What's the pulse of the American people, concerning aid to Ukraine?

[XnavyHMCS]

Hard to say. He may have gone dark and then these events gave him purpose or he felt like that was where he belonged.

From what info was released, it looks like he put in some good years, so that's how I'll choose to remember that name

AG, I agree with you here.

It was again, not surprising that our modern day, dare I call them; journalists, got their wording wrong AGAIN; being LATE is obviously AWOL status, but how I always understood the UCMJ, after 30 days you are declared a deserter, NOT fucking AWOL after several years of absence...

Furthermore, nowadays, with the mechanisms of control in place, once you go to deserter status, you can't be stopped by the police or receive/renew a passport without popping up on their screens. After 9/11 the govt. implemented the so called Criminal Watchlist, and a deserter is automatically on that list with a warrant for arrest. Most likely, he had a valid passport when he skated out...

Interesting.

[XnavyHMCS]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian...124943748.html

It doesn't matter if the guy who goes there is trained or untrained; they are ALL WAR TOURISTS...

[Crest]

Many different factors and so many sides it's difficult to know where to begin. EILither way they US taxpayer is getting screwed. Defence contractors, US gov (double dipping through aid + interest repayments + corp tax on defence contractor profits), investors etc obviously are winners.

-Land along the Ukrain Russia border
-Pivot from Russia natural gas and fuels to US (Russia blowing up their own pipelines when they built them and have control of the tap makes no sense to anybody)
-Weapons sales and war economics
-Expanding NATO
-Putin trying to make a legacy for himself

At the end of the day, would US public choose to spend 50b dollars on domestic improvements over handing to Ukraine and defence contractors?

[< <Samson> >]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRpqBTET/

About covers it

[XnavyHMCS]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRpqBTET/

About covers it

Hey brother; no surprise here, my friend.

[Euroholic]

Do you lads even believe that seal was a deserter?
American special operation forces and CIA have been in Ukraine for years. This is well documented.

I would say that the seal was not a deserter but in the interest of plausible deniability because the USA cannot admit to being actively fighting he was very much still serving in his official capacity as active military.

[almostgone]

Hard to say. He may have gone dark and then these events gave him purpose or he felt like that was where he belonged.

From what info was released, it looks like he put in some good years, so that's how I'll choose to remember that name

AG, I agree with you here.

It was again, not surprising that our modern day, dare I call them; journalists, got their wording wrong AGAIN; being LATE is obviously AWOL status, but how I always understood the UCMJ, after 30 days you are declared a deserter, NOT fucking AWOL after several years of absence...

Furthermore, nowadays, with the mechanisms of control in place, once you go to deserter status, you can't be stopped by the police or receive/renew a passport without popping up on their screens. After 9/11 the govt. implemented the so called Criminal Watchlist, and a deserter is automatically on that list with a warrant for arrest. Most likely, he had a valid passport when he skated out...

Interesting.

Edit: One perspective. I couldn't find the podcast so it's a YouTube link. Worth listening to, IMHO. You may have to jump forward some to hear about special warfare operator "Dan Swift".

[XnavyHMCS]

I saw a shortened version of DC's address on the Dan Swift matter, but I haven't the time to check this one.

Looks like DC comes out basically in support of, or seriously considering both sides of Swift's decision to abscond his domestic violence charges (the catalyst for leaving the navy and the country), via first Thailand (as an English teacher working primarily with children, which DC says Swift missed his 5 kids) then meeting his demise in Ukraine.

If in fact Swift did flee, then that doesn't really bode well for his innocence... Couple that with his radical decision to abandon 5 children (this is what I heard, that he had 5 kids) and desert from the navy... Shows me that he fit right into some aspects of the SPECWAR mindset.

[almostgone]

I saw a shortened version of DC's address on the Dan Swift matter, but I haven't the time to check this one.

Looks like DC comes out basically in support of, or seriously considering both sides of Swift's decision to abscond his domestic violence charges (the catalyst for leaving the navy and the country), via first Thailand (as an English teacher working primarily with children, which DC says Swift missed his 5 kids) then meeting his demise in Ukraine.

If in fact Swift did flee, then that doesn't really bode well for his innocence... Couple that with his radical decision to abandon 5 children (this is what I heard, that he had 5 kids) and desert from the navy... Shows me that he fit right into some aspects of the SPECWAR mindset.

Yeah, I was kind of wondering if all of the domestic issues, etc. were working on his mind and he headed to a "familiar" environment or he felt he was undoing some of the chaos he created in his personal life. Hard to say.

I still respect the man for his good years, but the part about leaving children behind is just a f-in shame.

[XnavyHMCS]

Yeah, I was kind of wondering if all of the domestic issues, etc. were working on his mind and he headed to a "familiar" environment or he felt he was undoing some of the chaos he created in his personal life. Hard to say.

I still respect the man for his good years, but the part about leaving children behind is just a f-in shame.

Yeah, I am on the same page with you here, AG; I gotta respect his "warrior" accomplishments. For me, it's a stretch trying to justify his deserting (both his children and the service), but we all deal with our demons in our own ways...

In the short version / Instagram version by Rep. Dan Crenshaw, he talks about how the domestic violence charges may not be as cut and dried, as black and white as our first impression (hearing the charge "domestic violence") leads us to believe. Not only did I have to deal with this issue as a senior NCO, approximately once a month with one of my guys, but I was arrested, cuffed, charged, had to defend myself in court; all because some ex-stripper, silicone-tit-bitch (But those bolt-ons were fun for the whole family... I would get done with her, and you could see bruises on her boobs from my finger tips. Apparently, when they cut around the areola, they severed some nerves and she couldn't feel how hard I was squeezing her. She was a great fuck though. Personified the old adage: Crazy in the bed; crazy in the head.) called the cops during one of our many drunken disputes. So I have to agree with Rep. Crenshaw; the charges my or may not have been factual; but fleeing the country, absconding on an arrest warrant, doesn't loan itself well as far as his possible innocence is concerned. As far as Team Guys go; none of them are cut from the same bolt of cloth, and they are oftentimes quite prone to implementing the more radical of solutions to a problem.

The late Dan Swift must have had a valid passport when he decided to fly the coop, to pull the ol'Houdini, as he would most likely be unable to board a plane being on the National Criminal Watchlist for desertion. In any event, if he was on a quest for adventure, he certainly achieved his goal in Ukraine. God rest his soul.

[XnavyHMCS]

So perhaps, with these slated deliveries of tanks and APCs, we will observe a broadening of the conflict, with UA mounting a much anticipated offensive in the coming months. Although I seriously doubt that the necessary tanks will arrive in time to initiate a spring offensive; most likely we will see these arms on the battle field in the summer months.

And I don't believe that a couple of hundred (if the west furnishes any number over 100) tanks is going to turn the tide in this conflict. One must remember, when Rus. was attacking with armor and mobile forces, they fell prey to anti tank weapons (Javelin / NLAW), now we will see at what level Rus. anti tank systems are developed...

Here again we are perhaps observing the west drip feeding the UA arms; permitting them to stay in the fight, but denying them the ability to knock out the Bear...

Some stats on our Abrams:
The engines in the Abrams are multi-fuel engines. "Honeywell AGT1500 multi-fuel turbine engine"

The engine can use a variety of fuels, including jet fuel, gasoline, diesel and marine diesel.

Fuel capacity 504.4 US gallons (1,909 L)

Operational range M1A2, road: 265 mi (426 km) Cross country: 93–124 mi (150–200 km)

Maximum speed: M1A1, road: 45 mph (72 km/h) (governed); Off-road: 30 mph (48 km/h)

The U.S. has close to 5,000 Abrams tanks in its possession.

[Euroholic]

Giving the tanks to Ukraine is basically a declaration of war. Remember when the USA gave Britain 50 destroyers and then on December 11 1941 Germany declared war on the USA.

Backing one side over another will eventually lead to open conflict. Nobody wants that.

[< <Samson> >]

Giving the tanks to Ukraine is basically a declaration of war. Remember when the USA gave Britain 50 destroyers and then on December 11 1941 Germany declared war on the USA.

Backing one side over another will eventually lead to open conflict. Nobody wants that.

It’s over, we’re fucked - when I agree with this guy

I was just about to post something similar - I really don’t know how Vlad will respond to this at all. “We(the US)” only need to hold off another year until this senile fossil is out of the White House. Will RU wait? I dunno - but, he’s more of a man than many. I’d b getting an itchy finger for some serious underhanded shit to be handed out real quick.

[XnavyHMCS]

Giving the tanks to Ukraine is basically a declaration of war. Remember when the USA gave Britain 50 destroyers and then on December 11 1941 Germany declared war on the USA.

Backing one side over another will eventually lead to open conflict. Nobody wants that.

I would be more inclined to believe that the Nazi regime and AH had other reasons for their mistaken declaration, than the gifting or leasing in September, 1940 of 50 warships; like they were flush with "victory disease" and they erroneously believed that we were an inherently weak nation, infested with the likes of "niggers and Jews". Furthermore, by the time of the declaration, American naval assets in the Atlantic had already been engaged in a shooting war with the Kriegsmarine Wolf Packs.

I do agree with you and Samson that we are headed for perhaps an open confrontation with Russia, if the status quo continues.

[< <Samson> >]

I don’t see Vlad to really want to try to set foot on US soil. But, man - Ukraine already looks like desolate waste land. The Ruskies really kicked up the air strikes & I mean, what’s really left?

US $ over there, what a sham

[XnavyHMCS]

I don’t see Vlad to really want to try to set foot on US soil. But, man - Ukraine already looks like desolate waste land. The Ruskies really kicked up the air strikes & I mean, what’s really left?

US $ over there, what a sham

100% in agreement with you, brother.

Sitting here right now, I can't remember which dignitary that I saw recently on a clip (I guess that a joint or two a week @ my age is negatively effecting my short-term memory after all...), but this guy said that Rus. will never surrender the territory which they have seized from UA; the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, along with Crimea. Makes a lot of sense, if you look at it from the Rus. perspective of maintaining control of their own back yard, and for the security of distance between themselves and NATO. I stand by what I have said repeatedly; if some nation was meddling in Mexico, attempting to entice them into their camp and out of ours; we would come up with a plausible reason to cross the border, and right the wrong. Sorry for the Ukrainian people, but their country occupies an unfortunate geographic position.

Rus and President Putin could NEVER invade the USA; maybe Alaska, until we booted them back across The Bering Strait, which obviously wouldn't take us that long. Rus. is (or we were erroneously lead to believe) a Continental colossus, lacking the necessary lift to effectively project her forces outside of the Continent. Her surface vessels comprise a collective fleet of "rust buckets", which have all seen better days. She does have (again, we have been lead to believe) a significant submarine force. which we would need to contend with, but again I believe they are no match for our fleet and its technological capabilities. One need not even mention, if an enemy is unfortunate enough to gain a foothold on our shores, she would rapidly run afoul of our 5th column of "armé jusqu'aux dents" American good ol'boy patriots, behind every bush...

I am still looking for the comeback in the second round, for Rus. to raise itself up off the canvas, and deliver a punishing attack on UA. This is where my money is at.

[< <Samson> >]

Kamchatka is where the Ruskies have stockpiles of who knows what. From diamond mines to who knows wtf - and at subsonic speeds that shit can hit AK on down in a matter of hours - But, I don't see Vlad being that kind of war monger type of guy


Who knows what he'll do tho - this 98% dead "president" of ours clearly represents no one - but, watching US paid for junk just pile onto your own continent can't make him too happy

[lovbyts]

No words needed.

[XnavyHMCS]

No words needed.

Beautiful...

Anybody recall whether or not these are both factual quotes?

It sounds plausible, and just par for the course, when it comes to our govt....

[XnavyHMCS]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64455123

Interesting read, and it should come as no surprise.

I believe that the best the Ukrainians can hope for is that the US govt. has invested so much money in the conflict, that they cannot afford to let the UA lose the conflict. A UA loss and a Rus. victory would translate to a zero return on our investment...

[Honkey_Kong]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64455123

Interesting read, and it should come as no surprise.

I believe that the best the Ukrainians can hope for is that the US govt. has invested so much money in the conflict, that they cannot afford to let the UA lose the conflict. A UA loss and a Rus. victory would translate to a zero return on our investment...

There is no "return on our investment." We're never going to get back the money we've given Ukraine in aid, we're never going to get back the interest on the money we gave them. The only thing that happened was billionaire defense contractors got more of our money, because their plants in Congress and The White House voted to give them our money to fight a war that benefits us in absolutely no way.

In fact, it's brought us closer to WW3/nuclear war. And for what? I don't care about Russians. I don't care about Ukrainians and I certainly don't care about their occupied governments. Their problems are their problems not ours. We will spend billions in tanks, ammo and possibly in the future aircraft to them, but we can't even have discussion about the "wokeness" problem in America. We can't even guard our own border from the invasion that is happening every single day.

The whole thing is fvuking stupid. And from the average Ukrainian's perspective, how exactly will their life change living under Vlad's regime's control verses that degenerate, Zelensky's? I'm willing to bet it won't be enough of a difference to make a difference in their lives. If anything, it'd probably give them cheaper access to energy since they wouldn't be paying import taxes to pipe it through their country.

[< <Samson> >]

There is no "return on our investment." We're never going to get back the money we've given Ukraine in aid, we're never going to get back the interest on the money we gave them. The only thing that happened was billionaire defense contractors got more of our money, because their plants in Congress and The White House voted to give them our money to fight a war that benefits us in absolutely no way.

In fact, it's brought us closer to WW3/nuclear war. And for what? I don't care about Russians. I don't care about Ukrainians and I certainly don't care about their occupied governments. Their problems are their problems not ours. We will spend billions in tanks, ammo and possibly in the future aircraft to them, but we can't even have discussion about the "wokeness" problem in America. We can't even guard our own border from the invasion that is happening every single day.

The whole thing is fvuking stupid. And from the average Ukrainian's perspective, how exactly will their life change living under Vlad's regime's control verses that degenerate, Zelensky's? I'm willing to bet it won't be enough of a difference to make a difference in their lives. If anything, it'd probably give them cheaper access to energy since they wouldn't be paying import taxes to pipe it through their country.

My thoughts exactly

Where this will go - who knows

Can “we” do anything about it? - nope, just live with it. 5 dollar a gallon fuel & 50 cent eggs

[almostgone]

My thoughts exactly

Where this will go - who knows

Can “we” do anything about it? - nope, just live with it. 5 dollar a gallon fuel & 50 cent eggs

It's almost cheaper to raise your own cackleberries right now.

Gas and diesel are outrageous!!

[< <Samson> >]

Sucks ass, all of our trucks are parked and rarely started - which really sucks for diesels & anything with hydraulics

We just drive tiny 4 bangers & pack that shit like a truck when possible

[Euroholic]

A Leopard tank at a museum in Australia has been graffitied with Russian Z symbols. Hahaha. So much hate for the pedophiles at the World Economic Forum and their puppet Zelensky back home.

The German leopard tanks are going to get destroyed on the battlefield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P0A...ature=youtu.be

[XnavyHMCS]

The German leopard tanks are going to get destroyed on the battlefield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P0A...ature=youtu.be

Your analysis is incomplete; Leopard 2 and Abrams tanks, are going to get destroyed on the battlefield. I fixed it for you...

Of course, this is logical. Any arms on the field are at risk of destruction by enemy forces. But more than that, these machines are now going to fall prey to Rus. anti armor defenses, Rus. hand held anti tank weapons, etc...

I am working right now, and do not have adequate time to respond, but I have some interesting information, received it just this morning, concerning Warren Buffet junior's latest trip to Kiev, and his face to face with Pres. Zelensky. I will write more later.

*Euroholic, I am 100% on board with you on, "A world without Islam." = Make the world a better place.

[almostgone]

China balloon?

[< <Samson> >]

China balloon?

They really need a balloon when a satellite can get a clear image of a license plate

[XnavyHMCS]

They really need a balloon when a satellite can get a clear image of a license plate

Yeah... I'm calling bullshit, like you guys, on that one.

My first thought was, "Now what is our government doing, that they want to distract us from".

[almostgone]

Exactly. It's "meteorological" equipment is the size of 2 buses?

Years ago, on the back side of our land, I found one of the NWS's radiosondes that they send up on their balloons. It was about the size of 3 encyclopedias stacked one stop the others and consisted of some electronic gizmos encased in a Styrofoam box. Damn thing weighed under 2 pounds. Had a plastic mailer inside the box for you to return it.

Edit: I can't imagine what the size of Chinese equipment is that is the size of 2 school buses? Well, I can, but none of the thoughts that cross my mind are benign.

[almostgone]

This is very close to what I found. Hardly the size of 2 school buses.

[XnavyHMCS]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...to-arm-ukraine

A typically "long read" by the New Yorker, but I wasn't complaining.

I searched for an article which I read yesterday morning, where the UA govt. said that they have created some form of assault brigade, composed of "veterans and volunteers" to spearhead an offensive... This struck me as a Nazi Germany Volksturm, last ditch effort... I can't find the article... Perhaps someone else can.

*** Ok, here is the article; I found it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-...204500596.html

I had to go back into my history and search, which is not easy, when you consume the quantity of PORN that I am watching... But, for the pleasure of the perusing audience on the forum, I present a news tid bit which strikes me as more of an act of desperation, than of defense. You be the judge.

[Euroholic]

[XnavyHMCS]

Euroholic...!!!

Right on...!!!

LMFAO

[lovbyts]

There is no "return on our investment." We're never going to get back the money we've given Ukraine in aid, we're never going to get back the interest on the money we gave them. The only thing that happened was billionaire defense contractors got more of our money, because their plants in Congress and The White House voted to give them our money to fight a war that benefits us in absolutely no way.

In fact, it's brought us closer to WW3/nuclear war. And for what? I don't care about Russians. I don't care about Ukrainians and I certainly don't care about their occupied governments. Their problems are their problems not ours. We will spend billions in tanks, ammo and possibly in the future aircraft to them, but we can't even have discussion about the "wokeness" problem in America. We can't even guard our own border from the invasion that is happening every single day.

The whole thing is fvuking stupid. And from the average Ukrainian's perspective, how exactly will their life change living under Vlad's regime's control verses that degenerate, Zelensky's? I'm willing to bet it won't be enough of a difference to make a difference in their lives. If anything, it'd probably give them cheaper access to energy since they wouldn't be paying import taxes to pipe it through their country.

Speaking of WWIII Maybe thats the plan, again...

[lovbyts]

Yeah... I'm calling bullshit, like you guys, on that one.

My first thought was, "Now what is our government doing, that they want to distract".

I sort of hate to keep using meme's but sometimes its easier.

[wango]

An embarrassment.

[Honkey_Kong]

Speaking of WWIII Maybe thats the plan, again...

I'm sure they just want us thinking we're on the brink of the end of the world. It's always some sort of manipulation of the population going on and fear porn is always the means of doing it.

[almostgone]

Just a reminder. Please don't drag any politics into threads. It never ends well.


Carry on.

[Fresh2death]

Just a reminder. Please don't drag any politics into threads. It never ends well.


Carry on.

My parents generation had that figured out. You never talked about politics or religion with your friends/ at parties! Now it's all anyone wants to talk about!!! When I'm at parties, even the people that are similar to me ideologically, if they start in on a political rant, I'll immediately steer the conversation away from it. It's pointless. No one ever wins.