Batman's First Cycle Test E & Dbol

[wukillabee]

So thats what those red freckle marks are. I've got them around my traps and neck after some workouts. I don't think I have any gyno yet but I have noticed my nipples are more sensitive. I think I've had hair loss but I can't be certain yet till I get my hair cut in a few days.

Sensitive nips r the first sign bro, might want to watch that closely. For me i got sensitive nips for about 5 days then noticed a super small pea like lump behind my nip. Took 20mg nolva ed for about 5 days then the lump in both nips and all sensitivity went totally away like it never happened! Its like magic, haha! Stayed on the nolva another couple days just to be sure then stopped the nolva, its all in my log somewhere. I think it hit me round week 6-7 of my prop cycle. Rest of cycle went just fine, no lumps, no sensitivity, just solid gains. Arimidex would also work. Ive tried both now and both seem to work exactly the same for me comparing .5mg arimidex ed and 20mg nolva ed to get rid of those symps. Not takin together of course, just saying dosed like that takin separatly does the same trick, for me at least.

[Batman360]

Good thing I have Nolva then. Thanks Wukillabee for the advice.

[Batman360]

Day 27, May 13, 2009

Really good bicep day unlike last week. Biceps were so pumped I had trouble to scratch the top of my head.

Biceps

Standing E-Z barbell Curl 110 lbs x 12

Standing Dumbell Curls 70 lbs x 10, 10, 10 (each arm)

Reverse Preacher Curl E-Z Barbell Close-grip 110 lbs x 5, 5

Standing Cable Curls 25 lbs x 15, 30 x 15, 35 x 12

Dumbell Preacher Curl 40 lbs x 15, 45 x 15, 50 x 12 (each arm)

[K.O]

So thats what those red freckle marks are. I've got them around my traps and neck after some workouts. I don't think I have any gyno yet but I have noticed my nipples are more sensitive. I think I've had hair loss but I can't be certain yet till I get my hair cut in a few days.

The red marks your talking about on your neck and traps is more likely to be marks from squating with the heavy barbell. It causes severe red marks which go away after a couple of days. The face marks also go away too after a couple fo days until your next mad work out.

Body seems to be a hot now and then, which i think is due to the test E.

Make sure you clean scrub well to avoid any bad bacteria build up in the skin, which might lead to acne.

I am planning to start propecia once the dianabol is finished, so reduce major DHT conversion. I love my hair!!!!

[Batman360]

Day 28 May 14, 2008

Had a hard week this week since I had finals and lots of stress. I finally have 19 inch arms so I love that. I still have 1 more inch to gain in order to reach my 20 in goal. Shoulders and calves have not changed in 2 weeks so I have to figure out a plan. Waist went up because my carb intake was much higher than protein and because I had to eat some junk as backup because I didn't have time to prepare my food. I'm out of school now though so I'll be able to push myself harder with my mind rested. Here are my week 4 results, only 1/3 of the way into my cycle.

Week 4 Results
Weight 220 vs 218 last week PR! Gained 2 lbs
Waist 34.25 vs 33.5 last week Gained .75
Chest/Back 48.5 vs 48 last week PR! Gained .5
Shoulders 54.25 vs 54.25 last week Gained 0
Arms 19 vs 18.75 last week PR! Gained .25
Forearms 14.25 vs 14.125 last week PR! Gained .125
Quads/Hamstrings 26.25 vs 26 last week PR! Gained .25
Calves 16.5 vs 16.5 last week Gained 0

Pictures tomorrow!

[wukillabee]

Day 28 May 14, 2008

Had a hard week this week since I had finals and lots of stress. I finally have 19 inch arms so I love that. I still have 1 more inch to gain in order to reach my 20 in goal. Shoulders and calves have not changed in 2 weeks so I have to figure out a plan. Waist went up because my carb intake was much higher than protein and because I had to eat some junk as backup because I didn't have time to prepare my food. I'm out of school now though so I'll be able to push myself harder with my mind rested. Here are my week 4 results, only 1/3 of the way into my cycle.

Week 4 Results
Weight 220 vs 218 last week PR! Gained 2 lbs
Waist 34.25 vs 33.5 last week Gained .75
Chest/Back 48.5 vs 48 last week PR! Gained .5
Shoulders 54.25 vs 54.25 last week Gained 0
Arms 19 vs 18.75 last week PR! Gained .25
Forearms 14.25 vs 14.125 last week PR! Gained .125
Quads/Hamstrings 26.25 vs 26 last week PR! Gained .25
Calves 16.5 vs 16.5 last week Gained 0

Pictures tomorrow!

Biceps on their own day? Whats your training split like? Dont stress on body parts not responding yet, by week 2 on test e im barely starting to notice a difference in my libido if anything. That ish didn't kick good for me til about end of week 4 bro. My calves grew towards the middle and last half of all my cycles. These first couple weeks of gains i wouldn't get too excited about because its gonna be water retention from the dbol for sure and some from the test e. Sure theres some muscle gains but from most if not all say about dbol its gonna be some good water too bro. What you gain past week 7 id say is actual muscle gains. How long you doin this cycle again? Id do it 14 weeks if i could do it all over again. I was only able to get 8-9 weeks out of my first test enth cycle but thats when the gains where really coming so i was pissed i had to stop! Even 13 weeks of test prop i still say gains coming towards the end.

[K.O]

Wakillabee, I agree with you. I think the test E and DBol will cause a lot of water retention. Best thing is to drink 3 or 4 litres of water a day to stop your body from retaining the water. If there is too little water, your body will store it for later, thats why you need loads of it. The other advantage is your body will be working even harder to get it out the system, so you will be burning fat at the same time.

One more tip for the newbies in terms of injecting. Make sure you pull the plunger out a bit when the needle is in your muscle to make sure you havent hit a vein. You will see the syringe full with blood if you have, where you then just pull out and start again from fresh. Its called aspirating, and there are plenty of videos on the net for this.

[wukillabee]

Wakillabee, I agree with you. I think the test E and DBol will cause a lot of water retention. Best thing is to drink 3 or 4 litres of water a day to stop your body from retaining the water. If there is too little water, your body will store it for later, thats why you need loads of it. The other advantage is your body will be working even harder to get it out the system, so you will be burning fat at the same time.

One more tip for the newbies in terms of injecting. Make sure you pull the plunger out a bit when the needle is in your muscle to make sure you havent hit a vein. You will see the syringe full with blood if you have, where you then just pull out and start again from fresh. Its called aspirating, and there are plenty of videos on the net for this.

Thanks for providing the info bro but im sure my boy here knows bout pinning. If diet isn't spot on too you will retain water no matter how much you drink. All in all water retention isn't bad when bulking, lubes up the joints and muscles for hittin the real weights! Just tryin to stress the fact here that these gains in the first few weeks might be temporary, not to get too excited from them. Like when i kickstarted my current cycle with 75mg oxy i was up to my heaviest at i think 220lbs! Soon as i dropped the oxy, bam, back down to about 213-214lbs. Those orals will make the numbers jump on the scale but just know its not quality muscle, more just water retention. I see orals like dbol, oxy as more of lubricating/strength orals cus thats what they really do for you on cycle when bulking. Sure if your cutting and using these kind of orals your not gonna retain water but then again, your cutting so your diet is spot on as well as drinking shit loads of water. Again, most use these kind of orals for bulking though since theres much better orals out there when your cutting.

[WARMachine]

^ Agreed.

Orals are rarely ever LMM gains. Unless were talking Tbol or Var here.

But the best way to reduce bloat is diet. Low sodium and like Wu said, a shit load of water.

[Batman360]

Biceps on their own day? Whats your training split like? Dont stress on body parts not responding yet, by week 2 on test e im barely starting to notice a difference in my libido if anything. That ish didn't kick good for me til about end of week 4 bro. My calves grew towards the middle and last half of all my cycles. These first couple weeks of gains i wouldn't get too excited about because its gonna be water retention from the dbol for sure and some from the test e. Sure theres some muscle gains but from most if not all say about dbol its gonna be some good water too bro. What you gain past week 7 id say is actual muscle gains. How long you doin this cycle again? Id do it 14 weeks if i could do it all over again. I was only able to get 8-9 weeks out of my first test enth cycle but thats when the gains where really coming so i was pissed i had to stop! Even 13 weeks of test prop i still say gains coming towards the end.

I do chest/triceps on Mondays to get the week started since these are my favorites. I can't get to the gym too late because Monday are famous for being bench days and all the benches are taken up by the evening. Then for the rest of the week I go by how I feel. I will train legs before a back day because deadlifts affect my back and gives my trouble when I squat. If I keep seeing gains go up in week 12 I will extend it another 2 weeks for 14 weeks, but thats the max.

[wukillabee]

I do chest/triceps on Mondays to get the week started since these are my favorites. I can't get to the gym too late because Monday are famous for being bench days and all the benches are taken up by the evening. Then for the rest of the week I go by how I feel. I will train legs before a back day because deadlifts affect my back and gives my trouble when I squat. If I keep seeing gains go up in week 12 I will extend it another 2 weeks for 14 weeks, but thats the max.

Oh ok, wasn't sure if you where already running it 12 weeks or not. Yeah, 12-14 weeks id say is perfect and like you said, just extend it if gains are still coming. For sure 14 weeks max. I think anything longer than that with long ester test you would want to use some hcg to help recover better. Sounds good.

[Batman360]

Day 29 May 15, 2009

Here are the picture I promised. All picture taken cold except from the pump of posing of course. 220 lbs, 19 pounds heavier than my first pics.

Went to the gym later and trained back. My deadlift is up another 20 lbs and I felt I could of went heavier. I'm 20 lbs away from lifting 5 plates each side. Pull-ups are getting tough as I keep gaining weight.

Back

Pull-ups 18, 12, 10

Deadlift 415 lbs x 8 (warm-up) 465 x 8, 475 x 8

Close-grip Cable Pull down 240 lbs x 10, 250 x 8, 250 x 8

Close-grip Cable Rows 170 lbs x 12, 180 x 12, 190 x 12

[Batman360]

More pictures

[ghettoboyd]

my god man your gonna be a monster when this is over.you already look nice and thick and your just getting started.nice work bro......

[Batman360]

Thank you. I hope I can keep gaining the way I am throughout the rest of the cycle. At the very least I should reach 230, but 240 would be nice.

[Batman360]

Thank you for you critique! Here is when I first started lifting at almost 18 years old. My arms were 13.5 inches. I was probably benching 110 lbs for 8 reps. What I noticed is that for every 10 lbs I gain, my arms grow a 1/2 inch, so I have always concentrated on gaining more weight. It hasn't been easy and I've been working out till I'm about to faint every workout for the past 7 years, week after week. When somebody asks me, how I do I get big like you? I tell them it's not going to happen overnight. It's not the time thats important, but the experience you learn in that time. It takes time to know what works for your body to make it grow both in the gym and the kitchen. I think thats the most important thing or you could spend years in the gym making little or no changes for years.

[bifda]

im watchin this thread everyday, we are similar in shape, but im 5 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier.
im losing 20 pounds before i juice (with the help of jammy, thanks bro) and this thread is giving me the motivation to lose the pounds and unleash the beast lol.

great progress so far, keep it up!!

BIF.

[alpmaster]

Dude, when you cut, you're going to look like a beast. Great progress btw.

[K.O]

Rollin Swollen!!! lol. Excellent progress so far.

Keep up the work, the best is still yet to come. Im planning to take some clenbuterol for around 2 weeks, to hopefully keep the strength up and then try to lean up a bit at the end of the cycle. You planning anything like that?

[wukillabee]

Dude, when you cut, you're going to look like a beast. Great progress btw.

Totally agree. Looks like this cycle will put even more size/quality muscle on you, come off, do a good pct, wait a lil longer, do a cutting cycle= Look like a pro!

[Batman360]

im watchin this thread everyday, we are similar in shape, but im 5 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier.
im losing 20 pounds before i juice (with the help of jammy, thanks bro) and this thread is giving me the motivation to lose the pounds and unleash the beast lol.

great progress so far, keep it up!!

BIF.

Thank you, I'm always glad to motivate people as I have been motivated by others to get where I'm at. Without motivation we wouldn't push ourselves as hard.

[Batman360]

Rollin Swollen!!! lol. Excellent progress so far.

Keep up the work, the best is still yet to come. Im planning to take some clenbuterol for around 2 weeks, to hopefully keep the strength up and then try to lean up a bit at the end of the cycle. You planning anything like that?

Thank you. I've never had trouble losing weight, till a certain point. The only reason I would ever use clen is if I were to compete one day to get my bodyfat super low for competition. At the end of my cycle I will try my best to retain my strength and size until I'm able to do another cycle which will also be another bulking cycle. I don't plan to cut until next summer on a 3rd cycle.

[Batman360]

Dude, when you cut, you're going to look like a beast. Great progress btw.

Totally agree. Looks like this cycle will put even more size/quality muscle on you, come off, do a good pct, wait a lil longer, do a cutting cycle= Look like a pro!

Thank you, you guys are too kind. I still think I'm a couple cycles from looking like a pro. I'm pretty close to pro size of bb'ers from the 70's, but not today's. Some people are grossed out by my size I've noticed and think I'm too big. I don't feel that way at all though. I know I have the potential to get bigger, but I don't know how far I'm willing to take it yet.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

fukk what those people say, keep at it, get fukkin scary big... plenty of people say girls dont like when a guy has "too much muscle" but thats BS... plenty of girls like the look, and im sure you would too lol...

[wukillabee]

Thank you, you guys are too kind. I still think I'm a couple cycles from looking like a pro. I'm pretty close to pro size of bb'ers from the 70's, but not today's. Some people are grossed out by my size I've noticed and think I'm too big. I don't feel that way at all though. I know I have the potential to get bigger, but I don't know how far I'm willing to take it yet.

I personally like the 70's style bbers better, more quality than quantity! But to each their own, u wanna get huge with reed then more power to u bro! Its seriously hard for me to gain weight/size, even with aas! Everyones different but u got some madd potential too to take it wherever u want bro!
Sounds good, 3rd cycle being a cutter that is. Cant imagine the end results from this and another bulk, WTF! Gonna be huge then ****** for next summer. Go at it homie!

[geneticallyAlpha]

one stocky mofo
i will always be amazed how ppl can look so different yet weigh very similar

out of curiosity where are you measuring your legs at?
take the measurement from the biggest point on the thigh.
everyones arms are different lengths so u cant use that as the marker if u do.
i knew one guy who had such long arms it gave him an unbeleivable deadlift.
could only bench 80kgs squat 100kgs but could deadlift like 240kgs.

p.s on taking it 'far'... First you gotta have a GOOD source/chemist. Second you have to know how much to take (in terms of pros standards.... a shitload). Third, you have to be crazy enough to go through with it all.

[Lightsout2184]

man keep it up ur gonna be a freak when this is all over

[Batman360]

one stocky mofo
i will always be amazed how ppl can look so different yet weigh very similar

out of curiosity where are you measuring your legs at?
take the measurement from the biggest point on the thigh.
everyones arms are different lengths so u cant use that as the marker if u do.
i knew one guy who had such long arms it gave him an unbeleivable deadlift.
could only bench 80kgs squat 100kgs but could deadlift like 240kgs.

p.s on taking it 'far'... First you gotta have a GOOD source/chemist. Second you have to know how much to take (in terms of pros standards.... a shitload). Third, you have to be crazy enough to go through with it all.

Thanks. I measure my legs 6 inchs above the knee. My legs get bigger if I measured higher but that's where I always measure because bb.com says so. I think my arms are long because my arms measure the same length as my brothers who is 5'11, or maybe he has short arms? I never ever thought of turning pro but once I experiment with some cycles and if the pay is good then why not? We all die someday anyways and lifes too short to be small.

[Batman360]

man keep it up ur gonna be a freak when this is all over

Thank you! Im trying to keep progressing, which is why I have weekly stats in my log so I can see if I'm slacking off or if I need to do more to keep growing.

[Batman360]

Day 32 May 18, 2009

Good workout today under the circumstances. I lost my MP3 player on last Friday and havent found it yet. I had to keep my focus hearing peoples conversations in the gym, bad music. My zune keep me in the zone and keeps me focused so I might have to buy another one if I don't find it by tommorrow. I met this guy and we helped each other spot on the bench. He kept pushing me till failure and I got pretty burned out. I went along with his workout that nearly killed me, but the pump I got was unbelievable, like if someone pumped air into my chest. My shoulders were beat down as well and I almost was about to wiss out on doing triceps because I was in pain. Not my best tricep day but still strong enough to make some growth. I didn't do kickbacks because my triceps were so pumped I couldn't extend my triceps without the risk of tearing them so I played it safe. I want my Zune!!!


Chest/Triceps

Bench Press 315 lbs x 6, 325 x 4 (crappy set), 325 x 6, 335 x 5

Incline Bench 270 lbs 6 (+2 with help), 275 x 6 (+2 with help)

Decline Bench 275 lbs x 8 (+4 with help) 285 x 8 (+2 with help)

Lying Tricep Extensions 135 lbs x 10, 145 x 8

Seated Tricep Extensions 135 lbs x 9, 9

Seated One-hand Tricep Extensions 50 lbs x 10, 10

Dips (bodyweight) x 18

[bifda]

by now the test is setting in, how do you feel in general?
any more aggression, hornier and are you recovering quicker?

[Batman360]

by now the test is setting in, how do you feel in general?
any more aggression, hornier and are you recovering quicker?

I am more aggressive but I don't let it out until I'm in the gym. I'm usually a nice guy, but with test in my system if someone talks trash about me I will have a comeback come out before even realizing it came out, whereas before I would hold it in or think before I talk. Hornier yes, I have had trouble sleeping because of this. I'm looking at below average looking girls who I would of never looked at twice before. Recovery is the same except for legs. Before, a day after I trained legs I would be so sore and unable to walk normally for 4-5 days. While on gear my legs only get sore for 2 days and not as intense as before. Maybe because I inject the Test E in my Quads, I dont know? I've noticed no differences in terms of soreness on other bodyparts. The most noticable physical difference is my face. It get oily and redish looking on different spots of my face. Hairloss, maybe. No Gyno or insane acne.

[bifda]

aggression is a big one for me, im already aggressive and have to hold my tounge and fists at times, it worries me aswell cos i have 2 young kids and my son is sooo testing right now.

keep up the good work mate.

[xo3et]

Batman, i have read all this thread and i love it. I plan to do test e and dbol cycle, I actually have the stuff buts its not a correct time and i am still learning before i go for it so reading this thread gets me excited.

You look a beast dude, i look forward to more updates.

[Batman360]

Day 33 May 19, 2009

10th Injection. I went to buy needles at the pharmacy today and was getting worried I wouldn't be able to get any. First Pharmacy I went to they only had 31 gauge needle. Then I went to Walgreens and the guy says they don't sell them. I tell him I bought them there before. He asks me what they are for. I say for Vitamen B12. Then he says they do have them but they can't sell without a prescription or unless it's an emergency. Either the guy was giving me a hard time or didn't know what he was doing. You would think a pharmacist would know what the laws are regarding these things. I went home, looked up the laws and it said I had the right to buy up to 20 needles without prescription in Illinois. Only 4 states require prescriptions. I printed it out just incase I find another inexpericenced person. I go to Jewel this time to see if it's cheaper. I go in, ask for needles and I got them with no hassals, questions, or weird looks. Pharmasists there know what they are doing and I got the needles and syringes way cheaper than Walgreens. Only $10 compared to $30 for the same thing. I wanted to train legs today, but couldn't because I went to some place yesterday that has a mechanical bed that is supposed to align your spine. I went because at least 2 chiropractors have told me before that my spine was in an S shape, probably from all the lifting over the years. It was free trial so why not? It hurt while I was on it and now today my spine was hurting so I didn't want to risk any heavy lifting like squats. I had a very good bicep workout today. Lifting heavier weight and the pump was crazy. To give you an idea of how crazy pumped my biceps were, the left side of my headphones fell off my ear and when I tried to put the earpiece back in I couldn't! I borrowed my sisters Ipod so that helped alot on this workout.

Biceps

Standing E-Z barbell Curl 110 lbs x 12

Standing Dumbell Curls 75 lbs x 10, 80 x 10, 85 x 8 (each arm)

Reverse Preacher Curl E-Z Barbell Close-grip 90 lbs x 10, 100 x 8

Standing Cable Curls 25 lbs x 15, 30 x 15, 35 x 12

Close-Grip Preacher Curl Machine 135 lbs x 8, 145 x 5

Dumbell Preacher Curl 45 lbs x 15, 50 x 15, 55 x 12 (each arm)

[wukillabee]

Day 33 May 19, 2009

10th Injection. I went to buy needles at the pharmacy today and was getting worried I wouldn't be able to get any. First Pharmacy I went to they only had 31 gauge needle. Then I went to Walgreens and the guy says they don't sell them. I tell him I bought them there before. He asks me what they are for. I say for Vitamen B12. Then he says they do have them but they can't sell without a prescription or unless it's an emergency. Either the guy was giving me a hard time or didn't know what he was doing. You would think a pharmacist would know what the laws are regarding these things. I went home, looked up the laws and it said I had the right to buy up to 20 needles without prescription in Illinois. Only 4 states require prescriptions. I printed it out just incase I find another inexpericenced person. I go to Jewel this time to see if it's cheaper. I go in, ask for needles and I got them with no hassals, questions, or weird looks. Pharmasists there know what they are doing and I got the needles and syringes way cheaper than Walgreens. Only $10 compared to $30 for the same thing. I wanted to train legs today, but couldn't because I went to some place yesterday that has a mechanical bed that is supposed to align your spine. I went because at least 2 chiropractors have told me before that my spine was in an S shape, probably from all the lifting over the years. It was free trial so why not? It hurt while I was on it and now today my spine was hurting so I didn't want to risk any heavy lifting like squats. I had a very good bicep workout today. Lifting heavier weight and the pump was crazy. To give you an idea of how crazy pumped my biceps were, the left side of my headphones fell off my ear and when I tried to put the earpiece back in I couldn't! I borrowed my sisters Ipod so that helped alot on this workout.

Biceps

Standing E-Z barbell Curl 110 lbs x 12

Standing Dumbell Curls 75 lbs x 10, 80 x 10, 85 x 8 (each arm)

Reverse Preacher Curl E-Z Barbell Close-grip 90 lbs x 10, 100 x 8

Standing Cable Curls 25 lbs x 15, 30 x 15, 35 x 12

Close-Grip Preacher Curl Machine 135 lbs x 8, 145 x 5

Dumbell Preacher Curl 45 lbs x 15, 50 x 15, 55 x 12 (each arm)

Haha, i totally know the feeling about the pump and adjusting headphones bro, funny shit. Damn, thats a grip of sets for just bis, overtraining maybe? Check ur pm in an hour or so if ur up. If not, check when u get a chance.

[mperk]

Hey Batman - damn good read - you're making amazing gains on an amazing base! dedication and good genetics! Props to you. you think you are losing any water weight gain from the dbol now that you're off? How many calories are you consuming?

Great work bro - stay strong!

[K.O]

Finally my 4 week dbol kick start is finished!!! Batman did you get any headaches while on the dbol? Just the last 3 days i started getting them, and also seem to be sweating alot. Also very very tired and lathargic.

Im glad the dbol is over, but will carry on milk thistle for 2 weeks to get the liver values down. Now its just 2 shots a week, no problemo.

[geneticallyAlpha]

We all die someday anyways and lifes too short to be small.

สนอำ ระ ทฟื

oops sorry thai keyboard.
LOVE IT MAN F^CKING LOVE IT!

Indeed life is too short to be small.

If you dont mind chuck us your leg measurment at its widest point wherever it is. even if its all the way up your thigh. be interesting to know.

keep lifting big.
the level of satifaction of a good workout and results u can see is immeasurable.

had to go to cambodia today to get a visa stamp and at the border everyone was looking at me like i was schwarzenegger. i was thinking wait until you see a really big guy!

mike tyson - 'every punch has to be thrown with bad intentions and the speed of the devil'

peace

[Batman360]

Hey Batman - damn good read - you're making amazing gains on an amazing base! dedication and good genetics! Props to you. you think you are losing any water weight gain from the dbol now that you're off? How many calories are you consuming?

Great work bro - stay strong!

Thank you. I have not lost any weight so far 1 week off dbol. Strength is still comparable or higher than week 4 on week 5. I think I'm eating around 3500 calories. I will have to bump it up to 4000 if I want to weigh any higher. Note that my carb consumption is much higher than protein, around 70%. Getting protein is so expensive, that why I don't like cutting because it cost more to switch that 70% carb intake into 70% protein intake. To maintain weight I'll probably do 50/50 on protein, carbs.