Wanted to offer you guys a PEEK..

[Vitruvian-Man]

High crime rate compared to? That's a blanket statement, rather ambiguous too. To be fair, and interestingly enough, the areas of our country which have some of the strictest gun control laws and ordinances have violent crime rates well above the national average. In contrast, areas of the country which once had violent crime rates significantly above the national average, saw their violent crime rates drop a couple of percentage points BELOW the national average after instituting "shall issue" conceal and carry laws. What this means is that any citizen can apply and be granted a permit to conceal a firearm on or about their person, so long as they don't have a criminal record or a history of being committed to a mental institution.

I'm going to try to avoid a policy debate, both because your political ideology in Australia is starkly different from ours here in the United States, and because most people are not informed enough on this particular issue to have a meaningful debate and really know what they are talking about. Rather, these debates usually end with me presenting rationed arguments supported by facts, statistics, and logic, and the other party retorting with emotional rhetoric and liberal propaganda without merit.

The primary reason for the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution, was as the peoples final line of defense against tyranny and oppressive government. In the event that legislative channels became corrupt or unresponsive to the citizenry, they would always have the ability to defend themselves with an effective tool, and in this case the firearm. The evidence is clear from documents, journals, letters, and other materials which the founding fathers and authors of the constitution left behind.

Furthermore, we can consider the practical and moral need for guns in today's American society. While it would be ideal to imagine a society where guns did not exist and were not available, this Utopian liberal wet dream is not a reality. Guns do exist, and criminals do have access to them. Whether or not we banned guns, and then rounded up all existing guns(an impossible task), criminals would still have a demand for guns. That means, that criminals would be able to obtain guns even if none were sold or manufactured in the United States. As we know, where there is a demand, there will ALWAYS be a supply. This is evidenced by the fact that illicit drugs are completely banned and not produced in the United States, yet millions of tons of marijuana and cocaine make it across our borders every single year. So what would happen in a situation like this, is that criminals would possess guns, and police would possess guns, yet the ordinary citizen would be at the mercy of criminals and would have to pray that a police officer can be everywhere at every time to protect the citizen from these armed criminals.

Rather, if one takes a pragmatic approach to the issue of firearms. One realizes that firearms are on Earth, and are here to stay. One then realizes that you must give the citizen the right to own these weapons in order to exercise his right endowed to him by his creator to protect himself with the best means possible. Furthermore, if we take a statistical approach, all evidence indicates that citizens who choose to obtain a CCW permit, are safer, more law abiding, and more responsible. Florida for instance, has issued 1.5 million CCW permits since 1986 when their law went into effect, and has revoked 166 of those permits for a gun related crime after issuance of the CCW permit. Those are impressive numbers, and they dispel the myth that the streets turn into the wild west, and people start drawing their weapons for every little argument. That is purely liberal propaganda, with absolutely no merit, and no factual evidence to support it. In contrast, Washington D.C. had a complete ban on handguns, and yet remained even into today, as a city with one of the highest murder rates related to gun crime in the country.

The last point we must consider with restraining the government from banning citizens to own firearms, is their equalizing effect. There exists no other weapon, which can give an elderly grandmother the ability to resist the attack from a younger, larger, stronger, faster attacker. A firearm in the hands of the elderly grandmother, gives her a fighting chance to overtake what would otherwise be an easy victory for her more powerful attacker. Additionally, there exists no other weapon which can give a person who may be outnumbered 10:1 the ability to fight off a violent or deadly attack, and be able to come out of that situation alive and maybe even unharmed. So whether criminals have guns or not, law abiding citizens should always retain their right to own and carry firearms for those aforementioned reasons.


Hopefully those of you in other countries will open your minds up and give real consideration to what I have said, and maybe think twice before criticizing our countries policy on firearms, and a societal value that we hold dear.

Love your passion.... but....

"Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Other (inc Accident)

USA (2001) 3.98 5.92 0.36
Italy (1997) 0.81 1.1 0.07
Switzerland (1998) 0.50 5.8 0.10
Canada (2002) 0.4 2.0 0.04
Finland (2003) 0.35 4.45 0.10
Australia (2001) 0.24 1.34 0.10
France (2001) 0.21 3.4 0.49
England/Wales (2002) 0.15 0.2 0.03
Scotland (2002) 0.06 0.2 0.02
Japan (2002) 0.02 0.04 0
Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport."

> 50, 000 gun-related deaths each year...

f*cked up.

[TheBerryhillMonster]

Awesome gun collection...
I only have an AR-15 and a .45 ;[

[rx8rone]

looks like that game call of duty haha

[The Deuce]

Love your passion.... but....

"Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Other (inc Accident)

USA (2001) 3.98 5.92 0.36
Italy (1997) 0.81 1.1 0.07
Switzerland (1998) 0.50 5.8 0.10
Canada (2002) 0.4 2.0 0.04
Finland (2003) 0.35 4.45 0.10
Australia (2001) 0.24 1.34 0.10
France (2001) 0.21 3.4 0.49
England/Wales (2002) 0.15 0.2 0.03
Scotland (2002) 0.06 0.2 0.02
Japan (2002) 0.02 0.04 0
Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport."

> 50, 000 gun-related deaths each year...

f*cked up.

I'll ONLY say this once.. as FVCKED UP as that Chart seems.. IT IS NOT GUNS THAT KILL PEOPLE... IT'S RETARDED FVCKING PEOPLE THAT KILL PEOPLE.. A GUN HAS NEVER KILLED ANYONE.. IT LACKS BRAIN POWER TO JUST RANDOMLY DECIDE TO KILL SOMEONE..

It's NEVER a GUN that kills someone... it's either some RETARD that shouldn't be NEAR ONE.. or... A husband that comes home early... (hahaha-- that parts a joke)

In This country we reserve the right to dispatch the life of someone who is trying to take YOUR LIFE FROM YOU.. And REST ASSURED.. just because I have an EXTENSIVE Collection.. All I would NEED is ONE Gun, To Protect myself.. I just CHOOSE to collect Firearms... It's my hobby, my passion..

ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS SHARE PART OF MY AWESOME-NESS WITH EVERYONE, AND IT TURNED INTO SOMETHING I NEVER INTENDED IT TO...


Sorry for trying to share in my Happiness... I'll make sure I won't do it again.

[Swifto]

Love your passion.... but....

"Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Other (inc Accident)

USA (2001) 3.98 5.92 0.36
Italy (1997) 0.81 1.1 0.07
Switzerland (1998) 0.50 5.8 0.10
Canada (2002) 0.4 2.0 0.04
Finland (2003) 0.35 4.45 0.10
Australia (2001) 0.24 1.34 0.10
France (2001) 0.21 3.4 0.49
England/Wales (2002) 0.15 0.2 0.03
Scotland (2002) 0.06 0.2 0.02
Japan (2002) 0.02 0.04 0
Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport."

> 50, 000 gun-related deaths each year...

f*cked up.

I think its safe to say the USA has got there stance on guns fairly wrong.

Its the gun capital of the world, but it doesnt stop people from moaning about thier rights and how it SHOULD be their right to own a firearm and "protect themself".

It makes me laugh.

[Mooseman33]

I think its safe to say the USA has got there stance on guns fairly wrong.
Its the gun capital of the world, but it doesnt stop people from moaning about thier rights and how it SHOULD be their right to own a firearm and "protect themself".

It makes me laugh.

it is ur opinion that we have it wrong.
ur views as well as others are not the same.

As extreme as i think Deuce has taken his love for guns, he has done it all by the standards of the law.if every gun owner was as responsible as him, minus leaving several fully loaded automatic machine guns around his house, guns would not have the bad rap they do..

[Swifto]

it is ur opinion that we have it wrong.
ur views as well as others are not the same.

As extreme as i think Deuce has taken his love for guns, he has done it all by the standards of the law.if every gun owner was as responsible as him, minus leaving several fully loaded automatic machine guns around his house, guns would not have the bad rap they do..

It may be my opinion, but my opinion is meerly based on the numbers (facts) which are extremly hard to ignore.

[DKU]

Cool collection. I fully support everyone's right to arm themselves.

I've heard it is mandated in Switzerland that everyone have a machine gun in their home, and as a result robbery there is very rare.

[The Deuce]

It may be my opinion, but my opinion is meerly based on the numbers (facts) which are extremly hard to ignore.

Dude, screw the factual numbers ... seriously.. THAT NUMBER INCLUDES PIECE OF SH1T GANGBANGERS... Not responsible GUN OWNERS !!!!

I own EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY FIREARMS LEGALLY.

I am not some LOW-LIFE GANG BANGER PICKING UP A HOT WEAPON OFF THE STREET TO MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE.

and that my friend is what "YOUR FACTUAL NUMBERS" are based on...

What would those numbers READ if you took out all those statistics...

Yah... people who own guns and weaponry "THE LEGAL WAY"

Are NOT the problem... it's the FELONS and DRUG DEALERS and GANG BAANGERS that are the problem...


OOOOHHHHH LET'S GO DO A DRIVE-BY AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE....

Yah those scummers should be SHOT themselves...


I LOVE MY 2ND AMENDMENT as you can see and i exercise it to it's FULLEST extent....

To anyone that thinks differently.. it's only a matter of opinion...

My point of owning my guns ISN'T TO KILL PEOPLE. It's a HOBBY of MINE.. A showpiece.. A "HEY LOOK WHAT I GOT, LOOK WHAT I GOT"

Now if the need arose where I needed to KILL A MOTHERFVCKER That threatened MY LIFE, My WIFE'S LIFE, Or One of My kids Life.. BEST BELIEVE WITHOUT A MOMENTS HESITATION I would send them to whichever GOD they wished. With less than 2.2lbs of Pressure.. and for EXTRA Measure I might just empty the FULL 30rnds into their DEAD CORPSE for even TRYING To take WHAT IS MINE... What I hold nearest and dear... MY LIFE. Or The Lives of MY FAMILY.

You trying to tell me SWIFTO that if someone kicked in your door... raped your wife and daughter and then proceeded to put a bullet in each of their skulls and you were standing there with a firearm you wouldn't prevent that from occurring... because my friend... REAL WORLD... That SHIT HAPPENS... All the fvcking time.

TRUE STORY-- It isn't only in the movies... Welcome to America.. Home of the Free... LAND OF THE FVCKING JUNKIE CRACKHEAD SCUMBAG RAPIST CHILD MOLESTING LOSERS.

[thegodfather]

It may be my opinion, but my opinion is meerly based on the numbers (facts) which are extremly hard to ignore.

How can you make an empirical assumption from numbers? We do not base our laws on numbers, but on a higher set of ideas. Statistics can be used both for and against arguments, they are not essential to proving an argument or making an argument just or right. Statistics merely serve as an indicator, as correlation, and perhaps to support existing arguments which already have merit. Ideas give arguments merit, not numbers. For instance, I pointed out that no other tool can give a defenseless person a chance against a larger attacker or multiple attackers like a firearm can. However, because you have drawn an arbitrary conclusion from a set of numbers compiled on a piece of paper, you would change the law and sentence those defenseless people who are saved by guns each year, to death or grievous bodily harm.

So you want to talk numbers?

There are roughly 30,000 gun deaths annually in the United States. This includes homicide, accidental discharge, suicide, and police who use their weapons to kill criminals.

According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, annually, guns are used 1.5 million times per year to save an innocent life. The gun is not always discharged, but often the sight of a gun is enough to deter a crime. Also according to the FBI's UNC, guns are used by women approximately 200,000 times per YEAR to prevent a sexual assault.

Since we're being Democratic about this, one could assume that 1.5 million > 30,000..... So do you want to ban weapons and guess what will happen to those 1.5 million incidences per year where guns save innocent lives? The benefits of an armed society far outweigh the cons.

[Mooseman33]

Godfather, u are the man..

that was a great post, not that i would expect anything else from you..

[Friend]

[Z-Ro]

Disturbing thread

I was just about to say the same thing!

Deuce coming from a family where I was accustomed to being around weapons...posting a thread like this is just not smart IMO.

Possibly receiving AAS and possessing a gun collection like that could spell bad news.

I am not knocking your passion, I am just trying to help a brotha out.

[The Deuce]

How can you make an empirical assumption from numbers? We do not base our laws on numbers, but on a higher set of ideas. Statistics can be used both for and against arguments, they are not essential to proving an argument or making an argument just or right. Statistics merely serve as an indicator, as correlation, and perhaps to support existing arguments which already have merit. Ideas give arguments merit, not numbers. For instance, I pointed out that no other tool can give a defenseless person a chance against a larger attacker or multiple attackers like a firearm can. However, because you have drawn an arbitrary conclusion from a set of numbers compiled on a piece of paper, you would change the law and sentence those defenseless people who are saved by guns each year, to death or grievous bodily harm.

So you want to talk numbers?

There are roughly 30,000 gun deaths annually in the United States. This includes homicide, accidental discharge, suicide, and police who use their weapons to kill criminals.

According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, annually, guns are used 1.5 million times per year to save an innocent life. The gun is not always discharged, but often the sight of a gun is enough to deter a crime. Also according to the FBI's UNC, guns are used by women approximately 200,000 times per YEAR to prevent a sexual assault.

Since we're being Democratic about this, one could assume that 1.5 million > 30,000..... So do you want to ban weapons and guess what will happen to those 1.5 million incidences per year where guns save innocent lives? The benefits of an armed society far outweigh the cons.

THANK YOU GODFATHER !!! That OUGHTA hush The Number crunchers.. hahahahahahaha.. TAKE THAT !!! Uhhhh NOW WHAT Mr. Numbers ?!?! Now what!! LOL.. Sorry Swifto, you know I luv ya.. I just can't understand WHY you would rely your statement on FACTUAL NUMBERS.. because.. ^^^^^ LOOK AT THEM NUMBERS... 1.5 Million SAVED LIVES DUE TO PEOPLE LIKE ME.. What says you??

[The Deuce]

I was just about to say the same thing!

Deuce coming from a family where I was accustomed to being around weapons...posting a thread like this is just not smart IMO.

Possibly receiving AAS and possessing a gun collection like that could spell bad news.

I am not knocking your passion, I am just trying to help a brotha out.

LIKE I SAID.. I DO NOT.. DO NOT ... DO NOT.. Receive USE or Condone the USE of illegal substances.. anything I state about MY USE of AAS is PURELY FICTION AND MADE UP... I would NEVER ever ever use or buy or import anything illegal EVER... What I say is PURELY for entertainment purposes ONLY... Anyone who believes different is SORELY mistaken.

[Z-Ro]

LIKE I SAID.. I DO NOT.. DO NOT ... DO NOT.. Receive USE or Condone the USE of illegal substances.. anything I state about MY USE of AAS is PURELY FICTION AND MADE UP... I would NEVER ever ever use or buy or import anything illegal EVER... What I say is PURELY for entertainment purposes ONLY... Anyone who believes different is SORELY mistaken.

haha...okay man! To each their own. It sounds like your are being safe.

BTW--nice collection!

[Skully44420]

SCREW all the HATERS!! NICE gun collection DEUCE!! IT is CLEARLY stated in the 2nd amendment that YOU have the right to BEAR ARMS..so why not DO IT?! and no i don't REALLY mean screw you GUYS...but i mean C'MON it's this guys RIGHT...although there are POINTS MADE on both sides that I can SEE where they are coming from..

[J-Dogg]

You guys are crazy. You don't need an assult rifle or a safe full of them and loaded guns all over your house to protect yourself or your wife.

I can see a gun, a hunting rifle, what ever. But a woman can keep a tazer in her perse, pepper spray, and use it with out running the risk of catching a murder charge herself. There are non-leathal ways to defend yourself and your family.

You do realize that guns are the hottest item on the black market/streets and have been consistantly for a LONG time. Infact, flaunting that you have that many guns probably puts yourself at more risk than not having them.

You have 50k in assult rifles and hand guns in your house, you don't think a group of low lifes would be willing to kill you and your family for them? Then we have 50k in assult rifles on the streets.

Maybe you should just look into getting yourself a nuke next, we can strap them all to our chest and we'll all feel safe then from everyone.

[The Deuce]

You guys are crazy. You don't need an assult rifle or a safe full of them and loaded guns all over your house to protect yourself or your wife.

I can see a gun, a hunting rifle, what ever. But a woman can keep a tazer in her perse, pepper spray, and use it with out running the risk of catching a murder charge herself. There are non-leathal ways to defend yourself and your family.

You do realize that guns are the hottest item on the black market/streets and have been consistantly for a LONG time. Infact, flaunting that you have that many guns probably puts yourself at more risk than not having them.

You have 50k in assult rifles and hand guns in your house, you don't think a group of low lifes would be willing to kill you and your family for them? Then we have 50k in assult rifles on the streets.

Maybe you should just look into getting yourself a nuke next, we can strap them all to our chest and we'll all feel safe then from everyone.

Yah because SOMEONE from this SITE would be able to LOCATE ME.. and then BREAK into my HOME... then STEAL my Guns.. ya great FANTASY... Try again.. MY IP bounces all over the globe for one.. SERIOUSLY... VPN's are GREAT... so no one can ever locate my exact location... in fact I think I am somewhere in EUROPE Right now... Nope China... hahaha.. OBVIOUSLY I am NOT retarded... I know how to keep myself safe...

What you jealous of MY Collection buddy is that it... Hahaha DON'T WORRY.. Me posting pictures of MY FIREARM COLLECTION will NEVER EVER end me up having said collection STOLEN or result in MY DEATH...

Think logically dude, this is the internet... YOU CAN NOT LOCATE MY EXACT ADDRESS Nor REAL NAME nor any OTHER pertinent info from a goddamned WEB FORUM...

[GREENMACHINE]

Wow Duece you are one crazy mofo. Can I come over to your house to play. I mean look at your guns.

[peteroy01]

You guys are crazy. You don't need an assult rifle or a safe full of them and loaded guns all over your house to protect yourself or your wife.

I can see a gun, a hunting rifle, what ever. But a woman can keep a tazer in her perse, pepper spray, and use it with out running the risk of catching a murder charge herself. There are non-leathal ways to defend yourself and your family.

You do realize that guns are the hottest item on the black market/streets and have been consistantly for a LONG time. Infact, flaunting that you have that many guns probably puts yourself at more risk than not having them.

You have 50k in assult rifles and hand guns in your house, you don't think a group of low lifes would be willing to kill you and your family for them? Then we have 50k in assult rifles on the streets.

Maybe you should just look into getting yourself a nuke next, we can strap them all to our chest and we'll all feel safe then from everyone.

clearly you know little to nothing about ceasing a house. it takes mere second to break into a house and take control(kill or hostage). like i said before, if it only takes seconds to break in, how would you be able to run to your bedroom and grab your gun if your in the kitchen or living room? and thats just a situation where its only one man. what if you have family scatter throughout the house. if you have weapons hidden around the house then you could be within seconds of having the high ground over the enemy(home field advantage and a big boom boom stick). this game of life is about survival and clearly some of us are survivors. and some of yall live in a fairy tale land of lolly pops and candy canes. some of us have been around and seen the evil of the world and refuse to lay down and taken be advantage of. anyways, not trying to piss anybody off but i want to inform some of the reasons why we(gun enthusiast) do what we do.

[J-Dogg]

Yah because SOMEONE from this SITE would be able to LOCATE ME.. and then BREAK into my HOME... then STEAL my Guns.. ya great FANTASY... Try again.. MY IP bounces all over the globe for one.. SERIOUSLY... VPN's are GREAT... so no one can ever locate my exact location... in fact I think I am somewhere in EUROPE Right now... Nope China... hahaha.. OBVIOUSLY I am NOT retarded... I know how to keep myself safe...

What you jealous of MY Collection buddy is that it... Hahaha DON'T WORRY.. Me posting pictures of MY FIREARM COLLECTION will NEVER EVER end me up having said collection STOLEN or result in MY DEATH...

Think logically dude, this is the internet... YOU CAN NOT LOCATE MY EXACT ADDRESS Nor REAL NAME nor any OTHER pertinent info from a goddamned WEB FORUM...

Settle down there fella, no IP nerd is going to break into your house, and no, i doubt any pictures on the forum will cause someone to break into your house.

But I'm sure other people know of your gun collection. Maybe I'm wrong, but someone who is so proud of it, post it on the internet and brags about the right to bear arms and owns a huge assult rifle collection probably tells a few people about it.

Even family may brag about "uncle duces" gun collection to the wrong person.

[Hazard]

If i'm not mistaken..... the crime rates in states that allow their citizens to carry is lower than the states that don't.

Simple logic would tell you that a criminal would think twice about robbing you if he thought you may be carrying a gun.....

~Haz~

[The Deuce]

clearly you know little to nothing about ceasing a house. it takes mere second to break into a house and take control(kill or hostage). like i said before, if it only takes seconds to break in, how would you be able to run to your bedroom and grab your gun if your in the kitchen or living room? and thats just a situation where its only one man. what if you have family scatter throughout the house. if you have weapons hidden around the house then you could be within seconds of having the high ground over the enemy(home field advantage and a big boom boom stick). this game of life is about survival and clearly some of us are survivors. and some of yall live in a fairy tale land of lolly pops and candy canes. some of us have been around and seen the evil of the world and refuse to lay down and taken be advantage of. anyways, not trying to piss anybody off but i want to inform some of the reasons why we(gun enthusiast) do what we do.

Well SAID Brother.. well said... I agree 100 percent.. I have seen enough evil to last a 100 lifetimes, having my SIS taken from me in the way she was.. well has LEFT me The way I am.. I know it has.. do I have underlying issues from it.. yah probably.. but that doesn't mean I shouldn't take my hobby to the extreme.. lol.. Yah I have agreed my collection is extensive...

But like I said.. Extensive or NOT.. I feel MORE THAN SAFE... I almost feel.. what's the term.. COMFORTABLE IN MY ENVIRONMENT...

I bet people will think i am even crazier when I say I carry 3 guns on me at all times... sometimes 4 depending on the situation..

Certain situations call upon different things.. hence my massive collection..

But it's not only that.. IT'S A HOBBY. Some people collect coins and stamps.. I collect weapons and ammo.

To top it off.. IT'S AN INVESTMENT.. Should I die right now.. My children could sell off EVERY GUN I own and pay there way all the way through MED SCHOOL or LAW SCHOOL without Blinking and EYE ... then BUY A HOUSE and still have enough weaponry left over to protect their Home with...

Call me crazy.. I don't care.. I call myself prepared for whatever the future may hold.

Settle down there fella, no IP nerd is going to break into your house, and no, i doubt any pictures on the forum will cause someone to break into your house.

But I'm sure other people know of your gun collection. Maybe I'm wrong, but someone who is so proud of it, post it on the internet and brags about the right to bear arms and owns a huge assult rifle collection probably tells a few people about it.

Even family may brag about "uncle duces" gun collection to the wrong person.

LOL.. Yah I get your point, true.. SOME People Know of SOME of what I have but ONLY MY WIFE AND I know of what I truly have.. and you guys, but then again.. You guys don't really KNOW KNOW Who I am ... so that's why I offered the glimpse.. obviously I wasn't going to broadcast my name, addy, and every weapon I own.. PLUS WHAT My ARMORY looks like.. for ways of people to try and exploit it..

No and hahaha UNCLE DEUCE does not show his Nieces or Nephews the Basement.. it's Passcode protected by fingerprint analysis.. really neat and relatively inexpensive.. well within the reach of any citizen.. the whole set up cost less then 500 smackeroo's to get set up in it's entirety.. Definitely worth it.. It accepts 2 thumb prints.. Mine, and Hers... and ONE other thing I will not divulge in case someone decides to kill me and take my thumb and try to access it.. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY RIGHT.

I guess my point is...

I JUST WANTED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOW OFF TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT.. I CAN NOT REALLY SHOW THIS TO TOO MANY PEOPLE.. IN FEAR THEY MIGHT TRY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.. SO I GUESS MY SECRET WAS EATING A HOLE IN ME AND I NEEDED TO SHOW SOMEONE.. AND WHO BETTER TO TRUST THEN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CLUE WHO I REALLY AM.. BUT STILL PEOPLE WHO I HONESTLY AND TRULY CARE ABOUT.. YOU GUYS.

Every Firearm was obtained legally.. and all are registered.. The ATF knows what THEY NEED TO. They also have exclusive rights to enter my premise whenever they chose and I will without moments hesitation grant them that.. trust me.. My Class III stamp means THE WORLD TO ME.

I Just NEEDED TO SHARE ... Just a tidbit of my secret life.. that's all this is really about...

If i'm not mistaken..... the crime rates in states that allow their citizens to carry is lower than the states that don't.

Simple logic would tell you that a criminal would think twice about robbing you if he thought you may be carrying a gun.....

~Haz~

Exactly Haz... Exactly !!!

[J-Dogg]

If i'm not mistaken..... the crime rates in states that allow their citizens to carry is lower than the states that don't.

Simple logic would tell you that a criminal would think twice about robbing you if he thought you may be carrying a gun.....

~Haz~

simple logic tells me that he just has to make sure he has one, and keeps it on you.

you guys really don't realize a lot about criminals. Not all criminals are just crack heads.

the hottest thing on the black market is and always has been guns, mostly hand guns. anyone in the law system will tell you that.

To most people a gun equals power, a criminal see's you carring a gun, he wants that power.

It's not the wild west, not everyone can be trusted with guns and our founders probably never saw us having 20 assult rifles in our basements. Times change, problems change. At the time we wrote the constitution, do you remember how we were fighting wars? Lining up in strait rows and shooting across an open field at one another. Do you not think times have changed?

Honestly, the constitution amazes me because they authors did forsee a lot. But so much has changed in 200+ years. Generally your gun buffs are also your "shut down the border" buffs too, and during that time of america being founded we were all immigrants and no one was turned away.

[Hazard]

see the problem with saying criminals this and criminals that is they obtain their guns illegally..... the guns are not registered. They are not walking up to a guy in texas..... shooting him and taking his gun to trade it..... guns are sold on the black market overseas ALL THE TIME......

Maybe there should be a terroist attack on peoples personal residences...... those not armed will stand no chance..... those lucky enough to survive may not think they same about guns.....

For the record..... I am not a gun owner.....

~Haz~

[peteroy01]

To most people a gun equals power, a criminal see's you carring a gun, he wants that power.

you cant carry a hand gun in plan sight. thats why its called a concealed carry permit. you can actually get in trouble with the law if you can plainly see a pistol on somebody because its considered a threat.

[Hazard]

simple logic tells me that he just has to make sure he has one, and keeps it on you.

Then explain why that doesn't happen in those states?

Let me ask you two questions.....

1) Lets just say you were a criminal. Lets say someone gave you a choice of robbing two people..... one had a gun..... the other didn't - who would you choose to rob?

2) Lets say you were walking with your wife down a nice bicycle path and someone came up to you. This person had a large knife..... standing infront of you and your wife...... He asks for everything you've got. would you not wish you were armed to protect your wife from, god forbid, a possible raping and possibly death to yourself. Or would you be fine with handing over your watch, wallet, and testicals...... hoping he's going to let you guys go with your lives?

SOME gun control..... ok..... but some of this "gun hating" has gone way too far.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

At the time we wrote the constitution, do you remember how we were fighting wars? Lining up in strait rows and shooting across an open field at one another. Do you not think times have changed?

Wrong..... us "common folk" wanted to become our own nation and seperate..... problem was..... we didn't have all the military training. We were guerilla fighters...... laying in cotton fields...... ambushing the enemy. We had to resort to "unconventional" methods to win our freedom.

Honestly, the constitution amazes me because they authors did forsee a lot. But so much has changed in 200+ years. Generally your gun buffs are also your "shut down the border" buffs too, and during that time of america being founded we were all immigrants and no one was turned away.

My grand parents were 100% belgian who fled to america around WWII - My grandparents came to america..... got their citizenship..... and were an active part in society NOT sucking taxpayer money from the system. Those who wish to come to america should be ALLOWED.... but they SHOULD HAVE TO DOIT RIGHT......

~Haz~

[peteroy01]

i carry brass knuckles when i walk or run with my wife and kid. if shtf then ill take the charges of having an illegal weapon for protecting my fam. hell i can fight pretty well with just my knucks but if there is 2-3 or em it will only take 1 hit each. its is kinda scary cause i know if i hit someone clean with the brass theres a good there cheek bone will touch their brain stem.

i have no idea why i posted this

[terraj]

Deuce,

These are are straight questions brother.

Have you ever been outside the states?

Could you ever leave the states?

Thanks

Terraj

[Narkissos]

AWESOME pic.

[The Deuce]

Terraj

Yes and Yes.

I am NOT a Felon and I travel abroad on OCCASION...

odd questions but I shall answer them

[ranging1]

High crime rate compared to? That's a blanket statement, rather ambiguous too. To be fair, and interestingly enough, the areas of our country which have some of the strictest gun control laws and ordinances have violent crime rates well above the national average. In contrast, areas of the country which once had violent crime rates significantly above the national average, saw their violent crime rates drop a couple of percentage points BELOW the national average after instituting "shall issue" conceal and carry laws. What this means is that any citizen can apply and be granted a permit to conceal a firearm on or about their person, so long as they don't have a criminal record or a history of being committed to a mental institution.

I'm going to try to avoid a policy debate, both because your political ideology in Australia is starkly different from ours here in the United States, and because most people are not informed enough on this particular issue to have a meaningful debate and really know what they are talking about. Rather, these debates usually end with me presenting rationed arguments supported by facts, statistics, and logic, and the other party retorting with emotional rhetoric and liberal propaganda without merit.

The primary reason for the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution, was as the peoples final line of defense against tyranny and oppressive government. In the event that legislative channels became corrupt or unresponsive to the citizenry, they would always have the ability to defend themselves with an effective tool, and in this case the firearm. The evidence is clear from documents, journals, letters, and other materials which the founding fathers and authors of the constitution left behind.

Furthermore, we can consider the practical and moral need for guns in today's American society. While it would be ideal to imagine a society where guns did not exist and were not available, this Utopian liberal wet dream is not a reality. Guns do exist, and criminals do have access to them. Whether or not we banned guns, and then rounded up all existing guns(an impossible task), criminals would still have a demand for guns. That means, that criminals would be able to obtain guns even if none were sold or manufactured in the United States. As we know, where there is a demand, there will ALWAYS be a supply. This is evidenced by the fact that illicit drugs are completely banned and not produced in the United States, yet millions of tons of marijuana and cocaine make it across our borders every single year. So what would happen in a situation like this, is that criminals would possess guns, and police would possess guns, yet the ordinary citizen would be at the mercy of criminals and would have to pray that a police officer can be everywhere at every time to protect the citizen from these armed criminals.

Rather, if one takes a pragmatic approach to the issue of firearms. One realizes that firearms are on Earth, and are here to stay. One then realizes that you must give the citizen the right to own these weapons in order to exercise his right endowed to him by his creator to protect himself with the best means possible. Furthermore, if we take a statistical approach, all evidence indicates that citizens who choose to obtain a CCW permit, are safer, more law abiding, and more responsible. Florida for instance, has issued 1.5 million CCW permits since 1986 when their law went into effect, and has revoked 166 of those permits for a gun related crime after issuance of the CCW permit. Those are impressive numbers, and they dispel the myth that the streets turn into the wild west, and people start drawing their weapons for every little argument. That is purely liberal propaganda, with absolutely no merit, and no factual evidence to support it. In contrast, Washington D.C. had a complete ban on handguns, and yet remained even into today, as a city with one of the highest murder rates related to gun crime in the country.

The last point we must consider with restraining the government from banning citizens to own firearms, is their equalizing effect. There exists no other weapon, which can give an elderly grandmother the ability to resist the attack from a younger, larger, stronger, faster attacker. A firearm in the hands of the elderly grandmother, gives her a fighting chance to overtake what would otherwise be an easy victory for her more powerful attacker. Additionally, there exists no other weapon which can give a person who may be outnumbered 10:1 the ability to fight off a violent or deadly attack, and be able to come out of that situation alive and maybe even unharmed. So whether criminals have guns or not, law abiding citizens should always retain their right to own and carry firearms for those aforementioned reasons.


Hopefully those of you in other countries will open your minds up and give real consideration to what I have said, and maybe think twice before criticizing our countries policy on firearms, and a societal value that we hold dear.

lol jesus could typed a little less, i know u wanna get ur arguement across but its forum not a novel yea lol

i get what your saying but my point is having guns is the not the problem,

my thoughts are why on earth does a person need a AK-47 or automatic assualt rifle to protect themselves?

i mean seriously its advance military weaponry your using, u don't need something like that to protect yourself..

u talk about criminals having weapons, and yes your right they will always have them, but selling weaponry like automatic assault rifles legally is only going to make the problem worse, least if their illegal it makes it difficult for them

plus i c your point about banning firearms in Washington, however of course that is just plain stupid and ineffective policy, especially when almost every other state u can buy fire arms anyways, all u have to do is walk across the border to another state

i understand why your founding fathers created the right to own firearms, but at the same time those founding fathers weren't aware that today people would have access to such advance weaponry

I'm not saying that maybe they would've thought differently if they were aware and no I'm not going to argue this since yes your right this is a debatable subject

also IMO though i do think having such advance weaponry is absurd , i don't see a day when Americans will be heavily restricted from weaponry, nor should yous be restricted, because yous are such a huge economic empire that derives many of its ability to sustain itself in the world through military influence/power and control

history as repeated itself in showing that America has sustained itself through its military influence, so i think having gun control in such an empire is only going to weaken your global economic position

[CBGB]

This is a FEW of my Favorites.. I keep these ones upstairs in the event I can't get down to my Armory at night.. so These ones lay scattered around the house.. HIDDEN of course.. where only the WIFE and I know where they are... All Are Loaded with 5.56 FMJ ... except the Norinco-- which of course is 7.62 x 39 (JHP--125gr. 2400fps.. MmMmM GOODNESS) and the Springfield SAR-8 which is chambered in my FAVORITE SNIPER Round outside of the 50BMG.. the .308 (WHICH of course is loaded with 175gr. Hollow Point, copper jacketed, compressed powder core.. DRT'S !![Dead Right There] !!!


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Now if the need arose where I needed to KILL A MOTHERFVCKER That threatened MY LIFE, My WIFE'S LIFE, Or One of My kids Life.. BEST BELIEVE WITHOUT A MOMENTS HESITATION I would send them to whichever GOD they wished. With less than 2.2lbs of Pressure.. and for EXTRA Measure I might just empty the FULL 30rnds into their DEAD CORPSE for even TRYING To take WHAT IS MINE... What I hold nearest and dear... MY LIFE. Or The Lives of MY FAMILY.
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You have children in the house? With all of that scattered around your house? Disturbing!

For the record. I own multiple guns.

[The Deuce]

SERIOUSLY J-DOGG


Although the friggen constitution was WRITTEN 200 years ago.. THE ONLY ONE THAT PEOPLE DEBATE TO THIS DAY IS THE 2ND AMENDMENT.. They LOVE the rest...

Honestly.. Let me RE-POST Haz's questions for you again..


Let me ask you two questions.....

1) Lets just say you were a criminal. Lets say someone gave you a choice of robbing two people..... one had a gun..... the other didn't - who would you choose to rob?

2) Lets say you were walking with your wife down a nice bicycle path and someone came up to you. This person had a large knife..... standing infront of you and your wife...... He asks for everything you've got. would you not wish you were armed to protect your wife from, god forbid, a possible raping and possibly death to yourself. Or would you be fine with handing over your watch, wallet, and testicals...... hoping he's going to let you guys go with your lives?


GUNS ARE A NECESSITY.

Plain and simple.


And the CONSTITUTION.. Written HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO.. Was written to stay in effect .. WITHOUT CHANGE for as LONG as the UNITED STATES of AMERICA was a COUNTRY...

Not to ever be modified or changed.


Guns will always be. People who shouldn't have guns.. THE LOSERS.. obtain them through illegal ways.. AKA Black Market.

As far as SHUTTING THE BORDER DOWN.. Yes, there should be a monitoring system. The country is in ECONOMIC CRISIS.. We CAN NOT afford to take anymore people in... YET.. Illegals come into this country.. and COMMIT CRIMES... and STEAL JOBS.. yes STEAL because LOSER employees would rather save a buck and Pay an ILLEGAL to do the work for 2 dollars an Hour.. and that way he could hire 10 illegals to get the work done of 1 HARD WORKING AMERICAN.

That is BS.

Then you got the REFUGEES.. Who come here.. from 3rd world countries.. thrust into this country.. still living off the belief system of their country and thinking it's OK TO BEAT WOMEN.. OR STAB SOMEONE TO GET A BUCK.. or STEAL.. and KILL.. and RAPE...

Dude, I live it FIRST HAND.. The state I live in.. JUST ACCEPTED IN 10,000 Somalian Refugees.. Our CRIME RATE went from 3.14% all the way to 11.86% ... There's some fvcking factual NUMBERS FOR YOU.

They come here thinking they can still live like they did when they were in their country.

They commit all these crimes and think it is OK.

To top it OFF.. They LIVE FVCKING FREE... No Taxes.. Free Housing, a FREE CAR, Free JOB... Free FOOD... While I watch.. and WATCH and WATCH ... Our OWN AMERICAN CITIZENS... Freezing and Starving in the streets.. KIDS FOR CHRISSAKES... So these SOMALIAN Immigrants can LIVE COMFORTABLY... No... FCK THAT !!! WRONG !!

DO you see where this is wrong.. DO YOU !?!?!?!?!?

But YES by ALL MEANS.. Let's leave the BORDER OPEN... So more of these people can POOR IN and Up our CRIME RATE... And Live FREE.. Because ... AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW We feel BAD FOR THEM because their COUNTRY IS IN TURMOIL....

WHAT ABOUT OUR COUNTRY !!!! It is in TURMOIL... The BORDER Should be shut until EVERY Born and Raised American Citizen, has a place to SLEEP, EAT, and WORK.

Fvck everyone else.. seriously...

Ok, that's wrong.. FCK EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY TO MOOCH LIVE FREE, AND COMMIT HEINOUS CRIMES...

But yes I do agree that ANYONE Willing to Work Hard and Make their Due here.. should be allowed here... pay taxes LIKE EVERY OTHER CITIZEN of this Country..


AHHHHH Now I am getting Pissed....



ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS SHARE MY FVCKING GUN COLLECTION WITH YOU GUYS .... NOW LOOK WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED.. YOU COULDN'T HAVE TAKEN IT FOR WHAT IT WAS WORTH AND SAID... WOW COOL MAN, NICE COLLECTION. AND LEFT ALL OTHER COMMENTS OUT..

Next time I'll know better NOT to share anything with you guys.. Jesus.

[The Deuce]

You have children in the house? With all of that scattered around your house? Disturbing!

For the record. I own multiple guns.

Guns are well out of reach, My daughter.. who is OLD ENOUGH to know what a gun is.. 9 years old.. Knows gun safety.. brought her up around guns.. she goes shooting with me... And she HAS no idea where they are. The 3 year old Doesn't have enough power to cock a gun let along take the safety off and FIRE IT...

Yes there are scattered firearms.. BUT I AM NOT A RETARD. I would NEVER Put a Gun within reach of my CHILDREN.. Far too many accidents... NEVER EVER EVER... Plus... The rooms that the Guns are in, are OFF LIMIT rooms , unless Mommy and/or Daddy are present... They have their own rooms and a Play room for certain reasons... When I am Home, If the need arises, My 1911 IS ON my Side at all times.. then, I could fend off an attack until I got to one of my Key point where the rifles are located and access them to acquisition an take down a targeted threat.

Trust me.. I don't just leave AR-15's laying on the friggen Coffee table for my CHILDREN to play with. Within MY REACH. Now where NEAR their little hands... Hidden is Hidden.. Accessible only at a height of 5'6"... she's a shade over 4 feet.. she's need a ladder.. alas.. There are NONE... plus.. SHE HAS NO IDEA THEY ARE THERE.

All bases covered bro.. Fret not. I know what I am doing... I am a MEMBER of the IDPA where SAFETY is the UTMOST concern when FIREARMS and WEAPONRY are in Question.

[The Deuce]

Oh and BTW... Advanced WEAPONRY is a necessity.. being from Australia I am sure you heard of 9/11... who hasn't...

Then I am sure you heard of THE TALIBAN... Sure you have...

You think they carry .22's?? HAHAHAHA.. No, RPG's and AK's dude...

And YES, They train urban warfare.. which is WHERE they kick in DOORS of CIVILIAN Homes to OCCUPY them to make advancements ON OUR SOIL towards their Goal... TAKE OVER.

[terraj]

Terraj

Yes and Yes.

I am NOT a Felon and I travel abroad on OCCASION...

odd questions but I shall answer them

Not an odd question at all really.

I was thinking that a guy who had been through what happened to your sister and a guy that feels the need to carry 3 guns on him at a time, well.... it would appear that you may have some security issues.


Don't shoot, I mean no offense.

[The Deuce]

Security issues yes... But Isolationism NO...

I Still need to LIVE LIFE...


I thought you were asking them for a totally different reason.. my bad... and PLEASE.. Don't make a comment like that...

I DON'T FVCKING SHOOT PEOPLE... I shoot CARDBOARD TARGETS.