HGH log for everyone!

**Matt** · 07-25-2010, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

I have to be honest with you here and tell you that I think that you have an anti diuretic hormone and I will explain why....

Over the years I have had gh many times, in the past i have used pharm grade and my body was transformed, I was tight and muscular and felt on top of the world. Earlier on in the year I started some from China and the results were nothing like I had experienced before, in fact they were exactly how you described yours and this is not how I react to proper gh. I went fvckin HUGE, im talking like 30lbs heavier, noting fitted nme cloths wise, like you I couldnt get my watch on and it just didnt feel right. I went to the docs and he took my BP....it was 160/100 with a pulse of 100!!!! I came off immediately and the BP went down within a week or so, not to what it was proir to starting my so called GH but never the less it is on its way down.

I have now started some different better quality gh and I am ot experiencng anu signs of this ridiculas bloat that is dangerous and very unhealthy.

What I am saying here is that I know how I react to gh and it is not like I did to the stuff I was taking, and I know cos ive had pharma grade.

If that bloat stays with you for as long as you take the gh then there is something very very wrong, they also sound far to extreme IMO.

This was one of the reasons i asked you yesterday about how long these sides last for because there has to be a point where i decide to stop using this gh..

Ive been on this gh for just over a month now so i have to decide when the right time is to stop, unless these sides go...

**Xtralarg** · 07-25-2010, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by 007

This was one of the reasons i asked you yesterday about how long these sides last for because there has to be a point where i decide to stop using this gh..

Ive been on this gh for just over a month now so i have to decide when the right time is to stop, unless these sides go...

If I were you I would stop now, I know that you won’t want to stop and that you probably don’t want to believe what I write but it’s all true.

IMO the sides you are experiencing are way too severe, I don’t know anyone who has used pharma grade that has experienced such severe sides.

Try to get a vial tested if you can.

Have you BP checked, I bet its through the roof.

**Sc0rch** · 07-25-2010, 01:06 PM

When your BP was 160/100 did you make sure the doctor used the large cuff?

My dermatologist took my BP with the standard size cuff and it was around 170/110. After using the large cuff it went down to 140/80.

Make sure they use the correct size cuff.

**Xtralarg** · 07-25-2010, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Sc0rch

When your BP was 160/100 did you make sure the doctor used the large cuff?

My dermatologist took my BP with the standard size cuff and it was around 170/110. After using the large cuff it went down to 140/80.

Make sure they use the correct size cuff.

Only the large cuff will fit around my arm

I had it taken on about 8 different occasions at the doctors, at home and at the hospital after the first one was so high.

**Sc0rch** · 07-25-2010, 01:14 PM

Oh ok. A lot of people aren't aware of that so just checking.

I used to average 130-145/70-90 but GH has made my BP come down a little. Monitor it at home all the time.

**Matt** · 07-25-2010, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

If I were you I would stop now, I know that you won’t want to stop and that you probably don’t want to believe what I write but it’s all true.

IMO the sides you are experiencing are way too severe, I don’t know anyone who has used pharma grade that has experienced such severe sides.

Try to get a vial tested if you can.

Have you BP checked, I bet its through the roof.

You are correct im not going to stop, not until ive given it enough time to be sure. Remember even if i took pharma gh it is still possible to have the same sides, sides are more dependent on the idividual..

Im not sure that what i have is an anti diuretic, im sure an anti diuretic is used to control the balance of water in ones body and reduce the amount of time spent urinating, im pissing for England at the moment...

If i had the money i would have it tested tomorrow and do exactly what you say mate, and im sure the people making this stuff know that. I wouldnt be surprised if they think no one will ever test it, however i will save one vial and have it tested in a few months...

**Xtralarg** · 07-25-2010, 01:22 PM

If you cant get it tested then why dont you but some pharm grade?

If you come off yours and then hit the pharm grade you will notice a huge difference IMO.

**Matt** · 07-25-2010, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

If you cant get it tested then why dont you but some pharm grade?

If you come off yours and then hit the pharm grade you will notice a huge difference IMO.

This is it, if i could afford the pharma gh then i could afford to test my gh..

I will in future always buy pharma...

**Xtralarg** · 07-25-2010, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by 007

This is it, if i could afford the pharma gh then i could afford to test my gh..

I will in future always buy pharma...

Well i wish you all the best with your gh mate.

Have you found a lab that will test it?

**Xtralarg** · 07-26-2010, 04:52 AM

I have been speaking with Jin and they told me this

You can chose between Jintropin and Hypertropin. Both come at the same price per kit. Jintropin is 33mg per (100IU kit) while Hypertropin is 40mg per (100IU kit – technically 120IU even though it's marked 100IU)

Thoughts anyone?

**marcus300** · 07-26-2010, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by 007

You are correct im not going to stop, not until ive given it enough time to be sure. Remember even if i took pharma gh it is still possible to have the same sides, sides are more dependent on the idividual..

Im not sure that what i have is an anti diuretic, im sure an anti diuretic is used to control the balance of water in ones body and reduce the amount of time spent urinating, im pissing for England at the moment...

If i had the money i would have it tested tomorrow and do exactly what you say mate, and im sure the people making this stuff know that. I wouldnt be surprised if they think no one will ever test it, however i will save one vial and have it tested in a few months...

You need to buy some Pharm grade, then you will know exactly how you should be reacting. Ive had similar sides when using Chinese shit tops and its nothing like Pharm grade.

**turk1968** · 07-26-2010, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

And your point is?

My point is : i am 48 and competed in my twenties using pharma grade hgh and aas bought out of a chemist overseas.
The difference between gear then and now, both aas and hgh i think is huge. 1000mg of sustanon then ( 1 amp per box with leaflet shrink wrapped 10 boxes together) and 1000mg of ug sust now doesnt compare in my mind.
Maybe its the ug lab underdosing the product or maybe its the quality of the raw powder being used or maybe its both!.
Ive used hgh now for about 4 - 5 years (ansomone/blues/greens up to 70ius per week ) and i seem to need less sleep when taking it, feel a bit more youthful and energetic but as far as changes in body composition its nothing compared to when i was in my late twenties using pharma grade. I know im older now but even so !!!

So my point is from my experiences this time round " I would question anything that China produces and exports to us !!!! "

**BJJ** · 07-26-2010, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by turk1968

My point is : i am 48 and competed in my twenties using pharma grade hgh and aas bought out of a chemist overseas.
The difference between gear then and now, both aas and hgh i think is huge. 1000mg of sustanon then ( 1 amp per box with leaflet shrink wrapped 10 boxes together) and 1000mg of ug sust now doesnt compare in my mind.
Maybe its the ug lab underdosing the product or maybe its the quality of the raw powder being used or maybe its both!.
Ive used hgh now for about 4 - 5 years (ansomone/blues/greens up to 70ius per week ) and i seem to need less sleep when taking it, feel a bit more youthful and energetic but as far as changes in body composition its nothing compared to when i was in my late twenties using pharma grade. I know im older now but even so !!!

So my point is from my experiences this time round " I would question anything that China produces and exports to us !!!! "

I do understand what you mean but I also believe it is not wise to compare your organism when you were 20 and using pharma grade.

You should use pharma grade now and compare...

**turk1968** · 07-26-2010, 09:41 AM

It was alot easier then , i just flew out on holiday placed an order at the chemist ,went back paid the bill and flew home with it in my hand luggage.

Yes i know im an old fart but the gear seemed alot stronger then. Pharma is the way to go for me i think as far as hgh so i can see for myself but i still have doubts about alot of the aas that is around as far as quality.

Maybe its time we tested some of the well known ug labs for quality aswell?

**Big_Bully1** · 07-26-2010, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

I have done some research on this for you and my findings are 'adverse reactions to intravenous, intramuscular or subcutaneous injection of 0.9% benzyl alcohol are not known to occur in man'

I can only assume that:

1. You are injecting 192aa and this is causing the reaction.
2. You are injecting an unknown substance that is causing this adverse reaction

If you know other people who have had great gains from the same substance and they know what they are talking about then all I can assume is that you have 192aa rHGH and this IS known to cause red welts and sore injection sites in some people. I have used 192aa myself and experienced a very similar reaction.

Either way I would advise you to stop injecting it as it is obviously not suiting you.

I hope this helps you.

Hey xtra I have used the saline solution (sterile) and It feels alot better, still have alittle bump but the redness didn't appear. I have always felt great while on it without any horrible sides, except for the itching and red spot.

As far as the clen /t3 combo, do you have any reccomendations on where to get it and also what do you think of IGF-1? ...

thanks for your help cuzzo

**BJJ** · 07-26-2010, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Bully1

Hey xtra I have used the saline solution (sterile) and It feels alot better, still have alittle bump but the redness didn't appear. I have always felt great while on it without any horrible sides, except for the itching and red spot.

As far as the clen /t3 combo, do you have any reccomendations on where to get it and also what do you think of IGF-1? ...

thanks for your help cuzzo

cuzzo?

are you italian?

**Xtralarg** · 07-26-2010, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Bully1

Hey xtra I have used the saline solution (sterile) and It feels alot better, still have alittle bump but the redness didn't appear. I have always felt great while on it without any horrible sides, except for the itching and red spot.

As far as the clen /t3 combo, do you have any reccomendations on where to get it and also what do you think of IGF-1? ...

thanks for your help cuzzo

Well thats good, at least it is a little better.

You can get your clen and T3 from Ar-r . <----Click on link

I dont use IGF-1.

**Big_Bully1** · 07-26-2010, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

Well thats good, at least it is a little better.

You can get your clen and T3 from Ar-r . <----Click on link

I dont use IGF-1.

Thx cuz ... Do you recommend me keep injecting the gh even with the little bump or just cut ties with it all together?

I feel ok so I guess its not really hurting me but then again is it really benefiting me in any way either. Its like a double edged sword HA WTF

**Xtralarg** · 07-26-2010, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Bully1

Thx cuz ... Do you recommend me keep injecting the gh even with the little bump or just cut ties with it all together?

I feel ok so I guess its not really hurting me but then again is it really benefiting me in any way either. Its like a double edged sword HA WTF

Are you taking 192aa gh?

**Spartans09** · 07-26-2010, 01:39 PM

Here are my blood test results that just came in.

IGF-1 Insulin -Like Growth Factor 1, 661 flagged as high, reference range 109-284

I have been taking generic chineese for 5 weeks as my first run with gh. Started at 1.5 IU and up to 2.25 IU in the am Sub-Q. I took 4 IU about 45 minutes before my blood was pulled.

Thoughts?

**BJJ** · 07-26-2010, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Spartans09

Here are my blood test results that just came in.

IGF-1 Insulin -Like Growth Factor 1, 661 flagged as high, reference range 109-284

I have been taking generic chineese for 5 weeks as my first run with gh. Started at 1.5 IU and up to 2.25 IU in the am Sub-Q. I took 4 IU about 45 minutes before my blood was pulled.

Thoughts?

That is not high lol, but out of range. That lab flag is weird...

Anyway, it is an increase over 100% on the highest value range.

Not bad at all, at least if compared to my results.

What are your stats?
What is the measuring unit of the IGF-1 range?

**Spartans09** · 07-26-2010, 01:58 PM

39 years old
5'11'' 206 14%BF

The measuring units are ng/ml.

**BJJ** · 07-26-2010, 02:12 PM

Could you check if the method was "Immunometric"?

I see no relation between our values actually.

How could we have different ranges if the method is the same? I hope it is not otherwise I will be confused indeed.

My ranges are:
26-40 yo: 119-494 ng/ml 520

Yours:
?-? yo: 109-284 ng/ml 661

**Spartans09** · 07-26-2010, 02:27 PM

BJJ- I called the lab and they said the method is "immunochemiluminometric" (that is a mouthfull). I assume that is the same as your method?
She also said that even though we may have the same age range and units of measure, the referance range is directly tied to your specific age. This may explain the difference.

**BJJ** · 07-26-2010, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Spartans09

BJJ- I called the lab and they said the method is "immunochemiluminometric" (that is a mouthfull). I assume that is the same as your method?
She also said that even though we may have the same age range and units of measure, the referance range is directly tied to your specific age. This may explain the difference.

Thanks for caring about this.

So, if I understood correctly, the differences reside on the fact I am 36 and you 39?

**Spartans09** · 07-26-2010, 03:24 PM

Yes. That is how they explained it to me.

**Big_Bully1** · 07-26-2010, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

Are you taking 192aa gh?

I'm gonna tell you the truth I have no idea if it is 192aa or not. My boy told me it was generic yellow top. Everybody else who uses it that I know have seen results, I am only in my 3 week so I really wont see anything for awhile, but I feel good.

**Big_Bully1** · 07-26-2010, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

You need to buy some Pharm grade, then you will know exactly how you should be reacting. Ive had similar sides when using Chinese shit tops and its nothing like Pharm grade.

I have the chineese shit tops now and I was wondering how I could get my ands on some pharm grade? I am 27 y/o ... 5'11... 240lbs ....

**Xtralarg** · 07-26-2010, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Bully1

I'm gonna tell you the truth I have no idea if it is 192aa or not. My boy told me it was generic yellow top. Everybody else who uses it that I know have seen results, I am only in my 3 week so I really wont see anything for awhile, but I feel good.

It's just with you having this reaction at the injection site and others having good results, makes me think it could be 192aa.

**Big_Bully1** · 07-26-2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

It's just with you having this reaction at the injection site and others having good results, makes me think it could be 192aa.

Yea I hear ya ... Is 192aa bad? ... sorry I don't kno much info about it ... I thought it was all the same HA

**Xtralarg** · 07-26-2010, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Bully1

Yea I hear ya ... Is 192aa bad? ... sorry I don't kno much info about it ... I thought it was all the same HA

I will let you do some digging and make your own mind up.

**BignBig** · 07-27-2010, 12:56 AM

After some extensive research, I decided to do my blast this way
5IU EOD - 1st week.
10IU EOD - 2nd week.
20IU EOD - 3rd week.
30-35IU EOD - 4th week.
Stop for a month. Suggested by 123cctv in another forum

I’ve been in 8iu for 3 months now, see good results so far.
Because I’m already in 8iu my version of the blast is as follow:
10IU EOD – 1st week
15IU EOD – 2nd week
25IU EOD – 3rd week
35IU EOD – 4th week
I’ll keep you guys updated

**Xtralarg** · 07-27-2010, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by BignBig

After some extensive research, I decided to do my blast this way
5IU EOD - 1st week.
10IU EOD - 2nd week.
20IU EOD - 3rd week.
30-35IU EOD - 4th week.
Stop for a month. Suggested by 123cctv in another forum

I’ve been in 8iu for 3 months now, see good results so far.
Because I’m already in 8iu my version of the blast is as follow:
10IU EOD – 1st week
15IU EOD – 2nd week
25IU EOD – 3rd week
35IU EOD – 4th week
I’ll keep you guys updated

What results have you seen so far?

What sides did you have and how long for?

Do you still have any sides?

What sort of gh are you using?

**BJJ** · 07-27-2010, 01:58 AM

Tried Somatrope for the first time but saw no much of a difference compared to Hyge.tropin, except for a strong burning feeling on the injection spot.

Awaiting wife's blood work results on that drug.

Also, all of my bloating is gone by now.

**Xtralarg** · 07-27-2010, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

Tried Somatrope for the first time but saw no much of a difference compared to Hyge.tropin, except for a strong burning feeling on the injection spot.

Awaiting wife's blood work results on that drug.

Also, all of my bloating is gone by now.

How many days did you take the Somatrope for and at what dose?

What do you conclude from all of your sides going away?

**BJJ** · 07-27-2010, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

How many days did you take the Somatrope for and at what dose?

What do you conclude from all of your sides going away?

Three days @ 10 iu ed.

I conclude it is a good sign therefore, even thoug probably underdosed, Hyge.tropin among the whole Chinese offer is a working drug.

**Xtralarg** · 07-27-2010, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

Three days @ 10 iu ed.

I conclude it is a good sign therefore, even thoug probably underdosed, Hyge.tropin among the whole Chinese offer is a working drug.

I have reached a similar conclusion, I estimate that hyge is approx 30-40% of stated dose, what ammount do you think?

**BJJ** · 07-27-2010, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

I have reached a similar conclusion, I estimate that hyge is approx 30-40% of stated dose, what ammount do you think?

I do not feel to be able to write down a percentage since my experience is too little.

But I do take into account your numbers for future references.

**Xtralarg** · 07-27-2010, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

I do not feel to be able to write down a percentage since my experience is too little.

But I do take into account your numbers for future references.

Ok but you do think it is underdosed, so if you had to take a guess what would you say? Just your rough estimation...

**BJJ** · 07-27-2010, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

Ok but you do think it is underdosed, so if you had to take a guess what would you say? Just your rough estimation...

To make a rough estimation I need to take into account the best rHGH used so far and compare it to Hyge.tropin.

When I started my test susp cycle I wanted to stack somatropin as soon as possible and so by the middle of the cycle I ordered EuroHormones rHGH from my source. The problem is the vials took 2 months to arrive and they were not refrigerated so I believe the effectiveness of the powder was compromised by the time I got them.

In spite of this, when I started to inject 2.5 iu daily I felt the day after so many befenits I could not believe it and I needed to report it on my thread for future references. In just a week I was getting leaner and without the use of T4, which I started to use more than a month later with another brand.

So, with that being said necessary to make you understand why I reached the following conclusion, if I would cut 30-40% (your estimate) from the 8 iu of Hyge injected daily, I could reach 5.6-4.8 iu effectiveness.
Well, that amount never made feel any better not even equal to what I felt with EuroHormones.

My conclusion is, they are underdosed even a bit more than that.