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    P.S, once you stretch your stomach facial from over eating u will have a barrel gut for life. even at 4% dont believe me, look at todays pros on stage and dont cry "ITS GH , GH made their intestines and insides grow"

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    P.S, once you stretch your stomach facial from over eating u will have a barrel gut for life. even at 4% dont believe me, look at todays pros on stage and dont cry "ITS GH , GH made their intestines and insides grow"
    Definitely right about this. Ronnie Rowland talks about it in his sling shot thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD
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    Why did u drop the Dextrose PWO.?

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    I dropped the dextrose PWO because I have enough carb sources in my diet that are not pure sugar and I want to lower sugar intake substantially. I feel weird about adding spoon loads of sugar to my chocolate shake lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery
    im a troll, hence my name, but you know that 500g of protein a day takes roughly 1800-2200 calories just to digest that? so you need to eat upwards of 6000 calories a day to digest that protein and get the rest of your calories in for daily needs.

    brilliant!
    Oh mockery, but your one of those cuddly lovable trolls with funky hair and a gemstone in your navel! Your always welcome in my thread and beyond that, I'd love it if you subscribed because you've (almost) always got something to contribute. That's the type of input I love and cherish I agree that 500g protein is overkill unless you're a bear or some other carnivore... I follow Ronnie Rowland's thread quite closely and that's why my carb protein ratio is so high.

    "protein is really overrated for building muscle, so if you want to grow- increase your carbs"
    - said the guru

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery
    P.S, once you stretch your stomach facial from over eating u will have a barrel gut for life. even at 4% dont believe me, look at todays pros on stage and dont cry "ITS GH , GH made their intestines and insides grow"
    Again with the gold! Love it! I guess you can understand why I'm going dirty then! I don't want to stretch the stomach to much to the point I look like someone stuck an airhose up my arse. This is why i feel the benefit of the added calories from fatty foods will be a safe choice because 9 Cals per gram of fat fits in faster than 4 Cals per g of protein or carb. Maybe I'm wrong and I'm sure you won't mind telling me.

    Thanks for stopping in mockery! Cheers

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    6 am- bacon egg and cheese sandwich w/ hash & milk

    9 am - 3 bacon 3 egg 3 toast & potatoes w/ milk

    12 - 150g chicken 1 cup rice and corn w/ oj

    330pm - PB&J sand, milk

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    Quote Originally Posted by >Good Luck<
    6 am- bacon egg and cheese sandwich w/ hash & milk

    9 am - 3 bacon 3 egg 3 toast & potatoes w/ milk

    12 - 150g chicken 1 cup rice and corn w/ oj

    330pm - PB&J sand, milk
    More dirt. Carry on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat View Post

    More dirt. Carry on!
    Trainer came in today, show me a couple tricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soar

    Trainer came in today, show me a couple tricks.

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    Looking lean!

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    Just snacked on some krap dinner before having my Real dinner. Going to have spinach ricotta and feta filled cannanoli smothered in a parmesan rue and meat sauce!

    If that ain't dirty, I don't know what is!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery View Post
    P.S, once you stretch your stomach facial from over eating u will have a barrel gut for life. even at 4% dont believe me, look at todays pros on stage and dont cry "ITS GH , GH made their intestines and insides grow"

    You are right. It is another one of those inner turmoils. Just like weight Vs. form.


    I try to stay in the middle and work my way up. Getting too crazy too fast isn't good either.


    But, we all know you need to eat more to get bigger.

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    U can accomplish alot more with out dirty bulk with eating lean, and just adding egg yokes = more protein, more fat for increased calories and good cholesterol to fight the bad cholesterol

    animal fats help us grow and stay lean.

    how will you combat the cholesterol increase in your diet ??

    how do you reverse the damage that protein and potassium cause to your body?

    trying to bulk above 5 lbs of your current lean body weight = waste of time, bad for your health and huge waste of money. U can add more lean mass in the same time as bulking and cutting, its simple get a dexter scan (body pod) find out what you should be eating to grow and eat that amount of food adjusting as you need every 8 weeks.

    diets dont work the way we want them to, they have very high rebound rate and failure rate. Hardly ever custom made for the individual. lifestyle choices how ever do work.. keep bulking and you will be like every other guy in the gym " bro im bulking" ( for the last 9 years ..)

    with out steroids our body can put little muscle on in a year, If every **** who was bulking was gaining 1lb a week of lean muscle mass x4 x 12 = huge ****s every where, but the reality is gaining like .3-.5 lean muscle mass a month maybe less.

    again peoples ignorance blows my mind. If you feel im wrong. please humor me

    humor me...

    keep humoring me....

    now go to the fridge and pull out 1lb on raw chicken breast, place it on scales , make sure its 1lbs. now hold it in your hand feel it, look at its limp dense form. Heck if you are bored , stand in a mirror and place it by ur pec, ur bicep, ur lat, ur quads.. where ever. ( dont even start thinking "idiot" i work my whole body so that is divided everywhere. ) That is not lean mass u are putting on!!

    ur loading your muscle with water and carbs and gaining a dangerous amount of fat that can impair ur health. ur weight is going up. but again its water and carbs filling out muscles and fat. and maybe this month after hard working and your dirty bulk u have gained 0.2 lean muscle mass. and 3 -5lbs of fat and water. Congrats. waste of time and money.

    go get your dexter scan, and start with that. u would be amazed at things like how heavy your brain is, bone density and fat mass.


    wtf do i know, im a fat troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery
    U can accomplish alot more with out dirty bulk with eating lean, and just adding egg yokes = more protein, more fat for increased calories and good cholesterol to fight the bad cholesterol

    animal fats help us grow and stay lean.

    how will you combat the cholesterol increase in your diet ??

    how do you reverse the damage that protein and potassium cause to your body?

    trying to bulk above 5 lbs of your current lean body weight = waste of time, bad for your health and huge waste of money. U can add more lean mass in the same time as bulking and cutting, its simple get a dexter scan (body pod) find out what you should be eating to grow and eat that amount of food adjusting as you need every 8 weeks.

    diets dont work the way we want them to, they have very high rebound rate and failure rate. Hardly ever custom made for the individual. lifestyle choices how ever do work.. keep bulking and you will be like every other guy in the gym " bro im bulking" ( for the last 9 years ..)

    with out steroids our body can put little muscle on in a year, If every **** who was bulking was gaining 1lb a week of lean muscle mass x4 x 12 = huge ****s every where, but the reality is gaining like .3-.5 lean muscle mass a month maybe less.

    again peoples ignorance blows my mind. If you feel im wrong. please humor me

    humor me...

    keep humoring me....

    now go to the fridge and pull out 1lb on raw chicken breast, place it on scales , make sure its 1lbs. now hold it in your hand feel it, look at its limp dense form. Heck if you are bored , stand in a mirror and place it by ur pec, ur bicep, ur lat, ur quads.. where ever. ( dont even start thinking "idiot" i work my whole body so that is divided everywhere. ) That is not lean mass u are putting on!!

    ur loading your muscle with water and carbs and gaining a dangerous amount of fat that can impair ur health. ur weight is going up. but again its water and carbs filling out muscles and fat. and maybe this month after hard working and your dirty bulk u have gained 0.2 lean muscle mass. and 3 -5lbs of fat and water. Congrats. waste of time and money.

    go get your dexter scan, and start with that. u would be amazed at things like how heavy your brain is, bone density and fat mass.

    wtf do i know, im a fat troll
    Thanks for the insight, lots to think about. Friday after my doctors appointment I will most likely be starting my cycle. I also stated I will cut once I reach 185. I appreciate and respect your knowledge and opinions, but this is my experience to have. I'll be the guy that you can direct people to the next time someone decided to go down this road. And for the record I'm not ignorant, I know full well what I'm getting myself in to. I understand the risks of the choices I make, just like everyone else on here. Like all the people choosing to use steroids ... They know the risks... Right? Like powerlifters know they will most likely suffer from sore joints and what not... I'll be fine

    Are you humored?

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    I find it funny how before I joined this site I had no idea how to eat. I ate whatever I wanted and ate whenever I wanted, if I wanted. I was significantly less muscular, yet I was alive. Since joining this site, and reading all this information... Suddenly if I eat how I want I'm going to get fat or die... I've been trying to get fat my whole life and NOPE!!! STILL SKINNY!

    I think it boils down to EVERYONES DIFFERENT! sure we all have the same organs but different genetics.

    HENCE THIS DIRTY BULK. and it's not even that dirty

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    Quote Originally Posted by >Good Luck<
    6 am- bacon egg and cheese sandwich w/ hash & milk

    9 am - 3 bacon 3 egg 3 toast & potatoes w/ milk

    12 - 150g chicken 1 cup rice and corn w/ oj

    330pm - PB&J sand, milk
    Still seems a little clean.... Where's the double cheese burgers.... Common now 52g of protein for $2.... A bodybuilder on a budget can't pass that up. In my dirty bulk that was my pre workout meal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery
    U can accomplish alot more with out dirty bulk with eating lean, and just adding egg yokes = more protein, more fat for increased calories and good cholesterol to fight the bad cholesterol

    animal fats help us grow and stay lean.

    how will you combat the cholesterol increase in your diet ??

    how do you reverse the damage that protein and potassium cause to your body?

    trying to bulk above 5 lbs of your current lean body weight = waste of time, bad for your health and huge waste of money. U can add more lean mass in the same time as bulking and cutting, its simple get a dexter scan (body pod) find out what you should be eating to grow and eat that amount of food adjusting as you need every 8 weeks.

    diets dont work the way we want them to, they have very high rebound rate and failure rate. Hardly ever custom made for the individual. lifestyle choices how ever do work.. keep bulking and you will be like every other guy in the gym " bro im bulking" ( for the last 9 years ..)

    with out steroids our body can put little muscle on in a year, If every **** who was bulking was gaining 1lb a week of lean muscle mass x4 x 12 = huge ****s every where, but the reality is gaining like .3-.5 lean muscle mass a month maybe less.

    again peoples ignorance blows my mind. If you feel im wrong. please humor me

    humor me...

    keep humoring me....

    now go to the fridge and pull out 1lb on raw chicken breast, place it on scales , make sure its 1lbs. now hold it in your hand feel it, look at its limp dense form. Heck if you are bored , stand in a mirror and place it by ur pec, ur bicep, ur lat, ur quads.. where ever. ( dont even start thinking "idiot" i work my whole body so that is divided everywhere. ) That is not lean mass u are putting on!!

    ur loading your muscle with water and carbs and gaining a dangerous amount of fat that can impair ur health. ur weight is going up. but again its water and carbs filling out muscles and fat. and maybe this month after hard working and your dirty bulk u have gained 0.2 lean muscle mass. and 3 -5lbs of fat and water. Congrats. waste of time and money.

    go get your dexter scan, and start with that. u would be amazed at things like how heavy your brain is, bone density and fat mass.

    wtf do i know, im a fat troll
    But I like burgers!!!!! Can I still become ripped and tan mockery??

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    Quote Originally Posted by human project

    Still seems a little clean.... Where's the double cheese burgers.... Common now 52g of protein for $2.... A bodybuilder on a budget can't pass that up. In my dirty bulk that was my pre workout meal...
    Today will be burger day! Thanks HP

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    I ate the normal 6&9ams

    12noon - chicken souvlaki with rice

    330- pb&j w/ milk

    630- 2 bacon cheese burgers, fries and pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by human project View Post
    But I like burgers!!!!! Can I still become ripped and tan mockery??
    burgers have low UV content, so eating burgers to get tanned might be more useless then bulking imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery

    burgers have low UV content, so eating burgers to get tanned might be more useless then bulking imo
    I've always been told the uv content in burgers is huge... Especially UV-A (long wave) but not so much UV-B (short wave)

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    As of this morning, I stand at 162.2lbs... Little bit of gut rot from mowing down a tonn of chinese food but my portions have grown already.

    Tomorrow morning I will be starting my cycle to aid my bulk. I aim to achieve 25lbs in 10-12 weeks and then i will cruise on low dose of test only for 2 weeks followed by 8-10 week cut.

    Phase 1: test e @ 700mg (350mg Sunday morning, 350mg Wednesday night)
    Tbol @ 60mg daily for 8 weeks
    Hcg @ 250iu Saturday and Tuesday
    Arimidex at .25 eod and hopefully down it to .25e3d

    Cals will be 4500daily


    Phase 2:
    Test e @ 250mg weekly
    Anavar @ 60mg daily 8 weeks
    Adex & hcg

    Pct of clomid, Nolvadex 50/50/50/50/50 20/20/20/20/20

    Cals will be 4000daily or less

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    Just curious but why run two weeks lower test? And won't you be worried about losing your new found muscle jumping into a cut that fast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soar View Post
    Just curious but why run two weeks lower test? And won't you be worried about losing your new found muscle jumping into a cut that fast?
    there is so much wrong with this, he wont listen, he wants to do it his way. like being 162lbs and eating 4000-4500 a day. im not sure where he got the idea that bulking and then cutting 2 weeks later is the way to go. This guy could eat clean 200 calories over maintenance and achieve better results in the same time, save money and actually be healthy.

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    lets not even get into the extended liver damage from 16 weeks of orals. Anavar isnt a clean drug. its only "cleaner" then most. Eating this way coupled with taking var puts you at high risk of LIpid damage from the var. Something that u cant fix.

    Cutting is never about steriod compounds, its about your diet and eating 4000 calories on a cut as a man who is 162lbs and fat will not help you get cut.

    not sure who gave teh green light on this cycle and diet plan, but its some of the worst advice i have ever seen.

    and you can take that to the bank.

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    Edit: delete this jargon
    Last edited by >Good Luck<; 01-22-2013 at 05:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soar
    Just curious but why run two weeks lower test? And won't you be worried about losing your new found muscle jumping into a cut that fast?
    Yea I was bs'ing because the thread went dormant for a bit. Thought I'd see which haters were still around. I'll be posting my real cycle, pictures and all if and when my thread gets moved to the members experience section. I've asked admin to move it for me so it an be more of geared towards the cycle and diet combo and how it effects my body and health

    Thanks for sticking around and not being rude like others with their insults and disrespect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by >Good Luck< View Post

    Yea I was bs'ing because the thread went dormant for a bit. Thought I'd see which haters were still around. I'll be posting my real cycle, pictures and all if and when my thread gets moved to the members experience section. I've asked admin to move it for me so it an be more of geared towards the cycle and diet combo and how it effects my body and health

    Thanks for sticking around and not being rude like others with their insults and disrespect.
    Lol yea I'm still reading haha, kinda threw me a curve ball there. Thought it was more broscience at work lmao

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    how am i rude, pointing out your approach is flawed and terrible. Most of the pro's on here wont comment in these threads, for good reason, i do because as negative as you feel i am, im being honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery
    how am i rude, pointing out your approach is flawed and terrible. Most of the pro's on here wont comment in these threads, for good reason, i do because as negative as you feel i am, im being honest.
    Please understand that it's not what you say, but how you say it. If you came off a little nicer i might have been inclined to take you seriously. The problem around here is the way people try to help by being derogative and disrespectful. I do understand that what I'm doing has some associated risks, and may not be the smartest decision, however I have acknowledged this in my original post and made it clear that I don't recommend anyone else try it- and furthermore I am donating my experience to others to have a place to show people just what can happen from what I'm doing. I will survive. And I don't believe I will do any irreversible damage. I had BW done prior to starting and will have it redone in 6 months, and again in 1 year.

    Mockery, I honestly apologize for being so harsh but please understand that I'm not someone who takes ridicule easily and that is a common trait. Nobody likes to be talked down to or get pushed around. If you go over to bb dot com, see what a bulk consists of over there. Not everyone on every other site is retarded. I admit, this site has much more to offer me, but there are other educated experienced lifters/ bb'ers around other forums.

    I don't want to argue or fight, or especially make any enemies. I hope we can get past this and learn something from each other. If not, at least I feel better about clearing the air from my side.

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    How long has it been since you upped your diet?

    Any weight gain?


    All I see so far in here is bickering and other BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> >
    How long has it been since you upped your diet?

    Any weight gain?

    All I see so far in here is bickering and other BS.
    Agreed

    I've been hanging around 3300 -3800 Cals for about 4 months and made no gains. Just trying to keep my gains from my cycle. Now it's time to up my diet and grow and all I hear is how I'm gonna die or explode lol

    Thanks Samson, good to have you here. Cycle starts tomorrow so stay tuned

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    Cycle starting in 12 hours: (for real this time, no joke)

    700mg test E 12 weeks- Sunday 9am 350mg & Wednesday 9pm 350mg

    Turinabol 60mg daily 8 weeks (may scale back to 30mg if I experience sides)

    Adex @ .25 eod or e3d

    Hcg @ 250iu 24hours before each shot starting week 2

    PCT to begin 14 days after last shot
    Nolv 20/20/20/20
    Clom 50/50/50/50 (100mg gave me vision probs)

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    Wow, that is scurry. Those are some serious cals and without gains < WTF, still no gain in weight.



    This is what I am starting to see also. I counted my cals, I am coming over 3500 per day and still I gain nothing. Didn't see a growth plateau coming. But, I guess they do exist. But, I am damn near 220 pounds.


    Good luck with the cycle man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> >
    Wow, that is scurry. Those are some serious cals and without gains < WTF, still no gain in weight.

    This is what I am starting to see also. I counted my cals, I am coming over 3500 per day and still I gain nothing. Didn't see a growth plateau coming. But, I guess they do exist. But, I am damn near 220 pounds.

    Good luck with the cycle man!
    Thanks bro! I'm sure you'll break the plateau if u really want to

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat View Post
    hahahahaha.....initially i almost replied that i wasn't wearing any panties.....funny!
    Crap! I got this far and got sidetracked. Dang you GGR! The word panties coming from a woman, and now this??? Not fair with all the testosterone flowing around here. And with your newest Avi, nope. I stop reading here. AAAHHHHHHH!

    BTW, good luck GL.

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    Update:

    Started my cycle at 9am as planned.

    350mg Test E
    60 mg tbol
    No adex yet, no hcg yet.

    Ate like a champ today, but not like a weekday.

    8am - 1.5 cups oatmeal crisp cereal, 2 cups milk

    9am - bacon strips x 8, toast w/mayo x 2, lettuce and tomato & 500ml milk

    12 - PWO whey, milk, oats

    1 - pasta w/ cheese sauce, water

    4pm - pizza, water

    7pm- 5 pork schnitzel, mashed potatoes, corn, broccoli, water

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    Still eating, and slowly gaining. Up .4lbs morning weight. 162.6lbs

    About to eat a 454g (net weight probably 350g) t-bone steak, roasted potatoes, roasted sweet potatoes (both with EVOO, salt pepper and oregano), peas, and Cesar salad (easy on the dressing and no bacon bits)

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth

    Crap! I got this far and got sidetracked. Dang you GGR! The word panties coming from a woman, and now this??? Not fair with all the testosterone flowing around here. And with your newest Avi, nope. I stop reading here. AAAHHHHHHH!

    BTW, good luck GL.
    Thanks war

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    Update: I just gained 1 lb. Standing at 163.5lbs as of this am. Feeling a bit sluggish after dinner. That's the time that my body starts saying "ok a-hole, you've shoved enough down the feed hole for today" but I MUST get one more snack before bed. I don't notice any difference in the mirror yet, which i don't expect to for another week or 2. I am starting to understand why dirty bulking is not such a great choice, but I'm going to follow thru for a little while for educational purposes. If I notice any serious changes to my health in a negative way i will cease immediately.

    Now for the cycle update, today is shot#2 of 350mg test e. T minus 55 minutes. No pip from the first shot, upper quad area - right leg. Aiming for left leg same area today.

    Tbol is pretty solid, I haven't noticed anything really, except MEGA gas... Maybe placebo, but today I worked shoulders and back and traps pretty intense. More so than usual. Made sure to exhaust every muscle group and beyond. I switched to a 3 on 1 off for my cycle routine. Had energy and had good intensity from start to finish. Tomorrow is day off followed by chest and arms.

    Split is as follows

    chest/arms- legs/abs - back/shoulders/traps

    Rest 1 day and repeat with a second set of exercises not performed on first round of 3 day split

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    Rest day today, but I really want to work out. I'll just hit it hard tomorrow.

    Last nights shot was a bit sketchy. Spot was fine, aspirated and no blood- however when i was trying to depress the plunger, it didn't want to budge for a good 10 seconds. Finally after the first 10 seconds of trying, it started to move but actually went about .2mL in a split second. After that it went completely smooth and slow like I planned. Today----- HEAVY PIP! I expected this to happen as soon as the plunger dropped so quickly. Oh well, I'll survive. Hopefully it doesn't interfere with my Saturday legs day...

    I have a stag to go to tomorrow but I won't be doing much drinking. I'll maybe have 2-3 drinks all night just to blend in and not get harassed! There will be some serious food because it's an Italian event. Looking forward to the food and guaranteed BOOBIES!

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