lesnar vs fedor

[icepick27]

Do you watch MMA? Did you see Fedor put Sylvia and Arlovski away like it was nothing.. he beat Tim in around 30 seconds and despite Arlovski's ever improving boxing and and speed he took one well placed right that put him away. I don't know what else you need to see but I will be revisiting this thread as soon as Fedor takes Brock out whether it be knock out, submission, or decision. He's a world class Sambo champion so don't expect anyone to be taking him down to easy and then don't forget how dangerous he is from his back. His build has nothing to do with his phenomenal technique and excellent conditioning. How this isn't obvious to everyone who's watched him in action, I don't know, but he's got me convinced. Not to mention the man is a genius and if anyone wants to argue for the side of Brock's intellect, by all means, feel free!

DO YOU WATCH MMA ! I saw ray mercer who is a 50 year old retired boxer also knock out tim siylvia ,and bret rogers knock out andre arloski , they are both washed up ,which proves my point that fedor has been fighting bums , to be the best u got to fight the best ,tim silvia,andre arloski,ho chomin ,matt linland and mark colman are not the best , fedor has not fought any one in 5 years ,he was the best ... not no more ,I think brock ,carwin and machida can beat him

[J-Dogg]

DO YOU WATCH MMA ! I saw ray mercer who is a 50 year old retired boxer also knock out tim siylvia ,and bret rogers knock out andre arloski , they are both washed up ,which proves my point that fedor has been fighting bums , to be the best u got to fight the best ,tim silvia,andre arloski,ho chomin ,matt linland and mark colman are not the best , fedor has not fought any one in 5 years ,he was the best ... not no more ,I think brock ,carwin and machida can beat him

I'm not out to dog on Fedor, I'll give him credit.

But at the same time, he is living off his past in pride.

Remember back 2 years ago? There were these fighters in pride, who were simply unbeatable. They would walk over anyone in the UFC!!!

Wandy......CroCrop......Shogun.....Fedor is in the same boat.

No one thought any of these guys would loose in the US.

2 years ago who was?

LeCheeta? Forrest? even Anderson Silva....

The sport has evolved a LOT since the demise of Pride. Unheard of fighters are now top ranked fighters. Your best fighters in the world, are now loosing fights.

Why do so many guys see it impossible for Fedor to loose? To an up and coming new fighter?

[Brown Ninja]

Long live Tito Ortiz

[icepick27]

I'm not out to dog on Fedor, I'll give him credit.

But at the same time, he is living off his past in pride.

Remember back 2 years ago? There were these fighters in pride, who were simply unbeatable. They would walk over anyone in the UFC!!!

Wandy......CroCrop......Shogun.....Fedor is in the same boat.

No one thought any of these guys would loose in the US.

2 years ago who was?

LeCheeta? Forrest? even Anderson Silva....

The sport has evolved a LOT since the demise of Pride. Unheard of fighters are now top ranked fighters. Your best fighters in the world, are now loosing fights.

Why do so many guys see it impossible for Fedor to loose? To an up and coming new fighter?

well put , couldnt have said it better myself ,fedor is legend,no doubt about it .. but p4p no way ,not a chance and best heavy weight doubt it ,with these guys being so much bigger .,maybe he stil has a chance at light heavy weight . being #2 behind machida

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Agree with this 100% Having wrestled greco, freestyle, and sambo when I was younger the one thing you learn REAL fast is that a persons physical appearance is not an accurate indicator of ability. Some of my toughest matches were against people who looked 'soft'. It's strange. They look like a little dough boy but that work to their advantage. They were capable of delivering those fast, jerky movements with precise timing. You cannot muscle a skilled fighter, you'll gass. Been there done that. From my experiences I believe its the ability to delivery extremely fast well timed movements in a jerky (not slow) manner. Thats Fedor to a T.

Thanks and I also agree. His hips are so fast and his power is insane. I don't know if anyone has seen his hip tosses or watched him train with the huge rubber bands but he was bred for this, didn't just jump in on a fad like a lot of these guys, Lesnar included, and he has skills that take a life time of dedication and natural abiltiy to develop. I only wish I had half of what he does.

[quarry206]

YeA randy did great until one of Lesnars lunchbox hands hit Randy. and i think Frank figured being on his back sucked when he was getting pounded to deat. lol

i realize u are a huge massive lesner fan.. but don't forget that randy stoped brocks take downs and also did very well as stopping alot of his offense, and while on the ground too lots of clean punches from lesner... true lesner won that fight, and fairly, i even am a lesner fan... but don't let how much u like him cloud the fact he hasn't beaten anybody worth calling amazing

mir he is 1-1 with so though we can all say he destoryed mir i doubt its the last time they will fight, and he merely tied mir with wins now....

couture, though we all love him and he is a great fighter, he is way way past his prime and is not a great heavy weight. (but still gave lesner a damn good fight), and the lunch box hands u talk about he took lots of them before getting the one that lead to the fight stopage.. which the hit that actually landed him on the ground was the the rear of the head, a spot that would knock down about anybody....

herring is way past his prime and some ways washed up.. his last ten fights he is 4-5-1.. beating a guy like that isn't much to say i'm the champ of the world

min-so kim is 3-6.. so i doubt we even need to go into why he is not a worthy name to talk about..


lesner has the chance to be great, but he isn't the best ever nor is he some ungodly great talent that won't be beaten....also why is every body saying he gave up millions to fight instead of playing football... the NFL cut him, his offer was to play in europe not america, i highly doubt he would have been making millions

[Hunter]

i realize u are a huge massive lesner fan.. but don't forget that randy stoped brocks take downs and also did very well as stopping alot of his offense, and while on the ground too lots of clean punches from lesner... true lesner won that fight, and fairly, i even am a lesner fan... but don't let how much u like him cloud the fact he hasn't beaten anybody worth calling amazing

mir he is 1-1 with so though we can all say he destoryed mir i doubt its the last time they will fight, and he merely tied mir with wins now....

couture, though we all love him and he is a great fighter, he is way way past his prime and is not a great heavy weight. (but still gave lesner a damn good fight), and the lunch box hands u talk about he took lots of them before getting the one that lead to the fight stopage.. which the hit that actually landed him on the ground was the the rear of the head, a spot that would knock down about anybody....

herring is way past his prime and some ways washed up.. his last ten fights he is 4-5-1.. beating a guy like that isn't much to say i'm the champ of the world

min-so kim is 3-6.. so i doubt we even need to go into why he is not a worthy name to talk about..


lesner has the chance to be great, but he isn't the best ever nor is he some ungodly great talent that won't be beaten....also why is every body saying he gave up millions to fight instead of playing football... the NFL cut him, his offer was to play in europe not america, i highly doubt he would have been making millions

Well said.The hype seems to happen with alot of fighters Jon Jones and Carwin also come to mind. Jones has beat nobody worth mentioning and Carwin beat a hot and cold Gonzaga. Yet people at like he is second coming of christ. Also Gonzaga was handily Carwin before Carwin knocked him out.

[WARMachine]

DO YOU WATCH MMA ! I saw ray mercer who is a 50 year old retired boxer also knock out tim siylvia ,and bret rogers knock out andre arloski , they are both washed up ,which proves my point that fedor has been fighting bums , to be the best u got to fight the best ,tim silvia,andre arloski,ho chomin ,matt linland and mark colman are not the best , fedor has not fought any one in 5 years ,he was the best ... not no more ,I think brock ,carwin and machida can beat him

So beating a 44 year old Randy Couture who gave up 60lbs is what? An accomplishment? And tell me, besides he most recent win, who has Frank Mir beaten? Tim? You said it yourself, hes washed up. Secondly, AA is world class no matter how you cut it. For the last 5 years he has consistently been ranked in the top 10 in the HW division. Does he have a glass chin? Yeah... Does that mean hes not a great fighter? Only a moron would think so. Yeah Tim and AA are bums, both have defended the UFC title multiple times, and Heath Herring and Soo Kim havent done shit and they are what?

Im impressed by Lesnar, dont get me wrong, but to say hes the second coming after beating a 44 year old who he has 60lbs on, and a win off of an overachieving Frank Mir, is insane. Especially in terms of saying he'd crush Fedor who only beaten EVERYONE whos stood in front of him.

Carwin could beat Fedor? Are you high? Who has Carwin fought? A underachieving Gonzaga? Ok... Carwin has never been tested. Cardio wise, and when he was cracked on the chin, it put him on his heels.

And Machida? Seriously, im not one to pick against fellow Brasileiros, but Fedor would get the better of them. Fedor has more tools, and the intelligence to remain calm and pick his shots.

I'm not out to dog on Fedor, I'll give him credit.

But at the same time, he is living off his past in pride.

Remember back 2 years ago? There were these fighters in pride, who were simply unbeatable. They would walk over anyone in the UFC!!!

Wandy......CroCrop......Shogun.....Fedor is in the same boat.

No one thought any of these guys would loose in the US.

2 years ago who was?

LeCheeta? Forrest? even Anderson Silva....

The sport has evolved a LOT since the demise of Pride. Unheard of fighters are now top ranked fighters. Your best fighters in the world, are now loosing fights.

Why do so many guys see it impossible for Fedor to loose? To an up and coming new fighter?

I dont see it as impossible, but to say Lesnar would crush Fedor cause he beat Frank Mir? You guys are riding the hype wagon.

And i seriously hope you are not implying Anderson or Lyoto were unheard at any point in their careers.

[Matt]

Imo Roger Fedor is the greatest tennis player of all time...

[Ashop]

brock will smash fedor the same way he samshed mirr, he has 5 fights and beat two ex champs and possible hall of famers, who do u know ever in history that did this much in only 5 fights ??? thats all i got to say about that feel free to lay your opinion out

I think FEDOR has the best chance right now of anyone I can think of to beat LESNAR. I'm not sure we will ever see this fight happen though.

[icepick27]

So beating a 44 year old Randy Couture who gave up 60lbs is what? An accomplishment? And tell me, besides he most recent win, who has Frank Mir beaten? Tim? You said it yourself, hes washed up. Secondly, AA is world class no matter how you cut it. For the last 5 years he has consistently been ranked in the top 10 in the HW division. Does he have a glass chin? Yeah... Does that mean hes not a great fighter? Only a moron would think so. Yeah Tim and AA are bums, both have defended the UFC title multiple times, and Heath Herring and Soo Kim havent done shit and they are what?

Im impressed by Lesnar, dont get me wrong, but to say hes the second coming after beating a 44 year old who he has 60lbs on, and a win off of an overachieving Frank Mir, is insane. Especially in terms of saying he'd crush Fedor who only beaten EVERYONE whos stood in front of him.

Carwin could beat Fedor? Are you high? Who has Carwin fought? A underachieving Gonzaga? Ok... Carwin has never been tested. Cardio wise, and when he was cracked on the chin, it put him on his heels.

And Machida? Seriously, im not one to pick against fellow Brasileiros, but Fedor would get the better of them. Fedor has more tools, and the intelligence to remain calm and pick his shots.






I dont see it as impossible, but to say Lesnar would crush Fedor cause he beat Frank Mir? You guys are riding the hype wagon.

And i seriously hope you are not implying Anderson or Lyoto were unheard at
any point in their careers.

i never said brock is the greatest and i never ride the hype iam just saying the truth ,i dont live off of what a guy did 6 years ago i live in the present , and in the present brock is a bad match up for him and will restrict all his movement ,technique goes out the window when u cant move .. he just proved that .. and carwin is also a bad match up for him , and machida is just flat out better , in my opinion wait and see . after machida has like 2 straight years of wins behind him
stop living off of what fedor did in pride it was 6 or 7 years ago ...

[quarry206]

why is it brock is 5-1 and against not that great of fighters (or past thier prime) and everybody is impressed with him...

fedor is like 38-1-1 and everybody is saying he is living off of stuff 6 years ago.. .. hell even the guys that fight nobodies none stop aren't 38-1-1..

i think fedor and lesner would be an amazing fight, i would give the edge to fedor, but it could go either way..

[jpl315]

fedor is too amazing...he wins in every way possible and is so good at every aspect of mma...brock is very athletic tho

[lostcause]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bfXRswETb8


this guy beat fedor, maybe he is the greatest in the world.

[Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bfXRswETb8


this guy beat fedor, maybe he is the greatest in the world.

In combat sambo which well close to mma is not mma.

[Deltasaurus]

forget to mention the Overeem will beat the fvck outta brock also

[skitz1]

Fedor what knock Lesner's testicles off.

This fella absolutely dwarfs Fedor, he weighs 330+ pounds, yet Fedor still gets the submission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i0iZcLIrTQ

Get Brock to seriously brush up on some technical work over a couple of years and that would be a ****ing fight.

[southmadejd]

forget to mention the Overeem will beat the fvck outta brock also

Lets wait first to see how Overeem does with being tested when he fights in the states, and I am not talking about being tested in the ring.

[largerthannormal]

lesnar is a fag.... as frank said. i learned that ankle lock my first month of jui-jitsu..and so did i...big or small joint manipulation will take anyone down"hapkido mixed wit some jits" ooooo id take lesnar..

[icepick27]

In combat sambo which well close to mma is not mma.

not for nothing fedor got owned in this sambo match ,and he gassed and got thrown around ,just imagin what brock would do to him,,they would square up ,lock up then brock would take him down and just pound him out the rst of the fight .. bad match up for fedor

[lostcause]

In combat sambo which well close to mma is not mma.

fedor was undefeated in combat sambo going into that fight. maybe he is past his prime.

[PT]

i say lesner crushes him in under 2min

[bigrich4]

This will be (if it happens) a hard fight to call? Fedor is what? 33? so he is not real old, Brock is 30. Brock is a big fast strong guy with crappy stand up. But i'm sure he is working on that. Fedor doesnt throw punches like a pro boxer, but he is explosive and accurate. Ground game is calm and cool and very good. I cant say who I want to win or who will win, but it will be a very action packed fight and and Brock haters and fedor lovers will enjoy watching it IMO. Personally I fell in love with Fedor's fighting style after the Randleman fight, anyone who can have a very strong man jump in the air with him and land on his head looking like it broke his neck and stay calm and not panic is a very diciplined man.

[Hunter]

fedor was undefeated in combat sambo going into that fight. maybe he is past his prime.

Yes I know that, he is not as focused on combat sambo as he was in the past which has been stated in interviews with him. I am not saying it doesnt matter simply saying its not mma.

[Hunter]

not for nothing fedor got owned in this sambo match ,and he gassed and got thrown around ,just imagin what brock would do to him,,they would square up ,lock up then brock would take him down and just pound him out the rst of the fight .. bad match up for fedor

Yeah exactly how it would play out

Fedor would catch him late in the fight by knockout/tko or early on in a sub. You can acknowledge anyones points except your own. You go back to the same arguements even when they are proved invalid.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

not for nothing fedor got owned in this sambo match ,and he gassed and got thrown around ,just imagin what brock would do to him,,they would square up ,lock up then brock would take him down and just pound him out the rst of the fight .. bad match up for fedor

Lol... wow... wow... seriously? He's hard as f*ck to take down not to mention the fact that his stand up is phenomenal. Did you not see that lighting fast right that put AA down? Imagine how much faster he is than Lesnar... if anything he might spend some time pinned against the cage, if he does manage to take him down Fedor is no regular man, he is a much better ground fighter than Mir and will submit him and avoid any of those clumsy lunch boxes on the ground but my money says he uses those vicious looping punches he has on every other person stupid enough to stand in front of him and puts that big goof to sleep! His strikes are amazing and deceptively powerful. Anyone unable to see the truth to this is obviously missing most of the aspects of MMA and to my embarrassment is the typical American that thinks bigger means better. Sorry my friends he's going down like the big oak he is, fast and hard. Can't wait to see this just so I can come back and re comment although I doubt I'll see so many Lesnar fans returning.

[quarry206]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bfXRswETb8


this guy beat fedor, maybe he is the greatest in the world.

yes, fedor is 1-1 against Blagoi Ivanov...

he is still the 4 time world champion in Sambo, 7 time Russian Champion in Sambo..

So just because you find a video of him losing don't everybody pretend that is evidence that he is a fake... plus Sambo is not MMA.. and he would fight lesner in MMA.. were fedor has proven himself alot more than lesner so far..

i'd like to see them fight i think either of them could take it, and it would be one of the all time great fights..

[illwillogical]

My god that right hand Fedor gave Arlovski was fast, you have to see it in slow motion to really see it, he has some hand speed!

[icepick27]

Lol... wow... wow... seriously? He's hard as f*ck to take down not to mention the fact that his stand up is phenomenal. Did you not see that lighting fast right that put AA down? Imagine how much faster he is than Lesnar... if anything he might spend some time pinned against the cage, if he does manage to take him down Fedor is no regular man, he is a much better ground fighter than Mir and will submit him and avoid any of those clumsy lunch boxes on the ground but my money says he uses those vicious looping punches he has on every other person stupid enough to stand in front of him and puts that big goof to sleep! His strikes are amazing and deceptively powerful. Anyone unable to see the truth to this is obviously missing most of the aspects of MMA and to my embarrassment is the typical American that thinks bigger means better. Sorry my friends he's going down like the big oak he is, fast and hard. Can't wait to see this just so I can come back and re comment although I doubt I'll see so many Lesnar fans returning.

fedor does NOT HAVE GOOD STAND UP ,he is a accurate brawler ,his stand up is not technical at all , he got picked apart by arloski , before he threw a haymaker with his hands down and his eyes closed ,he was straight up getting slapped around by arloski ,until aa decided to throw a flying kneee from across the ring and got caught ,fedor didnt impress me at all in that fight if anything it exsposed how flawed his stand up is .....

[icepick27]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...of-fedor-18639

[quarry206]

38-1 with his one lost coming form a doctor stopage 12 seconds into the fight..
which he later came back and beat him in a later fight..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX9nB...eature=related

38-1 ..... when you find another HW that has fought as many greats as him then we can talk about him not being somethin specail... hell if u can name a HW that is 38-1 and fights washed up people or nobodies.. i'll give u credit...

[lostcause]

who has fedor beat in the last 5 years?
1-cro cop, 220 lbs and cant fight in a cage.
2-wagner de martins?-390 lbs of nothing with an amazing record of 5-6
3-mark coleman: a dinosaur who wiped the mat with him for the 1st round
4-mark hunt: boasting a record of 5-6
5-matt lindland: 185 lbs
6-hong man choi: freak show with a 2-2 record
7-tim silvia: cut by the ufc, 1-4 in his last 5 fights, that 1 coming against brandon vera. ntm the ray mercer tragady
8-AA:cut by the ufc, out punched fedor for 3 min until his glass jaw was exposed yet again.

i hate brock lesner but u guys r insane if u think that this guy at 230lbs would walk thru him.

[quarry206]

who has fedor beat in the last 5 years?
1-cro cop, 220 lbs and cant fight in a cage.
2-wagner de martins?-390 lbs of nothing with an amazing record of 5-6
3-mark coleman: a dinosaur who wiped the mat with him for the 1st round
4-mark hunt: boasting a record of 5-6
5-matt lindland: 185 lbs
6-hong man choi: freak show with a 2-2 record
7-tim silvia: cut by the ufc, 1-4 in his last 5 fights, that 1 coming against brandon vera. ntm the ray mercer tragady
8-AA:cut by the ufc, out punched fedor for 3 min until his glass jaw was exposed yet again.

i hate brock lesner but u guys r insane if u think that this guy at 230lbs would walk thru him.

and i agree that fedor's great fights were in his past.. but the point still stands that there are fighters that never ever fight any talent at all, and they don't make it to 38-1 and also have world championships in other fighting areas.

but i personally never said that fedor would run through lesner.. i don't think anybody has.. but lots of people said lesner would run through fedor, and that is something i feel would never happen, win lose or draw

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

fedor does NOT HAVE GOOD STAND UP ,he is a accurate brawler ,his stand up is not technical at all , he got picked apart by arloski , before he threw a haymaker with his hands down and his eyes closed ,he was straight up getting slapped around by arloski ,until aa decided to throw a flying kneee from across the ring and got caught ,fedor didnt impress me at all in that fight if anything it exsposed how flawed his stand up is .....

LMAO. It's not supposed to be technical and it's not boxing IT IS BRAWLING and he never got phased. You obviously don't fight. The guy has amazing hand speed and yes, an unorthodox punching style, but didn't Chuck Liddel??? and everyone thought he was amazing. Anyways you miss the point and don't understand the sport but you'll learn and see.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

who has fedor beat in the last 5 years?
1-cro cop, 220 lbs and cant fight in a cage.
2-wagner de martins?-390 lbs of nothing with an amazing record of 5-6
3-mark coleman: a dinosaur who wiped the mat with him for the 1st round
4-mark hunt: boasting a record of 5-6
5-matt lindland: 185 lbs
6-hong man choi: freak show with a 2-2 record
7-tim silvia: cut by the ufc, 1-4 in his last 5 fights, that 1 coming against brandon vera. ntm the ray mercer tragady
8-AA:cut by the ufc, out punched fedor for 3 min until his glass jaw was exposed yet again.

i hate brock lesner but u guys r insane if u think that this guy at 230lbs would walk thru him.

Just because they gave him easy fights doesn't take anything from him. He didn't choose the fights he just fights. The man is a living Legend and it takes some serious ignorance to overlook it. WAIT FOR THE FIGHT THEN PLEASE, PLEASE COME BACK SO I CAN RUB IT IN YOUR FACE.

[J-Dogg]

i never said brock is the greatest and i never ride the hype iam just saying the truth ,i dont live off of what a guy did 6 years ago i live in the present , and in the present brock is a bad match up for him and will restrict all his movement ,technique goes out the window when u cant move .. he just proved that .. and carwin is also a bad match up for him , and machida is just flat out better , in my opinion wait and see . after machida has like 2 straight years of wins behind him
stop living off of what fedor did in pride it was 6 or 7 years ago ...

I agree,

Fedor has not fought the last 2 guys, that where his top contenders.

Randy, and now Brock.

He fought Timmy and Aroloski.

Arloski beat....Ben Rothwell and that short fat guy, and all the sudden his rankings shot way the eff up. After going through a slump.

The biggest thing Fedor has going for him is he could make LHW, but he's smart for staying in the HW class, cause it's pound for pound, the weakest class in MMA.

[roid_rage]

Is as simple as this..

Tim Sylvia (biggest Randy win) was top 10.
AA ranked IN ALL rankings top 3 (at the time)
Barnett ranked in ALL rankings 2.

What el can you ask?

Can brock beat Fedor. Sure, he is a freak of nature, but saying he has beating better competition just makes you look stupid.

HH 7 years past his PRIME... Fedor put the worst beating on him WHEN HE WAS AT HIS PRIME (was for the 1# contender of the PRIDE title)
Couture, one year lay off 44 years old giving up 60 pounds,who's biggest win at HW was Sylvia, who took him 5 freaking rounds??
Mir. Good win.

But comparing who they have fought is ridiculous.

By the way, Icepick, I think Freddy Roach would know a little bet more than you an the rest of us about boxing, he trained AS and said pretty much, his boxing SUCKS, though he trained AA and wanted to make him box. So "dominated" for 3 minutes (wich it didnt happen, if you arent blind, you can see the 10000000 gifts there are post were it cleary shows AA did not even land one clear shot) by a guy with probably the best hands in the sport inst that bad. Not to mention he Kod the guy out.

[roid_rage]

Affliction Card Is Final!

read the post, ppl being saying about fedor the same thing over and over and over, and the guy always proves them wrong...

[southmadejd]

Let me ask you this IcePick??? If Fedor beats Barnett will that at least shut you up a little bit? You say you like Fedor and yet every thread you make and every post you make is just berating him. Just stfu for a little bit.

[Brown Ninja]

^^^Great point. If Fedor wins you have to eat a fat shit sandwich and if Barnett wins we will do the same. Not as if there is a lot of shame losing to Barnett but your hate of Fedor seems a little off base