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[Capebuffalo]

Oh yeah, this summer at Summer Slam, brother. I’m going to bring the elbows of paaaaiiiinnnn, like you have never seen before, brother. (Macho Man Randy Savage Voice)

[guitarzan]

That’s your heart rate after eating and moving from the table to the couch?

Exactly!

[guitarzan]

Checked it this morning, rested. This is pretty much where it runs on tren , even 400mg a week.

[charger69]

My Fitbit is pretty much pegged when I get up to get a Budlight and a bowl of icecream, While watching wrastling with OB as we discuss Geoworld politics between bodyslams....Merica!

Cut out that junk food MS!


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[charger69]

The most prominent side effect of beta blockers is erectile dysfunction. A lot of men do not take it because of this. There are other side effects as this is a 1st generation bp med.

We are all different, if it works for you that is fine.

I also use atenolol ( yeah got the idea from Obs) and I have no side effects. I did accidentally take 2x the normal amount ( different mg) and it did make me severely tired and lethargic.


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[Obs]

That man knew how to dress.
This would be me if he hadn't stolen the style already

[BG]

I also use atenolol ( yeah got the idea from Obs) and I have no side effects. I did accidentally take 2x the normal amount ( different mg) and it did make me severely tired and lethargic.


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Have you taken other bp meds to compare? I switched this week to candesartan from losartan, sex drive is back but I feel bp is a little higher now.

[BG]

That man knew how to dress.
This would be me if he hadn't stolen the style already

Lmao, you could be the new and improved....

[charger69]

Have you taken other bp meds to compare? I switched this week to candesartan from losartan, sex drive is back but I feel bp is a little higher now.

No I have not. I am running tren at higher doses and I noted an increase in BP to the point that I was getting concerned. I just started taking BP meds about 4 months ago.NOTE: anything over 140 concerns me.



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[Obs]

Have you taken other bp meds to compare? I switched this week to candesartan from losartan, sex drive is back but I feel bp is a little higher now.

For a vuy like charger that uses eca he wont be able to beat a beta blocker like atenolol.
It blocks thing like epinephrine and lowers strain on the heart from other chemicals he takes like ephedrine.

Candesartan prevents constriction of the vessels but atenolols primary function works directly at the heart.

Imo sides vs effect, charger couldnt get a better med. I dont think any of us builders could unless they have an underlying issue aside from the chemicals we take.

Tren for example raises bp by spiking epinephrine. Part of the reason for insomnia and rage.
Well. Atenolol blocks epinephrine from reaching the heart. There is a host of benefits for a tren user and someone on eca or stimulants.

I sleep better on tren now. I will do a write up on it when I aint enjoying myself

[Obs]

Me asshole brother got me interested as it was goven to him to offset the increased bp from other drugs they had prescribed him rather than pre existing.

[Obs]

Been walking around in a fog, but I got a big smile today! Feels good! Sun shining out with the family! Been waiting for a day to feel good! Looks like this is it!

Have a great day everyone!

[ARs Roidrage Smith]

u2 treeman

[hollowedzeus]

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[Mr.BB]

For a vuy like charger that uses eca he wont be able to beat a beta blocker like atenolol.
It blocks thing like epinephrine and lowers strain on the heart from other chemicals he takes like ephedrine.

Candesartan prevents constriction of the vessels but atenolols primary function works directly at the heart.

Imo sides vs effect, charger couldnt get a better med. I dont think any of us builders could unless they have an underlying issue aside from the chemicals we take.

Tren for example raises bp by spiking epinephrine. Part of the reason for insomnia and rage.
Well. Atenolol blocks epinephrine from reaching the heart. There is a host of benefits for a tren user and someone on eca or stimulants.

I sleep better on tren now. I will do a write up on it when I aint enjoying myself

Doesnt it affect muscle pumps?

From an athlete point of view, reducing the heart output, like beta blockers do, sounds a little strange to me.

[hammerheart]

I had high BP about one year ago, used telmisartan at the time but managed my way without BP meds, went from 160/100 to usual readings of 115/75 at 60bpm.

[BG]

No I have not. I am running tren at higher doses and I noted an increase in BP to the point that I was getting concerned. I just started taking BP meds about 4 months ago.NOTE: anything over 140 concerns me.



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Do you know how much it dropped?

[BG]

For a vuy like charger that uses eca he wont be able to beat a beta blocker like atenolol.
It blocks thing like epinephrine and lowers strain on the heart from other chemicals he takes like ephedrine.

Candesartan prevents constriction of the vessels but atenolols primary function works directly at the heart.

Imo sides vs effect, charger couldnt get a better med. I dont think any of us builders could unless they have an underlying issue aside from the chemicals we take.

Tren for example raises bp by spiking epinephrine. Part of the reason for insomnia and rage.
Well. Atenolol blocks epinephrine from reaching the heart. There is a host of benefits for a tren user and someone on eca or stimulants.

I sleep better on tren now. I will do a write up on it when I aint enjoying myself

Thanks, Im going to go back and give atenolol a try, it does sound right up a BB'rs alley.

[Obs]

Doesnt it affect muscle pumps?

From an athlete point of view, reducing the heart output, like beta blockers do, sounds a little strange to me.

It doesnt touch the pumps unless overdosed.
An overdose that effects you to the point of loss of pump would make you feel like you were dying. Charger did this on accident recently. It literally puts you down.

I have found my blood pressure can get so wound up on eca or stimulants that taking 50mg at once can put me back to relatively normal bp and give me a great workout without undoing the extra kick of ephedrine. Then two hours later I can sleep without lurching awake or having the usual trensomnia.

Again this is me. I have had high bp all my life but tren and eca compounded it immensely.
The means by which tren and ephedrine increase bloodpressure is best handled by a beta blocker imo.

Of course this is opinion as they havent done any studies I know of on stimulants and tren and the best way to lower the elevated blood pressure.

I dont fully understand a muscle pump. Epedrine gives me the largest and tightest pumps I can get but it is costrictive to blood vessels....? Doesnt make sense.

My idea that atenolol is better for a tren user is mainly because of the elevated epinephrine response to the heart caused by tren. It seems appropriate that a drug that can prevent the epinephrinecfrom reaching the heart would be best.

Again this is theory.

[Obs]

Thanks, Im going to go back and give atenolol a try, it does sound right up a BB'rs alley.

Hope it works for you man. I have no sides thus far. Lowers bp without really affecting anything else that I have found.

[Obs]

BTW TO ALL ON ATENOLOL!!!

AVOID APPLE AND ORANGE JUICE ANY TIME NEAR DOSAGE ...

Apple and orange juice greatly inhibit the absorption of atenolol for a few hours after dosage. Pubmed has the articles.

[guitarzan]

jesus christ

That seem low?

[charger69]

BTW TO ALL ON ATENOLOL!!!

AVOID APPLE AND ORANGE JUICE ANY TIME NEAR DOSAGE ...

Apple and orange juice greatly inhibit the absorption of atenolol for a few hours after dosage. Pubmed has the articles.

Now you tell me. LOL


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[Obs]

Now you tell me. LOL


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Only recently discovered

[almostgone]

Have you taken other bp meds to compare? I switched this week to candesartan from losartan, sex drive is back but I feel bp is a little higher now.

What dosage are you on, BG?

[MuscleScience]

Why don’t you guys with high BP just do cardio?
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Ok ok, i was totally kidding

[cousinmuscles]

Anyone up for being a judge? Don't want the same judges every time...

[hammerheart]

The room was filled with sunlight, started taking pics and the day got gray all of a sudden. fml

[hollowedzeus]

Anyone up for being a judge? Don't want the same judges every time...

What about getting the competitor's to judge?
Do the placings like we did last time excluding themselves?

It will work if everyone is honest

[hollowedzeus]

The room was filled with sunlight, started taking pics and the day got gray all of a sudden. fml

Excuses excuses

[cousinmuscles]

What about getting the competitor's to judge?
Do the placings like we did last time excluding themselves?

It will work if everyone is honest

Excellent idea. First we have to prop up the trash talk and PM them about what their competitors supposedly said in a PM about their mother et.c

[hammerheart]

What about getting the competitor's to judge?
Do the placings like we did last time excluding themselves?

It will work if everyone is honest

hmm that might work with the more knowledgeable in the regards of BB but I'm just too new at this...

[cousinmuscles]

What about getting the competitor's to judge?
Do the placings like we did last time excluding themselves?

It will work if everyone is honest

Also the maths will be off, with the current point system.

[guitarzan]

Bg and almost gone can judge, they been fairly active

[BG]

Hope it works for you man. I have no sides thus far. Lowers bp without really affecting anything else that I have found.

What dosage are you taking and Ill just be on trt test............

[BG]

Why don’t you guys with high BP just do cardio?
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Ok ok, i was totally kidding

I do!! Still high depending on how clean I eat......

What dosage are you on, BG?

100 on the Losartan and 32 on the Candes. He said it should be equivelent but I think he was still trying to fathom that I wanted to switch because my internet bodybuilding friends thought I would be better off lmfao. In the end he was ok, now he wants to see if it does help my sex drive.

btw: The dosage thing was something I wanted to talk to you when I pm you, but Im sorry busy as crap. Have to train, cook this morning and drive 60 miles to a going away party at 1 then hopefully get home with a little time to start working on fixing up the house for when we leave. Got doors with holes in them I have to change out

[charger69]

Anyone up for being a judge? Don't want the same judges every time...

I'll give it a whirl. I'm not used to judging, just being judged. LOL


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[cousinmuscles]

I'll give it a whirl. I'm not used to judging, just being judged. LOL


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Charger you're not so good with PMs lol but here is the info I'll send it via PM too

Judging criteria
Judging done solely based on starting pictures compared to finishing pictures.

The judging critera are most improved physique, in terms of muscle gain and fat loss.

At the same time, de-improvement in your physique should be penalized, such as fat gain and muscle loss, because your physique obviously de-improves.

Hypothetical scenario, if:
person A gains X amount of muscle,
person B gains X amount of muscle and loses Y amount of fat

person B wins

if,
person A gains X amount of muscle
person B loses Y amount of fat,
if X is greater than Y, person A wins, vice versa for person B to win.

so there is some logic to it but the criteria is still as basic as it gets, gain muscle, lose fat.

Doing something like not training legs should also be penalized because thats only gaining muscle in half your physique...

The judging system is based on a points system. Each judge ranks each competitors improvement from first to eleventh. I will then compile the rankings and give points for each ranking;
Each first place ranking from a judge gets 10 points
second place 9 points
third 8 points
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eleventh 0 points

The competitor who gets the most points wins.

[Obs]

What dosage are you taking and Ill just be on trt test............

50 mg day 25x2
Some get by on half

[cousinmuscles]

to be honest I think it is a lot more competitive when there are only like 4 people but maybe that's just me I wasn't into the last one because there where to many people that had a lot more chance to improve than say someone like myself that stays in great shape year round...if I ever do one again it would have to be with a more specific goal than most improved...in the last one I called the winner weeks before it came to light because a lot of the judges and competitors kept leaning toward best physique so they went with charger69 whom did amazing but tarmyg made the most improvement in the end according to the judges who in the end judged on most improved standard rather than best physique like I did...just my opinion but its easy for competitors to get lost in the shuffle when there is like 10 but that's the first time that's ever happened in all the times we have done this over the years...anyways ill be watching regardless...

Now that didn't go as planned but how can you say no to all these people wanting to join in on the fun. Lol