lesnar vs fedor

[Hunter]

^^^Great point. If Fedor wins you have to eat a fat shit sandwich and if Barnett wins we will do the same. Not as if there is a lot of shame losing to Barnett but your hate of Fedor seems a little off base

Fedor teabagged him that is why he hates him so much. Also he(icepick) has said barnett isnt shit. I personally see barnett winning his fedor fight then hopefully going in and beating the hell out of brock. A in shape barnett is very very hard to beat.

[WARMachine]

Just heard.

Barnett is out for the fight. CSAC will not grant him a license. Vitor says he will step in and fight Fedor. I think they should be calling Fabrico Werdum personally, also, its rumored that Bobby Lashley could step in. But Vitor has already agreed in principle.

[QuieTSToRM33]

I really hope that's not true ... I'm so interested in seeing Vitor and Jorge go at it.

[Brown Ninja]

Having Belfort fight Fedor is a joke

[icepick27]

didnt verdoom just come in the ufc looking like a guy sitting at the end of a bar stool and get knocked the **** out ???

[WARMachine]

Man all you do is talk shit about guys who arent in the UFC huh? Im willing to bet youve never seen him fight...

[quarry206]

icepick is the secret SN of dana white

[icepick27]

Haha , really ? I seen win win the grand pri ,I seen him beat nappa , twice , ...see the problem with u is your stuck on what guys did 5 years ago I live in the present .and in the present he just got in the ring out of shape over weight and got kod ...and I do favor ufc fighters iam not going to lie .. But for good reason they are the best ..

[icepick27]

O and verdoom always had a problem with training ,he is one of those guys who is probaly one of the best in the world when he trains right ,but his heart aint always in it

[southmadejd]

Dude your best argument for the UFC Heavyweights is saying Lesnar and Carwin are the best in the world. Your point is completely mute the second you say Carwin is one of the Top 5 best heavys out there. He still needs to come a long way IMHO.

And plus you are just f-cking annoying the way you constantly talk sh-t about Fedor for no reason. Saying Lesnar will smash him isn't going to get him in the UFC. Do you think Fedor is reading this thread right now and thinking "Man I have to prove Icepick27 wrong right after I get done f-cking his mom in the ass". No he is going to do what is best for him. Which is to keep making money to support himself and his family.

[icepick27]

That last thread was just so dooshy what a pillow biter.. Listen terd boy the only reason I talk shit on feodor is that I hate when people say he's the best when he hasn't done shit in 5 years .just sit down before u type anything and tell me who has he fought in 5 years .... and then I can laugh a little bit ...
If fedor goes to the ufc and kicks ass I will be the first person to say iam a asshole iam wrong , but if he don't he can not be at the top no more based off of what he done 5 years ago ,

[quarry206]

That last thread was just so dooshy what a pillow biter.. Listen terd boy the only reason I talk shit on feodor is that I hate when people say he's the best when he hasn't done shit in 5 years .just sit down before u type anything and tell me who has he fought in 5 years .... and then I can laugh a little bit ...
If fedor goes to the ufc and kicks ass I will be the first person to say iam a asshole iam wrong , but if he don't he can not be at the top no more based off of what he done 5 years ago ,

ok , Icepick, I will give you that. quality has gone down (alittle).. but no actual educated people in the sport have said that fedor would destory lesner, actually we all agre it would be a good fight.. we only totally dis agree with anybody saying lesner is a sure thing.

and though people say the quality of fedors fights have gone down, it is still above 90% of other HWs... and even lesner himself said he thinks he is a few fights away from stepping in with fedor.. but looks forward to that fight when it comes.

by the way, i'm not quoting lesner, but that is in a round about way what he did say on the jim rome radio show two days ago

[southmadejd]

That last thread was just so dooshy what a pillow biter.. Listen terd boy the only reason I talk shit on feodor is that I hate when people say he's the best when he hasn't done shit in 5 years .just sit down before u type anything and tell me who has he fought in 5 years .... and then I can laugh a little bit ...
If fedor goes to the ufc and kicks ass I will be the first person to say iam a asshole iam wrong , but if he don't he can not be at the top no more based off of what he done 5 years ago ,

Really man, "terd boy", "pillow biter"???? What are you 13? I agree that he has not fought top tier fighters as of late but he isn't dodging anybody. I wish the contract negotiations were made public between everybody so we would no which side is being more unreasonable. But you talk shit about a champion who is very humble and gracious. Like I said before, we all want to see him come to the UFC and fight the best.....but you have to admit that shit has definitely gone down hill now that Affliction has scrapped the whole Trilogy card and now they will probably sting Fedor around for another year before they find him one last fight and he can get out of his contract. Barnett testing positive f-cked alot of things up.

But really man, stop with the name calling and I promise I will stop talking about how Fedor f-cks your whore of a mother in the ass every night.

[icepick27]

qaurry , good post ,i understand what yous are saying ,..i do bash fedor a little bitt , and i shouldnt cause he is great , .. but i just go nutz when people say he is p4p the best .. cause he is not ,you cant be with the nactivity he has there are guys out there are fighting the best every month (gsp, anderson silva ) .. at heavyweight he probaly is the best ,but it is dabatable with all this new talent comming up and guys 3x bigger then him. all as iam saying is u cant still be p4p the best not fighting no one in 5 years ,he is a great hall of fame fighter ,but he gets older and slower just like every one else ,hes not superman ,like every one make him out to be ... thats my point

o and for the sake of this thread please stop with the fedor ****ing my mom joke its so corny dude ... go watch yoo mamma again and come up with some new shiit ..

[icepick27]

[southmadejd]

Bro, I never said he is P4P the best but he is definitely in the discussion.
And I think most of us understand Fedor gets older and slower, but really it seems like early 30s is the prime of most fighters careers at least in MMA. And that is what he is in, and also that is what Brock is in. I personally would love to see that fight. I really have no idea what will happen, but you make it seem like it is written in stone that you would pick Brock to destroy Fedor like he did Mir. Which basically means you are saying Mir and Fedor are the same caliber fighter which is a f-cking joke. Would Fedor be in trouble if Brock got on top of him.....yeah....is it a possibility that Brock could take down Fedor....hell yeah. But I think Fedor can defend himself much better than that pathetic showing Mir did at UFC 100.

[icepick27]

Bro, I never said he is P4P the best but he is definitely in the discussion.
And I think most of us understand Fedor gets older and slower, but really it seems like early 30s is the prime of most fighters careers at least in MMA. And that is what he is in, and also that is what Brock is in. I personally would love to see that fight. I really have no idea what will happen, but you make it seem like it is written in stone that you would pick Brock to destroy Fedor like he did Mir. Which basically means you are saying Mir and Fedor are the same caliber fighter which is a f-cking joke. Would Fedor be in trouble if Brock got on top of him.....yeah....is it a possibility that Brock could take down Fedor....hell yeah. But I think Fedor can defend himself much better than that pathetic showing Mir did at UFC 100.

i agree with you good point ,and do think fedor can beat brock i just think that it is unlikely giving he always had a little troube when he got took down by bigger fighters and strong wreslters ,and they are brocks strengths. ho min chi held him down and bust fedor up pretty bad on the ground , and brock is 100x better and stronger then him ..

[southmadejd]

i agree with you good point ,and do think fedor can beat brock i just think that it is unlikely giving he always had a little troube when he got took down by bigger fighters and strong wreslters ,and they are brocks strengths. ho min chi held him down and bust fedor up pretty bad on the ground , and brock is 100x better and stronger then him ..

Yes, I believe Brock is 100x better than Hong Man Choi....at least I think that is who you were talking about. But there is no way Fedor would fight Lesnar the same way he fought Choi. If you remember, Fedor was running up to Choi and just trying to get him on the ground any way possible because he knew he would be able to submit him. No way he fights Lesnar that way.

What scares me is the cage, never seen Fedor fight in a cage, not sure if he ever has but I think that greatly benefits Lesnar and Couture.

So Icepick, if Lesnar and Fedor fight, who would you root for?

[Hunter]

Yes, I believe Brock is 100x better than Hong Man Choi....at least I think that is who you were talking about. But there is no way Fedor would fight Lesnar the same way he fought Choi. If you remember, Fedor was running up to Choi and just trying to get him on the ground any way possible because he knew he would be able to submit him. No way he fights Lesnar that way.

What scares me is the cage, never seen Fedor fight in a cage, not sure if he ever has but I think that greatly benefits Lesnar and Couture.

So Icepick, if Lesnar and Fedor fight, who would you root for?

Think of the fedor being able to use elbows, that could get very ugly for anyone under him.

[PistolPete33]

This fight can happen for sure. My money is on Fedor as I don't like Lesnar because of his antics in his last fight.

[southmadejd]

Think of the fedor being able to use elbows, that could get very ugly for anyone under him.

Dude, that is very true....I didn't even think about that. I still think it will be very hard, even for someone of Fedor's caliber to hold down someone as big as Brock for very long.

[quarry206]

Dude, that is very true....I didn't even think about that. I still think it will be very hard, even for someone of Fedor's caliber to hold down someone as big as Brock for very long.

though i do agree with you, that the size and power of lesner is hard to man handle or totally control.. but if you watch when he fought Randy C, lesner was stopped more than once on his take downs and was not completely controling while on the ground..

now it is true lesner gets better and better as he goes (in theory)... but fedor is a seasoned fighter, and a very good one at that. . . So in my mind this is a fight that would make or break either one of them of their god like status....

[Hunter]

Dude, that is very true....I didn't even think about that. I still think it will be very hard, even for someone of Fedor's caliber to hold down someone as big as Brock for very long.

Fedor really doesnt have to hold anyone down long to inflict massive damage. He changed the way people look at GnP and he did it without elbows. Its a double sides sword with him in a cage against brock. He sweeps brock and brock is against the cage its going to get ugly quick. Brock gets him up against the cage he is trapped.

Now in the mir fight, he let brock smash him in the face and smiled. He really didnt try to defend himself at all or get back to guard nothing. He smiled and got punched in the face. Before icepick runs in here and starts yapping, Mir could have down so much more in the first round and didnt. 2nd run Brock had him pinned up on the cage and Mir was in trouble becouse of Brocks doing not his own. First he did that retarded jumping knee well that close to a cage with a wrestler as sound as Brock is another mistake. Brock beat Mir fair and square but Mir did nothing to help his own case.

Fedor has amazing hand speed and hit very very hard and its not real orthodox which is going to present problems for Brock. Brocks has one weapon a straight right. Fedor also has decent kicks. Brock wouldnt strike with Fedor.

Brock is an amazing wrestler but Randy managed to fend off some of his takedowns well pressed up on the cage even. Showing brocks wrestling is not unstopable. We saw his ground and pound against herring and no one should have been overly impressed Fedor stopped herring when herring was in his prime. I am not going to get into the mir fight since I covered it(my opinion of it) already. Will brock be able to take fedor down? yes. Anytime he wants? No. In those failed attempts thats when fedor can make him pay.

Submissions arent even close Fedor by a landslide. The real question is can his guard work keep him from taking damage well looking to sweep, sub or get a stand up called? I think yes. I dont see him sweeping him but I do see him avoiding damage and looking for a sub or just keeping him from inflicting damage till a stand up is called. On top fedor doesnt have to pass brocks guard to inflict massive damage well I see brock having to pass fedors guard to do damage. On the cage tho brock would have a much higher success with his GnP

We have seen fedor adapt and win fights well in the heat of a scrap. We have see him go the distance. Seen him take abuse and win. You cant say the same for brock.

[roid_rage]

didnt verdoom just come in the ufc looking like a guy sitting at the end of a bar stool and get knocked the **** out ???

who the **** is verdoom?????

I love when noobs try to make them self look like they are old time MMA fans lol... Fedor not doing sh** in the past 5 years? He fought CC at 2005, that's 4 years, He fought Mark Hunt then, who was thought AT THE TIME, someone who could really beat him, He fought Tim who at the time was ranked top 10, he fought AA who AT THE TIME was top 3 (IN EVERY SINGLE RANKING), is not Fedor's fault that the HWd is pretty weak, nor his fault that AA got KTFO by Rogers. When you are talking about the competition Fedor has fougth, gotta place your self in the time and moment, and you OBVIUSLY werent around (probably were enjoing WWE) there's nothing wrong with being new to the sport, but bashing the best HW in the history is ridiculous, specially based on sh** you have no idea of.

By the way, it's absolutely impossible to be a hardocore long time fan and call Werdum Verdoom, or Hong man choi Hi min chi lol...

[southmadejd]

Fedor really doesnt have to hold anyone down long to inflict massive damage. He changed the way people look at GnP and he did it without elbows. Its a double sides sword with him in a cage against brock. He sweeps brock and brock is against the cage its going to get ugly quick. Brock gets him up against the cage he is trapped.

Now in the mir fight, he let brock smash him in the face and smiled. He really didnt try to defend himself at all or get back to guard nothing. He smiled and got punched in the face. Before icepick runs in here and starts yapping, Mir could have down so much more in the first round and didnt. 2nd run Brock had him pinned up on the cage and Mir was in trouble becouse of Brocks doing not his own. First he did that retarded jumping knee well that close to a cage with a wrestler as sound as Brock is another mistake. Brock beat Mir fair and square but Mir did nothing to help his own case.

Fedor has amazing hand speed and hit very very hard and its not real orthodox which is going to present problems for Brock. Brocks has one weapon a straight right. Fedor also has decent kicks. Brock wouldnt strike with Fedor.

Brock is an amazing wrestler but Randy managed to fend off some of his takedowns well pressed up on the cage even. Showing brocks wrestling is not unstopable. We saw his ground and pound against herring and no one should have been overly impressed Fedor stopped herring when herring was in his prime. I am not going to get into the mir fight since I covered it(my opinion of it) already. Will brock be able to take fedor down? yes. Anytime he wants? No. In those failed attempts thats when fedor can make him pay.

Submissions arent even close Fedor by a landslide. The real question is can his guard work keep him from taking damage well looking to sweep, sub or get a stand up called? I think yes. I dont see him sweeping him but I do see him avoiding damage and looking for a sub or just keeping him from inflicting damage till a stand up is called. On top fedor doesnt have to pass brocks guard to inflict massive damage well I see brock having to pass fedors guard to do damage. On the cage tho brock would have a much higher success with his GnP

We have seen fedor adapt and win fights well in the heat of a scrap. We have see him go the distance. Seen him take abuse and win. You cant say the same for brock.

Well put bro. You seem very well informed. Do you train? When it all boils down to it, I just want to see them fight, and then I want to see Fedor knock Brock the f-ck out.

[southmadejd]

who the **** is verdoom?????

I love when noobs try to make them self look like they are old time MMA fans lol... Fedor not doing sh** in the past 5 years? He fought CC at 2005, that's 4 years, He fought Mark Hunt then, who was thought AT THE TIME, someone who could really beat him, He fought Tim who at the time was ranked top 10, he fought AA who AT THE TIME was top 3 (IN EVERY SINGLE RANKING), is not Fedor's fault that the HWd is pretty weak, nor his fault that AA got KTFO by Rogers. When you are talking about the competition Fedor has fougth, gotta place your self in the time and moment, and you OBVIUSLY werent around (probably were enjoing WWE) there's nothing wrong with being new to the sport, but bashing the best HW in the history is ridiculous, specially based on sh** you have no idea of.

By the way, it's absolutely impossible to be a hardocore long time fan to call Werdum Verdoom, or Hong man choi Hi min chi lol...

Lol. Yeah I wasn't even sure if he was talking about Hong Man Choi when I saw that. I actually started racking my brain and wondered if Fedor ever fought somebody called Hi min Chi that I didn't know about.

[Hunter]

Well put bro. You seem very well informed. Do you train? When it all boils down to it, I just want to see them fight, and then I want to see Fedor knock Brock the f-ck out.

I wrestled for a D1 college. Train at a small bjj academy but nothing special. I boxed off and on throughout my youth like 5-18. I have fought as an amatuer but it was more toughman then anything no real fighters. I have ties with the minneapolis martial arts academy becouse guys I wrestled with or knew through wrestling train there. At the end of the day I am just a very big fan of mma.

[icepick27]

iam not even going to answer ROID RAGE , HE IS WAY TO SMART FOR ME AND KNOWS WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE SPORT that he he fogot that he fought matt liland ,and mark colman ,(did i spell it right?) two more studs that fedor has fought he fought 3 washed up fighters a middle weight and a freak show ...o and the great mark hunt by the way were is he now ? washing cars some were ?..Southmade you make good points and i only bash fedor becuase of the p4p thing ...he is the best heavyweight cause of what he did in his career,not in the past 5 years ...i would root for lesnar ,i hate what he did after the mir fight and he needs to know this aint the wwe ..but i just thinkl he is amazing because of how big he is and how well he moves he is a monster,and beacuse he would probaly be the underdog ..and if fedor was to win i would have to tell every one that i was wrong and that iam a jerkoff

[icepick27]

iam done bashing fedor he is great i said this before i just think that if to be p4p you got to do more then he did lately ... and that there is a very good chance that if he does go to the ufc he could lose he is not suoerman ..and if he goes there and wins then i will eat my words

[Hunter]

iam not even going to answer ROID RAGE , HE IS WAY TO SMART FOR ME AND KNOWS WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE SPORT that he he fogot that he fought matt liland ,and mark colman ,(did i spell it right?) two more studs that fedor has fought he fought 3 washed up fighters a middle weight and a freak show ...o and the great mark hunt by the way were is he now ? washing cars some were ?..Southmade you make good points and i only bash fedor becuase of the p4p thing ...he is the best heavyweight cause of what he did in his career,not in the past 5 years ...i would root for lesnar ,i hate what he did after the mir fight and he needs to know this aint the wwe ..but i just thinkl he is amazing because of how big he is and how well he moves he is a monster,and beacuse he would probaly be the underdog ..and if fedor was to win i would have to tell every one that i was wrong and that iam a jerkoff

Yeah matt bumped up to fight it and not his best win but matt is one of the best mw of all time and tough against anyone. He fought rampage to a split dec in a fight, I believe he won. He has a incredible list of opponents he has beaten.

Mark Hunt was right around top 10 when Fedor beat him. Mark is a K1 champion and in mma beat silva and CroCop when he was a force to be reckoned with.

Really the only part you get right is that your a jerkoff.

[icepick27]

I can't believe iam fighting about mark hunt ? ..

[lostcause]

fedor would def have to change his stratagy of not training for a particular opponent if he fights lesner. randy had success only because of his great game planning vs lesner. just my opinion, that will be fedor's achillies hill if he comes to the ufc and has to fight more than once a year.

[roid_rage]

Yeah matt bumped up to fight it and not his best win but matt is one of the best mw of all time and tough against anyone. He fought rampage to a split dec in a fight, I believe he won. He has a incredible list of opponents he has beaten.

Mark Hunt was right around top 10 when Fedor beat him. Mark is a K1 champion and in mma beat silva and CroCop when he was a force to be reckoned with.

Really the only part you get right is that your a jerkoff.

see man, that's the problem I have with noobs trying to look "I know everything" and totally disrespecting fighters... Mark Hunt where is he now he asks...how is that Fedor's fault? should the promoters back in the time had to look into a magic ball that can tell the future and say, hell, let's not make Fedor vs Hunt since Hunt will suck in the future? Hunt had beaten Silva and CC, and that was pretty f** big back there. You bashig fedor for fighting lindland, well, how about you bash AS for cutting 35 pounds to fight MWs, and not only MWs, Cote, Irvin and Thales Leites, GTFO... And again, There is a reason why rankins are made, and Tim and AA were both top ten, being AA top 3. If he had beaten Rogers, he would've still being consider top 3. But of course, I think Carwin and Lesnar did much more than fedor hu? Carwin who had beaten 10 mega cans and one B level fighters, and all the sudden is top %? or lesnar who got the title shot by beating to a decision a 7 years past his prime HH?? then went to beat 44 years old one year lay off couture? Mir is his only real big win. Like I said, does that mean Lesnar wont be able to beat him, nop, Lensar can very well beat him, I dont think Fedor has ever fought a guy like him, but descreting Fedor's competition is plain and stupidly ridiculous.

PS: I have no problem with misspelling the fighters names, just shows that you are pretty new to the sport, but youre trying to look hardcore. Like I said, there is nothing wrong with being new to the sport, just dont talk about things you dont know.

[icepick27]

if fedor did have a magic ball he wouldnt have fought bums for this long ,yea AA and Tim siylvia were ranked but they ****ing blew at the time AA JUST BEAT BEN rothwell and roy nelson how ****ed did he even get ranked ?? and tim siylvia just lost 2 out of his last 3 fights and alomost lost to vera ?? now are you still going to say they are good ?the rankings dont mean ****ing shit lesnar is #2 in the world ,and carwin is definlitly top 10 ,and i cant belive you are bashing silva ...,was that harcore enough ? i dont want to look new any more

[icepick27]

ROID RAGE ..."Lensar can very well beat him, I dont think Fedor has ever fought a guy like him, but descreting Fedor's competition is plain and stupidly ridiculous".

THIS IS WHAT I WAS SAYING THE WHOLE TIME ,AND I WASNT DESCRETING FEDOR COMPITION JUST WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THE PAST 4 OR 5 YEARS

[Hunter]

if fedor did have a magic ball he wouldnt have fought bums for this long ,yea AA and Tim siylvia were ranked but they ****ing blew at the time AA JUST BEAT BEN rothwell and roy nelson how ****ed did he even get ranked ?? and tim siylvia just lost 2 out of his last 3 fights and alomost lost to vera ?? now are you still going to say they are good ?the rankings dont mean ****ing shit lesnar is #2 in the world ,and carwin is definlitly top 10 ,and i cant belive you are bashing silva ...,was that harcore enough ? i dont want to look new any more

He didnt almost lose to vera. How is carwin top 10? he beat one hot and cold fighter thats it. Otherwise nobodies. Ben rothwell has a more solid list of victims then carwin besides one win against Gonzaga in which he was winning before he got knocked out.

[icepick27]

gonzoga was on a 2 or 3 fight win streak , and going for another title shot,and carwin kod him and he is 12 -0,and he is a monster almost as big or the same size as lesnar ,with a good wrestleing backround ,

[roid_rage]

if fedor did have a magic ball he wouldnt have fought bums for this long ,yea AA and Tim siylvia were ranked but they ****ing blew at the time AA JUST BEAT BEN rothwell and roy nelson how ****ed did he even get ranked ?? and tim siylvia just lost 2 out of his last 3 fights and alomost lost to vera ?? now are you still going to say they are good ?the rankings dont mean ****ing shit lesnar is #2 in the world ,and carwin is definlitly top 10 ,and i cant belive you are bashing silva ...,was that harcore enough ? i dont want to look new any more

AA was on a 5 winning streak, and GG was on a 2 VS maccully and herndricks, sh** I guess he was a contender LOL...

Sylvia prior to that had defeated AA twice, Monson, Vera, only lost to couture and Nog...

And to bad rankings are based on results, not based on Size... Your whole Carwin top ten is that he is almost as big as lesnar??? Carwin defenetaly has potential, but he is 11 (mega super hyper cans) and GG (who is a b level fighter at most, though hype to the sky) Big ben and Big country so far have muuuuuch impressive record than him to be for real.

And still saying that what he has done and the past 4-5 years is crap, well, then you still wrong, name ONE SINGLE HW that has done more than him in the past 4-5 years... ONE!

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Everytime I read this thread I'm pissed off. I'm not going to continue to try and beat the obvious into you meat heads. Fedor is the world's greatest fighter and he's not going to loose anytime soon. If you can't see this go watch some of his past fight, he can't be stopped, he never has been, and I don't see him ever being stopped (until the ****ers using a walker and then I'd still run away). For all of you idiots betting against him if you have any money to put where you're mouth is feel free to put up a wager on any fight against Fedor and I'll take it. We'll do it publicly just to keep it honest. silly f*ckers.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

gonzoga was on a 2 or 3 fight win streak , and going for another title shot,and carwin kod him and he is 12 -0,and he is a monster almost as big or the same size as lesnar ,with a good wrestleing backround ,

Being a memeber for less than 6 months don't you have other things you should be wasting your time "studying".. lol.. probably not, none of that will sink in either.