Breaking News Deadly School Shooting In Newtown Ct.

[Honkey_Kong]

A bag of coke isn't going to kill upwards of 30 innocent people.

Guns are too ingrained into American culture now. I'm not sure what can be done to regulate it to stop stuff like this happening again (and it WILL happen again). Unless you impose Airport like security at places like schools, hospitals, etc, what can be done?

Depends on how big that bag is. But that's not my point. My point is making something illegal isn't going to stop people from having them.

Guns aren't really what's ingrained in American culture. It's the environment that pushes people to murder that's engrained in our culture. If not guns, then we have knives to worry about and box cutters. Get rid of those and we still have to worry about bombs and poisons. Ted Kazinski didn't kill anyone with a gun.

[Flagg]

as far as me shooting if i had a gun in a thearter sounds great. But how would you feel if i pulled it and starting trying to shoot the gunman and missed and killed your family member. Everyone thinks they are snipper and under gunfire, panic and people running they can pick the person off no issue. please.

the problem with stand your ground i dont need to start shit. You could start shit and because now your scared im going to fvck you up you can legally shoot me. Yes would i be less likely to start something if i knew the person was carrying. But the issue is the people who are packing are more prone to start shit. Because they know they have a gun and the other person cant do shit. So again guns turn alot of pvssy's into tough guys

Unfortunately, when people play Call of Duty or watch movies like the Expendables or Matrix, they think they can do all that in real life.

Take the movie theatre example again. So someone walks in, starts shooting, everyone panics and runs. So you pull a gun to try and find the guy and then wow, you've been shot by a 3rd party who thinks you're the shooter.

[dan991]

as far as me shooting if i had a gun in a thearter sounds great. But how would you feel if i pulled it and starting trying to shoot the gunman and missed and killed your family member. Everyone thinks they are snipper and under gunfire, panic and people running they can pick the person off no issue. please.

There is no right or wrong doing in that situation. not to be a dick but 1-2 dead is a lot better than 20

the problem with stand your ground i dont need to start shit. You could start shit and because now your scared im going to fvck you up you can legally shoot me. Yes would i be less likely to start something if i knew the person was carrying. But the issue is the people who are packing are more prone to start shit. Because they know they have a gun and the other person cant do shit. So again guns turn alot of pvssy's into tough guys

Again.. there is nothing you can do to fix stupid. You can do what you can to protect yourself one way or another. Anti-Gun people want to take away peoples right to protect themselves? Because the nut jobs are gonna stop using guns if everyone says please? Fvck that...

[Rwy]

As an pro gun person and collector I have NO problem with making stricter laws when it comes to the purchase of firearms. You want me to wait a week...fine, you want me to wait a month...fine, you want my ID and SSN...OK, I will comply with whatever you need me to comply with in order to enjoy my right to own firearms without crazy restrictions. You want to make harsher crimes for gun related crimes...go for it...

None of this will stop the US from being a naturaly violent society. We were born in blood and we will continue to live in blood!

I state again...you want to fix this shyt then be a good parent, be involved with your children, instill good values and help them make good decisions! Stopping violent behavior starts at home! Not in the court system...it's to late by then!

This is so naive dude. Because for every 100 good parents all it takes is one bad one to ruin the lives of many.

[dan991]

What do you guys think a cop is gonna do in a movie theatre? A person TRAINED to use a gun is going to use it the way they are TRAINED. Nobody is gonna just start shooting in the air... this shit ain't the movies where dude is gonna duck under a seat and hide while firing blindly.

Okay- fvck guns.... which one of you are willing to pay the tax increase to have a uniformed police officer in every single public place? A cop at every business, school, public gathering place, bar, etc... that fixes a lot.

[AXx]

What do you guys think a cop is gonna do in a movie theatre? A person TRAINED to use a gun is going to use it the way they are TRAINED. Nobody is gonna just start shooting in the air... this shit ain't the movies where dude is gonna duck under a seat and hide while firing blindly.

Okay- fvck guns.... which one of you are willing to pay the tax increase to have a uniformed police officer in every single public place? A cop at every business, school, public gathering place, bar, etc... that fixes a lot.

We actually have SRO's (school resource officer) in all of out schools. They work just like a teacher does, they wear uniforms, guns, handcuffs the whole 9 yards.

[HitIt]

the board of education in my county has it's own police force (public schools) all armed with glock .40's

[Rwy]

You put one police officer in this situation it is just going to make the gunmen seek them out before they start killing everyone else

how do you fail to see that

[Flagg]

What do you guys think a cop is gonna do in a movie theatre? A person TRAINED to use a gun is going to use it the way they are TRAINED. Nobody is gonna just start shooting in the air... this shit ain't the movies where dude is gonna duck under a seat and hide while firing blindly.

Okay- fvck guns.... which one of you are willing to pay the tax increase to have a uniformed police officer in every single public place? A cop at every business, school, public gathering place, bar, etc... that fixes a lot.

Your budget for the military is HUGE. I'd wager if people had the choice for more of their tax dollar to be spent on the police force, if it had to come to sticking cops in buildings where there is a high density of people, over spending money on blowing up third world shitholes and sending troops to die, people would choose better police protection.

In the end of the day, the average person cares about what is happening in their own part of the world. No one really gives a shit what's happening in Egypt or Syria, except for Egyptians and Syrians.

[gixxerboy1]

You put one police officer in this situation it is just going to make the gunmen seek them out before they start killing everyone else

how do you fail to see that

i agree.

[dan991]

You put one police officer in this situation it is just going to make the gunmen seek them out before they start killing everyone else

how do you fail to see that

Its lowering the odds regardless. *Someone* is armed in the area.

None of this is ever gonna be a perfect situation. What I'm trying to figure out is what do all these anti-gun people think they are going to accomplish by taking away guns from legal, and sane people? Let say every legal gun in the US is turned in... then what? Ya think the crackheads, nut jobs, and armed robbers are gonna stop using their guns? You can't stop them from coming in from the outside either. The same dude that is moving Kilo's of coke can just as easily move AK47's....

[dan991]

i agree.

Okay- well Gixxer or anyone else... if you were in that school today... what would you have done to stop that dude without a gun? How would you have stopped him from executing 2 class rooms of kids without a gun?

[dan991]

20 children are dead today because nobody could stop the gunman... that's a fact. Had one person, just one; even had the chance to fire back then maybe it would've been only 10, or 1, or none. That is the sad part.... nothing nor anyone could stop him.

[gixxerboy1]

Its lowering the odds regardless. *Someone* is armed in the area.

None of this is ever gonna be a perfect situation. What I'm trying to figure out is what do all these anti-gun people think they are going to accomplish by taking away guns from legal, and sane people? Let say every legal gun in the US is turned in... then what? Ya think the crackheads, nut jobs, and armed robbers are gonna stop using their guns? You can't stop them from coming in from the outside either. The same dude that is moving Kilo's of coke can just as easily move AK47's....

ug but the drug dealers moving a kilo of coke arent the ones doing mass shootings, when has it been a crackhead shooting up a mall. Pro gun people always use the boogie men to scare people into why you need guns.
its the people who bought the gun fvcking legally. I'm not saying take away everyone's guns for the 100th time. But we need stricter testing, backgrounds checks something so we dont sell them legally to these idiots.

[likelifting]

20 children are dead today because nobody could stop the gunman... that's a fact. Had one person, just one; even had the chance to fire back then maybe it would've been only 10, or 1, or none. That is the sad part.... nothing nor anyone could stop him.

I'm not saying that putting one armed guard at a school is the answer, but post quoted above is the absolute truth.

[dan991]

The dude that did this did NOT own the gun. His MOM owned the gun... he stole them from his mom; watch the news...

[likelifting]

ug but the drug dealers moving a kilo of coke arent the ones doing mass shootings, when has it been a crackhead shooting up a mall. Pro gun people always use the boogie men to scare people into why you need guns.
its the people who bought the gun fvcking legally. I'm not saying take away everyone's guns for the 100th time. But we need stricter testing, backgrounds checks something so we dont sell them legally to these idiots.

Too slipery of a slope for me.

[Shol'va]

now now there gixxer. you've seen the video of the old man chase the two thugs away with his pea shooter. no one else got hit. and if I had a gun, like any other concealed permit owner I know, if I was in that theater i'd wait for a clear shot, just like a cop if they were magically on the scene...

Cops are always on the scene as long as donuts are involved...







And this cop dropped his donut just in time to hit a phone booth...

[gixxerboy1]

20 children are dead today because nobody could stop the gunman... that's a fact. Had one person, just one; even had the chance to fire back then maybe it would've been only 10, or 1, or none. That is the sad part.... nothing nor anyone could stop him.

and maybe if the suppose responsible gun owner kept her shit locked up or a trigger lock on her guns her son would not have gotten to them and nothing would have happened.

[Rwy]

Its lowering the odds regardless. *Someone* is armed in the area.

None of this is ever gonna be a perfect situation. What I'm trying to figure out is what do all these anti-gun people think they are going to accomplish by taking away guns from legal, and sane people? Let say every legal gun in the US is turned in... then what? Ya think the crackheads, nut jobs, and armed robbers are gonna stop using their guns? You can't stop them from coming in from the outside either. The same dude that is moving Kilo's of coke can just as easily move AK47's....

lol

you want to lower the odds get rid of guns

[gixxerboy1]

Too slipery of a slope for me.

stricter testing and backgorund checks arent going to kill anyone. Selling a gun to the wrong person will.

[likelifting]

But we would be eroding our 2nd amendment rights, imo.

[dan991]

A gun be licensed or "legal" or be illegal is completely irrelevant when it comes to nut jobs doing massing killings. Anyone contemplating a mass killing doesn't care about the legality of a pistol and in all reality its easier to illegally obtain a pistol than it is to legally obtain one. How is one more background check, license, or anything like that going to make a difference? A nut job isn't worried about getting a license before he decides to go on a shooting spree....

[Rwy]

The dude that did this did NOT own the gun. His MOM owned the gun... he stole them from his mom; watch the news...

It is also being said that the brothers havent spoken in years. What does that tell you. There are issues in the family. So regardless who owns it doesnt mean shit. They are a family that is ****ed up and none of them should have had guns. I am really not trying to be an asshole but you are making some terrible points man

[Rwy]

A gun be licensed or "legal" or be illegal is completely irrelevant when it comes to nut jobs doing massing killings. Anyone contemplating a mass killing doesn't care about the legality of a pistol and in all reality its easier to illegally obtain a pistol than it is to legally obtain one. How is one more background check, license, or anything like that going to make a difference? A nut job isn't worried about getting a license before he decides to go on a shooting spree....

Yes its much easier for people to obtain illegal fire arms.....lol

Thats why all of these killings are usually done with legal fire arms

[gixxerboy1]

But we would be eroding our 2nd amendment rights, imo.

fvck im sick of the 2nd amendment bullshit. The world has changed in over 200 years. time to fvcking adapt, it isnt the wild west anymore and your not protecting yourself from a tyrannical government with some handguns

[Armykid93]

There were only 6 pages a couple hours ago....jeez

[Shol'va]

Now they are saying the kid had autism and aspergers syndrome. So I wonder how was he able to get ahold of guns period?

[dan991]

Guys.. lets not knock anyone in this thread today... not even the cops. Reality is; I feel just as bad for the first responders to that scene as I do for the family members of the victims. Do you wanna be the first cop on scene to walk into a classroom of 20 dead children? Can we keep the jokes away on this topic....

[Rwy]

But we would be eroding our 2nd amendment rights, imo.

which was written before people started walking into schools shooting people, flying planes into buildings

[dan991]

it isnt the wild west anymore and your not protecting yourself from a tyrannical government with some handguns

You say that now but wait till Obama's term is over and you may want a gun yourself... lol

[Shol'va]

fvck im sick of the 2nd amendment bullshit. The world has changed in over 200 years. time to fvcking adapt, it isnt the wild west anymore and your not protecting yourself from a tyrannical government with some handguns

I sympathize with your frustration Gixx but as long as we continue to send the same morons up to represent us in Washington, we will continue to have these and other pressing problems in America. There is an old saying it goes something like this..
If we cannot learn from our mistakes,
We are condemned to repeat them....

[likelifting]

I should say thoughts and prayers to all the families victims before I started debating how to fix this mess.

Hopefully they can be comforted, somehow, in all this mess.

[Rwy]

Now they are saying the kid had autism and aspergers syndrome. So I wonder how was he able to get ahold of guns period?

What do you mean? Those diseases are not always death sentences for people. Its not like handing a retarded person a gun.

[likelifting]

fvck im sick of the 2nd amendment bullshit. The world has changed in over 200 years. time to fvcking adapt, it isnt the wild west anymore and your not protecting yourself from a tyrannical government with some handguns

And I'm fvckin sick of everytime there is a shooting someone wants to go after gun owners rights.

[gixxerboy1]

I sympathize with your frustration Gixx but as long as we continue to send the same morons up to represent us in Washington, we will continue to have these and other pressing problems in America.

its not the people as much as the $$ and lobbyist. And that goes for about every issue with both parties

[Rwy]

fvck im sick of the 2nd amendment bullshit. The world has changed in over 200 years. time to fvcking adapt, it isnt the wild west anymore and your not protecting yourself from a tyrannical government with some handguns

its crazy how ridiculous people sound

[gixxerboy1]

And I'm fvckin sick of everytime there is a shooting someone wants to go after gun owners rights.

what about our rights not to get killed by your guns?

[Shol'va]

What do you mean? Those diseases are not always death sentences for people. Its not like handing a retarded person a gun.

Well according to some news sources somebody did...They were trying to figure how someone with his condition was able to gain access to such high powered weapons. But if he took them without consent from his mom, that's another story. And like mentioned above why didn't she have them locked?

[likelifting]

Originally Posted by dan68131

The dude that did this did NOT own the gun. His MOM owned the gun... he stole them from his mom; watch the news...

It is also being said that the brothers havent spoken in years. What does that tell you. There are issues in the family. So regardless who owns it doesnt mean shit. They are a family that is ****ed up and none of them should have had guns. I am really not trying to be an asshole but you are making some terrible points man

Why is making the point that the gun used in this shooting was probably obtained illegally a terrible point?