A theory I cooked up; Semi-Permanent Fat loss?

[LeanMeOut]

So correct me if I am wrong then, but after 20 days @ 200mg the most you will have in your system at any time is 540mg correct? Or is my math off?


<<LMO>>

[kingofmasters]

nice theory king, makes sense since the DNP is non-hormonal, makes me want to research somemore into the subject myself! good post

Thanks a lot bro!

[TheChosenOne]

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly.

21 Day PCT (Clo/Nolv/Ldex)
30day low dose DNP @ 200mg
Ephedra, Cafeine, Yohimbine, S. Guggelsterones @ 25/200/5/40 mg
1500mg Vitamin C
600mg Vitamin E
1200 mcg T2
45mcg T3

All of this during PCT? I will gladly be the guinea pig for your theory as I am planning to use DNP soon and will be jumping on PCT in a short time. Give me a bit more coaching and instructions and I am glad to hook it up.

[kingofmasters]

So correct me if I am wrong then, but after 20 days @ 200mg the most you will have in your system at any time is 540mg correct? Or is my math off?


<<LMO>>

Yes that's about right! (36 hour halflife)
Greets
Kingofmasters

[w_rballs]

very awesome read KOM. my head hurts cause i just learned soo much new **** jsut reading what you, bull, and LMO wrote. it also opened me up to trying a low dose cycle. ive always been afriad but after reading what u wrote i think im gonna give it a try. jsut have to decided when.

[spywizard]

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly.

21 Day PCT (Clo/Nolv/Ldex)
30day low dose DNP @ 200mg
Ephedra, Cafeine, Yohimbine, S. Guggelsterones @ 25/200/5/40 mg
1500mg Vitamin C
600mg Vitamin E
1200 mcg T2
45mcg T3

All of this during PCT? I will gladly be the guinea pig for your theory as I am planning to use DNP soon and will be jumping on PCT in a short time. Give me a bit more coaching and instructions and I am glad to hook it up.

and i just got my dnp... and had planned on running it only at 200mg for 14 days... but could go longer depending on the lethargy experienced.. i am on cycle right now.... at week 12... going 10 more........

[kingofmasters]

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly.

21 Day PCT (Clo/Nolv/Ldex)
30day low dose DNP @ 200mg
Ephedra, Cafeine, Yohimbine, S. Guggelsterones @ 25/200/5/40 mg
1500mg Vitamin C
600mg Vitamin E
1200 mcg T2
45mcg T3

All of this during PCT? I will gladly be the guinea pig for your theory as I am planning to use DNP soon and will be jumping on PCT in a short time. Give me a bit more coaching and instructions and I am glad to hook it up.

if you are using 21 days PCT why not do 21 days DNP along with it?
The t2 and T3 should be split up as much as possible for optimum effects
(so 3 times a day would be the minimum)
540 mg if it is PURE Vitamin E (1200 IU) but if you are using for instance Water-soluble Vitamin E you should double the dosage
(since WS Vitamin E only yields 50% Vitamin E per gram).

[kingofmasters]

very awesome read KOM. my head hurts cause i just learned soo much new **** jsut reading what you, bull, and LMO wrote. it also opened me up to trying a low dose cycle. ive always been afriad but after reading what u wrote i think im gonna give it a try. jsut have to decided when.

Good for you bro!
Why suffer the traditional 7-10 days @ 400 mg-600 mg
when 20 days at 200 mg is far easier and yields the same if not more results.

[kingofmasters]

Still using DNP while PCT has two sides --> Just realized this!

If you are using it for anti-catabolism
do PCT @ 100 mg DNP without any T2 or T3

If you are using it for fatloss during PCT (like for instance when coming off bulking)
do the described 20 day cycle
(PCT usually is 25-30 days but that is too much for a novice DNP user)

Best thing though is to use DNP as a cycle of its own!
(So not during PCT!)

Greets
Kingofmasters

[TheChosenOne]

if you are using 21 days PCT why not do 21 days DNP along with it?
The T2 and T3 should be split up as much as possible for optimum effects
(so 3 times a day would be the minimum)
540 mg if it is PURE Vitamin E (1200 IU) but if you are using for instance Water-soluble Vitamin E you should double the dosage
(since WS Vitamin E only yields 50% Vitamin E per gram).

Who carries T2? I know biotest used to make T2 but I thought they quit making it. I am 100% serious that I will go with this combo the first week of Sept and update the board through a Member results page. I may contact you through PM's to work out a few details but I am definetly down for this.

[TheChosenOne]

Still using DNP while PCT has two sides --> Just realized this!

If you are using it for anti-catabolism
do PCT @ 100 mg DNP without any T2 or T3

If you are using it for fatloss during PCT (like for instance when coming off bulking)
do the described 20 day cycle
(PCT usually is 25-30 days but that is too much for a novice DNP user)

Best thing though is to use DNP as a cycle of its own!
(So not during PCT!)

Greets
Kingofmasters

So ideally then it would be better to use DNP/T3/T2/ECY without PCT if coming off a cutter. I was planning on running IGF during PCT to help cut down the catabolism and weight gain also.

[LeanMeOut]

So ideally then it would be better to use DNP/T3/T2/ECY without PCT if coming off a cutter. I was planning on running IGF during PCT to help cut down the catabolism and weight gain also.

Wait wait......why would you not do PCT? I don't think he mentioned anything about not doing PCT



<<LMO>>

[kingofmasters]

Who carries T2? I know biotest used to make T2 but I thought they quit making it. I am 100% serious that I will go with this combo the first week of Sept and update the board through a Member results page. I may contact you through PM's to work out a few details but I am definetly down for this.

Team LR makes it --> They also have researches on their site about it's characteristics (not catabolic, less suppresive on TSH so thyroid than T3 etc)

Also a tip: DNP will provide a hideous sent of it under your Armpits due to the sweating (especially in the last few days) so always wash under your armpits a couple of times a day and put plenty deodorant under it even before bed
(I swear the scent will annoy you in bed).
Also: DNP leaves a foul and dry taste in your mouth all day long; I found out that drinking Diet Softdrinks helps against it (normal softdrinks contain sugar: best bets Fanta, Fanta Pomelo, Fanta Cassis, Fanta Lemon, Coca Cola Lemon, Sprite etc. ALL LIGHT!).
I finish about 2 bottles a day (drinking water all day also gets tiresome!).

Greets
Kingofmasters

P.S. Team LR probably uses ethanol (Nail polish remover) as a dissolver so the stuff tastes like crap, right before taking it, put it in a Empty cap (the cap will dissolve within 2 minutes of coming in contact with a liquid so take it just before!)

[kingofmasters]

Okay due to the confusion of all the posts there is some misunderstanding from my side thus I wrote some false info:

Correction and summarized:

Still using DNP while PCT has two sides --> Just realized this!

If you are using it for anti-catabolism
do PCT @ 100 mg DNP without any T2 or T3

If you are using it for fatloss during PCT
(like for instance when coming off bulking)
do the described 20 day cycle
(PCT usually is 25-30 days but that is too much for a novice DNP user)

Best thing though is to use DNP as a cycle of its own!
(So not during PCT!)

Greets
Kingofmasters

[iNvid]

Very good read kom. I'm starting a dnp cycle @ 200mg/day for 8 days a week from this monday. Will be exciting to see the results.

[Da Bull]

Very good read kom. I'm starting a dnp cycle @ 200mg/day for 8 days a week from this monday. Will be exciting to see the results.

Keep us posted!!I want to run a 10 day cycle just to test the waters.

[iNvid]

Keep us posted!!I want to run a 10 day cycle just to test the waters.

Yeah for sure, ill start a diary on my 1,000 post I talked to a few people and I decided to run 200mg/day for 8 days for my first cycle, then 200mg/day for 12 days for my 2nd cycle. I dont want to run t3 so im trying to keep it as down as possible.

[kingofmasters]

Yeah for sure, ill start a diary on my 1,000 post I talked to a few people and I decided to run 200mg/day for 8 days for my first cycle, then 200mg/day for 12 days for my 2nd cycle. I dont want to run t3 so im trying to keep it as down as possible.

hahaha --> Am I a few now?

[iNvid]

hahaha --> Am I a few now?

Nah, I messaged some buddies on msn and yahoo and talked to them about it. =]

[Da Bull]

Yeah for sure, ill start a diary on my 1,000 post I talked to a few people and I decided to run 200mg/day for 8 days for my first cycle, then 200mg/day for 12 days for my 2nd cycle. I dont want to run t3 so im trying to keep it as down as possible.

Wouldn't a low dose of t3 on the cycle help tho?

[kingofmasters]

In one of the older guides they said, that
after 10 days @ 400 mg thyroid is shut down
while after 20 days @ 200 mg Thyroid is still the same...

If I recall; better PM ironfist or cycleon since they posted all the older guides!

Greets
Kingofmasters

(Yet T2 has some good fatburning abilities, but needs T3 to work properly, so especially in cycles longer than 10 days T2+T3 supplementation is quite beneficial!)

[iNvid]

Wouldn't a low dose of t3 on the cycle help tho?

Eh, I know that thyroids dont get affected for 10 days at 200mg/day. KOM says they dont change even after 30 days at 200mg. Personally I dont want to add t3 because of the muscle loss during it. Even with dnp 's anti-catabolic effects. My first cycle will judge how the rest of my dnp cycles will go. 12 days at 200mg I should be fine as far as thyroids go. My goal is to loose up to 10 lb for my first cycle. We'll see how it all turns out tho. I read about some guy on bb.com loosing 17lb in 8 days. He was using 400 and 600mgs in his cycle though.

[Da Bull]

In one of the older guides they said, that
after 10 days @ 400 mg thyroid is shut down
while after 20 days @ 200 mg Thyroid is still the same...

If I recall; better PM ironfist or cycleon since they posted all the older guides!

Greets
Kingofmasters

(Yet T2 has some good fatburning abilities, but needs T3 to work properly, so especially in cycles longer than 10 days T2+T3 supplementation is quite beneficial!)

So for a 10 day 200mgs cycle,t3 isn't really needed then?

[iNvid]

So for a 10 day 200mgs cycle,t3 isn't really needed then?

T3 will increase the fat loss bro. Not by much tho. You will be burning quite a bit of fat with just the dnp .

[iNvid]

BTW, maybe ironfist or cycleon could comment on the thyroid info. Besides all of us pming them.

[LeanMeOut]

Straight from my DNP source:


"If you plan on running DNP more than
one week you may want to supplement with 50-100mcg of T-3 a day as DNP
shuts down thyroid hormone conversion. This process will return to normal
immediately after the DNP cycle, but for cycles over a week T-3 is recommended
to help DNP operate at peak efficiency. "



<<LMO>>

[kingofmasters]

Straight from my DNP source:


"If you plan on running DNP more than
one week you may want to supplement with 50-100mcg of T-3 a day as DNP
shuts down thyroid hormone conversion. This process will return to normal
immediately after the DNP cycle, but for cycles over a week T-3 is recommended
to help DNP operate at peak efficiency. "



<<LMO>>

this is derived from the 400 mg dose!
The 200 mg dose is an entire other story!

[Da Bull]

Straight from my DNP source:


"If you plan on running DNP more than
one week you may want to supplement with 50-100mcg of T-3 a day as DNP
shuts down thyroid hormone conversion. This process will return to normal
immediately after the DNP cycle, but for cycles over a week T-3 is recommended
to help DNP operate at peak efficiency. "



<<LMO>>

Yes,I was thinking of running 50 mcgs for like 8 days.

[iNvid]

this is derived from the 400 mg dose!
The 200 mg dose is an entire other story!

Can you post some scientific evidence? I asked you in a PM but you may want to post it in here since a couple of people are interested in it.

[LeanMeOut]

this is derived from the 400 mg dose!
The 200 mg dose is an entire other story!

Yup you are correct......at a lower dosage of DNP T3 is not necessary unless used for a prolonged period of time


<<LMO>>

[kingofmasters]

Cycle length depends largely on the individual. At first it was thought that a DNP cycle should be limited to 10 days at the most because the thyroids shuts down and t4 to t3 conversion in the liver becomes nil, however, this is not the case. 10 days is a very arbitrary number. A person taking 200mg/day would have almost completely normal thyroid function at day 10 whereas if s/he took 600mg/day, t3 would be non existent after 3 days. While the t3 hormone plays a very large role in determining fat loss, it should not be a big concern while on DNP because the fat burning capabilities of DNP will more than compensate for the suppressed t3 levels. An advantage to suppressed t3 levels is that the body will burn much less muscle while still burning fat on DNP. Normal t3 and thyroid function is restored within a week of stopping DNP.

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=1182

[Da Bull]

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=1182

YES!!I'm lazy...lol..

[iNvid]

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=1182

Yeah I understand that but where does it say 20 days?

[kingofmasters]

YES!!I'm lazy...lol..

LMAO --> Was actually replying to Invid, since I was PMíng somebody and he thought I was ignoring his PM

[iNvid]

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=1182

Yeah I understand that but where does it say 20 days?

[iNvid]

bump

[bluethunder]

I dont know much about DNP but after awhile I'm sure I will. thanks kingfo

[Maetenloch]

Just to add a data point regarding the effects of DNP on the tyroid, I had a complete physical done during early June of this year while I was near the end of a 3 week 200mg ED cycle of DNP. I was also taking 15mcg of T3 EOD to make up for any reduced T4 conversion.

All my bloodtest results came back in the normal range except for my HDL levels. (low HDL runs in my family and I had this before taking DNP. I'm now taking niacin to raise it.) In particular my TSH level was 1.2 which is at the lower range of normal. Since TSH is inversely related to T3 levels, this means that my body was seeing enough T3 that it had slightly reduced its requested production of T4/T3. So based on this, it appears that at least at 200mg a day there is little or no T3 reduction.

[note - this was a post of mine on Meso-Rx in this thread a couple of days ago, but it seems appropriate here as well]

[Da Bull]

Just to add a data point regarding the effects of DNP on the tyroid, I had a complete physical done during early June of this year while I was near the end of a 3 week 200mg ED cycle of DNP. I was also taking 15mcg of T3 EOD to make up for any reduced T4 conversion.

All my bloodtest results came back in the normal range except for my HDL levels. (low HDL runs in my family and I had this before taking DNP. I'm now taking niacin to raise it.) In particular my TSH level was 1.2 which is at the lower range of normal. Since TSH is inversely related to T3 levels, this means that my body was seeing enough T3 that it had slightly reduced its requested production of T4/T3. So based on this, it appears that at least at 200mg a day there is little or no T3 reduction.

[note - this was a post of mine on Meso-Rx in this thread a couple of days ago, but it seems appropriate here as well]

Nice add on bro.

[iNvid]

Some more info..I talked to my dnp source. A pretty known fella and he told me that a guy ran 200mg/day for 3 weeks straight without any T3. He had blood work done after the cycle and his thyroids were bad normal (still normal, just not normal normal )