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    I CANT get this diet thing down

    i search and search and i still cant come up with a diet to get rid of fat. All the talk about no carb, then you see carbs are good after workout. dieting is so confusing. can someone please help.

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    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729

    Carbs are good after a workout..

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    i will usually take down 2 scoops of protien with 1 cup of oatmeal (for carbs) after workout.......just put them together and drink the oatmeal down if you dont like it...its easy after you do it a couple of times..........your body will use the oatmeal right away so you will have minimal or none fat stored off of the carbs......thats why they say eat them after workout

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    You need to research the cutting diets more. There is no such thing as "no carb" There is just low carb.

    For absolute maximum fat loss, you eat 20 carbs a day, with high protein and fat intake. No post workout carbs or anything. It all depends on your goals and what you can stick too.

    Of course something easier to stick too would be better. 40 to 60 carbs isn't too bad. You also have to eat the right carbs, no processed junk.

    Just start reading up on it and you'll get it. We all started out confused, not knowing $h1t about it. Doing some reading a little here and there over a period of time will do the trick.

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    when i cutting i eat carbs for breakfast, pre workout, post workout and post post workout... and so do most other people that means i eat carbs in 4 of my 7 meals. Carbs are good, need more researching

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    Actually carbs are a very individual thing. They aren't good or bad. I know some skinny ectos who have to eat like that. However if I ate like that, I would look like Jabba the Hut, in no time. Many people who have or had a weight problem are like that. Frequently that is why they are fat. They have impaired insulin function and sensitivity. It's just choosing the right plan for your genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Consistency View Post
    when i cutting i eat carbs for breakfast, pre workout, post workout and post post workout... and so do most other people that means i eat carbs in 4 of my 7 meals. Carbs are good, need more researching

    Right on.People that don't eat carbs are clowns with no muscle.

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    Cutting Diet

    Lift Weights Mon,tue,thu And Fri In The Am

    Do Cardio Mon,wed,thu,fri And Sat In The Pm 2 Hrs After A Meal

    Rest Sun


    Meal 1 When You Wake Up...1/2 Cup Old Fashioned Oatmeal + 2 Scoops Of Evopro Protein Powder.

    30 Mins Later 1 Pack Of Animal Pak Training Multivitamin

    60 Mins Later Work Out For 45-60 Mins

    Pwo 3 Scoops Of Universal Carbo Plus + 3 Scoops Of Cytosport Whey

    Meal 2 1 Bag Of Success Brown Rice-60 G Carbs + Turkey Breast Or 2 Chicken Breast


    Meal 3 Round Top Steak And Boiled Green Beans


    Meal 4 Turkey Or 2 Chicken Breast And Boiled Green Beans


    60 Mins Later-cardio On Treadmill 10 Degrees 3.5 Speed For 30 Mins


    Meal 5 Round Top Steak + Boiled Green Beans


    Right Before Bed 2 Scoops Of Evopro + Tablespoon Of Flax Seed Oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokaine View Post
    Cutting Diet

    Lift Weights Mon,tue,thu And Fri In The Am

    Do Cardio Mon,wed,thu,fri And Sat In The Pm 2 Hrs After A Meal

    Rest Sun


    Meal 1 When You Wake Up...1/2 Cup Old Fashioned Oatmeal + 2 Scoops Of Evopro Protein Powder.

    30 Mins Later 1 Pack Of Animal Pak Training Multivitamin

    60 Mins Later Work Out For 45-60 Mins

    Pwo 3 Scoops Of Universal Carbo Plus + 3 Scoops Of Cytosport Whey

    Meal 2 1 Bag Of Success Brown Rice-60 G Carbs + Turkey Breast Or 2 Chicken Breast


    Meal 3 Round Top Steak And Boiled Green Beans


    Meal 4 Turkey Or 2 Chicken Breast And Boiled Green Beans


    60 Mins Later-cardio On Treadmill 10 Degrees 3.5 Speed For 30 Mins


    Meal 5 Round Top Steak + Boiled Green Beans


    Right Before Bed 2 Scoops Of Evopro + Tablespoon Of Flax Seed Oil
    ya know that's not too bad.. however i don't know what is in all of those products you suggested.. so

    pwo 50g protein shake 25grams of dex
    ppwo protein (tuna packed in oil) green beens

    and i prefer to have more oils.. EFA in spread through the day rather than at the very end..

    and 1 cup of cottage cheese before bed...
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    Mon Chest And Biceps
    Tue Legs
    Thu Tricep And Shoulders
    Fri Back

    Wed And Sat Do Your Cardio In The Am On An Empty Stomach

    Wed And Sat Eat Only The Oatmeal And Substitute The Rice For Green Beans

    Sun Substitute The Green Beans For Brown Rice(5 Times) And Drink Your Shake And Flax Before Bed You Will Be Carbing Up So You Can Have Energy To Work Out During The Week

    Drink A Lot Of Black Coffee For Energy Before Work Out And Cardio

    Sleep A Lot And Take A Lot Of Naps

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    Cans Of Food Or For Fat People Dude.if I Didn't Cook It I Aint Eating It

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    Dex Is Sugar And It Will Make You Fat.carbo Plus Or Carbo Hit.

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    1 Scoop Of Evopro-25 G Of Casein Whey Mix
    1 Scoop Of Carbo Plus 20 G Maltodextrin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokaine View Post
    Cans Of Food Or For Fat People Dude.if I Didn't Cook It I Aint Eating It

    Why are you typing every word starting with a capital letter??

    Tuna can be purchased fresh, 0r processed..

    Closed minded people are doomed to stay that way in all aspects of life.

    You still don't have enough fats in that diet..

    Real food and not so many pre-made shake products is the way to grow..
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    Cheese??please


    The Sodium In Cheese Will Make Your Stomach Look Like The Michelin Man

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    Round Top Steak Has Fat Saturated
    Oatmeal Has Fat Efa
    Casein Has Fat Efa
    Flax Seed Has Fat Efa

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    If You Can't Cook You Don't Belong To The Club.sorry

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    Old School Is Old School

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    5 real food
    2 shakes

    thats a lot of real food

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    and why are you making new posts for every sentence

    oh i bet you are trying to get your post count up

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    Yehawwwww

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokaine View Post
    Right on.People that don't eat carbs are clowns with no muscle.
    Oh yea, because everyone is exactly the same and there is no such thing as genetics...... That is utterly ridiculous.

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    Your muscles are full of glycogen and glycogen comes from carbs.No carbs=No muscle.


    You can cut carbs for a while to get ripped but the 50 g of carbs a day thing for the rest of your life makes no ****ing sense.

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    Actually a little protein is converted to glucose and you still eat some carbs and that replenishes glycogen. Also nobody said anything about eating that way all the time for life. The topic is cutting.
    And finally you might look just a little flatter when cutting, but it does not equal no muscle. Your muscles are NOT full of glycogen. They are actually proteins full of water. Glycogen is just the fuel. If your muscles were full of glycogen, when you workout, they would deflate until they were really small, and then swell up really big after PWO. Since that doesn't happen, I think we can assume I'm right.

    When I am cutting I burn through all my glycogen during the workout. I can tell by the shaky feeling. However my muscles are still looking their biggest because they are full of blood.

    I think you've got a lot of learning to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statiz View Post
    i search and search and i still cant come up with a diet to get rid of fat. All the talk about no carb, then you see carbs are good after workout. dieting is so confusing. can someone please help.
    This guy wanted advise.I doesn't matter whether you are cutting or not.


    You have to eat carbs for breakfast.


    You have to eat carbs before weight lifting.


    You have to drink maltodextrin PWO


    You have to eat a small amount of complex carbs 1 hr after PWO shake to stabilze glucose leves after the insulin spike from the fast acting carbs you drank PWO.Not doing this will mess up your insulin realease for the rest of the day and eventually lead to fat storage.


    On your day off..or on cardio day...Shieeet don't eat any carbs at all if you want.Your sorry ass is gonna feel like crap all day long but hey,if it makes you happy.Fat loss and muscle growth is a lifetime commitment and any kinda of extreme dieting for long periods of time will do nothing but damage to your overall health.

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    ^^^^^That's sage advice, the only exceptions would be purposeful carb depleting as in pre-contest, or event (vacation, beach weekend, etc.) cases prior to which you'd carb load to re-inflate. Also, during these times you'd employ CNS stimulants for artificial energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokaine View Post
    This guy wanted advise.I doesn't matter whether you are cutting or not.


    You have to eat carbs for breakfast.


    You have to eat carbs before weight lifting.


    You have to drink maltodextrin PWO


    You have to eat a small amount of complex carbs 1 hr after PWO shake to stabilze glucose leves after the insulin spike from the fast acting carbs you drank PWO.Not doing this will mess up your insulin realease for the rest of the day and eventually lead to fat storage.


    On your day off..or on cardio day...Shieeet don't eat any carbs at all if you want.Your sorry ass is gonna feel like crap all day long but hey,if it makes you happy.Fat loss and muscle growth is a lifetime commitment and any kinda of extreme dieting for long periods of time will do nothing but damage to your overall health.

    That's true for some people but so what? I was simply commenting on our ridiculous blanket statement earlier. And the "muscles are filled with glycogen" thing. That's like saying your car is made out of gasoline. Utterly retarded.

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    Stop reading magazines and learn how your body works,Dude.The difference from person to person is minimal,all that "Oh, some people are carb sensitive" bullshit makes no sense.Theres ONE way to eat and unless you eat like that you are not gonna gain muscle for shit.Long term carb depletion causes the same effects on everybody and they are:

    1-Low glycogen levels in the muscles=Shitty workouts with low intensity that lead to nowhere.

    2-Reduced protein uptake into the muscle cells due to improper insulin release timing=Loss of muscle fiber and fat storage.

    3- Depression due to lack of serotonin in the brain=You will get stressed over stupid shit,your glands will release too much cortisol which leads to catabolism and muscle loss.

    Your body is 70 % water therefore your muscle cells are 70 % water too.But yes people that work out store most of they glycogen in the muscles and you should take proper care of that essential ingredient of the bodybuilding puzzle...


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    chill out and quit having temper tantrum, crybaby. Change your tampon, take some midol, and calm your ass down.

    Here is study about insulin function differences between ethnic groups.
    http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/90/7/3963

    Here is an article explaining how an endomorph is different, and how it relates to bodybuilding.
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beast41.htm

    Here is some research about about metabolic differences in general
    http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/2/354S

    1 only if you go too low.

    2 yea, not $hit. That's why you have to fine tune it to your genetics and goals, see links above for research on those genetic differences.

    3 Bull$Hit. Where is your proof that carbs have a serotonergic effect? If it did then a high carb diet would be a cure for depression, but cause sexual dysfunction in 15% of those people or so.

    Which serotonin receptors does glucose happen to be an agonist for? lol

    On your last point, you have at most 400 grams of glycogen depending on muscularity. That is a very small amount of total volume. When you eat low carb, your muscles can appear a little flat sometimes. However when you get off, they puff back up. So who cares.

    So, unbunch those panties already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokaine View Post
    Right on.People that don't eat carbs are clowns with no muscle.
    I disagree completely with this quote(no offense) but as a trainer I work with people who can eat carbs all day and gain very little fat, but I also deal with people who eat carbs heavy for one day and their asses jiggle for a week!

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