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Here is the YouTube link of your video:
https://youtu.be/MRri1oNizYs
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06-19-2020, 08:57 AM #204Admin Sent Me Away.
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This.
Hate crime legislation is ridiculous and should be abolished. Are you any less hurt or less dead if I bashed you on the head with a bat because of your race, or if I bashed you on the head with a bat because I wanted your iPhone? Who is more injured?
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06-19-2020, 09:03 AM #205Banned
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You want to get that job done well. Choose the right “tool” for the job.
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06-19-2020, 09:06 AM #206Admin Sent Me Away.
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That’s his point. It shows BLM to be a phony bullshit fraudulent movement.
So if a criminal gets killed it’s only a big deal if a cop does it? That’s the hypocrisy.
Again, you prove what a fraud that BLM is. Black lives really don’t matter, except if a cop is involved. Don’t you see any issue with that mentality, and how it proves that black lives don’t always matter at all.
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06-19-2020, 09:25 AM #207BANNED
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BLM was started by 3 feminist lesbians .. their agenda is more about gay and transgender crap then actual black men being moral good men.. they are simply riding on the coat tails and hijacking black rights to push a feminist gay transgender agenda.
its a political movement of morally corrupt people hijacking a real civil rights issue to push their depravity upon others.. BLM really has nothing to do with the moral black man at all.
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06-19-2020, 09:30 AM #208
The mainstream media did this to America
It IS a big deal when a cop does it. That’s the whole point that you (and many others) are missing. The police, by the very nature of their station, are granted an amount of responsibility and implied trust. When they violate one or both of these, they should be held to a higher standard (and subject to harsher punishments) than random shitlord criminal #36528.
This also ties into my disagreement with defunding. Pay more, up the training standards, hold them as accountable as their station dictates, instead of paying them shit, hiring people who should never have been police to begin with, and then hiding their misdeeds behind some “thin blue line” tripe.
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06-19-2020, 09:48 AM #209Admin Sent Me Away.
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When a cop does what? Accidentally kill someone?
Is the dead guy any less dead? Is Floyd’s life worth any less than Tyanna Johnson’s. Oh, You dont know her name? That’s my whole point.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...-park/2462809/
You are stating two contradicting things. If the police have an implied trust, that means that you give them the benefit of the doubt. You cant say they have an implied trust, then hold them to a higher standard.
An implied trust means they have a lower standard of proof to be believed than the average person, due to the implicit trust you gave them.
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06-19-2020, 09:54 AM #210
The mainstream media did this to America
No, I mean an implied trust from the citizens that they are sworn to protect. Not an implied trust from the system that has been restructured to cover their asses. Huge difference.
This is different only in severity to the dirty cops that have been found to be taking bribes, stealing and recirculating drugs/money, etc.
Believe me though, when a case is cut and dry obvious, I’m the first to defend an officer. For example, there was a recent shooting near where I live, and the first thing people wanted to do was “ahmaighad, they killed another unarmed black man”. No motherfuckers, he was shot WHILE trying to use his vehicle to charge officers during a chase. He wasn’t unarmed; he was piloting a 3000+ lbs. machine that he had decided to use as a makeshift weapon.
ETA: no, I hadn’t seen that story, and frankly could have done without that today. Of course, her life was not worth less, but my comment stands, purely because I get the distinct feeling that those responsible for her death won’t get caught. If they do, I hope they get a just punishment (ie, death or life imprisonment, depending upon the state, as I’m not familiar with NY’s laws regarding this).Last edited by Gallowmere; 06-19-2020 at 09:57 AM.
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06-19-2020, 09:59 AM #211Admin Sent Me Away.
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Lets be honest. If BLM got their wish and not a single black person ever again died in dealings with police, it wouldn’t make a dent in the black homicide rate.
The number of deaths of black folks every year from dealing with the police is statistically insignificant. It is not even noticeable on the graph of the black homicide rate.
Look at a pie chart or bar graph or whatever of the black homicide figures for any year. Now remove all the ones who died in dealings with cops. The number is so inconsequential, in the overall numbers, that the graph wouldn’t have a noticeable change.
If you want to save black folks’ lives, and really help out the group in a meaningful way, end the killings at the hands of other black folks. That would be a truly transformational thing to accomplish. The graph would radically transform, so much that it would be unrecognizable as the same statistical analysis.
But no, lets focus on the least statistically significant threat to black lives, and fool ourselves into thinking that we are helping keep black folks alive.
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06-19-2020, 09:59 AM #212Banned
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The trust that is given to them is the trust to uphold their oath to serve and protect.
They gave an oath.
We trust them to uphold it.
Really simple concept.
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06-19-2020, 10:07 AM #216
We’re also not paying random criminals with public funds. Random criminals did not take an oath to serve and protect. Random criminals do not have unions. Random criminals aren’t given departmentally issues firearms.
Do I really need to go on?
This isn’t about “statistically significant”. That’s where you have it fucked up. I promise you, statistics mean fuck all to the families of those who are killed, regardless of the source of demise. What you are saying is that this kind of shit should be ignored, because “it doesn’t happen as often as X”.
Do you realize how ridiculous that argument is?
Strychnine poisoning is pretty rare anymore. That doesn’t make you any less dead if you end up with a product contaminated with it.
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06-19-2020, 10:07 AM #217Banned
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Policeman are different.
They have a different job.
They take an oath.
"On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the constitution, my community, and the agency I serve."
IACP_Oath_of_Honor_En_8.5x11_Web.pdf
https://www.theiacp.org/sites/defaul...8.5x11_Web.pdf
Please stop comparing policeman to garbagemen.
No disrespect to sanitation but one carries a gun and the other doesn't.
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06-19-2020, 10:10 AM #218
The fact that you need me to explain “fitting the description” to you, means that I probably shouldn’t bother.
Fuck, I doubt any of us can think of a more standup and awesome guy in the world of influence than CT Fletcher. Even his old ass still gets fucked with for that very thing. Let that sink in.
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06-19-2020, 10:11 AM #219Admin Sent Me Away.
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This is from their website:
global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes
https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
Why limit its focus to statistically insignificant threats to black lives? Because the focus is not on saving black lives. It has a dangerous political/ideological agenda below the surface.
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06-19-2020, 10:14 AM #220Admin Sent Me Away.
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Every government worker takes an oath, at least in my state. You swear to uphold the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New York. There is opportunities for corruption in every public job, hence the oath.
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06-19-2020, 10:17 AM #221Banned
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06-19-2020, 10:22 AM #222
Oh, I’m not going to argue against that for even a second. Trust me: every single thing that I have said regarding police should apply to every single public sector worker.
The difference is, we don’t have firemen who’s direct actions lead to deaths (except for the occasional arsonist psychopath who deserves an even higher punishment than random criminal arsonists), nor garbage collectors regularly “accidentally” forgetting to stop the compactor when they hear someone inside. And ya’ know, I couldn’t tell you the last time I heard about a judge “accidentally” signing off on the death penalty for someone writing rubber checks.
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Yes, you really do need to go on. You still haven’t shown how Floyd is any more dead than Johnson. How is it relevant how the killers make their living? Dead is dead, period.
So we legislate on emotions now? or is it facts?
Where did i say it should be ignored. I just dont like to see such energy and potential wasted by being misdirected to a non-issue. It could really be used to make a difference in the number of black folks killed each year, but sadly, it is not.
I dont see how you dont get it. Of course the poison is rare, and deadly, but if we were spending, as a country, millions of man hours protesting against it, and if we had all kinds of property burned and businesses destroyed over it, wouldn’t you object to that waste of energy and resources? I certainly could see better directions for all that effort, such as protesting to educate on the dangers of bad diets destroying the health of our country.
Where would you get more bang for the buck of protesting, against Strychnine or against poor diet and foods that are killing Americans every year due to contributing to all kinds of preventable diseases?
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It is not the job of any of those professions to engage violent criminals who dont want to go back to jail, hence there is no chance that anyone could die interacting with them.
their inclusion in this discussion could only be meant to misdirect attention from the issue at hand.
What is the whole systemic something or other issue that you mentioned before. Explain what you meant by that.
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06-19-2020, 10:37 AM #228
The mainstream media did this to America
“Fitting the description” is what I was talking about. I’ve personally seen more than one black guy being fucked with because they matched the profile of someone the police were looking for. That profile generally amounts to “black and whatever age group”. So one of two things is happening here. Either all black people look the same (I swear to god if you take that bait, this conversation is done), or it’s just easier to canvas the shit out of a minority group and see what you catch, than to gather more detailed information.
Both of these imply exactly what I meant by systemic racism.
Now, since you like statistics, what happens as the encounter rate with police goes up for a specific group?
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It could have 50 ands, it would still be limited in scope to the point that it avoids the actual significant issue in the black community. There is no more serious issue than preventable death. Causing intentional death by violence without justification comes close.
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06-19-2020, 10:47 AM #230Banned
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Then start working out and go on a diet you fat ass.
You sir are a hypocrite.
Stop worrying so much about others trying to empower themselves.
Try empowering yourself instead.
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If they are going by a description, that means they didnt see the crime. They have a victim somewhere supplying the description. The cops want to make the arrest. They dont want to wast time stopping the wrong guy, because the criminal could have more chance of getting away while they are jerking around with the wrong guy. They stop based on the description, there is no other way.
Would you have them stop white guys or Asians if the description said male black, just to be fair? I dont get your point.
Cops stop based on the description they get. Lets hear your suggestion how to do it better.
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And giving an anecdotal example is not defining the term. What is systemic racism?
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I didn’t take an oath as a teacher. I could have unintentionally killed a student a couple of years back and with a skilled lawyer, rightfully gotten a lighter sentence (even if it was recorded).
When your job is to protect lives, you should be given certain latitude while at the same time being held to a higher standard. You intentionally cross the line, your ass should be hung from a hook.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
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agree its a political agenda,, BLM has nothing to do with "black lives".
taken from their website mission statement
"""We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression""""
now what the heck does sexual identity have to do with a black man being killed by KKK cops ? nothing . they are riding on the coat tails of a real civil rights movement to promote far leftist and satanic immoral agendas (satanist worship of transgender and homo sexuality.. thats their main agenda and their using a civil rights movement for black men to promote it)
they are just piggy backing on black people to promote a totally separate agenda . thats what weirdo leftists always do. they create false fronts and try to gain political power via deception and reverse psychology.
a moral black man promoting BLM is utterly dooped and deceived. just as much as a black man who votes democrat is
the whole race issue is a false front for whats really going on . imo
a moral black man should totally ditch the propaganda of BLM, and start his own way of thinking and free his mind from the corrupt bullshit that has surrounded and tried to control him
these fools be marching down the street chanting "black lives matter" not even knowing the corrupt satanic political agenda they are supporting . they should just be supporting themselves, their intellect, and their families . not some wacky left wing feminist and transgender organization. wtf.. wake up people .
the left wing kkk feminist homo satanist wackos have got a lot of the black population dooped into thinking its right wing conservatives that are the racists . when its not at all .. just the opposite. read some history books and stop depending on social media or some other bullshit news station for your information (I'm talking to black men who support BLM and other left wing groups)
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06-19-2020, 11:01 AM #238
Do you really need me to go dig up the stats on the disproportionate amount of blacks that are in prison for non-violent offenses? The ones about how they were, by more than a factor of ten, impacted more than any other race by the War on Drugs and it’s methods, including stop and frisk nonsense?
How about how most of said non-violent offenders end up with absurd sentences due to piling on of time for shit like possession of a firearm?
I’m not putting this all at the feet of the police. The legislature is even more to blame.
Honestly, most of us here are fucking criminals in all but being caught and convicted. We just have the benefits of having controlled substance choices that are much harder to find, and due to their nature, don’t require as frequent of dosing for effect.
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Depending upon where you live, you have a significantly higher percentage of gay and transgender blacks (and Latinos). It could be perceived as an uncool image for a race of men who have been oppressed and need to hold themselves up to a more “masculine” image. This is very possibly where they were going with that, not just randomly throwing in another “weirdo” agenda.
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