The body fat, fat cell, abs, and Blue Oyster Bar thread.....

[dan991]

The only thing that is undisputable and without argument about this entire thread is...Dan, your an ugly fuker (good thing you say you make bank) lol

Oh shut up.... lol

[RaginCajun]

Someone say boobs?

[GirlyGymRat]

Someone say boobs?

Nicest package of fat cells u ever seen????

[dan991]

Here the thing: my skin is freaking thin dude. I have vascarity on my abdomen. The bod pod said i was 9.9% at 193lbs 5'9"

U say im 19% based on flawed logic (IMO) and ur opinion..

Im going with the bod pod on this one. Ill look up dxa and see if there is one around here.

You're 5'9".... we are gonna be REALLY close. Bod Pod is shit... +/- 3% is A LOT when calculating such a small range (3-40%) The difference between 3-7% body fat for example is visually significant.

My logic is based on math.

9.9% of 193 is 19.1 pounds
19% of 188 is 35.7 pounds

So... think about that for a second. One inch height difference....

[Back In Black]

So here's the actual point to this... If at 188.3 lbs and 19% body fat I look like that.... what does a person of the same height that claims to be 200 lbs 8% look like? Fvcking Arnold!

Yes Dan. Those were Arnold's exact stats. FFS, is black white?

[ReX357]

The argument is people claiming to be 8% body fat over their entire body- that's bullshit. If anything... most displace the fat over a larger area by gaining size from working out; not necessarily "losing" it. The average person carries damn near 100,000 calories stored in the form of fat... you need calories to build muscle.

You're wrong. Body fat measurement is an overall measurement. It's how much of your weight is fat. It doesn't matter where it is. So if you're 8% body fat, and you weight 200 lbs, it means that 16 lbs out of your overall 200 lbs is pure fat.

Your argument is invalid because by definition body fat is defined this way:

"The body fat percentage of a person or animal is the total weight of fat divided by total body weight."

It is purely based on weight. Location has no part in the equation.

The calipers and eyeballing measurements are obviously off but will get you close to your real value. The only accurate method is hydrostatic weighting.

[dan991]

Yes Dan. Those were Arnold's exact stats. FFS, is black white?

So... Gixx is an Arnold? And we have a shit load of Arnold's on the forum; most which have done ONE cycle and starting a second.... oh yea- they are all genetically Arnold....

[Lunk1]

Nicest package of fat cells u ever seen????

Amen sister..... on chicks anyhow lol

[Back In Black]

So... Gixx is an Arnold? And we have a shit load of Arnold's on the forum; most which have done ONE cycle and starting a second.... oh yea- they are all genetically Arnold....

I was being pedantic. Arnold was heavier and I'd argue leaner. Go back and answer my before and after post! Or comment that Phil Heath won the Olympia at 12%?

Or, just ignore it and have this thread closed before anyone else sees it and wonders wtf you are on?

[dan991]

Before

6ft
230lbs
No visible definition anywhere

After
6ft
190lbs
Visible abs and more definition in every part if the body.
Lean body mass visibly increased

So, what weight has he lost?

Is there supposed to be pics here?

What has he lost, a little bit of fat and a lot of water....

[Armykid93]

This is ridiculous. Dan you're not stupid but you are from your posts very obviously, incredibly immature. That's sad coming from a 20YO. You have done almost nothing but insight anger in people for no reason. Nobody gives a sh!t about your methods. We all use relatively the same methods on this board when it comes to damn near everything. There's a reason you've been here for 8 years and have such few posts. You have nothing valid to offer as long as you continue this behavior. Your only slightly above the sloot magnet in my opinion and i'm guessing the opinions of many others. Try using your knowledge to be productive instead of simply argumentative.

[Armykid93]

Is there supposed to be pics here?

What has he lost, a little bit of fat and a lot of water....

So your saying water is the culprit?

[evander87]

Ummmmm what the fvck is this thread about?!?!?!

[Back In Black]

Is there supposed to be pics here?

What has he lost, a little bit of fat and a lot of water....

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I guess, at least, you admit it's now possible to lose fat. And he's lost 30lbs of water!!!!!

Give your head a shake man!

[GirlyGymRat]

Ummmmm what the fvck is this thread about?!?!?!

For fun go to the link and read the beginning.....

[dan991]

I was being pedantic. Arnold was heavier and I'd argue leaner. Go back and answer my before and after post! Or comment that Phil Heath won the Olympia at 12%?

Or, just ignore it and have this thread closed before anyone else sees it and wonders wtf you are on?

Phil Heath- That guy defy's physics.... and I highly doubt anyone on this forum has the genetics that Phil Heath has. You have a better chance of hitting a Powerball jackpot.

I'm not on anything.. people on this forum running around claiming to be 5/6/7/8% body fat are on something unless they actually are a Phil Heath. Based on all the threads I have read- Phil Heath is nothing special. All you need is a cycle of DBol and some creatine, lol.

[Armykid93]

Phil Heath- That guy defy's physics.... and I highly doubt anyone on this forum has the genetics that Phil Heath has. You have a better chance of hitting a Powerball jackpot.

I'm not on anything.. people on this forum running around claiming to be 5/6/7/8% body fat are on something unless they actually are a Phil Heath. Based on all the threads I have read- Phil Heath is nothing special. All you need is a cycle of DBol and some creatine, lol.

So that means the hundreds of pro ifbb athletes defy physics all year long when cutting to super low bf for competitions?

[Zodiac82]

The only thing that is undisputable and without argument about this entire thread is...Dan, your an ugly fuker (good thing you say you make bank) lol

he kinda looks like wanderlai silva

[dan991]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I guess, at least, you admit it's now possible to lose fat. And he's lost 30lbs of water!!!!!

Give your head a shake man!

You can lose fat- never said you couldn't. I said you CANNOT lose fat cells short of surgery or cell destruction like chemotherapy, laser destruction, whatever. Running on a tread mill or ANY type of cardio does NOT destroy a fat cell.

Do you have any idea what size of area 30 lbs of fat takes up? Holy shit...

[Back In Black]

Your argument is that you can't lose fat %. Who gives a sh1t what stats people claim to be on here?

Regardless that Heath is unique, you're argument would be that, if he is normally 12%, then that is what he would be on stage. Or can pro bb's lose fat and the rest of us just lose water?

Your level of thinking is beyond my comprehension.

I'm off to eat chocolate and cake because I can't get any fatter!

[Back In Black]

You can lose fat- never said you couldn't. I said you CANNOT lose fat cells short of surgery or cell destruction like chemotherapy, laser destruction, whatever. Running on a tread mill or ANY type of cardio does NOT destroy a fat cell.

Do you have any idea what size of area 30 lbs of fat takes up? Holy shit...

Or 30lbs water?!?!

[dan991]

So that means the hundreds of pro ifbb athletes defy physics all year long when cutting to super low bf for competitions?

Hundreds out of 6,973,738,433 (world population) sure... that is possible and that does not physics. 50% of 217,299 (forum members) being IFBB pro's..... yea- that defy physics and since 3-4% margin of error in body fat is there with today's measurement techniques using Bod Pod- anyone on this forum that is at 8% body fat needs to register and run IFBB competitions because they could very well be 5% and in the same realm as Mr. Olympia, lol.

[Armykid93]

Hundreds out of 6,973,738,433 (world population) sure... that is possible and that does not physics. 50% of 217,299 (forum members) being IFBB pro's..... yea- that defy physics and since 3-4% margin of error in body fat is there with today's measurement techniques using Bod Pod- anyone on this forum that is at 8% body fat needs to register and run IFBB competitions because they could very well be 5% and in the same realm as Mr. Olympia, lol.

Why do you care about other peoples business. 50% of this forum isn't claiming anything. You sound crazy.

[dan991]

Or 30lbs water?!?!

Yea- water is displaced differently than fat. Most fat in men is where- midsection. Water is throughout your entire body and a majority of the mass that makes up your body.

[ReX357]

Hundreds out of 6,973,738,433 (world population) sure... that is possible and that does not physics. 50% of 217,299 (forum members) being IFBB pro's..... yea- that defy physics and since 3-4% margin of error in body fat is there with today's measurement techniques using Bod Pod- anyone on this forum that is at 8% body fat needs to register and run IFBB competitions because they could very well be 5% and in the same realm as Mr. Olympia, lol.

There's just so much wrong with your argument. Muscle mass is what matters to be an IFBB pro. 8% body fat on a crack head doesn't qualify them for Mr. Olympia.

Your theory is flawed and you're wrong from A to Z. Just admit to it. People will like you more for it.

[dan991]

Why do you care about other peoples business. 50% of this forum isn't claiming anything. You sound crazy.

I'm crazy? Go look at the stat's posts in the Q&A threads for members... how many of the 217,299 members registered on this forum are sub 15%? Damn near everyone.... except me. I'm 18-19% if I had to guess... but everyone else is sub 15%...

[Armykid93]

I'm crazy? Go look at the stat's posts in the Q&A threads for members... how many of the 217,299 members registered on this forum are sub 15%? Damn near everyone.... except me. I'm 18-19% if I had to guess... but everyone else is sub 15%...

Why does it matter? If they're lying they're lying. Its the internet. Again I ask why do you care about other peoples business?

[dan991]

There's just so much wrong with your argument. Muscle mass is what matters to be an IFBB pro. 8% body fat on a crack head doesn't qualify them for Mr. Olympia.

Your theory is flawed and you're wrong from A to Z. Just admit to it. People will like you more for it.

RIGHT.. MUSCLE MASS is what matters.... and 8% on a crack head doesn't qualify them for Mr. Olympia..... but all these guys that are claiming to be under 8% aren't crack heads... or are they?

[Capebuffalo]

he kinda looks like wanderlai silva

Or an emaciated elf.
Yeah I'm still hatin but I don't seem to be the only one. .

[dan991]

Why does it matter? If they're lying they're lying. Its the internet. Again I ask why do you care about other peoples business?

I don't care, that's why this thread is in the lounge... its just a discussion. I find it amazing and somewhat humorous at how many Phil Heath's are on the forum, lol. My argument in all of it is to sanity check what people think their BF level's are; that's all. The other topic started yesterday was ab routine... which was more productive in 3 posts than any of this. The fat cell discussion is just a logic discussion. Some say my logic is flawed; prove it with math and science. My source of information is reading medical/science publications of human anatomy. I've even cited some of them in a different thread.

[dan991]

Yeah I'm still hatin but I don't seem to be the only one. .

People don't like to be told that their body fat is higher than think it is.... lol. Just like I don't like it when girls tell me my cock is small.... my response is no, you're blown out.

[ReX357]

RIGHT.. MUSCLE MASS is what matters.... and 8% on a crack head doesn't qualify them for Mr. Olympia..... but all these guys that are claiming to be under 8% aren't crack heads... or are they?

No but they don't claim to be Mr. Olympia either.

Your displacement argument is where you're wrong. More muscle mass will mean an increase in overall skin surface. With more surface, the fat will spread over a larger area therefore revealing more muscle and vascularity. So 12% on a amateur bodybuilder will look way different than 12% on a IFBB pro since the IFBB pro will have more surface. The 12% amateur won't look half as cut because is surface area is much lesser's than the IFBB pro thus condensing is fat cells into a smaller area and creating a duller look. However, his overall total body fat percentage could still be 12%. Get it?

[dan991]

No but they don't claim to be Mr. Olympia either.

Your displacement argument is where you're wrong. More muscle mass will mean an increase in overall skin surface. With more surface, the fat will spread over a larger area therefore revealing more muscle and vascularity. So 12% on a amateur bodybuilder will look way different than 12% on a IFBB pro since the IFBB pro will have more surface. The 12% amateur won't look half as cut because is surface area is much lesser's than the IFBB pro thus condensing is fat cells into a smaller area and creating a duller look. However, his overall total body fat percentage could still be 12%. Get it?

Correct- I'm explaining my logic wrong if anything; but we are on the same page. You're explanation is better than mine in the way it comes across. I'm not verbalizing my thoughts correctly per se. Now- how is it that members that are physically smaller than someone in muscle with the exact same specs for height; weigh more with less body fat?

[Lunk1]

I'm crazy? Go look at the stat's posts in the Q&A threads for members... how many of the 217,299 members registered on this forum are sub 15%? Damn near everyone.... except me. I'm 18-19% if I had to guess... but everyone else is sub 15%...

Time to masterbate...my ADD is in full effect!

[ReX357]

Correct- I'm explaining my logic wrong if anything; but we are on the same page. You're explanation is better than mine in the way it comes across. I'm not verbalizing my thoughts correctly per se. Now- how is it that members that are physically smaller than someone in muscle with the exact same specs for height; weigh more with less body fat?

That's the internet for you.

[--->>405<<---]

ok dan heres my updated (today) 19% avatar!

BTW id like to note i just did the ab routine and i like it a lot! added in some plank as well.

[Capebuffalo]

People don't like to be told that their body fat is higher than think it is.... lol. Just like I don't like it when girls tell me my cock is small.... my response is no, you're blown out.

Can you define blown out?

[ReX357]

[Armykid93]

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=131592"/>

Add a zero to the end of each one of those numbers. Those people defy the laws of physics.

[ReX357]

Add a zero to the end of each one of those numbers. Those people defy the laws of physics.

Lmao