HGH log for everyone!

[Xtralarg]

Just an update, the numbness has improved, mainly restricted to the morning now.

Also XT, bloat has gone down drastically in the past 10 days or so.

Had full bloods done on Wednesday, waiting for the results to come back so I can begin the T4.

Its good news that the bloat has gone and CTS has improved. Did you get your somatropin levels checked when you had your bloods done?

Are you using pharma grade rHGH?

[P3rf3ctionist]

Its good news that the bloat has gone and CTS has improved. Did you get your somatropin levels checked when you had your bloods done?

Are you using pharma grade rHGH?

Yup XT, requested I have my somatropin levels checked the results are meant to be in on Monday morning, also XT my AAS cycle is meant to commence on the 3rd of August. I'm intending of supplementing during the whole duration of the 10week bulker with 100mcg of T4 and 20mcg of T3, any opinion? Will be stopping the T4+T3 in week 8 when i stop the Tren .

It's Chinese rHGH and I have read everybody's concern in the the other thread, I'm very confident that the stuff I have is 100% legit as my supplier is the most reliable person to get rHGH and from the s/e i've experienced so far are consistent with exogenous rHGH administration but at my college I know a few people in the chemistry department so I will be getting a vial tested by high performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) and a particular infrared spectroscopy technique called absorption spectroscopy. I'm still in the process of arranging the time and date of when the tests will occur.

[BJJ]

Yup XT, requested I have my somatropin levels checked the results are meant to be in on Monday morning, also XT my AAS cycle is meant to commence on the 3rd of August. I'm intending of supplementing during the whole duration of the 10week bulker with 100mcg of T4 and 20mcg of T3, any opinion? Will be stopping the T4+T3 in week 8 when i stop the Tren .

It's Chinese rHGH and I have read everybody's concern in the the other thread, I'm very confident that the stuff I have is 100% legit as my supplier is the most reliable person to get rHGH and from the s/e i've experienced so far are consistent with exogenous rHGH administration but at my college I know a few people in the chemistry department so I will be getting a vial tested by high performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) and a particular infrared spectroscopy technique called absorption spectroscopy. I'm still in the process of arranging the time and date of when the tests will occur.

good call

[Xtralarg]

Yup XT, requested I have my somatropin levels checked the results are meant to be in on Monday morning, also XT my AAS cycle is meant to commence on the 3rd of August. I'm intending of supplementing during the whole duration of the 10week bulker with 100mcg of T4 and 20mcg of T3, any opinion? Will be stopping the T4+T3 in week 8 when i stop the Tren .

It's Chinese rHGH and I have read everybody's concern in the the other thread, I'm very confident that the stuff I have is 100% legit as my supplier is the most reliable person to get rHGH and from the s/e i've experienced so far are consistent with exogenous rHGH administration but at my college I know a few people in the chemistry department so I will be getting a vial tested by high performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) and a particular infrared spectroscopy technique called absorption spectroscopy. I'm still in the process of arranging the time and date of when the tests will occur.

Will your friend produce a detailed report or just give you the thumbs up/down?

[BJJ]

^^^
I hope for the first option P3rf3ctionist.

[SuperBird]

Ive been surfin this forum for a very very long time. but today i post for the first time because i lost my original id and i think this HGH log is a good idea for a thread. its not quite thoroughly definitive yet but its surely on its way.

Ive been juicin for 20 years, and just this past month i took interest in HGH. And for as long as i been juicin it up, i made a rookies maneuver and purchased HGH before i did enough homework. Im pretty sure i wasted a few hundred dollars on green top 8iu's, enough for only three weeks even. which i have been doing at 4iu per day. the quality is there, just the amount is not. way too expensive to jump to 16iu per day. 4iu per day for only three weeks is quite a hefty bill its self.

Im 42, 243 pounds with a thick stomach (always temporary when bulking). i am fortunate in the fact that my body hyper-responds to any diet i implement. if i want to be 60 pounds heavier in muscle in three months i can do it easy, and if i want to be skinny i can do that as well. im just fortunate in my genetic body response. its freakish really.

my deal is fina and test. thats what my body loves. but.. after starting my HGH and reading this thread. it seems that the consensus is that it basically takes 16iu 4days on 2 days off repeating to get significant anabolic gains..... and thats AFTER 7 months of use. and that anything less is decent for fat loss and the secondary youth effects. its my opinion that for hundreds of dollars less per month i can utilize clenbuterol , L-Carnatine, cardio and a decent diet to shed fat. ive been doing the 4iu for three weeks now along with proviron in a mix with my test enanthe 250 every 2 days and my fat is coming off not so dramatically. and i use plenty of clen and carnatine. 4 tabs of clen and 2 caps of carnatine at cardio time. so if im not going to see gains, it has been less than exciting performance for what i paid for a months worth. *** what i have certainly noticed immediately on HGH is swollen oily glands on both sides of the nose and terribly tired daily. i did start out with headaches but that went away after couple days. just mostly oily facial skin and severe sleepiness. maybe another month and the fat loss is more impressive, but i dont want to invest another couple hundred for that lone benefit. also, maybe its just that im not on the nolvadex but my frontal hair loss is also at defcon 4. but the past couple years, my pct has been garbage. ive suffered lots of side effects but not so radical, crap that just comes with age. except that fina dick crap, i hate that. i hear about caber but i dont know where to get it, (i wish a little birdy would send me a message and save my day) i hear good things about it.

anyhow....
im 43 (next week) in todays world thats still a puppy. i know 70yr olds pumped on gear.
243 pounds
thick stomach/gut
lifter for 20 years
currently the past month...
test enanthe 300 every 2 days - knowing all UG lab products boast more mg than it actually has by 30 percent.
HGH 1 morning shot of 4iu, four days on and 2 days off - 4 days on 2 days off....
proviron 1 tab daily - for synergistic mechanism between HGH and Testosterone . should have t4 but dont. knowing t4 converts to t3, but i have none.
1 spoon creatine mono daily
4 40mcg tabs twice daily of clenbuterol (9am and 3pm) every other day,... let the heart relax.
2 500 mg caps of L-Carnatine half hour before cardio every other day (3 day a week). i believe jay cutler uses 3 caps half hour before cardio.
200 to 250 or more grams protein: consisting of- canned tuna and chicken breast and protein powder each day. red meat is hard to get where im at.
water, coke zero, 100 percent pure fresh orange juice, propel orange and milk are my only liquids most often. unless you know of buko juice.
no fried food. regular minimal daily greens and cup of rice each day. no white bread. few few few carbs. pasta once a week. wheat bread only.
(***i do put mayonnaise in my tuna - lots !!!! go ahead... throw rocks at me) but its absolutely my only fat intake. tuna/mayo/sugarless wheat bread. do what ya gotta do.

my body size is down because i was hospitalized but im back in the gym now.
this past three weeks my shoulders and arms and chest have bulked back up yet my weight remained at 243, so its safe to say i lost 10 pounds at least because as well my stomach has sunken in on the sides. But after this three weeks, how much was credited to the HGH? i dont know, because i can do this on juice only with test 300. so to me, i wonder if the HGH is even worth it if your not doing 16iu per day. my fat loss has not been fantastic compared to any year of training before this month. i actually look forward to coming off GH so my skin will dry up around my nose and i get my full days energy back.

now as i said earlier about fina and test. I WILL put on 20 pounds of solid muscle per month on fina and test enanthe each month with substantial fat loss. so why do i consider the HGH? for ten times the price? i dont know what i was thinking. i dont know if its worth 600 hundred bucks a month to lose minor crows feet around the eyes. and test itself will roll the fat off if you have a good diet.

after this cycle i will post what i got out of the HGH for the rookie users who walk behind me (in a much shorter post ).

this is a great thread and im glad to see it. but it will be better when it developes its short list of certainties in a sticky. for example...

what i think ive learned and each rookie should know. quickly correct what im wrong about.....

1. for substantially noticeable anabolic gains HGH 16iu daily will need to be done for 7 months along with proviron and a form of Testosterone.
2. anything less than 8iu daily will most likely be a waste for the novice or even intermediate without a STRICT diet regimen. lousy diet will just destroy the GH fat burning process leaving lousy anabolic performance from only 8iu.
3. 4iu daily will pretty much be of weight loss value only and long term benefit at that, maybe five months at least. and not fantastically impressive. especially if its rookie body building diet.....(sluffing down a cheese burger here and there).

^^^^ if those things were stickied in an HGH post.... i wouldnt have bought the kit i did. but live, read, and learn. (or lose bucks on your own)

im thoroughly experienced in all juices, but this round with HGH is my first. i hope we can all share some excellent info in this thread, and please without hesitance correct any of my wrongs, and enlighten me where you can.

I have six months of fina just staring me in the face here, but i get severely depressed when i use it because of the limpdick trauma. i really want on it as soon as this cycle of HGH is over, but i cry thinking about it. (oh how i wish i could find some caber i want to try that stuff so bad). im just now recovering from fina limpdick trauma from four months ago, i had no pct fixer. so i hate the thought of going through it again. and so does my girl.

dont give me too hard of a time..... im just trying to be productive here and give what i can ya know. i hope i offered something creative in some way.


*** oh, and also... for the past month, i have to get up and pee every half hour of the night. GRRRRRRRRR !!!! i hate that.

[BJJ]

^^^
You had something to write about lol...

4 Questions:

1. What is the name of the green tops you used? (remember not to mention any source)
2. Why are you using that amount of proteins? 1 g per pound
3. Why did not you take into account T4?
4. Any blood work to share?

By the way, welcome to the forum.

[boss4romdabay]

im going into my 3rd week of 3iu a week and im cutting but have gone up like 4 lbs. how long will the water gain be here?

[Xtralarg]

im going into my 3rd week of 3iu a week and im cutting but have gone up like 4 lbs. how long will the water gain be here?

If you keep the dose the same then is should be subsiding soon, if you increase the dose then it may return though.

[SuperBird]

^^^
You had something to write about lol...

4 Questions:

1. What is the name of the green tops you used? (remember not to mention any source)
2. Why are you using that amount of proteins? 1 g per pound
3. Why did not you take into account T4?
4. Any blood work to share?

By the way, welcome to the forum.

haha, yea i do like to be thorough.

1. (wont let me put a name). Lets just say it starts with H. comes from china. has verification number. tops are actually turquoise. (can i give price?).
2. I think i misled you in protein grms in the wording so i edited it. Im spending some time in asia right now, so canned tuna, native chicken breast and protein shakes is all the quality protein i can get. combined daily is 200 to 250 grms protein daily. but sometimes i end up with more protein daily just because of hunger. i might eat another can of tuna and half loaf of wheat bread before bed.
3. I didnt take the T4 because i had everything else already, and i couldnt locate any T4. and i didnt have enough posts here to privately request a source. so I went on without it.
4. as far as bloodwork, i went into the hospital to get the blood drawn for the work, and the bill was 200 dollars. man, i wasnt prepared for that, so i said lets hold off on that until i have it on me next time. i had only 120 bucks with me that day and thought that would cover it.
that blood work is really important to monitor for sure, its nice to know why certain things are happening in the body and where to make changes.

Thanks......

[SuperBird]

im going into my 3rd week of 3iu a week and im cutting but have gone up like 4 lbs. how long will the water gain be here?

Youre cutting on 3iu a week?

Im suspecting your already radically loaded on natural GH. your under 25. lots of cardio and pure protein and veggie diet?

[Xtralarg]

haha, yea i do like to be thorough.

1. (wont let me put a name). Lets just say it starts with H. comes from china. has verification number. tops are actually turquoise. (can i give price?).
Thanks......

No price talk allowed, have the tops got a pinwheel on them or hyge 8iu?

[SuperBird]

No price talk allowed, have the tops got a pinwheel on them or hyge 8iu?

yup. pinwheel. i tried to put the long name of hyge but it got censored.

[Xtralarg]

yup. pinwheel. i tried to put the long name of hyge but it got censored.

They are not real hyges, real ones have the word hygexxxxxx and then 8iu's on the tops.

[boss4romdabay]

Youre cutting on 3iu a week?

Im suspecting your already radically loaded on natural GH. your under 25. lots of cardio and pure protein and veggie diet?

dont get what you mean! are you being sarcastic?

[boss4romdabay]

If you keep the dose the same then is should be subsiding soon, if you increase the dose then it may return though.

damn, well im going up to 4iu at the end of next week so i guess i'll have to deal with it!

[dec11]

Ive never done short burst cycles, ie 4/5/6 weeks..

I usually run cycles for 12/14 weeks...

I you thinking that throwing a number of short burst cycles in there would be of some benefit???

i did a short blast with prop and tren a recently, def the best results ive had so far, although i made the mistake of dropping straight down to my trt dose after and crashed alittle

[hankdiesel]

8iu a day is not the minimum dose to see decent results. I'm sure many would agree.

[SuperBird]

They are not real hyges, real ones have the word hygexxxxxx and then 8iu's on the tops.

the real ones have the full name and 8iu on the turquoise plastic cap? that name can fit on that little cap? all mine has on the caps is a pinwheel. now all i can do is stare at this little bottle.

good grief. a sincere thanks for ruining my day.

[SuperBird]

dont get what you mean! are you being sarcastic?

no no, im not being sarcastic. im just saying, its my understanding that you must do at least 4iu on a 4day on 2 day off (varied) weekly cycle continuous to substantially cut. and i read you are doing 3iu a week. before Xtrlrg informed me i was doing bogus product i was doing 4iu on that cycle and wasnt trimming down much more than i would on general juice and diet. so 3iu just seemed a bit minuscule. its only my thought, and my knowledge on HGh is minimal. for sure dont take anything i say about HGH to heart because im no authority at all, with really no experience. so i was merely playfully throwing you a question/statement. but the reason i said under 25, loaded with natural GH and veggie diet is because on that kind of scenario im sure it wouldnt take much im sure anyhow.

[BignBig]

i did a short blast with prop and tren a recently, def the best results ive had so far, although i made the mistake of dropping straight down to my trt dose after and crashed alittle

Can you share whith us the dosage of HGH and the cycle details pls?

[BJJ]

8iu a day is not the minimum dose to see decent results. I'm sure many would agree.

I do

[Xtralarg]

the real ones have the full name and 8iu on the turquoise plastic cap? that name can fit on that little cap? all mine has on the caps is a pinwheel. now all i can do is stare at this little bottle.

good grief. a sincere thanks for ruining my day.

Yes that is correct and the name does all fit on, try google images and im sure you will find them.

Sorry to bring you this bad news.

[BJJ]

A few considerations:

1.
Since two days I started to ingest T3 @ 25 mcg along with T4 @ 150 mcg.
The daily tiredness has gone and in the morning I wake up with more energy.

2.
My wife suspended the ingestion of T4 @ 50 mcg daily just yesterday evening.
This morning she woke up without bloat.

[Xtralarg]

A few considerations:

1.
Since two days I started to ingest T3 @ 25 mcg along with T4 @ 150 mcg.
The daily tiredness has gone and in the morning I wake up with more energy.

2.My wife suspended the ingestion of T4 @ 50 mcg daily just yesterday evening.
This morning she woke up without bloat.

1. If that is the case then I suspect that you were either not having enough T4 or too much T4 as both hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism can make you feel tired.

2. People suffering from both hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism experience water retention problems, maybe your wife does not need 50mcg of T4 with 1.8iu's of rHGH or she may need more? Has she had her bloods done whilst taking this amount of rHGH?

[BJJ]

1. If that is the case then I suspect that you were either not having enough T4 or too much T4 as both hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism can make you feel tired.

2. People suffering from both hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism experience water retention problems, maybe your wife does not need 50mcg of T4 with 1.8iu's of rHGH or she may need more? Has she had her bloods done whilst taking this amount of rHGH?

Regarding my wife, she took the last T4 the evening before she got her first blood work.
I made her check either TSH, FT3, FT4 and IGF-1 and HGH.

In this way, we will know if the Somatrope is working and her thyroid levels to compare to those before starting the cycle.

In the mean while, she will keep running that amount of rHGH for a month without any thyroid support.

[Hazard]

Here's my thought of the HGH blasting protocol......

I've been doing 20iu's/day for 5 days and my stretch marks under my armpits and near my chest are all purple again. Now i'm not saying I grew exponentially from HGH as i'm also on 750mg's test but I do believe there is something to this. I definately feel waaaayyyyyy more full also.....

NS has the idea with 40iu's/day for 5 days..... the 20iu's I felt was beneficial but the 40iu's i'm sure would be much much better.

One thing I was thinking about..... If a blasting protocol does prove to be beneficial..... could it also be beneficial for someone who can't afford months and months of 8+iu/day HGH treatment? Could a 5 day 200iu blast (40iu/day) be beneficial? Would it be enough to cause hyperplasia? This way someone could purchase 200iu's instead of 1000iu's and actually see something from it or would there need to be a build up?

~Haz~

[SuperBird]

Yes that is correct and the name does all fit on, try google images and im sure you will find them.

Sorry to bring you this bad news.

well, live and learn. thats life.

[Hazard]

Here's a question i'd like some opinions on.....

If your cortisol levels are high in the morning..... would taking HGH at night keep the cortisol levels from raising in the 1st place?

I'm experiencing better effects taking my HGH around 12-2pm in the afternoon and again at 8pm.

~Haz~

[Xtralarg]

Here's a question i'd like some opinions on.....

If your cortisol levels are high in the morning..... would taking HGH at night keep the cortisol levels from raising in the 1st place?

I'm experiencing better effects taking my HGH around 12-2pm in the afternoon and again at 8pm.

~Haz~

I doubt it would help due to the short half life of rHGH. It's a good idea to have a shot early AM though when the levels are high.

What better effects are you experiencing?

[Hazard]

I doubt it would help due to the short half life of rHGH. It's a good idea to have a shot early AM though when the levels are high.

What better effects are you experiencing?

I'm waking up full and veiny..... my body feels refreshed but it does seem to be hindering my sleep a bit.

Once I switched to an 8pm 4iu shot..... all my sides came back. Mild cts tho.... nothing crippling.

~Haz~

[Xtralarg]

I'm waking up full and veiny..... my body feels refreshed but it does seem to be hindering my sleep a bit.

Once I switched to an 8pm 4iu shot..... all my sides came back. Mild cts tho.... nothing crippling.

~Haz~

Hindering your sleep....are you taking t4 at night?

Are you experiencing the CTS mainly at night?

[dec11]

Can you share whith us the dosage of HGH and the cycle details pls?

wasnt on hgh

250mg test e (trt)
350mg test prop
350mg tren a

9wks on prop, tren intro'd at wk 2.5

[boss4romdabay]

no no, im not being sarcastic. im just saying, its my understanding that you must do at least 4iu on a 4day on 2 day off (varied) weekly cycle continuous to substantially cut. and i read you are doing 3iu a week. before Xtrlrg informed me i was doing bogus product i was doing 4iu on that cycle and wasnt trimming down much more than i would on general juice and diet. so 3iu just seemed a bit minuscule. its only my thought, and my knowledge on HGh is minimal. for sure dont take anything i say about HGH to heart because im no authority at all, with really no experience. so i was merely playfully throwing you a question/statement. but the reason i said under 25, loaded with natural GH and veggie diet is because on that kind of scenario im sure it wouldnt take much im sure anyhow.

ok well if you would have read my complete post you would have read where i said i was only "3 weeks in at 3iu" if i could start higher i would, and im going 7 days a week

[Hazard]

Hindering your sleep....are you taking t4 at night?

Are you experiencing the CTS mainly at night?

No T4 yet..... ordering it in a couple weeks.

Also, the cts is all day long. At night it feels like my joints and muscles are tired. I become restless and feel like I can't relax..... I sleep for maybe 3 hours and then wake up. After 90mins of trying to sleep again, I do, but for another 2-3 hours. Yet I wake up feeling refreshed.....

The biggest thing so far is that my knees feel constantly tired..... and it feels like someone is squeezing my calves.....

~Haz~

[Xtralarg]

No T4 yet..... ordering it in a couple weeks.

Also, the cts is all day long. At night it feels like my joints and muscles are tired. I become restless and feel like I can't relax..... I sleep for maybe 3 hours and then wake up. After 90mins of trying to sleep again, I do, but for another 2-3 hours. Yet I wake up feeling refreshed.....

The biggest thing so far is that my knees feel constantly tired..... and it feels like someone is squeezing my calves.....

~Haz~

Well I can honestly say that i have never suffered like that whilst using gh. I sleep like a baby all night long! I have suffered with joint pain but not as bad as you by the sound of it. How many iu's are you on? Are you taking anything else?

[Hazard]

Well I can honestly say that i have never suffered like that whilst using gh. I sleep like a baby all night long! I have suffered with joint pain but not as bad as you by the sound of it. How many iu's are you on? Are you taking anything else?

This didn't start happening until I started taking PM shots.....

I just got done with a 20iu blast and went back to 8iu's yesterday. This is probably why I have the cts again but it's the chronic fatigue in my joints thats bothering me..... not so much pain.

I'll continue at 8iu's and stop PM shots and see if it gets better.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

BTW - i'm currently only on test right now.....

~Haz~

[marcus300]

No T4 yet..... ordering it in a couple weeks.

Also, the cts is all day long. At night it feels like my joints and muscles are tired. I become restless and feel like I can't relax..... I sleep for maybe 3 hours and then wake up. After 90mins of trying to sleep again, I do, but for another 2-3 hours. Yet I wake up feeling refreshed.....

The biggest thing so far is that my knees feel constantly tired..... and it feels like someone is squeezing my calves.....

~Haz~

How do you know what your taking, your taking unlabled vials of white powder from China.

Can you not get it tested to see what it contains?

[Reed]

freakin a. nice thread. pretty hefty doses of gh it seems. I'm jealous, wish I could even afford the shit.

Good luck will be following