I tried to buy a Firearm and the sale was placed “on hold”

[Cuz]

to add to this point , I've done my fair share of pheasant hunting . using a shot gun with bird shot and when the dogs got them out of the grass and in the air and I blasted them with "bird shot" , I still had to pick them up and twist and break their necks cause they were not dead from the shotgun blast. thats a 2 pound bird.. you really want to use bird shot to protect your home and family from a 230 pound meth head breaking into your home

Lol GH ive never seen a 230 pound methhead . Roidhead maybe

[Test Monsterone]

Your first sentence sounds about as liberal pussified garbage that one could possible spew. But theres no changing your mind so im not arguing that it is sole purpose is designed to kill.

Ive bought about two dozen guns in my adult life this isnt “buying my first gun today guys and got denied” just to clarify.

And lastly someone that broke into my house would more than likely not buy the weapon at a dealer , id lean to a private sale myself cash sale and nothing is traced except the first owner.
It literally has nothing to do with original post of why im having to wait this time. They already know im not a lunatic bc my social security number was listed. Its an irrelevant argument but yea i am still mad about it by the way lol
Hopefully soon ill get the go ahead

I don't get how my statement sounds "liberal." It's just common sense. If you previously bought guns, in that case they should be able to pull up your information and verify you're good to go. Either way, owning a gun is a big responsibility and even if you bought a thousand guns, I don't think waiting a day or two is that big of a deal. I could say not waiting a day or two is some millenial "me me me, I Want it now!" bullshit. BTW most doctors & scientists are liberal. The smartest people, so thanks.

[GearHeaded]

Lol GH ive never seen a 230 pound methhead . Roidhead maybe

good point

but I arm myself cause there possibly could be a 230 pound meth head out there wanting to break into my house ... why not be strapped and jacked for anything possible . if I only worried about 120 pound meth heads and grizzly bears I'd simply use my bare heads . but heck what better excuse to arm myself.
I have bears, mountain lions, moose, etc. in my back yard .. I tell most people I carry my Glock 10mm not cause I'm afraid of the bears or lions , but because I don't like spiders

welcome to the jungle baby, anything can happen

[GearHeaded]

I don't get how my statement sounds "liberal." It's just common sense. If you previously bought guns, in that case THEY should be able to pull up your information and verify you're good to go. Either way, owning a gun is a big responsibility and even if you bought a thousand guns, I don't think waiting a day or two is that big of a deal. I could say not waiting a day or two is some millenial "me me me, I Want it now!" bullshit. BTW most doctors & scientists are liberal. The smartest people, so thanks.

who is "They"


my freedom and rights to own what I want should be controlled by some sort of invisible "They" ?

[Test Monsterone]

who is "They"


my freedom and rights to own what I want should be controlled by some sort of invisible "They" ?

If you want to buy an island and build your own gun factory and sell guns to anyone who has the cash (coconuts), then go right ahead. For the rest of people who want to live in a civilized society, they must abide by the rules created by people, who are elected by other people. This is why we have a democracy. Just as you think anyone should be able to easily buy a gun, I don’t think it should be that easy. That’s my freedom too. So you can say that it’s your right or freedom to own a gun, but I can say it’s my right or freedom to not want just anyone to own a gun. Owning a weapon is no longer just about you. Driving a car is no longer just about you. Any time you buy something that has the potential to cause great harm to many people, it’s no longer about you. People who drive recklessly do not get to drive anymore. People who are repeat criminal violent offenders should not own guns. But THEY have to verify you are safe to buy a gun before WE have to deal with the consequences of YOUR decisions. Not speaking about you, just in general.

[GearHeaded]

If you want to buy an island and build your own gun factory and sell guns to anyone who has the cash (coconuts), then go right ahead. For the rest of people who want to live in a civilized society, they must abide by the rules created by people, who are elected by other people. This is why we have a democracy. Just as you think anyone should be able to easily buy a gun, I don’t think it should be that easy. That’s my freedom too. So you can say that it’s your right or freedom to own a gun, but I can say it’s my right or freedom to not want just anyone to own a gun. Owning a weapon is no longer just about you. Driving a car is no longer just about you. Any time you buy something that has the potential to cause great harm to many people, it’s no longer about you. People who drive recklessly do not get to drive anymore. People who are repeat criminal violent offenders should not own guns. But THEY have to verify you are safe to buy a gun before WE have to deal with the consequences of YOUR decisions. Not speaking about you, just in general.

so if you don't know how to eat healthy "they" should take away your right to a spoon so you don't become obese.
if you don't know how to spell properly "they" should take away your right to a pen?

guarantee you more people have died from improper use of spoons and pens then guns.

left wingers are just afraid of everything..


I'd rather just have the freedom to just cross the road anytime I want and risk getting hit by a car , then have to worry about "they" arresting me for jay walking... its a dangerous world . so what , grow balls and just deal with it.
thats my view point anyhow . I'm totally fine with the Wild West

[Test Monsterone]

so if you don't know how to eat healthy "they" should take away your right to a spoon so you don't become obese.
if you don't know how to spell properly "they" should take away your right to a pen?

guarantee you more people have died from improper use of spoons and pens then guns.

left wingers are just afraid of everything..


I'd rather just have the freedom to just cross the road anytime I want and risk getting hit by a car , then have to worry about "they" arresting me for jay walking... its a dangerous world . so what , grow balls and just deal with it.
thats my view point anyhow . I'm totally fine with the Wild West

A spoon or food can only hurt the individual using it. A gun or vehicle can harm many others. If they made a gun that can’t hurt anyone but the person using it, then you would be able to compare it to a spoon.

[GearHeaded]

A spoon or food can only hurt the individual using it. .

guarantee you that if you were my enemy you wouldn't want to be locked in a room with me naked with only a spoon in my hand

dude guns don't kill people no more then pens or pencils are responsible for mis spelling words

you want to restrict hammer sells at Home Depot because some stupid assholes kill people with hammers ?

[Test Monsterone]

guarantee you that if you were my enemy you wouldn't want to be locked in a room with me naked with only a spoon in my hand

dude guns don't kill people no more then pens or pencils are responsible for mis spelling words

you want to restrict hammer sells at Home Depot because some stupid assholes kill people with hammers ?

You’re right, I would not want to be in a room with you naked holding a spoon lol... Ive seen what happens on pornhub.


On a more serious note, hammers likely won’t even kill anyone, or at the most one or two people. A sword or knife is even worse than a hammer. Even they have limited scope. You don’t get mass killings with these objects and it’s lot harder to kill at close proximity when the victim has a chance to fight back than from a drive-by.

Again the 2nd amendment was written in a time when people used muskets that took minutes to prepare and shoot and had only 1 round. That is more comparable to a knife or hammer than to a gun these days. Guaranteed they wouldn’t have even made the 2nd amendment if we had the weapons we have today. Government/those in power were much more ruthless and less trustworthy of the population than they are today.

Do you think anyone should be able to buy a gun, no questions asked? I just think a little background check for red flags isn’t too much of a step on our freedoms.

[The road]

Yesterday you said you got denied because of a felony indictment.

Do you know what indictment means?

[The road]

Ffs...

You cannot buy a firearm under felony indictment.

An indictment is a formal charge in the court of law and an accusation.

A conviction means you were charged, indicted, and lost the case.

I didn't.

You cant purchase firearms under felony indicment. My case is closed. I can buy firearms and I am not a felon.

That will be all on todays episode of legal terms with obs.

[The road]

You’re right, I would not want to be in a room with you naked holding a spoon lol... Ive seen what happens on pornhub.


On a more serious note, hammers likely won’t even kill anyone, or at the most one or two people. A sword or knife is even worse than a hammer. Even they have limited scope. You don’t get mass killings with these objects and it’s lot harder to kill at close proximity when the victim has a chance to fight back than from a drive-by.

Again the 2nd amendment was written in a time when people used muskets that took minutes to prepare and shoot and had only 1 round. That is more comparable to a knife or hammer than to a gun these days. Guaranteed they wouldn’t have even made the 2nd amendment if we had the weapons we have today. Government/those in power were much more ruthless and less trustworthy of the population than they are today.

Do you think anyone should be able to buy a gun, no questions asked? I just think a little background check for red flags isn’t too much of a step on our freedoms.

What?
What? Whaaat?!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

Theres one stabbing with 29 dead.
There have been many mass killings with a knife.

130 injured....

Man... Time to ban stuff.

How were those planes brought down on 911? Wasnt guns...

Looky, if they want to kill they will.

All your legislation does is fuck the law abiding from being able to protect themself.

[The road]

Test monsterone are you familiar with the history of the "trench gun"?

It was used by the US army in the phillipines in ww2.
It was brought over after US soldiers with a 30-40 krag were putting mutiple rounds into doped out chinks and still getting stabbed to death.

30-40 krag is a mean ass round. They just kept coming anyway.

So they sent the trench gun to every unit. A 12 guage pump winchester.

It cured the issue.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Ffs...

You cannot buy a firearm under felony indictment.

An indictment is a formal charge in the court of law and an accusation.

A conviction means you were charged, indicted, and lost the case.

I didn't.

You cant purchase firearms under felony indicment. My case is closed. I can buy firearms and I am not a felon.

That will be all on todays episode of legal terms with obs.

I never received the memo that you were cleared.
I simply know that yesterday you stated you couldn't buy a gun because you were indicted.
Then today you stated you could buy a gun.
I didn't realize you had your day in court.

May I ask what the charge was?

[Test Monsterone]

What?
What? Whaaat?!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

Theres one stabbing with 29 dead.
There have been many mass killings with a knife.

130 injured....

Man... Time to ban stuff.

How were those planes brought down on 911? Wasnt guns...

Looky, if they want to kill they will.

All your legislation does is fuck the law abiding from being able to protect themself.

I read the article and it said that multiple men, at least 5, were responsible for the stabbings, and they were looking for more. They caught people on the crowded Chinese subways and mostly old people or slow people got killed. How many people would be dead if they each had a gun? Way more.

I’m not saying we should ban anything, but you even said that law-abiding citizens should be able to buy guns, and I agree with you. But we have to have a way of distinguishing the law abiding vs. non-laws abiding people, and we do that through background checks.

No, background checks don’t stop people from purchasing weapons, and I get your point. I do think they dissuade some people who have ill intentions from buying weapons.

I knew a Native American dude who was in prison most of his life. I met him after he got out of jail and smokes a j with him. He got
Shot point blank in the forehead and had the scar to show me. You could tell something was off. Not even a month out of jail and he walks up to a random guy at the bad and knocks him out for no reason while the dude is just sitting and drinking. I don’t want that guy owning guns. I have no problem with normal people owning guns.

Test monsterone are you familiar with the history of the "trench gun"?

It was used by the US army in the phillipines in ww2.
It was brought over after US soldiers with a 30-40 krag were putting mutiple rounds into doped out chinks and still getting stabbed to death.

30-40 krag is a mean ass round. They just kept coming anyway.

So they sent the trench gun to every unit. A 12 guage pump winchester.

It cured the issue.

I didn’t know about that, thanks for the history lesson.

[The road]

I never received the memo that you were cleared.
I simply know that yesterday you stated you couldn't buy a gun because you were indicted.
Then today you stated you could buy a gun.
I didn't realize you had your day in court.

May I ask what the charge was?

Two counts felony b burglary for walking into someones house and balling them up on their recliner with because they thought the things they said digitally could not affect them.

[The road]

I read the article and it said that multiple men, at least 5, were responsible for the stabbings, and they were looking for more. They caught people on the crowded Chinese subways and mostly old people or slow people got killed. How many people would be dead if they each had a gun? Way more.

I’m not saying we should ban anything, but you even said that law-abiding citizens should be able to buy guns, and I agree with you. But we have to have a way of distinguishing the law abiding vs. non-laws abiding people, and we do that through background checks.

No, background checks don’t stop people from purchasing weapons, and I get your point. I do think they dissuade some people who have ill intentions from buying weapons.

I knew a Native American dude who was in prison most of his life. I met him after he got out of jail and smokes a j with him. He got
Shot point blank in the forehead and had the scar to show me. You could tell something was off. Not even a month out of jail and he walks up to a random guy at the bad and knocks him out for no reason while the dude is just sitting and drinking. I don’t want that guy owning guns. I have no problem with normal people owning guns.




I didn’t know about that, thanks for the history lesson.

My point is knife can beat gun and do more damage.
In many instances like 911.

You are a lefty and I am done arguing with a brick wall. You just said knives arent used in mass killings.
I am willing to bet there have been hammer mass murders too.

"Imagine if!"

You sound like the fuckhead prosecutors trying to convict people based on intent.

Idgaf what if. If we are daydreaming I will dream of better things. Only thing that matters is what is.

I never said shit about law abiding.
I said not everyone needs a gun.
Note everyone needs to vote. I am a criminal in my daily life because of people voting like you that think democracy should be able take away others rights and limit them because of something someone might intend to do.

You are another perfect example of someone eager to trade freedom for security. That is not American.

[Test Monsterone]

Edit: nvm.

It's all good Obs, I'm not gonna convince you to see my point. I can say that I don't want guns to be taken and I don't have a problem with law-abiding citizens owning guns, but somehow that gets interpreted that all guns are bad and nobody should own them. Ok, fine.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Two counts felony b burglary for walking into someones house and balling them up on their recliner with because they thought the things they said digitally could not affect them.

I am a criminal in my daily life because of people voting like you that think democracy should be able take away others rights and limit them because of something someone might intend to do.

Wow... A thinly veiled threat of violence from an admitted criminal.

[Capebuffalo]

Everybody take a deep fucking breath and chill the fuck out for a few mins.
Everyone in the US is getting divided. Don’t let them divide the meat heads.

[Capebuffalo]

good point

but I arm myself cause there possibly could be a 230 pound meth head out there wanting to break into my house ... why not be strapped and jacked for anything possible . if I only worried about 120 pound meth heads and grizzly bears I'd simply use my bare heads . but heck what better excuse to arm myself.
I have bears, mountain lions, moose, etc. in my back yard .. I tell most people I carry my Glock 10mm not cause I'm afraid of the bears or lions , but because I don't like spiders

welcome to the jungle baby, anything can happen

Somebody breaks into my house:
Alexa says welcome to the rice paddy mother fucker
Then plays welcome to the jungle
That’s when the roomba comes out with a claymore strapped to the top.

[Honkey_Kong]

your likely not going to kill or stop the criminal breaking into your home either .. shotgun with bird shot is ridiculous for home defense.
be proficient with the real tools and its not an issue. learn how to place a Glock 19 9mm round 15 times rapid fire into your target to stop the threat.
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bird shot in a shotgun just going to get yourself killed . um its for killing birds, not whacked out 230 pound meth out criminals breaking into your home.

that being said. a shotgun is a great weapon, have one next to my bed.. but it don't got no "bird shot" in it. bear slugs and 00 tactical buck shot.. the ax is preferred choice though for some thug breaking into my house
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on a side note your point about calibers . um you should just own all of those calibers. I do and I reload them.. its not a matter of either or its both

Take a look at Paul Harrels' videos on the matter, he makes a pretty good case for shotguns being great defensive weapons at home.

Here's a good video:
https://youtu.be/HF5N5tfMuX4?t=658

Looks like a kill shot.

[C27H40O3]

I didn't realize it happened during Obama.
I stand corrected.

I was trying to make a joke.
If you remember... many claimed that once Obama was in that guns would be outlawed.
So... I joked saying that if you tried to buy a gun during Obama's presidency and couldn't.... people would think their fears were realized and start a war.

I guess my joke wasn't any good.

Yes, apparently a lot of folks here dont understand humor. It’s weird.

Obama was the greatest gun salesman ever. You couldn’t get certain kinds of ammo during his time, and it cycled through different shortages..22, 9mm, .380, all at different times. He signed two laws good for gun owners. He got rid of Reagan’s ban on carrying guns in national parks. And he allowed guns in checked baggage on Amtrak. Both laws helped gun owners.

Trump only did one thing good thing, stopping Obama’s requirement that VA hospital doctors put personal mental health info into the NICS system. But Trump outlawed bump stocks, so there’s that.


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[C27H40O3]

That administration tried pushing so many gun bills it’s sickening. Now the left is pushing to defund the police, lol.

I purchased a 3D printer and will start making some guns soon.

Obama actually had a respect for gun rights more than most give him credit for.


”In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners—it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and Obama repeatedly expressed support for the Second Amendment, explaining:

"If you’ve got a rifle, you’ve got a shotgun, you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it away."


https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-...ngress-3367595


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[C27H40O3]

I tried to buy my gf a rifle for her bday.

Apparently I was denied because of felony indictment.
It made for an awkward situation.

So we bought it in her name.

Are you still under indictment? What is the Status of the case?


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[C27H40O3]

Dude you're buying a weapon that has one purpose: to kill, and you are mad you have to wait a day or two? I bought my first gun in 2007 and had to do the same thing. If they're doing their job right, it's to ensure you are not a lunatic that is going to murder a bunch of people. How would you like it if someone bought a gun and walked out the same day, no questions asked, and murdered someone you love?

People never think until it happens to them smh.

That’s the way it was for most of us growing up, all the way up until the 1990’s. You walk in, be 18 or over, and walk out with a gun.


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[GearHeaded]

I’m not saying we should ban anything, but you even said that law-abiding citizens should be able to buy guns, and I agree with you. But we have to have a way of distinguishing the law abiding vs. non-laws abiding people, and we do that through background checks..

you do realize that "non law abiding" citizens still may have families and homes to defend..

why because they made a mistake once in their life and committed a crime should they be denied their God given rights to protect themselves by any means possible..

if you get a first time offense DUI because someone else texting while driving runs you off the road and you end up destroying public property in the accident and they find alcohol on your breath .. your charged with a felony. now you suddenly have no rights to own firearms to defend your home from actual violent criminals . thats bullshit. everyone should be able to defend themselves no matter if they are a "criminal" or a "saint" .
we all have families and homes to protect no matter our "citizen status" as decided by a corrupt government system.
you get hit with a felony cause of some bullshit law or mistake made by a cop or prosecutor, and suddenly you lose your rights to protect your own family .. this is BS imo

[C27H40O3]

Just as you think anyone should be able to easily buy a gun, I don’t think it should be that easy. That’s my freedom too. So you can say that it’s your right or freedom to own a gun, but I can say it’s my right or freedom to not want just anyone to own a gun.

Actually, your freedom shouldn’t be concerned with what I own. Your freedom should be based on you staying free from being shot. There’s a difference. You might be confusing right with ability. Folks who lost their right to buy guns never lose their ability to buy guns. That is the problem. You can accomplish denying folks’ rights to buy a gun, you cant accomplish removing their ability to get them.

So with your gun sale restrictions, you wind up only impacting law abiding folks, who you dont have much to fear from to begin with. You have no effect on folks who get them through other means.


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[GearHeaded]

Take a look at Paul Harrels' videos on the matter, he makes a pretty good case for shotguns being great defensive weapons at home.

Here's a good video:
https://youtu.be/HF5N5tfMuX4?t=658

Looks like a kill shot.

depends on the shotgun and the choke you are using .. in most cases a smooth barrel or open choke with bird shot is not all that effective. buckshot with slugs is much better..

with a properly set up shotgun and choke tuned to the right bird shot then yeah you can get some good results with that (thats how my Turkey hunting gun is set up to make clean head shots) . but most people don't bother... an average off the shelf shotgun from Walmart with a box of no. 8 birdshot is not going to serve you near as well as you think.

[GearHeaded]

Are you still under indictment? What is the Status of the case?

if your under indictment ,, any good lawyer advise would be not to publicly talk about the details

[C27H40O3]

On a more serious note, hammers likely won’t even kill anyone, or at the most one or two people. A sword or knife is even worse than a hammer. Even they have limited scope. You don’t get mass killings with these objects and it’s lot harder to kill at close proximity when the victim has a chance to fight back than from a drive-by.

.

What about fertilizer, and diesel fuel?

Back in the 1990’s, a guy killed 87 people with a pint of gasoline, because his hoochie coat check girl was banging the bouncer in the club. He didnt have to go through a background check to buy the gas, yet he killed 87 people.


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[C27H40O3]

What?
What? Whaaat?!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

Theres one stabbing with 29 dead.
There have been many mass killings with a knife.

130 injured....

Man... Time to ban stuff.

How were those planes brought down on 911? Wasnt guns...

Looky, if they want to kill they will.

All your legislation does is fuck the law abiding from being able to protect themself.

That is the complete argument against useless gun control, in a nutshell. Common sense.


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[Capebuffalo]

I run rock salt- rock salt- Buck - buck- slug in the defense shotgun. Why? Why the fuck not? That’s why.

[C27H40O3]

Somebody breaks into my house:
Alexa says welcome to the rice paddy mother fucker
Then plays welcome to the jungle
That’s when the roomba comes out with a claymore strapped to the top.

Just keep the right side towards the enemy


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[Capebuffalo]

Just keep the right side towards the enemy


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Pretty easy. It says front toward enemy on it.

[C27H40O3]

if your under indictment ,, any good lawyer advise would be not to publicly talk about the details

I am certainly not asking for details, just the status of case.

Trial, awaiting trial, picking jury, case conference, awaiting probation report, etc...

I would never ask folks personal details of a criminal case.


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[BG]

2 million new gun owners. System is backed up.

Crazy!! America is arming herself........time for a civil war it seems.

[Test Monsterone]

Actually, your freedom shouldn’t be concerned with what I own. Your freedom should be based on you staying free from being shot. There’s a difference. You might be confusing right with ability. Folks who lost their right to buy guns never lose their ability to buy guns. That is the problem. You can accomplish denying folks’ rights to buy a gun, you cant accomplish removing their ability to get them.

So with your gun sale restrictions, you wind up only impacting law abiding folks, who you dont have much to fear from to begin with. You have no effect on folks who get them through other means.


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So by that logic, I should be able to drive a car even if I’ve had 10 DUIs because it’s your responsibility to not get hit by my car when I’m driving.

How does restricting who can buy guns affect law abiding citizens? They will get their guns whether they have to wait 20 minutes or 2 Days.

If someone is a paranoid schizophrenic that hallucinates and talks to the devil, I would hope their medical history and the fact that they’ve been previously institutionalized should prevent them from buying assault rifles. Maybe I’m just crazy.

[Honkey_Kong]

depends on the shotgun and the choke you are using .. in most cases a smooth barrel or open choke with bird shot is not all that effective. buckshot with slugs is much better..

with a properly set up shotgun and choke tuned to the right bird shot then yeah you can get some good results with that (thats how my Turkey hunting gun is set up to make clean head shots) . but most people don't bother... an average off the shelf shotgun from Walmart with a box of no. 8 birdshot is not going to serve you near as well as you think.

If the first shot doesn't work, pump repeat. Point is it's a great home defense weapon. And Walley World has some pretty good shotguns for sale there. I've bought a Mossberg 500 with the bead-sight from there before. Way cheaper than at Bass or even Sportsman's Warehouse (I'm sure Bud's Gun Shop is better, but then you have to deal with finding an FFL to transfer it to).

[Honkey_Kong]

Actually, your freedom shouldn’t be concerned with what I own. Your freedom should be based on you staying free from being shot. There’s a difference. You might be confusing right with ability. Folks who lost their right to buy guns never lose their ability to buy guns. That is the problem. You can accomplish denying folks’ rights to buy a gun, you cant accomplish removing their ability to get them.

So with your gun sale restrictions, you wind up only impacting law abiding folks, who you dont have much to fear from to begin with. You have no effect on folks who get them through other means.


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Your "freedom" is entirely based on your ability to enforce it. When you read about things like "rights" they're nice ideals to have, but in the real world, governments and bad people walk on them all the time without a care. Your only defense is an arsenal of weapons.

By the way, just like how you buy steroids on the black market, criminals buy guns too. And if they're not buying them, they're stealing them from cop cars:

https://www.thetrace.org/2018/11/los...n-police-guns/