*What's life about*

[JWP806]

Precisely. That is my belief in it.

So if the origin of the universe is determined through science, with full proof, will that crush your beliefs? Not that I wan't you to believe differently or as I do, I'm just merely posing questions that are interesting to me.

[Hazard]

Being a man of science Hazard and with great insight into how this planet and man started on earth, what is your take on what 405 and BG say about god and devil etc.?

I will come back and read all of their posts as soon as I get a chance so I can comment further. A few quick thoughts......

I personally would like there to be a higher being that would accept you into this perfect world when you die. It would be comforting to know that your soul lives on after death - in a beautiful place.

I can't Say I believe that This is the case. I see nothing wrong with people finding comfort in religion and/or god. EverY person is different, has different beliefs, and that's what makes us great. What I DON'T like is when people that are religious tell me I'm going to suffer for not having faith. I don't like people preaching to me and tryin to change my views. After all.... No one knows for sure. You may believe but you don't know for sure. For all we know - I could be the pope..... Dedicate my life to god, and if it all was man made and the real purpose to life was to live to the fullest, enjoy the earth, and there is no higher being then what did I do with my life? The believer may say "but if he is real and you don't believe....." yea I know. Im not living a life of sin..... Im not a bad person. If I'm on my death bed or if some event causes me to find god then so be it. Why would he turn me away?

Heres a thought...... Look at your life. Everything you have experienced and seen..... Only seen through your eyes from your point of view. What if our bodies die and our souls get another body. To keep living this cycle on earth. You can't remember any other life and you won't if you die and you start over again.

Another thought...... How come some people are so damn smart. How come there are the extreme wealthy and extreme poor. Is it possible that we may retain some information about a past life? Almost like we've been here before tho we can't remember it.

Ok I'll come back later after my doc appointment. I've got a 102 fever today

~Haz~

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[QUOTE=JWP806;6487204]

Einstein rejected a personal god but said there must be some kind of creator. That does not mean it's the christian god. Why couldn't it be one of the other 1000s of gods who man has created throughout time?

ur right it could be one of the thousands of other gods to someone whod oes not believe in my God. im not trying to argue right now specifically that it is indeed my God who created the universe, but if one of the most intelligent scientific guys in history acknowledges that a god or divine creator probably exists i think it must be worth taking note.

As far as the origin of space or the universe, it's, without a doubt, one of the most difficult questions to answer. Like you said, they require absolute proof and there is currently not any. I don't think that means we need to declare that since science has not yet proven it, we will just believe that god created this entire universe (in which humans can only live on one planet and would die leaving it's atmosphere). What do will happen when/if there is absolute proof for where the space or the universe came from?

if this ever were to occur i suppose there would be more room for debate, but as it stands right now so far as i can see, the scientists who claim to require proof of everything are unable to prove the most basic question. so it seems to me they are acting on incomplete scientific data. for a group so dead set on accuracy, it seems a bit of a flawed approach. it also seems they are acting on a certain amount of faith themselves. faith in what i still dont understand??

[JWP806]

[QUOTE=--->>405<<---;6487218]

ur right it could be one of the thousands of other gods to someone whod oes not believe in my God. im not trying to argue right now specifically that it is indeed my God who created the universe, but if one of the most intelligent scientific guys in history acknowledges that a god or divine creator probably exists i think it must be worth taking note.


if this ever were to occur i suppose there would be more room for debate, but as it stands right now so far as i can see, the scientists who claim to require proof of everything are unable to prove the most basic question. so it seems to me they are acting on incomplete scientific data. for a group so dead set on accuracy, it seems a bit of a flawed approach. it also seems they are acting on a certain amount of faith themselves. faith in what i still dont understand??

It's not a basic question. It is a fundamental question to our existence - but it is far from being basic. I'm sure that you meant it that way.

A small portion may be acting on some type of faith but folks like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins have zero faith. What type of faith do you think they are acting on?

Just for the record, I'm not trying to offend anyone. I'm just participating in a debate to hopefully learn more about your beliefs and to find out if there is some compelling evidence for me to believe in something as well. 405, I know you have strong religious beliefs as you and I have debated a bit on this in the past so believe me, I'm not trying to insult you.

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[QUOTE=JWP806;6487229][QUOTE=--->>405<<---;6487218]

It's not a basic question. It is a fundamental question to our existence - but it is far from being basic. I'm sure that you meant it that way.

yes, fundamental is what i meant.

A small portion may be acting on some type of faith but folks like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins have zero faith. What type of faith do you think they are acting on?

FAITH:
Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith
Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing, or a deity or in the doctrines or teachings of a religion. It may also be belief that is not based on proof.

if faith can be belief not based on proof, and there is no proof for where the universe came from, or where space came from, then i would have to say if they stand behind the "big bang theory" or even science in general which acts on the assumption this (big bang) is true, then these guys tyson and dawkins must be acting on faith - that is, a theory that has not been proven..??

Just for the record, I'm not trying to offend anyone. I'm just participating in a debate to hopefully learn more about your beliefs and to find out if there is some compelling evidence for me to believe in something as well. 405, I know you have strong religious beliefs as you and I have debated a bit on this in the past so believe me, I'm not trying to insult you.

we have and i am fine with this debate look guys i will be the first to tell you i understand completely where yall are coming from regarding christianity. i used to not believe in God and mocked God and had contempt for God. if yall wouldve known me prior to 2008 and we were in this forum having this same conversation with the person i used to be i would probably have gotten banned for the stuff i wouldve said to the christian.

in my younger days (early 20's and im not proud of this) i used to get drunk at my apartment with my buddies and get on america online (tells u how long ago this was ) and go into the christian chat rooms and say all kinds of terrible things to screw with them. i even got kicked off aol for awhile..

believe me i get it. i am not a guy who grew up christian or going to church.. i was a party guy, doing/selling all kinds of stuff.. u get the picture. ive only been a christian 5 yrs this summer.

as for evidence, like i said, God holds faith in high regard. i explained some of my personal "evidence" on the page before this one i think. since then God has spoken to me thru scripture and things u guys would call "coincidence". this is how he communicates to me.

for example: the first week i was at the christian rehab center i was really struggling with being there and wanted to go home. i knew it was a year long, and i had to quit smoking cigarettes, and left my wife and all this stuff. i was cutting grass one day and was on the brink of going in there and telling the people i was gonna quit. i had prayed and asked God to help me earlier but was not thinking about this at that time. well right before i made the decision to go in and quit i looked off into the distance and saw the director's wife walking in my general direction. at this point i didnt think she was coming to talk to me so i kept doing what i was doing. well she kept coming. closer and closer.

she walked right out to me in the field i was cutting and said: " i just got a phone call from your wife and she wanted to see how u were doing and to tell you she loves you and is happy you are here". this was exactly what i needed to hear. all the thoughts of leaving were gone and at that moment i knew God was behind this situation. i stayed then and made it all the way thru.

many many things like that happened along the way. most of em i have forgotten. a buddy of mine told me he couldnt believe how many messages i was getting from god and he wished he would get some. we call it confirmation. thats exactly what it is. until u become a believer u can not understand. just like the story i told on the page before.

now the skeptic would chalk it up to coincidence. but when coincidences continue to occur one after the other after the other over a long period of time, eventually u have to acknowledge something might be going on.. this is hoe the Lord works.

u might be struggling with something to do with finances and be going about your day and open ur bible up and the first thing u look at is a passage about finances which God is saying not to worry. that he provides for hids children. it is things like this that happen. this is why we read the bible. it is the primary means by which God communicates to us. the book is alive. he can use the same scripture to tell me i am doing the right thing by taking this new job, and at the same time use the scripture to tell someone else that his decision to buy a house, have a talk with a friend about his marriage..

this is why we read the bible. as well as to learn spiritual truths. this is also why it is so hard for us to "prove" anything to yall. God doesnt want followers who require proof. where is the merit in that? he wants us to follow thru faith. when we put our faith forward first the proof comes.. not because we ask for it, but because He knows it helps build our faith.

i cant put it any better than this.

[milky01623]

I think everyone's missed the point here...

The thread asks "what's life about" not who or what or where did it come from or start..
And why do the majority of these threads always end up being religion against science?????

Your beliefs are your own and what life's about for me now is getting juiced getting large and winning the comp ;-)

Cheers

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I think everyone's missed the point here...

The thread asks "what's life about" not who or what or where did it come from or start..
And why do the majority of these threads always end up being religion against science?????

Your beliefs are your own and what life's about for me now is getting juiced getting large and winning the comp ;-)

Cheers

well for me milky life is about my relationship with God, and sharing this with others in hopes they come to know Him. fors omeone who does not hold this same faith i can see where it would appear as though there is a lot more to life. and there is a lot more to life, but this is the most important thing to a believer. this is why we got here.

[milky01623]

well for me milky life is about my relationship with God, and sharing this with others in hopes they come to know Him. fors omeone who does not hold this same faith i can see where it would appear as though there is a lot more to life. and there is a lot more to life, but this is the most important thing to a believer. this is why we got here.

Dude I'm not knocking anyone's faiths beliefs or anything else for that matter my friend and just for the record I was brought up in the catholic faith and educated by nuns and yes I'm baptised so I do understand faith but over here in the uk religion and faith are treated the same as you do over in the states

[Capebuffalo]

So if the origin of the universe is determined through science, with full proof, will that crush your beliefs? Not that I wan't you to believe differently or as I do, I'm just merely posing questions that are interesting to me.

It would raise questions for sure, but my belief is strong it wouldn't change anything for me. God would still be behind it. IMO Nothing happens that is not God's hand.
Good Bad or Other.

And don't worry about asking questions thats how we get to where we are going. I wasn't a true believer until 2009 when I was saved and then Baptized.

I found God and he literally saved my life New Years Eve 2008.

[Hazard]

A good read..... From proponents on both sides of the coin.

http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/...erlife-debate/

*warning* it's very long. I urge everyone to read the whole thing and not just one argument.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

Let's ask another question......

Let's say a family member has a deadly illness. Science and testing can tell us what the illness is and how to best treat it but it may not always be able to tell us how we got it.

I would rather see a doctor who has science to back up what he thinks than a doctor who says "well I know what he has...... So we're going to treat him this way"

I know..... Not the best analogy but u get the point. I guess I get comfort from putting my eggs in the scientific basket.

Maybe that's what life is about? Finding your OWN way.....

~Haz~

[Hazard]

An interesting interview with Lawrence Krauss on his book and "something from nothing"

http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/...solete/256203/

~Haz~

[Hazard]

Another interesting read...... For those interested like myself.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...faith-extended

~Haz~

[marcus300]

Got a lot of reading to do thanks haz. Not going to questions yet need to read bit more

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Dude I'm not knocking anyone's faiths beliefs or anything else for that matter my friend and just for the record I was brought up in the catholic faith and educated by nuns and yes I'm baptised so I do understand faith but over here in the uk religion and faith are treated the same as you do over in the states

Where dis i say u were knocking anyones beliefs?

I was just givn my explanation to how we got here

[JAB1]

Wow, well from a spiritual point of view that is the greatest question to mankind, and what seperates us from animals, we can contemplate our existence. From that religion, etc is all formed to justify our not having an answer to that question.

From a scientific, evolutionary standpoint its about procreating, and keeping the species alive regardless of the consequence of an individual. Love, sex, lust, you name it, is all "felt" for one thing, growth of our species!!!

[energizer bunny]

well this got deeeeep!!....

i was brought up a catholic, catholic school, church every sunday, christened, confession,communion,confirmation the whole lot......as soon as i was given the choice i ditched church as quick as possible, i was about 14 at the time (the reason was simple, whoa was it boring!)...........

anyway, today i am not a practicing catholic and dont really know what i believe, i would like there to be a God but science is undeniable, while religion is blind faith.....my gran is a devote catholic and i discuss this with her many times....though im still not convinced......with so many religions around the world (all claiming that they are the true religion) it all makes it less possible in my mind.

at the min im out but still hold hope that one day ill get proof....

i live my life for fun, though not at the cost of others........i take pride in being very trust worthy and honest i also hold these ideals highly in other people.....having strong good morals is important and i hope if there is a God he will forgive my missing church etc for my good deeds!

[milky01623]

Where dis i say u were knocking anyones beliefs?

I was just givn my explanation to how we got here

Sorry a quick re read and eye wash works wonders lol ;-)

[MR-FQ320]

yes me and TR touched on it a bit awhile back, but i dont think we got into my questions regarding space per se.

while space may be what u say "the void between matter and dark matter" isnt it still "something"?? i mean it is a vastness. where did this vastness come from? what was there before the vastness? wouldnt there have had to have been a "nothingness" as in the absence of space?

if so, where did space come from?

if not, where did space come from?

Space is nothing - it is a vacuum. Only a few atoms per square cubic metre.

First there was nothing then there was the Big Bang then rapid expansion and cooling that's when matter started to form ( about 400 million years after the Big Bang ) and now the universe is infinite - and growing all the time, are you with me ?

Just to go back a couple of steps, if god was almighty and all these bible predictions came true, and genesis happened the way it stated then why does it fail to mention the questions you and I both ask?

[Hazard]

well this got deeeeep!!....

i was brought up a catholic, catholic school, church every sunday, christened, confession,communion,confirmation the whole lot......as soon as i was given the choice i ditched church as quick as possible, i was about 14 at the time (the reason was simple, whoa was it boring!)...........

anyway, today i am not a practicing catholic and dont really know what i believe, i would like there to be a God but science is undeniable, while religion is blind faith.....my gran is a devote catholic and i discuss this with her many times....though im still not convinced......with so many religions around the world (all claiming that they are the true religion) it all makes it less possible in my mind.

at the min im out but still hold hope that one day ill get proof....

i live my life for fun, though not at the cost of others........i take pride in being very trust worthy and honest i also hold these ideals highly in other people.....having strong good morals is important and i hope if there is a God he will forgive my missing church etc for my good deeds!

Great post actually..... This sums up myself also. I was baptized, received communion, and was confirmed catholic. I went to church every Sunday because I was forced to as a child. My daughter was baptized catholic because my mother would have a cow if she wasn't.

My daughter can make up her own mind. I don't want to influence her. Her future step mom has faith in a higher being and wants us to attend church as a family. I can honestly say that I don't want to..... I may have to suck it up for them.

[Hazard]

Space is nothing - it is a vacuum. Only a few atoms per square cubic metre.

First there was nothing then there was the Big Bang then rapid expansion and cooling that's when matter started to form ( about 400 million years after the Big Bang ) and now the universe is infinite - and growing all the time, are you with me ?

Just to go back a couple of steps, if god was almighty and all these bible predictions came true, and genesis happened the way it stated then why does it fail to mention the questions you and I both ask?

The universe is actually finite. It's the multiverse that would be infinite.

If god is omnipotent why do we need to pray for someone's health? If he knows all why do we tell everyone to say a prayer for someone.

I believe we find comfort in knowing people are praying and if asked to..... I'd say a prayer for that person knowing it comforts them.

Also..... Why would a power like god have interest in us like this? If he can create all this why would he create an earth for us that has an expiration date. Our time here will end..... Even of we found peace on earth. It's inevitable.

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[QUOTE=MR-FQ320;6487447]

Space is nothing - it is a vacuum. Only a few atoms per square cubic metre.

wouldnt a few atoms per cubic meter be "something"?? and how is distance "nothing"?? space is distance .. it is not nothing. nothing would be the absence of distance.. i dont even thing "Nothing" can be defined. it goes beyond our ability to define or comprehend. but do u see where im coming from? we cant scientifically just accept that space existed. space had to be created.

First there was nothing then there was the Big Bang then rapid expansion and cooling that's when matter started to form ( about 400 million years after the Big Bang ) and now the universe is infinite - and growing all the time, are you with me ?

if there was nothing, what caused the big bang? where did all the matter come from?

Just to go back a couple of steps, if god was almighty and all these bible predictions came true, and genesis happened the way it stated then why does it fail to mention the questions you and I both ask?

the Bible answers my question:
Gen 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

the very first scripture in the Bible deals with the exact thing science cant prove. genesis 1:1 solves the problem science has not been able to solve. God gets it out the way right out of the gate..

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Great post actually..... This sums up myself also. I was baptized, received communion, and was confirmed catholic. I went to church every Sunday because I was forced to as a child. My daughter was baptized catholic because my mother would have a cow if she wasn't.

My daughter can make up her own mind. I don't want to influence her. Her future step mom has faith in a higher being and wants us to attend church as a family. I can honestly say that I don't want to..... I may have to suck it up for them.

i was also catholic and have since become christian. now catholics consider themselves christian, but their theology differs from my theology in many ways. i was disappointed in catholicism growing up as it was just one routine after another. memorization. there was no personal relationship with God, there was no personal relationship with the priest. it freaking sucked! i still think it sucks and i think a lot of what they teach is not biblical. praying to mary would be one, going to confession would be another. doing penance would be another, purgatory would be another.

catholicism teaches a salvation derived from faith in christ plus good works. NOT what the bible teaches at all. catholicism teaches ur salvation can be lost. catholicism does not encourage bible study, it is a poor religion. what i have is not religion. what i have is a relationship with the Lord who loved me enough to not only deliver me from my addiction, but he used my addiction to bring me to a place to where i saw my need for Him on my life. catholicism never did anything close to that for me.

[energizer bunny]

i was also catholic and have since become christian. now catholics consider themselves christian, but their theology differs from my theology in many ways. i was disappointed in catholicism growing up as it was just one routine after another. memorization. there was no personal relationship with God, there was no personal relationship with the priest. it freaking sucked! i still think it sucks and i think a lot of what they teach is not biblical. praying to mary would be one, going to confession would be another. doing penance would be another, purgatory would be another.

catholicism teaches a salvation derived from faith in christ plus good works. NOT what the bible teaches at all. catholicism teaches ur salvation can be lost. catholicism does not encourage bible study, it is a poor religion. what i have is not religion. what i have is a relationship with the Lord who loved me enough to not only deliver me from my addiction, but he used my addiction to bring me to a place to where i saw my need for Him on my life. catholicism never did anything close to that for me.

fair coment, but my grandma would disagree, she loves God through being a catholic, im sure she would have a counter argument about your religion, just like a converted muslim would have another arguement....and they will all have blind (well "sign") faith like you mate.............now im not being funny, just pointing out there is one of you in all religiouns (the convert) one of my Granmas (the life long follower)....and me ( the turn away)

i must say it makes my gran happy and by the sounds of it you happy also..........so its all good...peace.

[MR-FQ320]

Hazard the universe is infinite just look up wmap on the NASA website, it explains it perfectly and proves it to within 0.4%

[Hazard]

Hazard the universe is infinite just look up wmap on the NASA website, it explains it perfectly and proves it to within 0.4%

Off the site you gave.....

Recent measurements (c. 2001) by a number of ground-based and balloon-based experiments, including MAT/TOCO, Boomerang, Maxima, and DASI, have shown that the brightest spots are about 1 degree across. Thus the universe was known to be flat to within about 15% accuracy prior to the WMAP results. WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision. We now know (as of 2013) that the universe is flat with only a 0.4% margin of error. This suggests that the Universe is infinite in extent; however, since the Universe has a finite age, we can only observe a finite volume of the Universe. All we can truly conclude is that the Universe is much larger than the volume we can directly observe.

We don't know it's infinite. They think it is...... But only for its length. It's volume is finite.

Let me ask this...... If the universe is still expanding..... How can an infinite space expand? Wouldn't it need to be finite in order to keep growing?

~Haz~

[Hazard]

Very sorry for the topic change Marcus......

The two scenarios in the debate:

The universe is infinte because numbers are infinite, and something that is finite cannot contain something that is infinite.
E.G a chocolate bar cannot contain infinite cocoa.

The universe is finite, it as a beginning and end, and there is no such thing as infinite numbers because the biggest number would be the amount of the smallest quanta contained in the universe.
E.G the amount of the smallest particle in the universe = the biggest number

These two are currently merged and I believe in modern day science they contradict each other.

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fair coment, but my grandma would disagree, she loves God through being a catholic, im sure she would have a counter argument about your religion, just like a converted muslim would have another arguement....and they will all have blind (well "sign") faith like you mate.............now im not being funny, just pointing out there is one of you in all religiouns (the convert) one of my Granmas (the life long follower)....and me ( the turn away)

i must say it makes my gran happy and by the sounds of it you happy also..........so its all good...peace.

my mom (grandmom - raised me) most heartily disagrees! she is catholic to the bone! prob a lot like urs the most important thing for believers is their faith in Christ's sinless life, death on the cross, and resurrection on the 3rd day which proves death could no longer contain him as he paid the full penalty for sin. everything else is really secondary to this.

i will say i hope u come back to faith (or come to faith) as it may be. growing up catholic does not make u a christian. i had to figure this out for myself. i thought i was a christian because my parents took me to church LOL.. boy was i wrong.

salvation is 100% personal. no one can do it for you. one day i suggest u getting a bible and just start reading man. start with John and work ur way thru the new testament. the Lord will speak to u like He did me. pray and ask God to communicate with u. God is real.

[MR-FQ320]

Hazard if you have a bucket full of marbles for example and the number of marbles in the bucket was infinite, then you started adding more marbles to the bucket, you still have an infinite amount of marbles not infinite plus some more.

Also how do you know the universe is finite in volume ? We cannot see the centre of the universe yet, for all we/you know there could be a fountain spewing out matter in all directions for eternity

[energizer bunny]

my mom (grandmom - raised me) most heartily disagrees! she is catholic to the bone! prob a lot like urs the most important thing for believers is their faith in Christ's sinless life, death on the cross, and resurrection on the 3rd day which proves death could no longer contain him as he paid the full penalty for sin. everything else is really secondary to this.

i will say i hope u come back to faith (or come to faith) as it may be. growing up catholic does not make u a christian. i had to figure this out for myself. i thought i was a christian because my parents took me to church LOL.. boy was i wrong.

salvation is 100% personal. no one can do it for you. one day i suggest u getting a bible and just start reading man. start with John and work ur way thru the new testament. the Lord will speak to u like He did me. pray and ask God to communicate with u. God is real.

well i dont know about that lol......i do love reading so maybe one day ill take a peak but not ready for that yet...........

[Hazard]

Hazard if you have a bucket full of marbles for example and the number of marbles in the bucket was infinite, then you started adding more marbles to the bucket, you still have an infinite amount of marbles not infinite plus some more.

Also how do you know the universe is finite in volume ? We cannot see the centre of the universe yet, for all we/you know there could be a fountain spewing out matter in all directions for eternity

Let's take this to the science/space/time thread. I don't wanna keep straying off on the good convo Marcus has going.

Upon a quick search of current info it seems we don't know it's infinite or finite. In order for t to be infinite than it would have to have expanded faster than the speed of light. In that case we'll never know for sure because we can't see anything out there.

[Hazard]

What's interesting tho is that if the universe is infinite and we know something can come from nothing..... Then the theology argument doesn't hold together.

[MR-FQ320]

What's interesting tho is that if the universe is infinite and we know something can come from nothing..... Then the theology argument doesn't hold together.

Exactly.

Marcus your thoughts on thread so far ? Has it detoured from your original question ?

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Hazard if you have a bucket full of marbles for example and the number of marbles in the bucket was infinite, then you started adding more marbles to the bucket, you still have an infinite amount of marbles not infinite plus some more.

Also how do you know the universe is finite in volume ? We cannot see the centre of the universe yet, for all we/you know there could be a fountain spewing out matter in all directions for eternity

is the volume of the bucket infinite? if it were it wouldnt be a bucket because what defiines a bucket is shape which is dictated by margins or end points? the analogy doesnt work. furthermore if u had an infinite amount of marbles they couldnt be contained in a bucket.. they couldnt be contained in anything it seems to me...

[marcus300]

I'm still reading about what haz posted the links etc. I'm loving this because as soon as I start to ask a question regarding the science of thinhs I have to delete it because it gets answered.

I would also like to thank you all for not taking this topic out of control. You all are conducting yourself great with respect for each other. I've got some interesting questions to ask but I've got to make sure on a few things first.

[panntastic]

I'm still reading about what haz posted the links etc. I'm loving this because as soon as I start to ask a question regarding the science of thinhs I have to delete it because it gets answered.

I would also like to thank you all for not taking this topic out of control. You all are conducting yourself great with respect for each other. I've got some interesting questions to ask but I've got to make sure on a few things first.

Are you an evil genius?
I would love to know how your mind works big man

[Hazard]

I'm still reading about what haz posted the links etc. I'm loving this because as soon as I start to ask a question regarding the science of thinhs I have to delete it because it gets answered.

I would also like to thank you all for not taking this topic out of control. You all are conducting yourself great with respect for each other. I've got some interesting questions to ask but I've got to make sure on a few things first.

When you have a group of people who respect each others opinions we can all share our thoughts. Everyone wants to learn here I think so it makes for a really interesting conversation. I'm glad it's going the way it is.

[marcus300]

Are you an evil genius?
I would love to know how your mind works big man

Your a wise man Pann

When you have a group of people who respect each others opinions we can all share our thoughts. Everyone wants to learn here I think so it makes for a really interesting conversation. I'm glad it's going the way it is.

Very true and its been interesting. Ive still got questions to ask both sides but I am putting together some questions for the science side now because somethings I can seen to find answers to regarding the universe and earth ect which keeps me sat on the fence....

I am still reading at present but some of the stuff you guys have posted is amazing

[Hazard]

Your a wise man Pann

Very true and its been interesting. Ive still got questions to ask both sides but I am putting together some questions for the science side now because somethings I can seen to find answers to regarding the universe and earth ect which keeps me sat on the fence....

I am still reading at present but some of the stuff you guys have posted is amazing

I love reading stuff by dr. Krauss. I watch his stuff on tv too. He's been on "through the wormhole" a few times as well.

He's obviously highly educated but I like his responses. He's not arrogant and doesn't believe in putting someone down for what they believe unless they've negatively come at him and what he does/believes. He's also able to take something so complicated and make it digestible for someone who hasn't gone to school for it.

[marcus300]

I love reading stuff by dr. Krauss. I watch his stuff on tv too. He's been on "through the wormhole" a few times as well.

He's obviously highly ed8ucated but I like his responses. He's not arrogant and doesn't believe in putting someone down for what they believe unless they've negatively come at him and what he does/believes. He's also able to take something so complicated and make it digestible for someone who hasn't gone to school for it.

I'm reading some of the article's now. Amazing but still got questions what may well be answered.