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    - Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
    - Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
    - Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

    ^^ That means you take 0.25mg today, and tomorrow you don't take any at all. Then the next day you take 0.25mg then nothing the next day, and so on....
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    Understood.
    Regarding the injections (T, hCG and AI), ive summed it all up and I came up with 97 injections, which I presume should be done with disposable syringes. (97 of them). Is this correct?

    T and hCG-24
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    AI is oral, not injection. Yes, syringes should never be reused.
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    Thank you austinite! This post was awesome. So many questions have been answered for me just by reading 1 post. Now to read some more for all the other questions floating around in my head...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmfsd View Post
    Thank you austinite! This post was awesome. So many questions have been answered for me just by reading 1 post. Now to read some more for all the other questions floating around in my head...
    Glad it helped.

    Here's more: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html
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    thanks for the info, decided after 7 years of natural training to possibly do a cycle and although I have done much research before reading this, this was really helpful.

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    guys, is it ok if use nolvadex instead of armidex ? its a bit expensive for me and im trying to reduce all costs. if yes, at what dose daily 20mg ? is it effective ? thanks and great post !
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    As a newbie it was just what I needed to read. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinkalin21 View Post
    guys, is it ok if use nolvadex instead of armidex ? its a bit expensive for me and im trying to reduce all costs. if yes, at what dose daily 20mg ? is it effective ? thanks and great post !
    No. You should use an AI. Nolvadex doesn't work the same way.
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    ok Austinite , thanks

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    Great post. Took me a week or two of research to figure out half this stuff.

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    Looks good Aust!

    I would add:

    Make sure you have GOOD TRUSTED SOURCE and don't buy GARBAGE from scammers.
    It can be really difficult to tell sometimes. My last order was definitely underdosed.

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    really informative, thanks.

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    Question Perfect Timing

    I want to follow this PCT, however I was wondering when I should start it after my last injection of test cypionate . The past 6 weeks I have been injecting .5 cc 2x week (mon/thur). So my last injection will be .5cc of test cyp. Should I start my PCT 18 days after my last .5cc inj of test cyp since it has a longer ester? I know .5cc is not a lot, thats why id like some good advice on when to start!

    Thanks to all who help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonedge View Post
    I want to follow this PCT, however I was wondering when I should start it after my last injection of test cypionate . The past 6 weeks I have been injecting .5 cc 2x week (mon/thur). So my last injection will be .5cc of test cyp. Should I start my PCT 18 days after my last .5cc inj of test cyp since it has a longer ester? I know .5cc is not a lot, thats why id like some good advice on when to start!

    Thanks to all who help!
    Please read segment # 6 again. your question is answered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Please read segment # 6 again. your question is answered.
    Ok thanks a lot! So no matter how small or large the last injection is for test cyp, one should wait 18 days to start PCT.

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    Yes.
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    Understood! Thanks for being awesome

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    Steroid Cycle

    I want to know if i will do only one then do nothing no cycle or nothing is it ok or not
    and what is better first gaining mass or losing body fat. Right now i have 75kg of bodyweight with about 10-12% of body fat what should i do first gaining mass or losing more fat what's better
    and thankyou for posting this awesome thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saleem.fr View Post
    I want to know if i will do only one then do nothing no cycle or nothing is it ok or not
    That's for you to determine, Saleem. There is no way to determine if one cycle will affect you negatively or not.

    But no one does one cycle. No matter how determined you are
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    May u please answer my edited question

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    And what is better first gaining mass or losing body fat. Right now i have 75kg of bodyweight with about 10-12% of body fat what should i do first gaining mass or losing more fat what's better
    and thankyou for posting this awesome thread

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    Saleem you're only 20 years old. I don't advocate your use. Best to wait until you build more muscle.
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    Few questions

    41 age
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    12.5% bf

    1.) I will be doing a test cyp only cycle. Does it have to be 500mg per week or could it be less say 300 to 400mg?

    2.) For an AI- is liquid Dex the same arimidex ? Are the doses the same?

    3.) If it's a test only cycle is Clomid enough or should it still be both?

    4.) If the cycle is 12 weeks how many vials of liquid Dex, Clomid and Tamoxifen are needed or is just one vial of each enough? I ordered only one vial of each from Ar-r ...

    Want to run hcg but holy moly $$$$

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdpeters View Post
    Few questions

    41 age
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    12.5% bf

    1.) I will be doing a test cyp only cycle. Does it have to be 500mg per week or could it be less say 300 to 400mg?

    2.) For an AI- is liquid Dex the same arimidex ? Are the doses the same?

    3.) If it's a test only cycle is Clomid enough or should it still be both?

    4.) If the cycle is 12 weeks how many vials of liquid Dex, Clomid and Tamoxifen are needed or is just one vial of each enough? I ordered only one vial of each from Ar-r ...

    Want to run hcg but holy moly $$$$

    Thank you!

    JP
    1. Well, 300 mg is weak at best. 400 mg would be OK if using pharmaceutical testosterone . Otherwise, 500 is the minimum I recommend.

    2. Yes and Yes.

    3. You need both Clomiphene and Tamoxifen for the betterment of recovery.

    4. Who knows. Always have back up. Your dose could change based on blood results so no way to answer this. If the standard 0.25mg every other day protocol works for you, then you would need 24 doses. The 30 ML bottle contains 120 doses at 0.25mg each.

    If you want to run hCG, wait until you can afford it, or find it cheaper.
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    Excellent! Will make sure I use 500 mg min. Will make sure I have everything on hand.

    Thanks

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    Ok thankyou for advice but tell me what should i do first with my diet will i raise calories to increase mass or decrease calories to reduce body fat what should i do first
    my current body status is
    160 lbs body weight
    10-12% of bf

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    You would be best to do one or the other. It's difficult to do both at the same time. Being that you are at a pretty decent bf% you should definitely increase your carbs. Head on over to the nutrition section. Tons of great Info

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    Dear austinite,

    Im getting blood work done, i have a couple of cycles under my belt with test E 5-600 mgs with a nova only PCT. Is there any other things you would check besides these?:

    1. Testosterone , Total
    2. Testosterone, Free
    3. Sensitive E2 Assay (Not basic estradiol, that's for women)
    4. CBC (Compete blood count)
    5. CMP (Comprehensive metabolic panel)
    6. Lipid Profile (post cycle is fine)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgers View Post
    Dear austinite,

    Im getting blood work done, i have a couple of cycles under my belt with test E 5-600 mgs with a nova only PCT. Is there any other things you would check besides these?:

    1. Testosterone , Total
    2. Testosterone, Free
    3. Sensitive E2 Assay (Not basic estradiol, that's for women)
    4. CBC (Compete blood count)
    5. CMP (Comprehensive metabolic panel)
    6. Lipid Profile (post cycle is fine)

    Well this is the 'First Cycle' thread. Might want to start another so we stay on topic, brother. Also blood work depends on the cycle so be sure to mention what you plan to cycle, how long, list your stats, etc...
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    What is the reason you included HCG in the cycle and not for PCT ?
    On this site on the Home page under cycles it has HCG to be used for PCT
    and it says you can use Dianabol in your first cycle for the first 4-6 weeks in low dosages ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smile View Post
    What is the reason you included HCG in the cycle and not for PCT ?
    On this site on the Home page under cycles it has HCG to be used for PCT
    and it says you can use Dianabol in your first cycle for the first 4-6 weeks in low dosages ?
    Outdated info, will be updated hopefully soon. Read this...

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html
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    Ok thanks !
    and by the way all your threads and posts are really helpful , I want to learn as much as I can before I attempt anything
    Thank You for the information !

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    Quote Originally Posted by smile View Post
    Ok thanks !
    and by the way all your threads and posts are really helpful , I want to learn as much as I can before I attempt anything
    Thank You for the information !
    Good man.

    Have a powerful day.
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    Best article I have read about a first cycle. Has also helped me with the planning of my 2nd. Thank You very much.

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    great read

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    Hey Austinite,

    To keep this short since I've noticed you don't like reading long posts (), I have a collagen or collagen binding protein genetic disorder (eds), which makes my skin stretchier than normal along with tendons and ligaments.

    Does/can test in supra-physiological doses reduce collagen synthesis? (there is an old debunked article floating around the net, but I can't find anything but it when I search for info). I realize that often injuries associated with connective tissues are due to people pushing to hard since muscle grows faster than connective tissue.

    I have read other steroids like deca , eq, or anavar are very helpful with building connective tissues. What are your thoughts on stacking anavar onto the last 4 weeks of a 12 week test e cycle? I know the point is to KISS to figure out how specific substances affect you, but I assume by week 8 I would have a good idea of how I am handling the test e.

    Thanks

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    Hi.Trying to keep this question short and simple. HCG blending to B-12 vitamin,is there chance of getting "overdose"of b vitamin? when taking every 3,5 days? but since im propably going for cypionate because not ethanate available at the moment...so do i still inject every 3,5 days or should i just change it to once in a week,because it has longer half-life and also should i take HCG once in a week too,i read that HCG and PCT remains the same but could it be adjustet when using long ester like cypionate...better to ask than be sorry,thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redfox250 View Post
    Hi.Trying to keep this question short and simple. HCG blending to B-12 vitamin,is there chance of getting "overdose"of b vitamin? when taking every 3,5 days? but since im propably going for cypionate because not ethanate available at the moment...so do i still inject every 3,5 days or should i just change it to once in a week,because it has longer half-life and also should i take HCG once in a week too,i read that HCG and PCT remains the same but could it be adjustet when using long ester like cypionate...better to ask than be sorry,thanks.
    There's no such thing as overdose of B12. Besides, if you're worried, you're in control of how you mix your hCG . So the B12 dose is in your control.

    Cyp and Enan injection frequency are the same. PCT is a few days longer to start with Cyp, as stated in the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirIsaacBrock View Post
    Hey Austinite,

    To keep this short since I've noticed you don't like reading long posts (), I have a collagen or collagen binding protein genetic disorder (eds), which makes my skin stretchier than normal along with tendons and ligaments.

    Does/can test in supra-physiological doses reduce collagen synthesis? (there is an old debunked article floating around the net, but I can't find anything but it when I search for info). I realize that often injuries associated with connective tissues are due to people pushing to hard since muscle grows faster than connective tissue.

    I have read other steroids like deca , eq, or anavar are very helpful with building connective tissues. What are your thoughts on stacking anavar onto the last 4 weeks of a 12 week test e cycle? I know the point is to KISS to figure out how specific substances affect you, but I assume by week 8 I would have a good idea of how I am handling the test e.

    Thanks
    Hey there. This question is not really related to first cycles. Can you please start a new thread? Just want to keep this thread related so new cyclers can read relevant info only.

    Thanks.
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    Hi austinite,

    thanks for the informative thread, I just have one question, which might come across as stupid. I'm very new and don't plan on cycling for at least a few years.

    Is the 600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily only during PCT or is it during cycle and PCT?

    Sorry if this has already been covered

    Thanks

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