks...we are not winning the war by a long shot. what would make you think such a thing? you cant defeat a people that are willing and ready to die for a cause. the american mind set isnt anything like that. this war isnt about a winner and a loser.....

**Pooks** · 02-13-2008, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by darkseed

Pooks...we are not winning the war by a long shot. what would make you think such a thing? you cant defeat a people that are willing and ready to die for a cause. the american mind set isnt anything like that. this war isnt about a winner and a loser.....

Ever since the surge (which i was doubtful about as well) I was very anti-war last summer... but the surge seems to have worked..

Casualties in our professional forces are way down. The different factions in Iraq are not battling each other anymore, but instead are working together against what remains of the Al-Quada in Iraq.

We've had Europe occupied since "liberation" in 1945, and they are not complaining... we can do the same with Iraq, now after "liberating" it, it is starting to come together.

**darkseed** · 02-13-2008, 09:56 AM

it would be the biggest mistake to build a base in the middle east. thats just a place we DO NOT need to be in on a regular basis. those folks were fighting before America was founded and the will be fighting well after we are dead and gone. i was always taught that if it doesnt pertain to you then stay the hell out of it. we've been over there how long now?? and ya boy Bin Laden is still on the loose. thats what pisses me off. instead of finding Bin Ladens ass we went over there to fucc with Sadam.....who had nothing to do with 9/11!!!!

**BITTAPART2** · 02-13-2008, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Pooks

Ever since the surge (which i was doubtful about as well) I was very anti-war last summer... but the surge seems to have worked..

Casualties in our professional forces are way down. The different factions in Iraq are not battling each other anymore, but instead are working together against what remains of the Al-Quada in Iraq.

We've had Europe occupied since "liberation" in 1945, and they are not complaining... we can do the same with Iraq, now after "liberating" it, it is starting to come together.

LMFAO, the surge is working we are winning? do you really believe this crap your president tells you bro, this has been a bloody year and is the surge going to be constant? because put yourself in this predicamant.............

the US gets invaded because our president is killing thousands of innocen tpeople (like saddam did as well and GWB is doing it know) now you have a foreign army in your country,neighborhood,hospitols etc, youll probably take up arms right? I would. When will it stop? when all of us die? or will our children learn to fight them away from their country as well, you cannot defeat insurgents of their own country period! maybe an island like aruba or something but not a country. you cannot outlast an insurgance by a countries people, it doesnt ever end, so i hope you understand that this "surge" has to last forever then until the iraqis are all gone.

**Pooks** · 02-13-2008, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by BITTAPART2

LMFAO, the surge is working we are winning? do you really believe this crap your president tells you bro, this has been a bloody year and is the surge going to be constant? because put yourself in this predicamant.............

the US gets invaded because our president is killing thousands of innocen tpeople (like saddam did as well and GWB is doing it know) now you have a foreign army in your country,neighborhood,hospitols etc, youll probably take up arms right? I would. When will it stop? when all of us die? or will our children learn to fight them away from their country as well, you cannot defeat insurgents of their own country period! maybe an island like aruba or something but not a country. you cannot outlast an insurgance by a countries people, it doesnt ever end, so i hope you understand that this "surge" has to last forever then until the iraqis are all gone.

eh...
we wont be in there forever, we will start phasing out..

eventually just leaving a minimal force like the force in Germany, or Japan right now.

Iraqis have already started learning how to use us as an Advantage not a Disadvantage.

As long as we keep being their number 1 customer, when it comes to anything Iraq has to offer.. oil, n other stuff.. they'll be alright..

It would actually be foolish to get out of there hasty now.

plus you also have to be wary of Russian and Chinese interest in the Middle-east.

Right now we control the Seas, the Air, and vital spots all around the world, we've been doing this since 1945, virtually taking over after the collapse of the British Empire after ww2.. thats why we are who we are, and we are doing so good as a country,even now during a 'reccession'.

**goodcents** · 02-13-2008, 10:20 AM

wow, I think we are pretty well fuked no matter who gets in there

obama
hillary
mccain
yeah

They should just let them all take turns being president, it's a fuking joke any way

"it's all the same, only the names have changed"

**darkseed** · 02-13-2008, 10:21 AM

i remember what Bush did when he first got into office....because i was in the air force at the time. within 1 month of him being in office he gave the entire armed forces a pay raise!! people were saying that GWB just might be a cool dude.....NOT!!! he was doing nothing but fattening us up for the kill. alot of us back then were suckered into reenlisting and all that shyt.....i wasnt fooled. i did my four years and got the hell out cause i knew what was coming. the Bush's are a family thats obsessed with WAR. i love living in this country but i would on die for this country under the right circumstances....ya feel me??

**goodcents** · 02-13-2008, 10:24 AM

All heil hillary

All heil hussien

Reminds me of south park the movie when hussien said" yeah bend over, you're all really fuked now"

**BITTAPART2** · 02-13-2008, 10:26 AM

are you doing good in this recession? cause my business has reported its first revenue drop in 7 years and the customer base has increased by over 12% the past year, so how am I the american doing good? My health care premium just went up because, what do you know i got sick too many times last year (stupid me). as for what position we are in now controling the wrold pretty much, THAT IS WHY THEY DONT LIKE US, it isnt over shadowed by our thirst for oil bro trust me, Chinas demand alone is greater than ours not to mention Russias wilingness to get into some as well. The real "terrorists" would love to see America without oil/food/medicine etc, more than they want money..if it was money Osama woul stay home with his daddy and live off of his billions, rather he choses a friggin cave, so yeah Im not thinking he cares much about that.

**xero** · 02-13-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Pooks

We're winning the war now, and to the victor go the spoils..

You have got to be kidding....no one is winning that war and no one ever will. More Americans and Iraqi citizens are dying now than ever before.....for one mans ego and for his pals financial gain.

**goodcents** · 02-13-2008, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by BITTAPART2

are you doing good in this recession? cause my business has reported its first revenue drop in 7 years and the customer base has increased by over 12% the past year, so how am I the american doing good? My health care premium just went up because, what do you know i got sick too many times last year (stupid me). as for what position we are in now controling the wrold pretty much, THAT IS WHY THEY DONT LIKE US, it isnt over shadowed by our thirst for oil bro trust me, Chinas demand alone is greater than ours not to mention Russias wilingness to get into some as well. The real "terrorists" would love to see America without oil/food/medicine etc, more than they want money..if it was money Osama woul stay home with his daddy and live off of his billions, rather he choses a friggin cave, so yeah Im not thinking he cares much about that.

He's in saudi arabia in some family members estate, he's not in no cave

He just does photo ops

Do you know how cold a cave is?

**green22** · 02-13-2008, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by darkseed

i remember what Bush did when he first got into office....because i was in the air force at the time. within 1 month of him being in office he gave the entire armed forces a pay raise!! people were saying that GWB just might be a cool dude.....NOT!!! he was doing nothing but fattening us up for the kill. alot of us back then were suckered into reenlisting and all that shyt.....i wasnt fooled. i did my four years and got the hell out cause i knew what was coming. the Bush's are a family thats obsessed with WAR. i love living in this country but i would on die for this country under the right circumstances....ya feel me??

yup, and McCain will keep us in Iraq and probably in a conflict with Iran. Whats our death tol up to now 4000????????? "Mission Accomplished" give me a ****in break. Its no damn wander we are hated throughout the world. For the last 8 years we aint been nothing but a bunch of bullies.
I could go on and on about how this admistration has ****ed the american people but I not typing for that long