HGH log for everyone!

[TheCamel]

To increase PTOR and reduce bf.

sorry man i am not a native english speaker.
what is a PTOR?

[NotSmall]

ahh cool, NS how much T4 do you think is adequate for 4ius of gh, I know the maintenance dose is usually between 100-200mcg, of I know it's would depend on blood work etc but from your experience bro how much would you use or recommend?

I would go for 100mcg simply as replacement but move it more towards the 200mcg if I wanted to speed up the leaning out process - you need to be taking a good multi-mineral with T4 to ensure that your body can convert it to T3.

[NotSmall]

sorry man i am not a native english speaker.
what is a PTOR?

Protein Turn Over Rate - i.e. the rate at which your body can break down protein and assimilate it into muscle.

[TheCamel]

Protein Turn Over Rate - i.e. the rate at which your body can break down protein and assimilate it into muscle.

thanks.

what ratio are you using between T4 and T3?

[NotSmall]

thanks.

what ratio are you using between T4 and T3?

50/50 - I am using what is supposed to be 100mcg of each ed BUT it is liquid stuff from a research company and I am very confident I am not really getting 100mcg of each - I have used pharma T3 before and I could really feel it - with this stuff I cannot.

[Xtralarg]

Whats the latest news on your blast cycle then NS?

[Chev]

^^^^^was wondering the same^^^^^^^

How long did you have save money to buy that blast cycle???

[NotSmall]

Whats the latest news on your blast cycle then NS?

Well the only noticeable result from running 200ius in 5 days was chronic CTS and ridiculously bloated ankles, lol, now the idea was then to run a heavy AAS cycle straight after to mature the new cells that should have been created during the GH blast - however - due to personal reasons I cannot afford to be on tren right now - I need to be on my best behaviour and running tren is not condusive to that!

^^^^^was wondering the same^^^^^^^

How long did you have save money to buy that blast cycle???

I am lucky enough to have a job that pays me pretty good

[Xtralarg]

Well the only noticeable result from running 200ius in 5 days was chronic CTS and ridiculously bloated ankles, lol, now the idea was then to run a heavy AAS cycle straight after to mature the new cells that should have been created during the GH blast - however - due to personal reasons I cannot afford to be on tren right now - I need to be on my best behaviour and running tren is not condusive to that!




I am lucky enough to have a job that pays me pretty good

Do you think running such a high dose has worked?

[NotSmall]

Do you think running such a high dose has worked?

Hard to say - the idea of it is that you see the results in the following weeks as you mature the new cells which ideally would be done with some heavy androgens and I have all that ready to go but like I say - for personal reasons I cannot run it right now.

[Xtralarg]

Hard to say - the idea of it is that you see the results in the following weeks as you mature the new cells which ideally would be done with some heavy androgens and I have all that ready to go but like I say - for personal reasons I cannot run it right now.

Thats a shame, I guess all you can do is try it again when things are better for you.

I am suprised that you were able to handle the sides!

[babyface770]

I have used pharma T3 before and I could really feel it - with this stuff I cannot.

how do u feel it ?

[NotSmall]

Thats a shame, I guess all you can do is try it again when things are better for you.

I am suprised that you were able to handle the sides!

I wouldn't have wanted to run it any longer!

[NotSmall]

how do u feel it ?

Could just feel myself "come up" on it (if you'll excuse the rec drug terminology lol) kinda felt revved up - hard to describe.

[Hazard]

Just some quick notes here......

My hgh supply started getting low so I decided to cut back to 6iu's until my order comes in. I started doing all 6iu's between 7-8pm and my sleep has definately improved and all my fingers feel "fat" in the morning..... the muscle bellies feel "fuller"..... and I just all around feel better. I've only been doing this for a few days so far.....

~Haz~

[mperk]

[QUOTE=NotSmall;5251900]however - due to personal reasons I cannot afford to be on tren right now - I need to be on my best behaviour and running tren is not condusive to that!
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LOL - When i was on Tren i was a beast! hahahaha - I let my temper fly a few times. Although it was always someone who deserved it, it di make me look like a jacka$$! something I usually try to conceal!

Where do you guys inject? i have been going for belly fat but it leaves a nice little bruise!!!

[Matt]

[quote=mperk;5254786]

however - due to personal reasons I cannot afford to be on tren right now - I need to be on my best behaviour and running tren is not condusive to that!
QUOTE]

LOL - When i was on Tren i was a beast! hahahaha - I let my temper fly a few times. Although it was always someone who deserved it, it di make me look like a jacka$$! something I usually try to conceal!

Where do you guys inject? i have been going for belly fat but it leaves a nice little bruise!!!

Around the stomach, ive not had any red marks or lumps but i do go deep into the fat....

[P3rf3ctionist]

If you can handle the dose then keep going. Have you put put any weight on?

Just weighed myself today bro and have actually put on 5.5lbs in the past 3.5 weeks when I last weighed myself, there's been no change in diet, it has been strict low carb cycling, workout intensity has increased and I visibly look leaner but the scales moved in the wrong direction, any ideas bro I'm not losing weight any faster? I'm due to get my bloods done on Tuesday, do you think low T4/T3 could be partially responsible? Over the past 10 days or so I've been feeling much more tired during the day and have had to take consistent naps of 2-3 hours just to feel normal.

[P3rf3ctionist]

[QUOTE=007;5254961]

Around the stomach, ive not had any red marks or lumps but i do go deep into the fat....

From what I read injecting into fat slows the absorption rate of the aqueous solution as water is hydrophobic and in turn reduces the bioavailability. What's your views/opinion on that bro?

[boss4romdabay]

i just started my hgh cycle yesterday morning but i started at 3ius is that ok or should start at 2iu and ramp up in a few weeks? i just thought that 1 more iu wouldnt make that big of a difference right? have any of you guys started high or ramped up pretty quick?

its been 8 days since i started my gh at 3iu and i havent really had bad sides at all on like day 3 i had a serious head ache and i felt so tired i slept all day and night but on like day 5 everything was fine. i have noticed a little soreness in my wrist but it went away after a few mins. maybe im just on so much shit i cant notice the sides but im on tren right now and im sleeping my ass off all this week! is it too soon to notice sides?

[swimswamswum]

i just got off my second cycle i used 200mg of test prop eod, eq 300mg weekly w/winni tabs 50mg ed, 1st cycle was 2 years ago 3 bottles of test cyp w/eq and dbol ,
im 5'10 242lbs about 16-18%bf, im looking to start a peptide cycle i have
IGF1 DES 1,3 2x 1mg/2ml
IGF1 LR3 2x 1mg
IGF2 LR3 2x 1mg/2ml
HGH Fragment 176-191 2x 5mg/2ml
but i have no clue how to take all this, i understand how to load the needle and prep the peptides but i have no clue on the amount of which i take and when to take it, and do i need more of any of them or all of them, im looking to see some veins other than just a few and put on some size while dropping a lot of fat

[Xtralarg]

Just weighed myself today bro and have actually put on 5.5lbs in the past 3.5 weeks when I last weighed myself, there's been no change in diet, it has been strict low carb cycling, workout intensity has increased and I visibly look leaner but the scales moved in the wrong direction, any ideas bro I'm not losing weight any faster? I'm due to get my bloods done on Tuesday, do you think low T4/T3 could be partially responsible? Over the past 10 days or so I've been feeling much more tired during the day and have had to take consistent naps of 2-3 hours just to feel normal.

Do you feel like you are retining a lot of water?

Any numbness, CTS etc?

[mperk]

[QUOTE=P3rf3ctionist;5255379]

From what I read injecting into fat slows the absorption rate of the aqueous solution as water is hydrophobic and in turn reduces the bioavailability. What's your views/opinion on that bro?

You know I've heard both that and that it doesn't matter 'cause the difference is negligible. My problem is that it is hard to find fat that is think enough. Not that I am ripped but i prolly have 1/4" fat all over and then 1/2-3/4" at my waist. I use an insulin pin so it's only 1/2" long - i have to grab the fat in my hand 'cause if I go straight in it goes into my abs. BTW - I'm about 10- 11% BF

these bruises are embarrassing - if anyone knows about roids - I look like a junky...(or a leopard). especially in the locker room at the gym. My wife doesn't give a $hit - hahahaha - there's the irony - she likes uber skinny guys like that dude in the twilight movies. I think she came in the theater first one we saw - hahahahaha

[BJJ]

I was on a holiday lastly but did not forget to take notice of my HGH progression.

Basically, I increased the daily dose from 8 iu to 16/24 iu and noticed some bloating in either my face and lips as well as in my wrists, hands and tummy; basically everywhere, I cannot take off my marriage ring anymore!

Also, I started to pin before bed and noticed, in terms of abs visibility, a better "performance" of the drug upon awakening.

IM injections seem to be more powerful than sub-q, I sleep deeper.

Furthermore, I bumped the daily intake of T4 to 150/200 mcg and I am awaiting a new blood work to see how my thyroid reacted on such a dose.

On a side note, I want to report something weird. My skin is sensitive so I need sun-protection cream in the summer. So, intentionally I never used any cream and for the first time in my life I did not get burned. Somatropin...?

Please, guess my body fat percentage here (last week of PCT): http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post5257677

[Xtralarg]

I was on a holiday lastly but did not forget to take notice of my HGH progression.

Basically, I increased the daily dose from 8 iu to 16/24 iu and noticed some bloating in either my face and lips as well as in my wrists, hands and tummy; basically everywhere, I cannot take off my marriage ring anymore!

Also, I started to pin before bed and noticed, in terms of abs visibility, a better "performance" of the drug upon awakening.

IM injections seem to be more powerful than sub-q, I sleep deeper.

Furthermore, I bumped the daily intake of T4 to 150/200 mcg and I am awaiting a new blood work to see how my thyroid reacted on such a dose.

On a side note, I want to report something weird. My skin is sensitive so I need sun-protection cream in the summer. So, intentionally I never used any cream and for the first time in my life I did not get burned. Somatropin...?

Please, guess my body fat percentage here (last week of PCT): http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post5257677

Good to have you back!

You look in excellent shape!

[BJJ]

Good to have you back!

You look in excellent shape!

Thanks man, much appreciate it.

I have put my hands today on a new brand named somatrope which came into an ampulla with water already inside to be mixed.

The vials are much bigger than usual and it seems a legit drug... they ship from Bulgaria.

I wanted to make it analyzed but I was asked the same price I would spend for 500 IU of HGH. Too much, so I will continue to follow the blood work protocol until I find a more affordable place even because I have now on hand 5 different types of HGH all from different sources, 3 powders, 1 pen and 1 ampulla and also getting a new blood work each time is becoming very expensive!!!

[Xtralarg]

Thanks man, much appreciate it.

I have put my hands today on a new brand named somatrope which came into an ampulla with water already inside to be mixed.

The vials are much bigger than usual and it seems a legit drug... they ship from Bulgaria.

I wanted to make it analyzed but I was asked the same price I would spend for 500 IU of HGH. Too much, so I will continue to follow the blood work protocol until I find a more affordable place even because I have now on hand 5 different types of HGH all from different sources, 3 powders, 1 pen and 1 ampulla and also getting a new blood work each time is becoming very expensive!!!

Well what you have been using looks like it has been working very well!

Haqve you noticed any differene between the pen and the powder?

[BJJ]

Well what you have been using looks like it has been working very well!

Haqve you noticed any differene between the pen and the powder?

So far I have been using only powder, either the pen and the ampulla are on hold.

I will start them soon, I have to finish to use the hy_getropin and I have left still 200 IU.

Also I must notice, looking at my HGH and IGF-1 values, that there is a difference among the three powders I used so far.

Basically, this is what I noticed:

IGF-1: 135 ng/ml [96 - 424]______________________159__________________238__________________________________________________ _______461
HGH: 0,3 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]_____________________________________________11,1____________________________________10,5_________________22,2

__________________________________________________ ________________EuroHormones
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______Generic Green Tops
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________Generic Yellow Tops***

Injection time: 05:30 am (all three types)
Days on the same drug before testing: 7 (all three types)
Blood work time: 08:00 am (all three types)
Amount injected: 4 iu (eurohormones) - 4 iu (green Tops) - 5 iu (yellow Tops)
Injection site: umbilical (eurohormones) - oblique (green/yellow tops)
Injection type: sub-q (all three types)

So, it seems that the best result was achieved by the yellow tops either in terms of somatotropin and IGF-1.

You are surely more expert, what do you think by looking at that blood panel?
Unfortunately, I could not check the somatomedin the second time.

***
marcus do you remember the shipment from Liverpool?
Well, it was the yellow tops. Having you too more experience, you may sum up your own conclusions.

[marcus300]

So far I have been using only powder, either the pen and the ampulla are on hold.

I will start them soon, I have to finish to use the hy_getropin and I have left still 200 IU.

Also I must notice, looking at my HGH and IGF-1 values, that there is a difference among the three powders I used so far.

Basically, this is what I noticed:

IGF-1: 135 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________________159__________________238__________________________________________________ _______461
HGH: 0,3 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]__________________________________________________ ____________________11,1____________________________________10,5_________________22,2

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________EuroHormones
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________________Generic Green Tops
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __Generic Yellow Tops***

Injection time: 05:30 am (all three types)
Days on the same drug before testing: 7 (all three types)
Blood work time: 08:00 am (all three types)
Amount injected: 4 (EH) - 4 (GGT) - 5 (GYT)

So, it seems that the best result was achieved by the yellow tops either in terms of somatotropin and IGF-1.

You are surely more expert, what do you think by looking at that blood panel?
Unfortunately, I could not check the somatomedin the second time.

***
marcus do you remember the shipment from Liverpool?
Well, it was the yellow tops. Having you too more experience, you may sum up your own conclusions.

Can you write this out alittle easier so it can be read correctly, i am struggling to understand it, are the figures from 3 different gh's

[BJJ]

So far I have been using only powder, either the pen and the ampulla are on hold.

I will start them soon, I have to finish to use the hy_getropin and I have left still 200 IU.

Also I must notice, looking at my HGH and IGF-1 values, that there is a difference among the three powders I used so far.

Basically, this is what I noticed:

IGF-1: 135 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________________159__________________238__________________________________________________ _______461
HGH: 0,3 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]__________________________________________________ ____________________11,1____________________________________10,5_________________22,2

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________EuroHormones
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________________Generic Green Tops
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __Generic Yellow Tops***

Injection time: 05:30 am (all three types)
Days on the same drug before testing: 7 (all three types)
Blood work time: 08:00 am (all three types)
Amount injected: 4 (EH) - 4 (GGT) - 5 (GYT)

So, it seems that the best result was achieved by the yellow tops either in terms of somatotropin and IGF-1.

You are surely more expert, what do you think by looking at that blood panel?
Unfortunately, I could not check the somatomedin the second time.

***
marcus do you remember the shipment from Liverpool?
Well, it was the yellow tops. Having you too more experience, you may sum up your own conclusions.

Can you write this out alittle easier so it can be read correctly, i am struggling to understand it, are the figures from 3 different gh's

Yes, you can see my levels before starting the cycle on the left.
Then a IGF-1 check when I was using only testosterone suspension .
Then, when I started HGH by the end of the cycle I checked somatotropin and somatomedin (eurohormones).
Then, the second brand (green tops) I could only check somatotropin and with the final blood work (yellow tops) I could check again both levels of HGH and IGF-1.

Let me know if it is clear now.

[Xtralarg]

Yes, you can see my levels before starting the cycle on the left.
Then a IGF-1 check when I was using only testosterone suspension .
Then, when I started HGH by the end of the cycle I checked somatotropin and somatomedin (eurohormones).
Then, the second brand (green tops) I could only check somatotropin and with the final blood work (yellow tops) I could check again both levels of HGH and IGF-1.

Let me know if it is clear now.

It will be interesting to see what the results are with the hyges.

[BJJ]

It will be interesting to see what the results are with the hyges.

Yes, I second that statement.
In 7 days I will get a new BW again.

[AndriodLee]

It will be interesting to see what the results are with the hyges.

so the generic greens are hyges?

[Xtralarg]

Yes, I second that statement.
In 7 days I will get a new BW again.

How long before you take the blood do you shoot the hgh and by what method to you administer the shot?

[Xtralarg]

so the generic greens are hyges?

No, hyges are hyges and generic greens are a generic hgh with green tops.

[BJJ]

How long before you take the blood do you shoot the hgh and by what method to you administer the shot?

Injection time: 05:30 am (all three types)
Days on the same drug before testing: 7 (all three types)
Blood work time: 08:00 am (all three types)
Amount injected: 4 iu (eurohormones) - 4 iu (green Tops) - 5 iu (yellow Tops)
Injection site: umbilical (eurohormones) - oblique (green/yellow tops)
Injection type: sub-q (all three types)

[marcus300]

Yes, you can see my levels before starting the cycle on the left.
Then a IGF-1 check when I was using only testosterone suspension .
Then, when I started HGH by the end of the cycle I checked somatotropin and somatomedin (eurohormones).
Then, the second brand (green tops) I could only check somatotropin and with the final blood work (yellow tops) I could check again both levels of HGH and IGF-1.

Let me know if it is clear now.

There's been some confusion recently regarding blood test and hgh/igf but this shows it can be tested and results confirm this, will be interesting to see your hyge results and which of your 3 gh's are better quality

[BJJ]

There's been some confusion recently regarding blood test and hgh/igf but this shows it can be tested and results confirm this, will be interesting to see your hyge results and which of your 3 gh's are better quality

Confusion? what did I miss?

Yes I am looking forward to see my HYGE results.

Regarding the quality, the yellow tops seem to be the best so far.

[marcus300]

Confusion? what did I miss?

Yes I am looking forward to see my HYGE results.

Regarding the quality, the yellow tops seem to be the best so far.

From your blood work its seems yellow's are the best and the other's were underdosed.


The confusion is on anther thread chinese conern one, we were debating about whats the best test to see if your hgh is hgh

[BJJ]

From your blood work its seems yellow's are the best and the other's were underdosed. my thought as well


The confusion is on anther thread chinese conern one, we were debating about whats the best test to see if your hgh is hgh

Well I believe the REAL BEST way would be to test it before injecting it, it is obvious.

The problem is, at least for me, the price I was requested to analyze a vial of HGH.

If you have any private lab with an affordable price, please let me know.