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05-16-2020, 11:43 PM #81Banned- I said my goodbyes.
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Buddy gave me a new OTF knife. This one is titanium and light as air.
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Don't Give Up Your Liberty !!
Again, What is the connection between who controls the military and the stimulus package put together by congress? I don't see how you would list that a good reason why, or a justification for the reason, a commander's in chief name would be on a check for a payment created by congress?
It's a distribution of our money that we paid in taxes. It is not this president's personal funds. His name should not be on it. We all know why it's on it. The insecure leader wants some unearned political capital from ignorant simpletons who see his name on the check and somehow think he has anything to do them receiving it. He has no inherent power to issue those checks. They came from congress. His action was just administrative in rubber stamping what congress did. If he tried to veto it, it would have been political suicide, everyone wanted it.
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05-17-2020, 08:18 AM #83
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05-17-2020, 08:46 AM #84
You don't see the bigger picture. It should read "The United States Federal Government," not Donald Trump. We didn't even vote for Trump, the bullshit republican-majority electoral college did, with their corrupt partitioning of district in their favor. He lost by around 3 million votes, but oh let me guess, it was all illegal aliens. Smh.
The problem is that Trump thinks he's a king, and a lot of people make him out to be one. This guy would give anything to be like Putin is in Russia. He's already destroyed the decency of public office and corrupted our government more than anyone in the last 100 years combined. What kind of president mocks half of the country that doesn't agree with him? He fired the guy that was responsible for signing off where the stimulus money goes to so that he can provide support to governors/states that support him and deny support to states that don't. How do you think he got away with the Russia collusion? He hired William Barr as the US Attorney General, a puppet yes-man, who read all the corruption discovered by the FBI/Robert Mueller and decided it's no big deal, lets move on. It was not Mueller's job to convict or blame anyone, he was hired to provide impartial facts, which he did. Then congress/Barr needed to do their job, and as usual, corrupt repubs don't do shit because they are money/power hungry assholes. He then refuses to release the findings and instead provides his own "redacted" version of lies. This guy will stop at no end to corrupt our government, trample the constitution, and label anyone with a brain that doesn't agree with him, "fake news" or whatever 2 syllable words his supporters can pronounce.
I keep getting spam texts from the Trump administration with lies trying to persuade my vote - I reply back "go fuck your mother." That's my response to our wonderful president.
Anyone, done with my rant, Fuck trump.
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05-17-2020, 09:01 AM #85BANNED
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thankfully for you, patriots shed their blood to give you your first ammendment rights and freedom os speech.. talking that way towards any other world leader, like if you were in China, Cuba, etc.. you would be being hung right now.
but of course most trump haters take their freedom for granted and have no clue what the rest of the world is like.
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05-17-2020, 09:08 AM #86BANNED
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05-17-2020, 09:56 AM #87
And patriots come in all shapes and sizes, and political beliefs, ideologies, etc. I'm not sure when Repubs took over that term, like only they can be patriots. A patriot to me is someone who believes and does things for the good of the country. Trump is bad for the country. Therefore, trump supporters are not patriots, imo.
I have 3 citizenships, grew up in a communist country. I KNOW what a dictator conman looks like. I grew up with my parents telling me stories from their childhoods and how things devolved. This is how it starts. A few more years of Trump and we could very well end up a dictatorship/pseudo-democracy like Russia. I mean, what more is there to say when Trump is buddies with the devil himself, Putin?
Trump is AGAINST freedom of speech. He verbally discussed shutting down news agencies that oppose him. If he could, he would have shut them down already. You want me to support that guy? You want me to be patriotic for that guy? I have no political affiliations and I'm not nationalistic or patriotic to any country. I am unbiased. I came here unbiased. Observing the right's use of the word "patriotic" to control and dilute real patriotism, is sickening. Now people could tell me to leave if I'm not happy, but guess what, I'm staying. I believe in freedom of speech, like anyone, but I have enough education and life experiences, having lived and traveled to dozens of countries, to know what's right and what's bullshit.
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05-17-2020, 10:00 AM #88
Ok.... some quotes
I don’t get the big picture....
We didn’t even vote for Trump...
I have a tendency to agree with GH. You talk like you know what you are talking about, but your clueless.
Please take some time to read about the election process and the purpose of the electoral college. You will learn quite a bit.
I’ll bet you had a different opinion when Obama was elected. It’s still the same
The big picture- of course I get it- you hate Trump and will use the little knowledge that you have to try and justify why he shouldn’t be President .
Oh- BTW- before you continue to look sillier.... look up the definition of commander in chief...... you will probably see “head of state”. Your argument above shows your lack of knowledge.
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05-17-2020, 10:12 AM #89BANNED
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"Believe". ??
millions of people in China "believe" in freedom of speech. but don't have it.. believing it means nothing.. fighting for it, shedding your blood and conducting wars and killing Tyrants is what we had to do to actually "SECURE" freedom of speech. it took action.. not belief.
faith (belief) without works/action is dead
rights generally need to be fought for , not simply believed in.
on a side note - personally, I'm not left wing or right wing. its all part of the same damn bird .. however, I'm going to be respectful to the position of "commander and chief" and whoever sits in that position. cause "we the people" are the ones that put him there (wither you personally voted for him or not, your just one small person.. but through the electoral college, the masses of 'we the people' as a whole put him in that position, so we should respect it ... by NOT respecting that position you are actually disrespecting "we the people' and not the president himself)
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05-17-2020, 10:49 AM #90BANNED
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the thing thats interesting about debating politics , is that everyone has a stance and opinion and they think they are right.. yet they have done ZERO research on anything.. they are just pulling their thoughts out of their ass.
imagine debating someone about topics around steroids .. imagine someone having opinions about Tren , Deca , etc.. AI's, ancillaries.. YET they never once even looked up a single profile of any of those drugs. they don't even know what they are . yet they have an "opinion" . lol how did they develop an opinion on any of these drugs if they never did even one ounce of research?
but with politics, thats ok.
just like with steroids or bodybuilding.. I like to do some research and develop an opinion based on that research.
for guys that want to debate politics.. at least do yourself some justice and read the constitution, read some American history and how this county was founded and what it was founded on.
sure I mainly study scienctific aspects of bodybuilding and AAS usage. but I try to keep myself well rounded enough, I'm going to read political books as well before I form an opinion out of thin air
pick up a book or two and do some reading .. don't form an opinion you pull out of your ass based on what you see in the fake news bullshit media.
think for yourself, form an opinion based on real historical research
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05-17-2020, 11:29 AM #91Banned
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Yup, and there are patriots from WW2, Korea and Vietnam that risked their asses for us and this country. And we are walking around with guns demanding freedom and liberty which will in fact put their lives at greater risk because of their advanced age and possibly pre-existing conditions from serving the very country that so much can’t wear a fucking mask. Holy fucking shit.
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05-17-2020, 11:31 AM #92Banned
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05-17-2020, 12:01 PM #93
What research is there to do? It's clear as day to me. Two people with opposing views can read the same book and take completely different things from it. Just as we can watch the same news, see the same information presented to us, and form completely different opinions. Books are just data. The ability to discern fact from fiction, to see reality, outside of our own little world, is what counts. I understand that you believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe. The essence of your views are likely the same as mine, but the players in the game we have elected are damaging to the same constitution your purport, imo. I hope we live long enough to see what is said about Trump in the next 20-30 years. I can bet both of my shriveling nuts that he will be seen as one of the worst presidents in history. The damage he is doing will take decades to undo. Domestic, foreign, everything.
The types of things Trump is doing is par-for-par in line with communist dictators. This coming from people who have seen it first hand, no books required. Blind allegiance to the president, regardless of his deeds, is exactly what dictatorship is all about. You support him because you agree with him, but I don't believe you would support any president just the same, but you may be a better than me, I don't know.
If you say you know history, then you will see how similar Hitler really is to Trump. From the rallies, to the propaganda, the attacks on media, the brainwashing, the lies. It's all in the handbook. Even the stupid hat. We all have opinions, and nobody is 100% wrong or right on anything, but some things are too glaring and obvious to ignore. The media is the least of our problems. The guy in office is fucking all of us. You'll see.
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05-17-2020, 12:29 PM #94BANNED
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and that would at least make for a legitimate debate..
the problem is, usually one side doesn't do this at all.
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lets debate the movie Braveheart -
person A - watches the movie and has a movie review and opinion to give
person B - does not watch the movie at all but still wants to give a movie review and opinion he pulls out of his ass ... lol , GTFO
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05-17-2020, 12:43 PM #95
I came to this conversation with verifiable facts, and you presented a few books you read and some right-wing propaganda (patriotism, blood/sweat, freedom). These are all nice words meant to scam you for your vote, used by the Republican Party. The real patriots are doing what’s right for the country, not siding with corrupt megalomaniacs puppeteered by foreign enemies.
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I'm not nor was I speaking to you specifically . I was making a general point. most people formulate opinions out of thin air and not out of any actual research.
again,, just like someone that gives a movie review on a movie they never actually watched.
someone thats never read the constitution , should never speak of it let alone use it in a debate. I'm not saying YOU are doing that.. I'm making a broad and general point based on most people in society and what they do.
these same fools think they can debate "rocket science" with a rocket engineer , they don't even know what the law of gravity is let alone know a thing about rocket science itself . these fools just talk out their ass without knowing a single thing about anything
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for all you Trump haters . how did you develop your opinion ? hmmm, let me see, you got everything from the left wing trump hating propaganda media outlets. you never once thought for yourself. you just follow like mindless sheep.
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personally, I'd rather read things and think for myself to form an opinion about the man
I can guarantee that most the general public Trump haters have NEVER once went beyond just what they seen on fake news outlets to formulate their opinion of Trump.. they never read a book by Trump, never read his biography of his life.. etc.. they never once did any research to formulate their opinion and they are just parroting whet they are told to parrot from the propaganda news outlets.
mindless stupid sheep
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and on a side note -- I did NOT vote for Trump btw (no I sure as hell didn't vote for Hilary either) . I'm not a republican or 'right wing'. but I developed an opinion about him based on my own mind and research , not being told what to think by the media. and understanding what the role of the presidency is, and how its a representative of the power of "we the people" , I can't help but be respectful and show support . no matter my political associations.. Trump haters are essentially anti American and against "we the people" imo. they are treasonists (Benedict Arnolds)
just cause I did't vote for him doesn't mean I'm not going to support him because he is still the representative of what really matters, ie., "we the people''Last edited by GearHeaded; 05-17-2020 at 01:38 PM.
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05-17-2020, 01:30 PM #99BANNED
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the Oath taken by American Patriots
I, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States
Trump haters keep on hating .. but the people who take this Oath will remember you and your hatred of America and your hatred of "we the people" and it will definitely come back your way to bite you on the ass one day
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05-17-2020, 01:32 PM #100
It’s all political however what I have seen Is people that hate Trump either are listening to the media that is not presenting everything or they are looking for someone who is more politically correct.
I am by far a Trump lover, but it is sort of nice to get someone in office that was more business related than being a lifetime politician.
Yes, I don’t always agree but the only one I would always agree with as president is myself. LOL
Maybe I’ll run. Then all you guys can hate me too. LOL
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05-17-2020, 02:42 PM #101
You can obey your president all you want, but trust me, he wouldn't do the same for you. That guy operates by his own rules, and maybe that appeals to you. We're not the biggest rule followers here. There are things about him I like on a personal level. If I didn't know all the things he has done, how he has corrupted government, and how he spreads fear and lies, then I might actually think he's a pretty cool dude.
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05-17-2020, 02:48 PM #102Banned- I said my goodbyes.
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I hate trump and all high level poloticians because I know what it takes to get there.
The sheep are the ones looking to be taken care of by any leader or thinking that a person in a seat of power gives two shits about their well being or freedom.
I won't vote.
Get the same shit in a different flavor.
Trump has presided over more firearms legislation than any president since nixon.
He also seeded new ideas like "red flag laws".
But he is the only one to vote for because at least he tries to break his dick off in socialist asses.
Leave my money alone and I can create enough security that the people who try to take my guns cant.
It has been said that knowledge is power.
Must have been said by a broke mfer that thought he was smart. Money is power. The rest comes naturally and you either have it or you dont.
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05-17-2020, 02:50 PM #103Banned- I said my goodbyes.
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I hate trump less than most though.
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05-17-2020, 03:00 PM #104
The media doesn't have some demonic reason to alter facts or flat out lie - UNLESS there is something to be gained. When 90% of the media provides one viewpoint, and the 10% of the media presents another viewpoint, which one do you believe? Fox News and Trump go hand-in-hand. Sean Hannity and Trump have the same lawyer... These people are literally invested in the president and have secrets of their own they don't want exposed. If Trump goes down, so do they, so they protect him. And they willingly mislead and talk in circles with "but what about's" to keep their viewership and the radical anti-lib/anti-"elite"/anti-everything that they created going. THEY themselves are the elite. What is more elite than Trump?
They spent billions of dollars convincing people that liberals want to take your guns, that democrats are socialists, and now they have to roll with it. A lie never hurt a republican. As long as they can continue holding their comfy offices, guys like Mitch McConnell, will continue the crooked scheme. Mitch McConnell, senator for Kentucky, the shittiest red state in existence. The lowest educational scores, the lowest income per capita, the worst healthcare. He's the tough guy in congress. Can't even fix his own state.
You know why red states have more tests available? Because they have less people per square foot, therefore, less chance of contamination, and less hospital visits.
The blue states are America. The red states do jack shit for this economy. What's the GDP in NY/California vs a red state?? Pff.
The thing about Trump being a businessman - well, if your daddy gave you over 300 million dollars throughout your life, you were bailed out about 5-6 times, went bankrupt a bunch of times, got foreign aid (from corrupt foreign governments) to save your businesses - would you call that a good business man? What kind of a leader turns his own people against each other instead of bringing unity? Trump is black or white, you can't reason with a guy like that. You're either on his side and have to agree with everything he says, or you're his enemy. That simple. That's the kind of guy we want navigating world politics? Trump cares about himself, he gives two fucks about anyone else, other than maybe his children. That guy is no patriot, he is an egomaniacal narcissist.
They'll have college psychology/sociology courses on the mental state of this guy.
I just find it strange Gear, that you use so much of this patriotic rhetoric, but if you really were honest with yourself, you know Trump doesn't believe in any of that. He's not religious, he's not Godly, he's a damn near pedophile. He cares so much about our country that he's willing to sell America's soul to Russia. That's quite a leader we have.
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this is where I've been for years .. in regards to politics I'm a "consciousness objector" . left wing and right wing are wings on the same corrupt bird. I refuse to support either wing cause the bird itself is corrupt... I lean towards responsible "anarchy".
I won't vote until there is a party that vows to restore the power back to WE THE PEOPLE, and no one else.. until a party vows to make the government systems cower and fear 'we the people' .
until a party vows to strip away 99% of the bullshit laws that are on the books, and let people live a free life to pursue happiness for themselves. to live by 10 simple laws that were handed down by God and nothing more.
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sounds like some communist pig from CNN wrote this for you and you just pasted it and believed it for yourself .. thats fine. all liberals can do is spout off the same exact bullshit script and propaganda over and over again.
I think liberal brains are already chipped and plugged in to AI already. unfortunately , its not a very intelligent AI. its called brainwashing and making people stupid propaganda robots . beep , beep , beep .. thats all they can say. beep beep beep. repeating the same bullshit noise over and over again. no mind of their own
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heres an intersting observation I've had over the last 25 years..
every left wing liberal I've ever known in my life ,, not a single one of them owned a single book on the constitution , American history, the formation and workings of our democracy and republic, etc. etc.. they never read or owned a single book on the political system.
hmm.. so where did they formulate their opinions ?
all the same place. left wing propaganda news stations. thats it.. every single one of them always talked the exact same way cause they are all brainwashed getting their information from the exact same place.
just funny how some of these people come across as political zealots and so 'passionate' , yet never once even read a single book on politics.. all they've done is watched the same bullshit propaganda news channels . its hilarious really
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05-17-2020, 05:54 PM #108Banned
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Oops, you know me and to some extent I’ve been labeled as a left winged liberal and you’re wrong about me.
I’ve got the French philosopher that our forefathers idolized and helped base our constitution and the very notion of democracy on, tattooed on me twice. When Ben Franklin went to France for assistance, he dressed just like him (he had a distinctive hat), very clever PR move there, I must say.
They talk about pandemics much in the constitution GH? I’ve read a shit load on Adams, Franklin, Jefferson, and Washington as well and must have missed the part of about them discussing viruses, social distancing and masks.
Please clarify for me, just how you know how they would approach this situation, not knowing what changes would occur over 200 years later.
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I'm not referring to you Prox .. I know you well enough to know that your open minded and your going to take the time to read for yourself.
I was referring to the brain washed liberals that don't know how to think for themselves and simply parrot what they hear on propaganda news and nothing more (and they think thats a legitimate political view, not realizing its just fake propaganda news devoid of real meaning and reality)
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Democracy is a useless bag of shit when it allows people to vote away their own freedoms. You don't seem to have much issue with that. The collective is the problem. People became pussies. When you have 300 million pussies that have no idea where their food comes from voting and making decisions that affect the collective to the point that they decide what needs to be free and what needs to be outlawed...
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There should be zero tolerance for any encroachment upon the Bill of Rights or freedom. If they started hanging the motherfukers that encroached upon it in the slightest bit pretty soon it would stop entirely. So I just named pretty much every high-level politician. Some people would trade freedom for security and those people need to get the fuck out of the US and they did not deserve to be born here
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when you look at the original history .. voting was originally reserved for ONLY those land owning self employed (contractors essentially) men. only they could vote.. cause if you allowed the masses to vote, it would be biased and the masses would simply vote for the wealth of the independent land owning contractors be taken and spread through the masses
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05-17-2020, 08:14 PM #113Banned- I said my goodbyes.
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The idea when we started this nation posed to be left the fuck alone to where we can take care of ourselves and not receive handouts or be forced to pay taxes to a collective that made decisions for us.
Hard Times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good Times make weak men. Weak men make hard times.
I literally heard on the radio the other day in a commercial" we know times are harder today than they have ever been in history"
I wanted to tear the fucking radio out of my truck and beat a fucking liberal to death with it. And yes proximal you do lien extremely extremely liberal. And c-27 calls himself a republican but he sure is absolutely zero of their core values
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I honestly don't believe that anyone who is employed should be allowed to vote. When I hired bitch starts making the decisions of the bosses who create the economy and jobs well it's pretty obvious what fucking happens. They start taking from their employer and pretty soon their employer takes it back out of their asses and cutting jobs
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what most people don't realize , is hard working independent self employed men are not out to get anyone. we are not really "tough guys" per se , we actually want to employ people, and help people, and help provide for peoples families, and care for people and provide livelihoods and sense of self worth.
but instead we are seen as sharks and lions, rather then Shepards that actually stay up stressing and worrying about the sheep.
the world doesn't understand the nature of the lion.. the Shepard. they fear and think we are just going to take. nope, we are here ro provide and help , and then KILL the damn wolf with our bare hands if need be.
we are not the enemy .
but people treat us like we are. if they only had a clue
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Socialism is literally a cancer by Nature. The thought that someone can take money that they haven't earned from their employer is a goddamn disgrace. I hear these little bastards saying shit like oh well we just want to have employee-owned companies. Yeah that's really cute. Too bad they are one in a million for a reason. No one that has the brains and balls to actually make shit go round is going to work on a fucking Factory floor
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That's what I meant by you're either born with it or you aren't. To be successful self-employed you have to bust ass 20 hours of fucking day 7 days a week lots of times. You have to like the stress and the adrenaline of the weight on your shoulders. You either have it or you don't. Leadership is not learned you're either born with it or you aren't. It's also why 99% of successful people have had a divorce because they were never around their own home.
My friend who helped me is a multi-millionaire. I told him the trouble I've been having because I wasn't around and he asked his wife "How much was I around the first ten years we were together?"
She was not humored.
"I raised our first two alone."
She kept walking and I could see the "Oh fuck I pissed her off" glances at her as we continued talking.
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One of the stipulations he had in helping me was I have to attend church with him. I no longer do business on sunday unless its an emergency call.
Posted it immediately to my business page after I left.
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Lol I literally just had a call I thought was an emergency...
9:32pm...
It never stops lately.
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