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02-25-2009, 05:18 PM #201
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02-25-2009, 07:23 PM #202
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02-25-2009, 09:49 PM #203
No I did not. I found it highly offensive. Our religion teaches us not to revile any of God's Prophets. In addition, we are told not to revile any of the gods, prophets, religious symbols, etc. of people of other faiths. This is a common courtesy and part of human decency.
In any case, I have replied in the Ask a Muslim thread.Last edited by BuffedGuy; 02-25-2009 at 09:54 PM.
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02-26-2009, 08:33 AM #204
Ok ill be sure to check that one out.. PPPHHHHH yeah right.
Bottom line point f-ing blank is you guys are causing alot of the worlds problems now with ur little faggy terror cells everywhere and ur 1980's ShoulderCam recording quality vids showing ur firing off a few rounds of rusty AK-47's and showing vids of home-made Habeeb IEDs killing American troops, "the Infadels", all while chanting "Allahu Akbar, Alluah Akbar" (God is Great, God is Great), My God dosent teach me to kill sorry that a big no-no. But of course ur gonna have a justification for that too, that these are "extremeists" and we are "peaceful" muslims. Says right in the Koran kill all Christians and Jews, I swear I saw it on a expose special on Al-Jazeera one night.. the same night I ordered Girls Gone Wild Arab Edition with Wet Burka contests!! good shyt ill send u a copy, whats ur addy in Dar ad-Dawah??
im messin around man lets all get along =)Last edited by Panzerfaust80; 02-26-2009 at 08:51 AM.
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02-26-2009, 08:39 AM #205
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02-26-2009, 08:40 AM #206
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02-26-2009, 08:48 AM #207
Al-Qaeda is probably gonna start using cute little bunnies with IED's inside them..
Wait, are bunnies in the Middle East? I dont think i ever recall seeing a "Middle-Eastern" bunny... they're too white to be over there... I dunno.. if anyone has a pic of a bunny of middle eastern decent please post...
I found some ducks of the same thou.. the perps that brought the plane down few weeks back! BUSTED! another al-qaeda terror plot!
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02-26-2009, 08:54 AM #208
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02-26-2009, 08:55 AM #209
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02-26-2009, 08:56 AM #210
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LOL...Girls Gone Wild, Arab Edition.
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I think this thread has lived past its time...
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02-26-2009, 10:22 AM #213
^^^agreed x 10
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02-26-2009, 03:15 PM #214
For hundreds of years, it was the Christians who colonized the world, subjugating the people under colonial rule. Almost no inch of the globe was spared. And all of this was done with religious sanction and encouragement. Would you, in your esteemed opinion, say that a Non-Christian living just a hundred years ago, would be justified in saying: "All of the world's problems are caused by the Christian white man"? Surely, the level of oppression then--at the hands of the "Christian white man"--was greater than what Al-Qaeda does today (quite simply because Al-Qaeda does not have the capability). Yet, if you feel that it would be hasty to make such a summary judgment of Christianity based on the actions of a few back then, surely then--just to stay consistent--we should extend the same courtesy to Islam and the Muslims.
But verily, bigots always use grave double standards to justify their belief of superiority.
You are from Germany. During World War II, would it be justified to hate all Germans and say things like "all the world's problems are due to Germans"? After all, was it not Germans who killed six million Jews, a number that Al-Qaeda could come nowhere close to. If Islam is a bane on society since Al-Qaeda kills a few thousand people, then is not Christianity or Germany a greater bane since it killed millions? (Obviously, I disagree with this, but I am just trying to get YOU to stay consistent.)
My God dosent teach me to kill sorry that a big no-no.
But of course ur gonna have a justification for that too,
Of course, there is no justification for 9/11 and other dastardly acts. However, as Dr. Ron Paul said: there are reasons for them, namely America's foreign policy. Doesn't make what Al-Qaeda did right or acceptable in the least, but it does show that there is shared blame.
that these are "extremeists" and we are "peaceful" muslims.
Says right in the Koran kill all Christians and Jews, I swear I saw it on a expose special on Al-Jazeera one night..
im messin around man lets all get along =)Last edited by BuffedGuy; 02-26-2009 at 03:28 PM.
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02-26-2009, 03:28 PM #215
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02-26-2009, 03:30 PM #216
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02-26-2009, 03:33 PM #217
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02-26-2009, 03:35 PM #218
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02-26-2009, 03:37 PM #219
did someone say chocolate cake????????????
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02-26-2009, 03:48 PM #220
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02-26-2009, 04:16 PM #221
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02-26-2009, 04:46 PM #222
[QUOTE=Panzerfaust80;4461443]Al-Qaeda is probably gonna start using cute little bunnies with IED's inside them..
Wait, are bunnies in the Middle East? I dont think i ever recall seeing a "Middle-Eastern" bunny... they're too white to be over there... I dunno.. if anyone has a pic of a bunny of middle eastern decent please post...
I found some ducks of the same thou.. the perps that brought the plane down few weeks back! BUSTED! another al-qaeda terror plot!
you are one hell of a biggot, racist, illiterate kid. you need to grow up and find something else to do or talk about.
for the last time as a warning stop bringing ur bxxxlxxxshxxt to this forum we don't need it and nobody wants to hear it.
as for the bunnies, ur people exterminated them before they made it to the middle east.
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02-26-2009, 04:46 PM #223
Chocolate cake sucks...it's so...chocolate.
White is right!
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02-26-2009, 05:19 PM #224
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02-26-2009, 06:46 PM #225
Shut your mouth about Christians already, you always try
to badmouth Christians with lies in a very muslim racist way,
and you do it in a way that is deciving because you are good
with words. Yes many hundreds of years ago Christians did
do bad things such as killing in the name of religion, but guess
what? The WHOLE world was less civilized in those ages,
and people did not know better, HOWEVER that was back then.
In todays modern world muslims are the only religion that still
has this behavior and kills in the name of allah!
Doesn't make what Al-Qaeda did right or acceptable in the least, but it does show that there is shared blame.
who kills or wants to kill "infidels", far from it.
Nowhere in the Quran does it say to kill all Christians and Jews
KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection
KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Ya mohammed was real peaceful
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02-26-2009, 06:54 PM #226
the cake when into someone face
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02-26-2009, 07:40 PM #227
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02-26-2009, 07:42 PM #228
did somebody say CHEESE???
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02-26-2009, 07:51 PM #229
LMfao
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02-26-2009, 07:57 PM #230
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02-26-2009, 09:17 PM #231
I was very clear in my wording. My entire point was that it would be wrong to demonize *all* Christians for the actions of a *few*. If I had actually wanted to demonize Christians--or Christianity--then I would *not* have specifically said that these were actions of a few. My words exactly were:
it would be hasty to make such a summary judgment of Christianity based on the actions of a few back thenIn fact, if my purpose was what you said it was, then my entire analogy would not work, hehe. If that had been my intention, then it would be 100% correct (and consistent) for Panzerfaust to condemn all of the Muslims for the actions of some Muslims. Yet, that was *not* my intention. Just use your brain for a second.
But just to be perfectly clear--so that there is no room for doubt about my views on the issue--I will say: I think that the religion of Christianity is one of peace and love. The actions of the colonialists were not at all in accordance to the Christian doctrines, and indeed, they were a perversion of it. Christianity teaches to love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, and do onto others as you wish to be done unto yourself. Any person--be he of any religion or creed--who tries to stereotype Christianity or Christians as violent people is wrong to do so.
Is it clear for you now where I stand on Christianity?
So there is no concordance at all between you and I. I think your religion is a peaceful, loving one, whereas you keep accusing me of following a religion of violence and killing, no matter how much I tell you that this is not the case. I respect your religion, whereas you bash and insult mine. Therefore, please stop justifying your bigotry to yourself.
You see, unlike you, I know that for every Christian that is like you (NightWolf), there are Christians like Derek. I don't let my anger towards you (NightWolf) cause me to do injustice to Derek or his religious belief which he holds dear. That is the difference between you and I.
Yes many hundreds of years ago Christians did
do bad things such as killing in the name of religion, but guess
what?
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."Should we now--by your logic--condemn all of Christianity--and all Christians--for the actions of the neoconservative Christians in America who war-monger, continuing in the legacy of colonialism of their forefathers?
source: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...terwisdom.html
I will let you in on a littel secret.. Al-Qaeda are NOT the only muslims
who kills or wants to kill "infidels", far from it.
Oh really? here are some qutoes i found from the quran:[/B]
KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection
KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Ya mohammed was real peaceful
The Quran definitely says to fight armed soldiers who run people out of their homes, oppress in the land, etc. (Of course, it also says to incline towards peace if they incline towards peace.) But nowhere in the Quran--or in the words of Prophet Muhammad [s]--will you find sanction to kill non-combatants such as women and children. Yet, we find such a thing in the Bible, where the killing of women and children from the "infidels" is sanctioned in the Name of God:
"Utterly slay old men, young men, maidens, little children, and women." (Ezekial, 9:6)In fact, I was half-tempted to fool a Christian bigot like yourself that this verse was from the Quran--not the Bible. Then you would be using this verse to bash Islam, haha. Here is another verse in a similar vein:
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves all the Virgins." (Numbers 31:17-18)In the Bible, it is said that entire cities are to be "put to the sword" since they worshiped other gods; in other words, they were "infidels". The Bible reads:
"You may hear that these people have been saying, 'Let's worship other gods.' (Those gods may be gods you've never heard of.) Then you shall investigate and search out and inquire thoroughly. If it is true and the matter established that this abomination has been done among you, you must surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it and all that is in it and its cattle with the edge of the sword. Then you shall gather all its booty into the middle of its open square and burn the city and all its booty with fire as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God; and it shall be a ruin forever. It shall never be rebuilt." (Deuteronomy 13:13-16)
Should I now taunt you and say "maybe that is where Ann Coulter got the idea from?" Or what caused Pope Nicholas V to say:
"[We should] invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens (Muslims) and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ where so ever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery."Other verses of the Bible say:
(Nicholas V, Papal Bull Romanus Pontifex, 1/8/1455)
"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:16)
"Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour." (Exodus 32:27)
I could go on, but I think I've established what I wished to establish.
As for the verses you quoted from the Quran, let's look at them individually...the first one was as follows:
KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
"... The Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. These are the words of their own mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before them; God fights them! How they are deluded away from the truth." (Quran, 9:30)
The next verse you quoted was:
KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection
The Unofficial "Ask a Muslim" Thread.
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[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
It is for this reason that a Muslim woman may not marry a Non-Muslim man, since the Quran describes the men as "awliyah" (protectors) over women. The wife would be at the mercy of the Non-Muslim husband, who may forbid her from going to the mosque, prayers, fasting, etc., due to the fact that he is stronger and she is weaker. However, Islam allows a man to marry a Non-Muslim woman, because he is the awliyah (protector) over her, not the other way around. She is at his mercy, not the other way around. She cannot use her force to prevent him from the mosque or other religious duties. Hence, it is permissible.
Prophet Muhammad's good friend and uncle, Abu Talib, was a Non-Muslim who never converted to Islam. It is permissible for Muslims to take Non-Muslims as friends, only so long as it is on an equal footing.
Ibn Katheer, the classical Islamic scholar (who lived over a thousand years ago and hence cannot be accused of revisionism), said:
"God's statement...refers to the idolators and the disbelievers who are combatants against God, His Messenger and the believers. It is they whom Allah has decided should be our enemies and should be fought. God has forbidden the believers to take them as friends, supporters or companions." (Tafseer Ibn Katheer)
Now, let's read the entire Quranic passage which explains this issue...I will reproduce the whole thing and bold the relevant parts:
O you who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as protectors, offering them your love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have on the contrary driven out the Prophet and yourselves from your homes, simply because you believe in God your Lord!
If you have come out to strive in My Way and to seek My Good Pleasure, take them not as protectors, do not show love to them in secret: for I know full well all that you conceal and all that you reveal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path.
If they have the upper hand of you, they will be your foes, and will stretch out their hands and their tongues toward you with evil intent, and they long for you to disbelieve. Your ties of kindred and your children will avail you naught upon the Day of Resurrection. He will judge between you, for God sees all that you do!
There is for you an excellent example in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: 'We are clear of you and of whatever you worship besides God: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever, unless you believe in God and Him alone.'
Save that which Abraham said to his father: 'I would certainly ask forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from God, Our Lord! On You do we rely, and to You do we turn, and to You is the eventual coming. Make us not a trial for the disbelievers, but forgive us, our Lord! for You are the Exalted in Might, the Wise.'
There was indeed in them an excellent example for you to follow,- for those whose hope is in God and in the Last Day. But if any turn away, truly God is Free of all Wants, Worthy of all Praise.
It may be that God will grant love and friendship between you and those whom you now hold as enemies. For God has power over all things; And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
God forbids you not--with regard to those who do not fight you for your Faith nor drive you out of your homes--from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just.
God only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection. It is such as turn to them that do wrong!
(Quran, 60:1-9)
To top it off, the Quran says:
"You will find the nearest in love and friendship to the believers to be those who say 'We are Christians.' That is because among them are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world; and they are not arrogant." (Quran, 5:83)
The Quranic attitude towards the People of the Book can be summarized here:"Do not argue with the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), except in the kindest manner--aside from those of them who inflict injury upon you--and say: 'We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we submit." (Quran, 29:46)So the general rule is to deal with the People of the Book with kindness and mercy; the exception is those who drive us out of homes, kill us for our religion, and the like.
To finish you off in debate, the irony is that you quoted a verse of the Quran that--according to you--forbids Muslims from taking Non-Muslims as friends. And yet, your own Bible says something very similar:
"Do not be bound together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14)And interestingly enough, the Christian explanations for this verse--namely that only unequal relationships are forbidden (not equal ones)--are pretty much exactly similar to the ones I have given for the Quranic verse! See your hypocrisy and idiocy?
As a final disclaimer: I have never on this site ever produced Biblical verses to bash Christianity. Rather, I simply brought them up here to bring some perspective and prove my thesis: namely that many of our Christian cousins are guilty of throwing stones from a glass house. As Jesus [as] says in the Bible, take out the splinter in your own eye before pointing out a splinter in the eye of your brother.
I also want to clarify that although I did reproduce some verses from the Bible, I am not at all contending that Christianity is a violent religion. I have already clarified my view on Christianity, and believe it to be a religion of love. Again, it was just to show the double-standard by which some Christians today unfortunately condemn Islam for some things, not knowing what is in their own books. I also understand that there must be Christian understandings and interpretations of said verses which clarify the issue. But if a Christian doesn't take a Biblical verse quoted at random as indicative of the violent nature of his faith, then he should extend the same courtesy to Islam and the Quran. This was my purpose and I apologize to those Christians who were upset by what I quoted, but there was no other way to make the point clear.
Lastly, I think that religious texts in general should be understood in their proper context. And we should have an academic and intellectual understanding of religious texts in general. I do not condone a sophomoric view of the Bible, where people take out verses and say 'look how horrible this book is.' Historical and religious documents are not to be understood in that fashion, and no credible scholar or academic intellectual does such a thing. One should always have a nuanced view of things. The issue here was not to prove the thesis that the Bible preaches violence, only that if one were to read the Bible in the same way that the Islamophobes read the Quran, it would indeed seem violent. If, however, one chooses to have a more mature reading of the Bible, which one should, then fairness dictates that the Quran also be read in such a manner. In other words, use the same lens to read the Bible as you do to read the Quran, and vice/versa.
In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.Last edited by BuffedGuy; 02-26-2009 at 10:25 PM.
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02-26-2009, 10:30 PM #232
Go nighty, its ya birthday, go nighty, its ya birthday...
good shyt meng, good shyt.. let'm have it bro....
O and to the other guy who called me illiterate, I thought my oral skills have been displayed quite nicely throughout this forum... so there
O wait did I just say that??? err it didnt come out quite right
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02-26-2009, 10:34 PM #233
you said you were good orally...........LOLOLOL do you swallow???
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02-26-2009, 10:36 PM #234
oh btw Allah just phoned me and he said BuffedGuy shall be henceforth be referred to as the Prophet Buffed
if anyone has a problem with this holy designation please take it up with the AR
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02-26-2009, 10:40 PM #235
wow BuffGuy that was so much info you wrote I just completly scrolled down from it lol just kidding
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02-27-2009, 01:31 AM #236"Utterly slay old men, young men, maidens, little children, and women." (Ezekial, 9:6)
In fact, I was half-tempted to fool a Christian bigot like yourself that this verse was from the Quran--not the Bible. Then you would be using this verse to bash Islam, haha. Here is another verse in a similar vein:
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves all the Virgins." (Numbers 31:17-18)
In the Bible, it is said that entire cities are to be "put to the sword" since they worshiped other gods; in other words, they were "infidels". The Bible reads:
"You may hear that these people have been saying, 'Let's worship other gods.' (Those gods may be gods you've never heard of.) Then you shall investigate and search out and inquire thoroughly. If it is true and the matter established that this abomination has been done among you, you must surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it and all that is in it and its cattle with the edge of the sword. Then you shall gather all its booty into the middle of its open square and burn the city and all its booty with fire as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God; and it shall be a ruin forever. It shall never be rebuilt." (Deuteronomy 13:13-16)
way to go haters, way to go.
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02-27-2009, 01:36 AM #237
innocent people would not be a good choice of words... if they were innocent they would not be sentenced to death... tuff stuff i agree - we now live in the time of grace (as a christian) - good thing cause if we were not in grace i can imagine how much punshiment would be handed out in these days
whats up charrif??? dont get to hear from you much... night bro!
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02-27-2009, 01:38 AM #238
(qoute from buffed)"Utterly slay old men, young men, maidens, little children, and women." (Ezekial, 9:6)
In fact, I was half-tempted to fool a Christian bigot like yourself that this verse was from the Quran--not the Bible. Then you would be using this verse to bash Islam, haha. Here is another verse in a similar vein:
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves all the Virgins." (Numbers 31:17-18)
In the Bible, it is said that entire cities are to be "put to the sword" since they worshiped other gods; in other words, they were "infidels". The Bible reads:
"You may hear that these people have been saying, 'Let's worship other gods.' (Those gods may be gods you've never heard of.) Then you shall investigate and search out and inquire thoroughly. If it is true and the matter established that this abomination has been done among you, you must surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it and all that is in it and its cattle with the edge of the sword. Then you shall gather all its booty into the middle of its open square and burn the city and all its booty with fire as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God; and it shall be a ruin forever. It shall never be rebuilt." (Deuteronomy 13:13-16)(qoute)
buffed... what was the importance of this??? not flaming just asking?
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02-27-2009, 02:22 AM #239
amacon, how u doing old fellow.
I just been busy lately with work and school.
in the otherhand, some people in this site are full of hate and eager to revile others religion without having any principal or knowing how to communicate or debate, they are verily and literally like parrots. they often repeat them selves, they bring garbage stuff form the internet and try to spread it in here like their venom, without even looking at the facts or understanding the time/when it happened. no matter how respectful you talk to these people it wont work its like adding gas to fire. they think you either don't know how to curse or you are scared of them but in reality you are just trying to be curteous and show them the truth. but they have ears that has corks in it no matter how hard you scream to make them hear your voice it wont penetrate it. its like what it says in the bible: Therefore speak I to them in parables; because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
However we still have some good people like you in this forum that prefer the intectual way rather than the bigot way, and that's what keeps it a cool site to be one of its members.
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02-27-2009, 02:31 AM #240
he was referring to this missinformation below:
KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection
KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
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