The mainstream media did this to America

[almostgone]

....or the beginning of the great reset that will dramatically expand the surveillance state via real-time tracking...

[wango]

LOL, I think it's the whole Internet, DD! I was reading IBD and trying to see a reason for the positive market trend. Suddenly, everything dropped back and was acting like 56k dialup.

Honestly, it was just slow and delayed ONLY here for me. First thing that popped into my mind was could somebody be monitoring and watching in light of yesterday trying to track down those involved. I know, sounds far fetched, but it crossed my mind.

[Test Monsterone]

Honestly, it was just slow and delayed ONLY here for me. First thing that popped into my mind was could somebody be monitoring and watching in light of yesterday trying to track down those involved. I know, sounds far fetched, but it crossed my mind.

Me too. Only here. Probably a good thing in my case.

[wango]

Me too. Only here. Probably a good thing in my case.

I was a BASKET-CASE last night and deliberately forced myself from posting further. But seriously, the thought of this forum being “observed” doesn’t seem that too crazy to me.

[tarmyg]

Anyone who believes that we are anonymous here needs to seriously rethink their online habits. Not only is this type of site very easy to monitor but the legal options for getting data from here in case of suspicious activity would be very straightforward (It's not exactly Apple computer taking a stand against the authorities).

If you truly want to be anonymous you are going to need to invest some serious time and it is still not guaranteed in the end. That said, the constitution protects free speech (Not on this site though as it is technically a private forum/company, and what is and is not said is regulated according to the will of the owner) but no one ever said speech=anonymity.

[Beetlegeuse]

Communism in 3, 2, 1…




Pramila lays out the Marxist agenda...




As posted by J in comments:

51, 52, 53 states, 6 more secure dem senators.
No more filibuster in Senate.
Green Bad Deal.
One-payer socialized medical care.
President Kamala “Freedom” Harris.
Gun control: buybacks, ammo taxes, etc.
Rejoin Paris climate accords.
Great socialist reset.
Closer ties with Communist China.
Ditto, Iran.
Citizenship for 11-22 million illegals.
Higher taxes.
Inflationary reducing of the value of the dollar.
Non-support for the Republic of China (Taiwan, one of the best nations on earth).
More control of speech.
Non-repeal of 230 (re Big Media ability to control media narrative).
Stricter lockdown, mask mandates.
“1619” faux narrative taught as gospel.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

[size=12][url=https://bit.ly/39gpYZN][COLOR="#FF0000"]

As posted by J in comments:

51, 52, 53 states, 6 more secure dem senators.
No more filibuster in Senate.
Green Bad Deal.
One-payer socialized medical care.
President Kamala “Freedom” Harris.
Gun control: buybacks, ammo taxes, etc.
Rejoin Paris climate accords.
Great socialist reset.
Closer ties with Communist China.
Ditto, Iran.
Citizenship for 11-22 million illegals.
Higher taxes.
Inflationary reducing of the value of the dollar.
Non-support for the Republic of China (Taiwan, one of the best nations on earth).
More control of speech.
Non-repeal of 230 (re Big Media ability to control media narrative).
Stricter lockdown, mask mandates.
“1619” faux narrative taught as gospel.

Your fascination with anonymous posters with one letter names is blatantly obvious.

First it is Q.
Now it is J.

Can't wait until you see P start posting.

You'll soak that shit right up.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Beetlegeuse...

Why are you upset that new votes are joining the tally?



https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/sta...74013901266944

Is it because they tan better than you?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Communism in 3, 2, 1…

Trump's second impeachment in 3, 2, 1...

[wango]

Beetlegeuse...

Why are you upset that new votes are joining the tally?



https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/sta...74013901266944

Is it because they tan better than you?

Tan as in skin? A tad off color, lol?

[wango]

Communism in 3, 2, 1…




Pramila lays out the Marxist agenda...




As posted by J in comments:

51, 52, 53 states, 6 more secure dem senators.
No more filibuster in Senate.
Green Bad Deal.
One-payer socialized medical care.
President Kamala “Freedom” Harris.
Gun control: buybacks, ammo taxes, etc.
Rejoin Paris climate accords.
Great socialist reset.
Closer ties with Communist China.
Ditto, Iran.
Citizenship for 11-22 million illegals.
Higher taxes.
Inflationary reducing of the value of the dollar.
Non-support for the Republic of China (Taiwan, one of the best nations on earth).
More control of speech.
Non-repeal of 230 (re Big Media ability to control media narrative).
Stricter lockdown, mask mandates.
“1619” faux narrative taught as gospel.

Beetle, a favor. Can you ask this J dude who wins the super bowl, the nba championship, the college football championship and next years MLB championship. I’d like to bet aggressively.

Also too, any particular stock suggestions.

And just curious, will Khabib come out of retirement?

Certainly this J dude is in the know of future happenings, so certainly he’ll have answers to these basic requests.

[Beetlegeuse]

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Wow!!!

That bottom photo looks exactly like Trump’s America
this past year.

#fightagainstfascism

[Test Monsterone]

Look who's talking. I've never seen a group of people fight so vehemently to instill a dictator as with this election. Trump has everything in common with dictators around the world. That's why he respects them.

[wango]

Beetle, a favor. Can you ask this J dude who wins the super bowl, the nba championship, the college football championship and next years MLB championship. I’d like to bet aggressively.

Also too, any particular stock suggestions.

And just curious, will Khabib come out of retirement?

Certainly this J dude is in the know of future happenings, so certainly he’ll have answers to these basic requests.

Come on Beetle, give me a break. I want to win a crap-load and give my money to the poor. It’s a very good cause.

If you did that for me you would be like Christ going to a wedding and providing drink for all. Or, a step further, as in the image. Truly a great gesture on your part!

[kelkel]

Wow!!!

That bottom photo looks exactly like Trump’s America
this past year.

#fightagainstfascism

Not to mention Portland and Kenosha etc which went on ALL summer, not just a few hours.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Not to mention Portland and Kenosha etc which went on ALL summer, not just a few hours.

Exactly. Looks like Trump’s America in all of 2020.

I didn’t say it looked like the Capitol.

I said it looks like America under the Trump presidency.

[kelkel]

Exactly. Looks like Trump’s America in all of 2020.

I didn’t say it looked like the Capitol.

I said it looks like America under the Trump presidency.

Knew what you meant. But he doesn't control individual cities or states and he can't send in Nat Guard elements without their specific request. I'm just saying the abhorent behavior is on both sides of the political aisle. That said, if conservatives begin rioting, burning etc for this upcoming summer you would also say "It looks like America under the Biden Presidency", right?

[Test Monsterone]

Knew what you meant. But he doesn't control individual cities or states and he can't send in Nat Guard elements without their specific request. I'm just saying the abhorent behavior is on both sides of the political aisle. That said, if conservatives begin rioting, burning etc for this upcoming summer you would also say "It looks like America under the Biden Presidency", right?

The right has no reason for outrage. The riots in Portland didn’t affect anyone in Alabama, Texas, SC, etc. The riot in our country’s Capitol building affects us all and is based on the false premise that the election was stolen. If the conservatives riot under the Biden presidency it’s because they believe lies.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Knew what you meant. But he doesn't control individual cities or states and he can't send in Nat Guard elements without their specific request. I'm just saying the abhorent behavior is on both sides of the political aisle. That said, if conservatives begin rioting, burning etc for this upcoming summer you would also say "It looks like America under the Biden Presidency", right?

two points to make:
1 is about Trump being respsonsible
2 is about Biden's presidency

1:
Yes Trump doesn't control individual cities and states.
He gladly would've sent in the NG. "When the looting starts the shooting starts." (Funny though Pence had to order in the NG to the capitol.)

I have argued that the protesting and rioting were as intense as it was because of a perfect storm.
Covid caused a recession and a lockdown and police killings fueled a civil rights outburst.
Trump had a hand in all of it.
He is on tape lying about Covid. He admits to downplaying it.
This made the spread worse.
It also made many people think that it was a hoax.
The lockdowns and economic impact pissed people off.
The police killings were the final straw and yes Trump was part of it.
When you have a president who:
calls Mexicans thugs and racists, tells Congresswomen of color to go back to where they came from, calls white supremacists very fine people, retweets people chanting white power...
It adds to the feelings of racial injustice.

So Trump is part of why the riots were so bad.
Would he gladly have put them down just as he did a peaceful daytime protest for a photoshoot? Of course he would.
He would do anything for votes.
It is why he lied about covid. It is why he doesn't condone some of his base.

So yes, ALL OF THE RIOTS HAVE TRUMP'S FINGERPRINTS ON THEM.

2:
Will I hold Biden responsible?
Of course I will.
I am no Biden fan. I like many Americans didn't vote for Biden, I voted against Trump.
But just like Trump blamed the lack of testing and medical preparedness on Obama even though Trump had been in office nearly THREE years at that point...
I am willing to give Biden a few months of leeway.

Trump was handed an economy that was on an 8 year expansion with 5% employment.
Biden is being given a country on the verge of civil war.



#Idon'ttakeanyresponsibilityatall

[Hughinn]

You say that "white supremacist" are a bigger collective group than antifa or black lives matterand a bigger problem. So tell me when was the last time any one seen white supremacist rioting and burning down cities, since, like you say, they're a bigger and more problematic group.

And since you hate people that believe they're superior to others, then explain to me why you support the very people who've built up this caste type system and seek to maintain the status quo?

The democrat party of centuries gone was an aristocracy of wealthy interests who rode to power by convincing poor white people that all of thier problems were because of poor people of color.

The democrat party of today is an aristocracy of wealthy interests riding to power by convincing poor people of color that all of their problems are because of poor white people. Same party, same playbook.

And you support them. So congratulations on being a contradiction
Try to explain why, without mentioning Donald Trump

[Hughinn]

Biden is one the very people responsible for it being on the verge of a civil war.

The guy is a direct example of the status quo.

Biden and his ilk are the very reason trump was elected to begin with. If the nations institutions are fucked up, then how can you blame trump, instead of the guy whose been writing policy for those institutions for the past fifty years? What sense would it make to put the people responsible for fucking it up in the first place, back in charge thinking they'll fix it? Sounds stupid to me, but hey, I'm no liberal

So once again, explain to me why you support this nonsense, without mentioning Donald Trump

[Test Monsterone]

You say that "white supremacist" are a bigger collective group than antifa or black lives matterand a bigger problem. So tell me when was the last time any one seen white supremacist rioting and burning down cities, since, like you say, they're a bigger and more problematic group.

And since you hate people that believe they're superior to others, then explain to me why you support the very people who've built up this caste type system and seek to maintain the status quo?

The democrat party of centuries gone was an aristocracy of wealthy interests who rode to power by convincing poor white people that all of thier problems were because of poor people of color.

The democrat party of today is an aristocracy of wealthy interests riding to power by convincing poor people of color that all of their problems are because of poor white people. Same party, same playbook.

And you support them. So congratulations.
Try to explain why, without mentioning Donald Trump

The democrats from 200 years ago are republicans today. The name has changed, but the people are the same. The republicans today try to convince poor white people that black people/mexicans/immigrants are their problem. Republican politicians work for the top .001% and corporations who the same politicians puppet for. Republican media and politicians have been tricking blue collar republicans to vote against their own benefit since the dawn of time. They are the primary beneficiaries of social services yet they don't want anyone else getting them.

Do you know what Antifa stands for? Anti-fascists. Do you know what a fascist is? "Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe." That describes the current president and the type of government he wants to run. That does not represent democracy.

Are you black and were you personally affected by the BLM riots? I assume not, so I'm not sure what your issue is with that? Can you understand why we have a problem with far-right conspiracy believers breaking into the state Capitol and trying to disrupt our electoral process because our President has been lying to the public about voter fraud? Can you discern between the two and realize the gravity of one situation vs. another?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

You say that "white supremacist" are a bigger collective group than antifa or black lives matterand a bigger problem. So tell me when was the last time any one seen white supremacist rioting and burning down small parts of cities, since, like you say, they're a bigger and more problematic group. Minneapolis police say 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite George Floyd rioting https://www.startribune.com/police-u...ing/571932272/

And since you hate people that believe they're superior to others, then explain to me why you support the very people who've built up this caste type system and seek to maintain the status quo?

The democrat party of centuries gone was an aristocracy of wealthy interests who rode to power by convincing poor white people that all of thier problems were because of poor people of color.

The democrat party of today is an aristocracy of wealthy interests riding to power by convincing poor people of color that all of their problems are because of poor white people. Same party, same playbook.

And you support them. So congratulations on being a contradiction
Try to explain why, without mentioning Donald Trump

OK I'll bite Mr. Alt Right...

Yes, I will agree that more Antifa and BLM people riot than white supremacysts.
I have given you above a famous example of a white supremacyst rioter.

However, three times in the last month white supremacysts have actually breached a Capitol building trying to disrupt the democratic process.
Perhaps you don't know that the Oregon Capitol building was breached twice in the last month... you probably do since you seem very versed in the alt-right.
https://coffeeordie.com/armed-protesters-oregon/
https://katu.com/news/local/3-oregon...ice-data-shows

I personally think that rioters should be locked up. I've said it many times.

However, I think that people trying to quite literally overturn an election is a far bigger crime.
I can't imagine a bigger crime in a democracy then killing said democracy.


I will agree that the Democratic party was the party of choice for white supremacysts in the beginning.
But things have changed.
I believe it was during the Big Deal that the party's focus shifted more towards helping the poor.
It is obvious to anyone with eyes that the Republican party is the party of choice for white supremacysts now.

No... I don't think I am a contradiction.
I don't think as you say "The democrat party of today is an aristocracy of wealthy interests riding to power by convincing poor people of color that all of their problems are because of poor white people."
The statement is straight alt-right stormfront rhetoric.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Biden is one the very people responsible for it being on the verge of a civil war.

The guy is a direct example of the status quo. Mr. Non-Status Quo gets elected president and after 3 years of non-status quo the riots break out. So no, Biden is not responsible. Well, I guess since he got elected President... and the losers (of the election) got upset and rioted... then yes he is responsible.

Biden and his ilk are the very reason trump was elected to begin with. Agreed kinda. People voted against Hillary. Just like people voted against Trump. If the nations institutions are fucked up, then how can you blame trump, instead of the guy whose been writing policy for those institutions for the past fifty years? You are claiming that the nation's institutions are fucked up, not me. I am claiming Trump is fucked up. Understand? What sense would it make to put the people responsible for fucking it up in the first place, back in charge thinking they'll fix it? Sounds stupid to me, but hey, I'm no liberal You make a false statement and then call me stupid because of your false statement. Brilliant.

So once again, explain to me why you support this nonsense, without mentioning Donald Trump Had to mention him, you win.

Why do you seem to get so upset that I hate white supremacists?

I can actually hold a civil discussion on the matter if you would like.

[Beetlegeuse]

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Well I am a happy to report that Democracy won and an authoritative Fascist coup was put down.

Not sure why you mention Socialism but thanks for the nifty quote.

Note: It would be really refreshing if Beetlegeuse put together 5 coherent sentences of his own instead of just copy and pasting some alt-right propaganda.

[Hughinn]

Wrong. The democrat party was, and still is the party of the supremacist aristocracy.

Wall Street, Park Avenue, silicon Valley, Hollywood and Washington DC are the places where 95 percent of the nation's wealth is horde. As it's fleeced from the rest of the nation, its stockpiled among the few who live in those places.

Which all of those places are 95% DEMOCRAT, the elite of those places, the ones calling the shots, and making the rules through people they handle completely, like joe biden, are all democrats and Run by the democrat party, and the status quo enforced by the democrat party. Washington DC is basically the largest and most oppressive police precinct the world has ever seen. And it's controlled by the democrat party

For a man who claims to oppose supremacist ideology, it's very ironic and even contradictory that you support leftist politics and ideology. The very root and propagation of that which you claim to oppose.

[Hughinn]

Because you claim to hate white supremacist due to their supremacist ideology.

And yet you support the aristocratic supremacist ideology of the modern left.

You're contradictory in your own ideals.

I'm just trying to point that out. It would help if you stop thinking of me as "alt right" or whatever. I'm not beholden to anyone or anybody. And adhere to no ones standards or ideals other than my own. I think you can understand.

And the only reason I give a fuck enough to point it out, is because I respect you and believe you more than intelligent enough to understand, if you're willing enough to look and see.

[Hughinn]

The big question is, is democracy when the ruling class overturns the will of the people, or vice versa?

Because it appears like thats the question everyone wants to know. Which one just happened?

And that's the question nobody is asking, or is even allowed to ask : proof of what, or which scenario just happened.

If the ruling class, let democracy run its course, then why not prove it to people, instead of telling them to shut up and take it?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Wrong. The democrat party was, and still is the party of the supremacist aristocracy. So you say. Funny because most rightist claim that the Democratic party is socialist... you know... egalitarian.

Wall Street, Park Avenue, silicon Valley, Hollywood and Washington DC are the places where 95 percent of the nation's wealth is horde. Purely false statement. Provide proof. You don't think Big Oil and Gas and Coal And Real Estate account for more than 5% of the nation's wealth. You have been lied to by whatever propaganda to which you have been exposed. As it's fleeced from the rest of the nation, its stockpiled among the few who live in those places.

Which all of those places are 95% DEMOCRAT, clearly you never have worked on Wall Street. I have. Trust me... it is heavily Republican. Fuck, Trump's treasury secretary Mnuchin is ex-Goldman Sachs. Hoolywood, how about Murdoch of Fox News fame. As far as Washington DC, how about half the fucking politicians and the President of the last four years?!?! Sure, the poor working class of DC is democratic as is the poor working class of most cities. But not the elites. the elite of those places, the ones calling the shots, and making the rules through people they handle completely, like joe biden, are all democrats and Run by the democrat party, and the status quo enforced by the democrat party. Washington DC is basically the largest and most oppressive police precinct the world has ever seen. And it's controlled by the democrat party Washington DC is run by Trump. You are delusional. Biden is president elect. The Senate was controlled by the Republicans. What universe do you live in? So yeah, the Deomcrats had the house. Fuck, even the Supreme Court is conservative.

For a man who claims to oppose supremacist ideology, it's very ironic and even contradictory that you support leftist politics and ideology. Didn't realize a minimum wage and universal health care, higher taxes on corporations, higher taxes on the rich, and less pollution is supremacist. Seems quite the opposite to me. The very root and propagation of that which you claim to oppose.

I urge you to change the channel every now and then.
I trade for a living and I have to watch different news outlets simply so I can get different views.
I also read right wing propaganda and peruse stormfront for funsies.

It is obvious what people read and watch by their catch phrases.

Like the alt-right claiming that Democrats are Racist because they were 200 years ago.
Or how that Lincoln freed the slaves so that proves the Republican party of today is the party of the blacks. (Funny because the black community votes Democratic. Guess they are stupid.)
Or my favorite, how the white slave owners were actually buying the slaves to be nice to them... save them from slavery in South America.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The big question is, is democracy when the ruling class overturns the will of the people, or vice versa?

Because it appears like thats the question everyone wants to know. Which one just happened?

And that's the question nobody is asking, or is even allowed to ask : proof of what, or which scenario just happened.

If the ruling class, let democracy run its course, then why not prove it to people, instead of telling them to shut up and take it?

Proof...
The FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, DHS, the attorney general, state and local courts, counts, recounts, audits, signature verification...

The proof is that the minority of the United States is trying to overturn an election of the majority.
That is the exact opposite of democracy.

You can ask all you want...

Trump claimed Hillary cheated.
A Republican counsel investigated for 2 years and found nothing.
Months before the election Trump claimed fraud.
Before the election!!!
He lied about the Hillary election and he lied about this election.

So I guess you believe the FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, DHS, the attorney general, state and local courts, counts, recounts, audits, signature verification are all in on a big conspiracy.

Everyone is out to get Trump?

[Hughinn]

I urge you to change the channel every now and then.
I trade for a living and I have to watch different news outlets simply so I can get different views.
I also read right wing propaganda and peruse stormfront for funsies.

It is obvious what people read and watch by their catch phrases.

Like the alt-right claiming that Democrats are Racist because they were 200 years ago.
Or how that Lincoln freed the slaves so that proves the Republican party of today is the party of the blacks. (Funny because the black community votes Democratic. Guess they are stupid.)
Or my favorite, how the white slave owners were actually buying the slaves to be nice to them... save them from slavery in South America.

The point of the supremacist aristocracy was avoided most deftly.

I will not argue of corruption in both parties. Because I agree. And we're discussing supremacist ideology, not racism. Or, can you even admit the difference?

Address the point of supremacist ideology among the leftist elite without pointing to the fac t it exists on both sides. Because we both know it does.

And tell me how a man who loathes supremacist ideology can support the modern left.

[Hughinn]

Have you seen any formal, public audits? Any real investigation where details are made public?

Anything?

You need to ask why what happened at the capitol happened. You have to ask the reasoning behind d it, and how it could have been prevented. But more importantly, why they didn't even try. Nor listen. And why they're not going to.

[Hughinn]

Proof...
The FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, DHS, the attorney general, state and local courts, counts, recounts, audits, signature verification...

The proof is that the minority of the United States is trying to overturn an election of the majority.
That is the exact opposite of democracy.

You can ask all you want...

Trump claimed Hillary cheated.
A Republican counsel investigated for 2 years and found nothing.
Months before the election Trump claimed fraud.
Before the election!!!
He lied about the Hillary election and he lied about this election.

So I guess you believe the FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, DHS, the attorney general, state and local courts, counts, recounts, audits, signature verification are all in on a big conspiracy.

Everyone is out to get Trump?

Ask yourself why it's made to about trump? You cannot, or have not explained your position yet without mentioning Donald Trump. Let's try from henceforth not to mention trump.

Trump is the symptom to the issue, the side effect. Not the issue itself.

Why are so many millions fed up with the way things are run? Joe biden and Hillary Clinton had more to do with trump getting elected than trump did. So let's leave trump out of it...for now. And stay on point.

Everything you've said so far is cnn and msnbc daily commentary. I've heard it too.

Let's move on.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The point of the supremacist aristocracy was avoided most deftly.

I will not argue of corruption in both parties. Because I agree. And we're discussing supremacist ideology, not racism. Or, can you even admit the difference?

Address the point of supremacist ideology among the leftist elite without pointing to the fac t it exists on both sides. Because we both know it does.

And tell me how a man who loathes supremacist ideology can support the modern left.

Maybe if you define what you think a supremacist aristocracy means to you I can do a better job.

To me:
supremacist - being better/superior to others - having more rights
aristocracy - government of a small group of rulers

You claim that America is controlled by a small group of rulers who have more rights than others and are superior. (My best guess...)
You claim these people are Democrats.

My guess is you also think they are satanic cannibalistic pedophiles too. (maybe you don't. I don't.)

I think America is a democracy that is run by four branches. (courts, Potus, house, senate)
I think America does a decent job of not making them elites with special rights but I think it could be better.
I do think that rich people and the media have influence. (But "lesser" people can also have influence... say Stacey Abrams.)
Where I disagree is that they are not all Democrats.

For fuck's sake... Trump has been the most powerful man in the world for 4 years... he quite literally bent the Republican party to his will.
He's convinced maybe 80 million people of his lies about the election.
So spare me the Democrats are in control bull shit.

from above...

Didn't realize a minimum wage and universal health care, higher taxes on corporations, higher taxes on the rich, and less pollution is supremacist. Seems quite the opposite to me.


So to me:
I don't associate the Democrats with the same views you do.
And note that I am a registered independent.
I voted simply against Trump.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Have you seen any formal, public audits? Any real investigation where details are made public?

Anything?

You need to ask why what happened at the capitol happened. You have to ask the reasoning behind d it, and how it could have been prevented. But more importantly, why they didn't even try. Nor listen. And why they're not going to.

I trust the SC, FBI, CIA, AG, DHS, etc...
I barely have enough time to argue you.

I know why the Capitol insurrection happened, at least I have my views.
Trump has been spreading bullshit.
And people fell for it.
Just like all the Qanon idiots.
Satanic cannibalistic pedophiles drinking adrenochrome. Seriously?
I have to ask why these fools will riot?
And white supremacists?
I have to ask why these fools will riot?
Fuck that... I have better things to do.

I ask you... have you seen any proof of fraud?
Why do you believe there was fraud?
Why didn't Trump present any proof in court?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Ask yourself why it's made to about trump? Trump is dead center of everything involved for fuck's sake. The President of the US lied to people and incited a riot. Not sure what you are missing. You cannot, or have not explained your position yet without mentioning Donald Trump. Let's try from henceforth not to mention trump. Why should I argue a case without the star witness? This whole thing is all about Trump. It is not about a secret cabal.

Trump is the symptom to the issue, the side effect. Not the issue itself.

Why are so many millions fed up with the way things are run? Joe biden and Hillary Clinton had more to do with trump getting elected than trump did. Hillary had a large part. Biden no. So let's leave trump out of it...for now. And stay on point.

Everything you've said so far is cnn and msnbc daily commentary. I've heard it too.

Let's move on.

You have zero basis for trying to demand I leave Trump out of it.
Trump has been President for 4 years.
Not Hillary.
Not Biden.

[Hughinn]

You have zero basis for trying to demand I leave Trump out of it.
Trump has been President for 4 years.
Not Hillary.
Not Biden.

Let's stick to other thread for now.
Because the two points are going to intersect eventually.

But we'll get back to this.

[kelkel]

The right has no reason for outrage. The riots in Portland didn’t affect anyone in Alabama, Texas, SC, etc. The riot in our country’s Capitol building affects us all and is based on the false premise that the election was stolen. If the conservatives riot under the Biden presidency it’s because they believe lies.

The riots indirectly effect everyone in the country. Countless people left unemployed, business burned etc all lead to less commerce. Businesses don't only get supplies from where they live. Goods and services come from all over this country. Trust me, I'm not in favor or any kind of rioting but remember, the democrat party has been attacking the current president for 4 years straight, yet he's not allowed to fight back? Figuratively not literally obviously as neither party can control the fringe elements of each.

And now we have big tech shutting down a conservative site basically because they don't like them. They're monopolies and proved it by doing so. People say FB, Twitter, etc are capitalist so just start your own conservative site (actually DD said this) and stop crying, and I'm paraphrasing so apologies to DD. So, Parler did just that, big tech didn't like it and shut them down. Crushing peoples livelyhoods without a second thought. Hell, Google controls 90+% of all internet searches so who can compete? Microsoft tried and failed and if they can't, who can? They need to be controlled to some extent as ultimately it will contribute to the present discontent.

short rant on a bad day for me. I may explain in another post. Hope all is well.