I tried to buy a Firearm and the sale was placed “on hold”

[Capebuffalo]

I have the sd3g in my monolithic rail platform. Its very easy to control, and the dangers are blown out of proportion. I even keep the 3.5 lb spring in it. When i purchased it they didnt have the single stage trigger, and it was the closet they had to a single stage. I have intentionally tried to make it double, and it wont unless actually bump fire it.

Maybe it’s just me. My instructor who own and armory wouldn’t let me have one. Maybe I’m not safe and the trigger is. Lol

[Cuz]

Shot placement is everything. You would be an idiot to have a .416 as your go to home invasion weapon lol. I know this isnt what we were talking bout just throwing out the obvious here.

I love my smith but it is absolutely not in the same ballpark as a glock 22 imho. I regret selling the motherfucker

[jstone]

Maybe it’s just me. My instructor who own and armory wouldn’t let me have one. Maybe I’m not safe and the trigger is. Lol

I dont think you would have any problems with it. Its a good trigger, but i may replace it with a 2 stage trigger. That predictable wall you get when you take up the first stage is nice. With the sd3g the take up is miniscule, but the break is clean.

[C27H40O3]

your joking right ?

most battles are taking place in close quarters combat .. not afghan fields. dude wake up.


you see any shotguns filled with bird shot here ? or do you see rifles


I'll post another video up of an ER trauma doctor talking about this subject. he treated tons of gun wound patients over his career and he talks about survival rates he saw personally .. chance of survival from a pistol caliber is pretty good and so is a shotgun wound with bird shot . but getting hit with a rifle round your pretty screwed. this is his first hand account in the ER


bird shot looks good on video when hitting pop cans and water jugs,, and a 308 rifle round may not. but the 308 is far more effective when it comes to thugs breaking into your home. and if your worried about "over penetration" you simply use a lighter bullet in hollow point like a hornady 155 critical defense round.

rifles are definitely used in close quarter, not across giant afghan fields and 500 yards away.. thats why swat team all carry rifles now , not shotguns with bird shot.
FYI - my brother in law is swat .. he don't train with no shotgun with bird shot (unless we are out pheasant hunting)

When I was a kid, and all the way up to around 9/11, the local swat teams carried the Ithaca 37 pump 12guage. They since switched to the Mossberg 590.

Now they carry Colt M4 Commando's if on terrorist duty out in the street or in transit stations. If they are doing search warrants in residences or buildings, they use the Heckler & Koch MP5 in 9MM. And mostly at least one Mossberg 590. They worry about overpenetration where folks are sleeping.

[C27H40O3]

Afghan outdoor fighting:



It shows why they carry rifles into homes, it can turn into a long range fight.

[C27H40O3]

More field fighting from a house:

[C27H40O3]

A 9mm wont even penetrate a windshield of a car at 50 plus yards. The 40 has some ass behind it. A 45 is basically a huge slug with not enough powder imho, the critical defense rounds are much better today tho i know that. But a regular 45 round ehhh what it is 850-950 fps off the top of my head?

Now that 5.56 is probably going thru the house quite easily imo. The thing i like about the shotgun for home defense is the wide pattern. A a 3” OO buck is pretty nasty

Most of us are discussing self defense situations. It will be hard, in most places that I am familiar with, to convince anyone looking to lock you up for shooting an intruder that you needed to shoot a guy in self defense at 150 feet away. that is four houses away in my neighborhood. They will claim that the guy was no threat to you at that distance.

My range time is spent practicing for no more than 25 feet targets. Train under conditions most like you will be shooting. There are no two points in my house with a direct line of sight more than 25 feet apart. My front door is about ten feet from the sidewalk.

I guess you brothers with alot of property would face potentially longer distances.

[Beetlegeuse]

Failure to stop aka Mozambique drill. I shoot it instinctively now. Two to the chest one to the head.
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I call it "the Dalai Lama drill":

[The road]

if that was so on point .. why don't our military carry smooth bore shotguns with bird shot in them? instead they carry AR15 and AR10 and even the militarized police are dropping shotgun for AR15s etc..
yet general civilian homeowners that shop at Walmart are being told to buy a shot gun and bird shot to defend your home ..

you all deceived

Because they arent in a duplex dumb fuck

[Beetlegeuse]

Shot placement is everything....

In 1992, South Carolina State Trooper Mark Coates got into a tussle with a short, stocky man he had pulled over. The fight went to the ground and the Oompa-Loompa pulled an NAA .22 revolver and shot Coates, hitting him in the body armor. Coates returned fire from his .357 either four or five times (accounts vary) all hitting his target COM but not striking anything vital, in large part because he was so fat. As the officer was breaking contact to call for reinforcements, the perp fired a second shot, which went through the left armhole in Coates' ballistic vest and killed him.


I liken shooting to somebody to drilling for oil. If you're drilling where there is no oil, it doesn't matter how many holes you drill, or how deep. You need to pull the trigger with the intent of breaking something he can't live without (because handguns do a shitty job of killing people).



One thing I forgot to mention earlier. Statistically, the chances of dying from a GSW if you've been shot in the head are double what they are if you've been shot but not in the head.

[The road]

Front door...
Pistol or axe

Anywhere else in house 12 guage bird shot

Outside 45/70

Across town 30-06


Nothing would be as stopping as the 12 guage with bird shot at 10 feet.

You dont understand shock factor and displaced energy.

[The road]

Of course though if its someone creeping and I get the drop... I will use my dick and duct tape.

[The road]

Are you on meth GH?

[Beetlegeuse]

...but who the fuck tries to kill themselves with bird shot ?...

If you put the muzzle in your mouth or against your forehead, it doesn't much matter what the shot is, the wad could kill you at that distance. Ernest Hemingway killed himself with birdshot. Leaned over and rested his forehead against the muzzle of his pigeon gun. The coroner noted that he could see what was left of Hemingway's brain stem in the hole in his head because his brain was essentially gone.

[GearHeaded]

Front door...
Pistol or axe

Anywhere else in house 12 guage bird shot

Outside 45/70

Across town 30-06


Nothing would be as stopping as the 12 guage with bird shot at 10 feet.

You dont understand shock factor and displaced energy.

I figured you would forgo the axe and take an intruder out with the size d bra on the door handle... would be more interesting perhaps

[GearHeaded]

Most of us are discussing self defense situations. It will be hard, in most places that I am familiar with, to convince anyone looking to lock you up for shooting an intruder

guarantee your odds of NOT getting locked up are way higher when that intruder is dead and can't testify against you for his own stupidity breaking into your home.

you really want to shoot a lion with a 22lr then go try to skin it and it ends up biting you head off cause its injured and pissed off .. no. make sure that shit is dead

[The road]

If you put the muzzle in your mouth or against your forehead, it doesn't much matter what the shot is, the wad could kill you at that distance. Ernest Hemingway killed himself with birdshot. Leaned over and rested his forehead against the muzzle of his pigeon gun. The coroner noted that he could see what was left of Hemingway's brain stem in the hole in his head because his brain was essentially gone.

I got about ten more.

Tired of hearing gh's dumbass mouth on this.

But yeah...

[The road]

I could go on for days.

To the forehead birdshot will explode a persons head every time.

Again... That is not from penetration. It is from shock force and hydraulic expansion.

Come on in my house little birdies.

[The road]

The chest wounds are from around ten feet.
One was labeled a suicide and that was misinformation on documenting reality.

Notice the bird shot is spreading to about 4-5"

About 10 feet.

[GearHeaded]

you needed to shoot a guy in self defense at 150 feet away. that is four houses away in my neighborhood. They will claim that the guy was no threat to you at that distance.

I don't get this whole idea of range .. 150 ft away ? who the heck does that.. every battle with an intruder normally takes place within 7 feet . why do you keep bringing up that rifles are only for long range ?
they are for defense of your home and property from criminals who want to harm you or your family .

has nothing to do with long range .

hunting is and can be long range sure . but what does using a rife for home defense have to do with all this long range shit you keep bringing up ?
let me guess, you probably have a 380 handgun and a weak 20g shotgun with bird shot in it, and thats your go to .. good luck with that

[The road]

Well hot dam...

What happens under the chin where there is no hydraulic pressure?





But yeah...

Ol GH is pissed off and coming at me still....

Lmfao.

[The road]

Hey gh, show me one of your 9mm chest wound pics

[GearHeaded]

I got about ten more.

Tired of hearing gh's dumbass mouth on this.

But yeah...

in many posts you refer to me as a genius .. and others you refer to me as dumbass , simply because I prefer rifle rounds and slugs over bird shot.
keep drinking up the miller lite I guess

[GearHeaded]

I'm probably way more strapped then you and loaded way. more rounds of Ammo in my gun room then you (maybe not I'm just guessing)..
but you want to call me a dumbass for preferring rifle rounds over bird shot. !!! ???
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my reloading room..

tons of books on ballistics etc as well in there.

yet I'm somehow a dumbass cause I don't like bird shot for self defense ?
wtf brother , now your just wanting to pick shit or something cause you've had a few too many beers...
fiesty bastard, go find some pussy to eat

[Proximal]

Well hot dam...

What happens under the chin where there is no hydraulic pressure?





But yeah...

Ol GH is pissed off and coming at me still....

Lmfao.

Where the fuck were you when I was posting on the guns and ammo thread?

[The road]

in many posts you refer to me as a genius .. and others you refer to me as dumbass , simply because I prefer rifle rounds and slugs over bird shot.
keep drinking up the miller lite I guess

Hey your rifle rounds must be superior.
Im just a dumbass I dont know shit. I got 8 rounds of bird shot in my home defense shotgun.

[The road]

Where the fuck were you when I was posting on the guns and ammo thread?

Couch could show it and explain it better.
He is into that gory shit.

I am sure he has a birdshot at ten feet to the face video from cartel murders.
He had an entire collaboration of rifle shots to the head.

[GearHeaded]

Hey your rifle rounds must be superior.
Im just a dumbass I dont know shit. I got 8 rounds of bird shot in my home defense shotgun.

30$ at Walmart or dicks or bass pro shops and 00 buck with slugs and you'll be better off .. just saying.

my opinion, I simply don't think bird shot is good for home defense when you really need to take an Mfer out.. just an opinion. doesn't mean I'm a dumbass for having 30 years of experience with ammo and guns just cause I have an opinion

[GearHeaded]

Couch could show it and explain it better.
He is into that gory shit. .

he is busy shooting spiders with a BB gun

[GearHeaded]

Well hot dam...

What happens under the chin where there is no hydraulic pressure?





But yeah...

Ol GH is pissed off and coming at me still....

Lmfao.

interesting pics .. but where is the proof that it was bird shot ?
I've shot plenty of dove, pheasants, rattle snakes etc. with bird shot and it looks nothing like that.. even pheasant hunting half the time I got to grab the bird and twists its neck after its shot.
yet bird shot blows and entire full grown mans head off !!??
lol . I call bullshit.

if I'm pheasant or even turkey hunting you really think I use bird shot so I could destroy the entire bird I want to skin and eat ?
if bird shot really blows a 200 pound mans head completely off , then I'm sure not using it for a 2 pound bird I want to preserve and harvest as most meat as possible from.

I don't want to Destry the entire bird with a single shotgun blast of bird shot ... thats what bird shot is for

[The road]

30$ at Walmart or dicks or bass pro shops and 00 buck with slugs and you'll be better off .. just saying.

my opinion, I simply don't think bird shot is good for home defense when you really need to take an Mfer out.. just an opinion. doesn't mean I'm a dumbass for having 30 years of experience with ammo and guns just cause I have an opinion

I pieced together my first "assault" rifle at 12 non nfa compliant.

I have shot thousands of animals.
Fuck... I killed 200 armadillos in one summer.

I was in the woods alone with a rifle at 6-7 at 8 I was carrying a 12 guage and at 9 I was carrying whatever I chose.

I ate slept lived and breathed guns until my marriage.


You wont teach me a damn thing.

Two sheets of drywall between me and my neighbors and no buckshot is not as safe. They have as many kids as I do.

I would have to plan perfectly not to hit some innocent in an invasion with anything else.

I have shot vehicles and homes with everything you can imagine. I have seen the close range carnage to large creatures from birdshot.

I know exactly wtf I am doing and you probably shouldnt say I am stupid for it.

[The road]

Btw no one taught me shit.
I taught myself.

I was jerking off to shotgun news at age 8.

[GearHeaded]

I pieced together my first "assault" rifle at 12 non nfa compliant. .

then we are brothers .. why do you want to get feisty and argue and call me a dumbass for preferring rifle rounds and slugs over bird shot ??

[GearHeaded]

then we are brothers .. why do you want to get feisty and argue and call me a dumbass for preferring rifle rounds and slugs over bird shot ??

I have shotguns and axes just like you do..


but because I have rifles with them

and prefer to load shotguns up with bucks and slugs .. I'm somehow a dumbass .

sorry brother, I'm missing your logic here

[GearHeaded]

Two sheets of drywall between me and my neighbors and no buckshot is not as safe. They have as many kids as I do.

I would have to plan perfectly not to hit some innocent in an invasion with anything else. .

I have a family of 6 and kids sleeping all around me .. yet still don't choose bird shot cause I'm afraid of "over penetration" ... I simply know I'm accurate as heck and stopping the intruder is the safest thing to protect my family . I think the over penetration thing is over exaggerated ..
like Cape buffalo said , he used a 416 Rigby (one of the most deadliest and powerful rounds around) and the animal he shot was still walking around for awhile ..

we are being dooped into thinking cheap shotguns and bird shot is what home defense is . because big govt does not want us really strapped and loaded and able to defend ourselves with the real tools .. just imo

[C27H40O3]

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With a dangerous animal or a person you DO NOT STOP shooting until the threat is down. With the dangerous animal even if it’s down you put an insurance shot in him. Too many have jumped up and killed the hunter that thought it was dead. Always pay the insurance.

It depends. Enough to accomplish ending the threat is ok. Anything more, like extra shots just to be sure, has sent guys to jail for decades. We had an off duty cop here with his wife on the subway, sees a black guy chasing and catching a guy at gunpoint. The cop shoots the black guy and drops him face down with one shot. He puts another into him just to be sure. It turns out that the black guy was a plainclothes cop chasing a bad guy.

The DA charged the off duty cop under the theory that the last shot, in the back to a guy face down on the subway platform, was not necessary.

That cop got convicted, fired, and jailed. Over the insurance shot.

The sad thing was that the shooter cop was robbed on the train a few years before while unarmed. The savages found his badge in his wallet, and said “well, you won’t be a cop anymore after this” , and they sliced off the tip of his trigger finger with a box cutter. Fuckin savages.

He relearned to shoot, but with his middle finger, or his weak hand, I forget. So he stayed a cop after the robbery. Maybe he was still a bit traumatized about subway criminals after his robbery/assault. The newspaper had a nice front page story and photo after the shooting, with the black cop saying he forgives him for the mistake.

Of course he recanted it later that week after some ambulance chasing scumbag lawyer got to him and started the lawsuits. He claimed the doctor had him so medicated he didn’t know what he was saying.

He eventually got hired by the NYC sanitation department after getting released from jail.

New York is known for that bullshit involving counting shots in a shooting. They must want you to stop after the first shot, make sure you hit him in a good placement, check for any movement, ask him if he is finished trying to kill you, and further survey the situation before firing any shots after the first. It defies sense.


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[C27H40O3]

I agree. Caliber choice is my number 2. My number 1 is shot placement. You can have the biggest baddest hand cannon on the planet but if you can’t hit what you are shooting at you will loose the fight. Good shooting is a perishable thing. You have to practice. You have to shoot your gun on a regular basis. Most encounters will be at 7 yards or closer. Oh I can’t miss something that close. You can and will. Or not hit vitals. Practice drawing from concealment putting 3 shots down range in less than 2sec. What does your grouping look like? Will a quarter cover all 3 holes?

Exactly. That’s the way.


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[C27H40O3]

guarantee your odds of NOT getting locked up are way higher when that intruder is dead and can't testify against you for his own stupidity breaking into your home.

you really want to shoot a lion with a 22lr then go try to skin it and it ends up biting you head off cause its injured and pissed off .. no. make sure that shit is dead

No lions in my neighborhood. But folks have died when getting shot in the arm with a .22 when the bullet hits the bone, ricochets into the side of the chest and tears into the heart and lungs bouncing around like a pinball. I’d rather a 9mm hit my arm and break the bone than get hit there with a .22 that will tear up my chest internals after being deflected off that same bone.


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[C27H40O3]

I got about ten more.

Tired of hearing gh's dumbass mouth on this.

But yeah...

As i said, devastating wounds


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[C27H40O3]

I don't get this whole idea of range .. 150 ft away ? who the heck does that.. every battle with an intruder normally takes place within 7 feet . why do you keep bringing up that rifles are only for long range ?
they are for defense of your home and property from criminals who want to harm you or your family .

has nothing to do with long range .

hunting is and can be long range sure . but what does using a rife for home defense have to do with all this long range shit you keep bringing up ?
let me guess, you probably have a 380 handgun and a weak 20g shotgun with bird shot in it, and thats your go to .. good luck with that

You must be posting while high or drunk. I never said rifles are only for long range. They are deadly close up too. My point was about overpenetration with kids asleep in the house and neighbors sleeping 12 feet outside my window. Put the bottle down. Or read better.

I dont keep bringing up long range. I specifically said i practice at the range no more than 25 yards.

I posted videos of Afghanistan because you said all their shooting is done in homes.

If you read the post i was responding to, it mentioned a 9mm not penetrating a windshield at 50 yards. Hence my reply that that distance is irrelevant to me.


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