A theory I cooked up; Semi-Permanent Fat loss?

[iNvid]

DAMMM DNP ...RAISES YOUR TEMPERATURE TO 50%?!?!?!

Thats incredible! I though it was just 20%!

Damm I defenetly need a source for it!

Mr. Juice

1. Dont ask for sources
2. You sound like you dont know what you're getting yourself into. Leave this thread and go research. See you in 3 months.

[SV-1]

Great post sv-1. Was waiting for you to get to this thread. So my numbers were right eh?

According to my calculations yes. I was going off of this half-life calculator. http://www.third-plateau.org/downloa...flife_calc.htm

I then put your formula (with a slight modification) into excel and it gave the same results.

C(t)=Co*EXP(-Kt)
ct is concentration at time t
Cp os omotoa; cpmcemtratopm
Co is initial concentration
k is time constant
t is time
k=0.019254 for DNP

Example... C(t)=200*exp(-0.019254*36)=100.0003181

Example... C(t)=200*exp(-0.019254*24)=125.9923721



So both places give the same numbers. But maybe I'm missing something, we'll see what kom says.

[kingofmasters]

According to my calculations yes. I was going off of this half-life calculator. http://www.third-plateau.org/downloa...flife_calc.htm

I then put your formula (with a slight modification) into excel and it gave the same results.

C(t)=Co*EXP(-Kt)
ct is concentration at time t
Cp os omotoa; cpmcemtratopm
Co is initial concentration
k is time constant
t is time
k=0.019254 for DNP

Example... C(t)=200*exp(-0.019254*36)=100.0003181

Example... C(t)=200*exp(-0.019254*24)=125.9923721



So both places give the same numbers. But maybe I'm missing something, we'll see what kom says.

Now your both right!
I calculated off the top of my head; the 563 mg
but the international physics formula for half-time is correct though!
And you should keep the error marge at about 10%.
so anywhere between 500-600 mg in blood...

[SV-1]

Now your both right!
I calculated off the top of my head; the 563 mg
but the international physics formula for half-time is correct though!
And you should keep the error marge at about 10%.
so anywhere between 500-600 mg in blood...

Ok, good. You definitely know the math better than I. And I agree 100% about the error margin. Having capped my own I can say that no matter how careful you are you will never have caps that are perfectly dosed.

[50%Natural]

1. Dont ask for sources
2. You sound like you dont know what you're getting yourself into. Leave this thread and go research. See you in 3 months.

Don't be so quick to jump on somebody...we're all learning here

[iNvid]

Don't be so quick to jump on somebody...we're all learning here

Dont be so quick? I told him the rules about asking for sources and told him to research before he hurts himself.

[Da Bull]

Don't be so quick to jump on somebody...we're all learning here

I've learned boat loads in this thread.....this is the best thread I've seen in ages..and No flaming...imagine that.Just great discussion.

[kingofmasters]

Don't be so quick to jump on somebody...we're all learning here

Very true!
Well done!

[SV-1]

I've learned boat loads in this thread.....this is the best thread I've seen in ages..and No flaming...imagine that.Just great discussion.

At this point do you still want a return to your PM, or would it just be redundant.

[Mr Juice]

Dude, you seem quit ignorant! How can someone jump rigth into something without looking what the hell you are getting into? That will only be a fool my friend. I may be Puerto Rican...but in my language I'm not that "bruto".

It will take me a while to gather some information on DNP and what my brother(his a doctor) says about this chemical.

Anyway thanks for the caution, I'm not that stupid.

DAMM...What a great thread!

Mr. Juice

[kingofmasters]

Dude, you seem quit ignorant! How can someone jump rigth into something without looking what the hell you are getting into? That will only be a fool my friend. I may be Puerto Rican...but in my language I'm not that "bruto".

It will take me a while to gather some information on DNP and what my brother(his a doctor) says about this chemical.

Anyway thanks for the caution, I'm not that stupid.

DAMM...What a great thread!

Mr. Juice

I don't think your brother will know it (it hasn't been subscribed since 1930) and after reading up about it like all doctors he will advise against it...

Funny Note:
Hitler gave it to his troops invading russia to keep them warm during Russia's infamous winters!

[iNvid]

Dude, you seem quit ignorant! How can someone jump rigth into something without looking what the hell you are getting into? That will only be a fool my friend. I may be Puerto Rican...but in my language I'm not that "bruto".

It will take me a while to gather some information on DNP and what my brother(his a doctor) says about this chemical.

Anyway thanks for the caution, I'm not that stupid.

DAMM...What a great thread!

Mr. Juice

I read your post and it sounded like you didnt know anything about dnp, and the last thing I want is someone getting hurt or dieing off the stuff. If you want, pm me and ill give you some good links to read up bro. Sorry if I sounded hostile.

[Mr Juice]

No problem dude, erase my pm. I get mad wheyyyy to much jeje. Erase my "PM". Send me some good info on dnp . I need to read a lot of it, specially proper PCT for it.

No hard feelings!

Mr. Juice

[Mr Juice]

Temperature here at Puerto Rico is at 94 degrees. L0L

[LeanMeOut]

I've learned boat loads in this thread.....this is the best thread I've seen in ages..and No flaming...imagine that.Just great discussion.

I agree DB..... this thread is awesome.



<<LMO>>

[iNvid]

No problem dude, erase my pm. I get mad wheyyyy to much jeje. Erase my "PM". Send me some good info on dnp . I need to read a lot of it, specially proper PCT for it.

No hard feelings!

Mr. Juice

Sure thing. BTW, you dont need PCT for dnp. DNP doesnt have anything to do with hormones, and it isnt a steroid . It's used for TNT and as a pesticide. Check your pms in a few minutes for some interesting links.

[SV-1]

Here's some questions that Da Bull sent me in a PM yesterday. He said he didn't mind if it was posted so others could benefit from the advise and to get others opinions (KOM).

I'm going to run a low dose cycle for 10 days just to see how it is.(200mgs),what are all the sides you experienced besides being lathargic,sweats,muscle cramps?

Secondly,I know you said starchy stuff made you feel hotter.that's not a problem for me.i don't eat that stuff anyway.So besides tons of water,basically normal diet(protein/veggies/good fats)what else did you need to eat or drink?BDTR said he drank tons of gatorade.KOM said he drank alot of diet soda.I presume they drank that kill kill the foul taste in your mouth that dnp gives you?

[iNvid]

Here's some questions that Da Bull sent me in a PM yesterday. He said he didn't mind if it was posted so others could benefit from the advise and to get others opinions (KOM).

Hrm, I dont know what foul taste he was talking about. I mean it comes in caps so i dont see how you get the taste in your mouth. And I'm guessing they drank the soda and gatorade because of the sugar so they dont go hypo.

[LeanMeOut]

Hrm, I dont know what foul taste he was talking about. I mean it comes in caps so i dont see how you get the taste in your mouth. And I'm guessing they drank the soda and gatorade because of the sugar so they dont go hypo.

Diet soda has no sugar



<<LMO>>

[iNvid]

Diet soda has no sugar



<<LMO>>

Well theres some sort of sweetner in it

[LeanMeOut]

Well theres some sort of sweetner in it

Aspartame isn't used by the body.....so it wouldn't keep you from going hypo


<<LMO>>

[*Narkissos*]

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/4,673,691

Greets
Kingofmasters

As usual... Great thread.

Big K.I.G. called me at home and told me you had posted it...as usual you didn't disappoint.

on another note.. does anyone know how long the compound DNP is detectable in the body.. and if it is even tested for during bodybuilding drug tests?

~Nark

[Da Bull]

Here's some questions that Da Bull sent me in a PM yesterday. He said he didn't mind if it was posted so others could benefit from the advise and to get others opinions (KOM).

What I'd like to see in this great thread is a diet from SV,KOM or any others.And to have ppl share thier experience and sides they had.I think that would be the final touch for this thread,since it's one of the best(if not the best) DNP threads on this board.

[SV-1]

What I'd like to see in this great thread is a diet from SV,KOM or any others.And to have ppl share thier experience and sides they had.I think that would be the final touch for this thread,since it's one of the best(if not the best) DNP threads on this board.

I'm writing up a response now, but it's going to take a little while.

[kingofmasters]

Hrm, I dont know what foul taste he was talking about. I mean it comes in caps so i dont see how you get the taste in your mouth. And I'm guessing they drank the soda and gatorade because of the sugar so they dont go hypo.

it comes in cap yes, but it's ACTION will make your mouth real dry and have a real yuck! (scientific way to describe it ) Taste!!
So sweets always get the taste away, but seeing we want to LOSE weight
Diet soda is the best option!
(Especially if Ice cold seeing drinking water all day also gets tiresome!!).

They probably use gatorade for the elektrolytes you loose threw sweating, but as mentioned you only need Sodium and Potassium
(Natrium and Kalium for the chemists and Non-Americans out there!)
Sodium is easily to obtain (tablesalt is sodiumchloride/natriumchloride).
Potassium is present in a lot of vegetables, but seeing 1fast400 sells Potassium Gluconaote (16% Potassium) for 3 lbs $20, it is not only cheaper than gatorade but you can also avoid all those fast carbos in gatorade!

10 grams a day is overkill, but I do it never the less...
2 grams is more than enough..
(Without potassium you will get lots of musclecramps and lose strength!)

Greets
Kingofmasters

[iNvid]

Yeah I just got that potassium 3lb bag last week. Its a good buy guys. I capped 100 100mg caps so far and I still have a full bottle of potassium.

it comes in cap yes, but it's ACTION will make your mouth real dry and have a real yuck! (scientific way to describe it ) Taste!!
So sweets always get the taste away, but seeing we want to LOSE weight
Diet soda is the best option!
(Especially if Ice cold seeing drinking water all day also gets tiresome!!).

They probably use gatorade for the elektrolytes you loose threw sweating, but as mentioned you only need Sodium and Potassium
(Natrium and Kalium for the chemists and Non-Americans out there!)
Sodium is easily to obtain (tablesalt is sodiumchloride/natriumchloride).
Potassium is present in a lot of vegetables, but seeing 1fast400 sells Potassium Gluconaote (16% Potassium) for 3 lbs $20, it is not only cheaper than gatorade but you can also avoid all those fast carbos in gatorade!

10 grams a day is overkill, but I do it never the less...
2 grams is more than enough..
(Without potassium you will get lots of musclecramps and lose strength!)

Greets
Kingofmasters

[kingofmasters]

Yeah I just got that potassium 3lb bag last week. Its a good buy guys. I capped 100 100mg caps so far and I still have a full bottle of potassium.

why cap it?
Just mix with some water or milk and drink it
100 mg caps means 16 mg of Potassium

[Big_Diesel]

shouldnt this be moved to the diet section????????????

[iNvid]

why cap it?
Just mix with some water or milk and drink it
100 mg caps means 16 mg of Potassium

I'll probably do that as well. Just wanted to cap a few for fun. But you're right that would be more effecient.

[kingofmasters]

shouldnt this be moved to the diet section????????????

No I didn't make too many friends there...

Second this is a Diet drug...

Looking at all the responses,
we will have to rename this board
"the DNP -users Forum" in a month or three...

[iNvid]

All we need is a good diet posted, like DB stated, and this thread would be #1.

[nobbythedonkey]

A diet while on DNP is nonsense since due to its non-hormonal actions there is no benefit in shifting nutrients.

Just remember that carbs will get you heated
(so after carb intake you will start to feel warm for about 10 minutes, but without carbs you will find everything to taste disgusting!)

the 2 gram per lbs of bodyweight protein rule is also nonsense!
(you will find out that DNP is not catabolic).

I lost about 14 lbs of pure fat while gaining 4 lbs of LBM from that exact cycle! Diet was normal as always and plenty of water!

Also remember that while "on" you will feel fat and bloated and your muscles will be anything but pumped!
Fun thing is 5-7 days after discontinuance you will see the drastic change in the mirror and on the scale!

Greets
Kingofmasters

KOM is right, while on my cycle of dnp i felt really bloated and looked even fatter, then 7 days after and the sides was gone and everyone was asking what diet i was on. felt great, im just stocking up for my next cycle im gonna try a few other dose methods as a sort of mini experiment to see what results i get.

[kingofmasters]

KOM is right, while on my cycle of dnp i felt really bloated and looked even fatter, then 7 days after and the sides was gone and everyone was asking what diet i was on. felt great, im just stocking up for my next cycle im gonna try a few other dose methods as a sort of mini experiment to see what results i get.

yes the feeling one gets one coming off is great
(no more sweating and bad taste etc.)!

[Big_Diesel]

This is a steroid forum, its a drug yes, but not a steroid...........................

[Lozgod]

Da Bull is right, this is the first thread with over 20 posts that wasn't a flame fest. Great posts guys. I am learning a whole lot. :guyhug:

[iNvid]

This is a steroid forum, its a drug yes, but not a steroid...........................

Its certainly not a supplement. So where else would he post it?

[SV-1]

I'm going to run a low dose cycle for 10 days just to see how it is.(200mgs),what are all the sides you experienced besides being lathargic,sweats,muscle cramps?

Secondly,I know you said starchy stuff made you feel hotter.that's not a problem for me.i don't eat that stuff anyway.So besides tons of water,basically normal diet(protein/veggies/good fats)what else did you need to eat or drink?BDTR said he drank tons of gatorade.KOM said he drank alot of diet soda.I presume they drank that kill kill the foul taste in your mouth that dnp gives you?

The main sides I feel on DNP are lethargy, being hot (sweating), being hungry, heavy breathing, and at higher doses muscle cramps (minor). But remember that this is for me, everyone will be different.

These symptoms vary depending on what dose I'm running. At 200mg ED they are relatively minor, at 400mg ED they are more pronounced, and at 600mg ED they are much more noticeable (minor muscle cramps at 600 and none at 200-400).

I can control how hot I feel to a certain extent my eating lower GI carbs. High GI carbs make me HOT, low GI carbs not near as much. The diet I now follow is around 60/30/10 protein/carbs/fat. The important thing for me (in my experience) is to keep protein high, fat very low, and carbs moderate (and low GI to avoid heat). Now you may run your carbs higher or lower, and you may not have a problem with high GI carbs making you hot. Or even if you do at that low a dose you might not care. But you do need some carbs to keep from becoming hypoglycemic, and again that will vary from person to person. To drink I like diet soda, crystal lite, and water. I usually drink a total of two gallons ED.

To combat the hunger and fatigue you can use a variety of things, ECA, ECY, NYC, etc.

But the best thing that I've found is called Phentermine. It works much better for me than anything else. It's a prescribed appetite suppressant but you can buy it on the net very easily (google "buy phentermine"). I recommend the 37.5mg tabs because you can cut them in half to adjust your dose as needed.

Here's another DNP thread where someone else tried phentermine on DNP and compared it to an ECA.

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=114289


I like the idea of doing 200mg ED, but you might want to think about extending it past 10 days. At that point you are almost at your peak anyway, so if you are doing fine you can just keep going at that dose for as long as you want (you don't build up a tolerance to dnp), or until you achieve the results you want (if you haven't by day 10).

[Lozgod]

Its certainly not a supplement. So where else would he post it?

Bro, dont feed in to it, he is a trouble maker, I got links to prove it if you need them. Lets keep this thread in the direction of greatness.

[TheChosenOne]

Da Bull is right, this is the first thread with over 20 posts that wasn't a flame fest. Great posts guys. I am learning a whole lot. :guyhug:

If we could compile all of this information into one post this would undoubtedly be educational thread. I agree with DB this is one of the best threads on this board. When I get back from vacation in two weeks I will let the board know how my experience goes with DNP (including pictures)

[kingofmasters]

Very good post SV-1,
and although Phentermine is a great diet drug on its own, there was a reason why it was banned.

Ionamin as it is mostly known at has been proven to cause Cardiac problems on the long term (and not just in people who are prone to cardiac diseases!)
especially when mixed with fenfluramine (in the so-called Phen-phen cocktail)
it is real dangerous in the long run.
I know sometimes the World Health Organization in its advicing function
over reacts, but in this case there was a very valid reason to ban it (Ephedrine-ban was uncalled for!).

Sibutramine HCL (Reductil/meridia) is its legacy, and works less direct thus being less dangerous on health and although it isn't nearly as potent as Ionamin (20 lbs fat loss in 6 weeks), 90% of the test-subjects kept more than half of the weight they lost "OFF"
(phentermine losses are almost impossible to maintain!).
Sibutramine powder is dirtcheap at anywhere between 0,50-5 dollars a gram.

Greets
Kingofmasters