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    Well just read through this as I'm keen on starting a cycle people on here have been helping me with different things like diet,BF%,Training and so on and this just put everything in perspective I have a long way to go before doing my first cycle so on that note thanks for this and it was very interesting 👍🏻

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    Wow nice one. A lot of good info resumed and easy to understand. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by uready
    Tell me why you need to run Hcg during your cycle... And tell me how dex is better than arimosan. dex blocks the sides. as soon as youre off dex, the sides hit you. arimosan is a suicide. it kills the sides and doesnt allow them to bind.
    Learn to spell correctly AI's. It's Aromasin not arimosan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uready View Post
    Tell me why you need to run Hcg during your cycle...

    And tell me how dex is better than arimosan. dex blocks the sides. as soon as youre off dex, the sides hit you. arimosan is a suicide. it kills the sides and doesnt allow them to bind.
    I can't speak on the aromasin question. I have read a lot that says it is better to run, but not for the reasons you explained. I'm pretty sure that's not how it works, that these sides will just pop back up, especially if you're running SERMS for PCT like is suggested. But here is an article to read about HCG. From what I've been told, HCG keeps your natural test from shutting down, so when you are trying to turn it back on during pct, it happens that much easier because you never actually shut it down. Which ultimately means faster recovery and keeping more of your hard earned gains from the cycle. Plus, it is actually suppressive so you wouldn't want to take it after cycle.
    HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

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    Quote Originally Posted by uready View Post
    Tell me why you need to run Hcg during your cycle...

    And tell me how dex is better than arimosan. dex blocks the sides. as soon as youre off dex, the sides hit you. arimosan is a suicide. it kills the sides and doesnt allow them to bind.

    Obviously you did not comprehend anything you've read here. Read slower or if you can't understand it have someone read it to you. The old school Power PCT (Scally) which I assume you are referring to has evolved. It's simply idiotic to allow yourself to be shut down when you don't have to. If you cannot understand that concept then no one here can help you.

    When it comes to AI's it's personal choice. If you have issues with dex maybe you're doing it wrong?
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    just wanna say, it helps me a lot,thanks for taking time,many people will benefits from it.

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    Why here it says to use hcg week 1-12 in 12 weeks test cycle and AI 1-14? HCG should not run until week 14? Why stop at week 12 when the test is still in the body?

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    Would it be okay to run the HCG at 400/week? Over 12 weeks that would be 4800 IU's compared to 6000 IU's stays within one 5000iu ampule rather than two

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    Great information austinite
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    Awesome post thank you!

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    I'm new here but this is the best post I've read yet.

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    Thanks for the great information. You didn't mention anything about it in the post, but I'm still going to ask about it.

    Some people reccomend an AI during pct incase their estrogen increases, would it be necessery to use it?

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    Great to see you are on the best site there is and if you have any questions there are a lot of people here that will help you out, I am new myself about 4 months and I still am trying to learn how to post a thread, so if anyone see's this get in touch with me also please

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereForTheGains View Post
    Thanks for the great information. You didn't mention anything about it in the post, but I'm still going to ask about it.

    Some people reccomend an AI during pct incase their estrogen increases, would it be necessery to use it?
    No need for AI during PCT. PCT drugs do the job of adjusting your E2 levels.
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    I have read so many times that too much Arimidex can lower your estrogen too much, resulting in side effects from low estrogen.

    But how is this possible? I thought Arimidex only blocked the conversion from testosterone to esteogen. You would still have your natural estrogen levels even if you took too much Arimidex, and I suppose your natural estrogen levels are high enough?

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    I've learned so much from reading this...Thank you so much...I'm going to do more research..I've never cycled before...really want to though. Are these mail order places legit or what?

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    What an awesome read! I went through as much info on this site as I could getting ready for my first cycle. The beginners cycle doesn't mention hcg , im glad I read this! This thread should definately replace the beginner cycle link! Luckily I haven't started and now I'm waiting on the hcg. Is there a way to lessen the amount of water you hold? My goal is simple, I'd like to lose fat, gain a modest amount of size and definition, and not make it obvious I'm using steroids . Any other advice anyone can offer? I'm 6'1" 193 15% bf. I've been trying to keep my caloric intake just under 2500. I have read that lowering your carb intake by replacing carb calories with protein calories is a good way to lessen water mass, shed more fat, and and promote more lean muscle mass. Any truth to this? Depending on how i handle this cycle, I'll be moving on the novice cutting cycle. Thanks for any input guys/gals, can't wait to hear from ya!

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    Austinite - that was some awesome reading. I did do research and have friends with their input but no one has ever helped me understand the blood work, & pct as well as you just did. I wish I would have seen this 6 months ago. I was getting ready to start my 2nd cycle but I am going to wait and read up on board sponsors and go get my blood work done tomorrow no that I know what I am looking for. Thank you and I agree with all this should be mandatory before they even let you on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beastmode420 View Post
    I've learned so much from reading this...Thank you so much...I'm going to do more research..I've never cycled before...really want to though. Are these mail order places legit or what?
    Can't speak for mail order places. Sorry. No idea. I don't do source checks and I don't buy UGL. I use prescriptions only. Welcome aboard!

    Quote Originally Posted by RadDad357 View Post
    What an awesome read! I went through as much info on this site as I could getting ready for my first cycle. Thebeginners cycle doesn't mention hcg, im glad I read this! This thread should definately replace the beginner cycle link! Luckily I haven't started and now I'm waiting on the hcg. Is there a way to lessen the amount of water you hold? My goal is simple, I'd like to lose fat, gain a modest amount of size and definition, and not make it obvious I'm using steroids. Any other advice anyone can offer? I'm 6'1" 193 15% bf. I've been trying to keep my caloric intake just under 2500. I have read that lowering your carb intake by replacing carb calories with protein calories is a good way to lessen water mass, shed more fat, and and promote more lean muscle mass. Any truth to this? Depending on how i handle this cycle, I'll be moving on the novice cutting cycle. Thanks for any input guys/gals, can't wait to hear from ya!
    Your diet is the greatest water-retention controller. Don't eat processed foods and lower your sodium intake. Focus on sodium. Welcome to the forums!

    Quote Originally Posted by tnt337 View Post
    Austinite - that was some awesome reading. I did do research and have friends with their input but no one has ever helped me understand the blood work, & pct as well as you just did. I wish I would have seen this 6 months ago. I was getting ready to start my 2nd cycle but I am going to wait and read up on board sponsors and go get my blood work done tomorrow no that I know what I am looking for. Thank you and I agree with all this should be mandatory before they even let you on this site.
    tnt, thanks for reading. I'm glad you are on board. Stick around and ask as many questions as you'd like. You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders and for that reason, you will succeed. Research is key.
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    I have to say this place is unbelievably wealthy in information that you really can't find anywhere else! I'm not sure there is a database this developed anywhere in the world wide web. It's unreal..
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    Thanks for the kind words, Splifton. Nice to have good folks like you on board.
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    Austinite (which I am also) I am getting ready to start my 2nd cycle waiting on blood work to come back. My first cycle I did no blood work. started at Test E 500mg a week then the last two weeks I upped it to 750mg a week. Other than an emotional wreck (which I thought was due to I was working 100 + hrs a week but that is nothing new in what I do) at the end I did not notice any sides. I ended up with awesome results with cutting being my biggest goal. I intend to add Tren A this time around. Do you have any suggestions. I am going to take your advise on Arimidex and PCT but is there anything else I should be concerned with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnt337 View Post
    Austinite (which I am also) I am getting ready to start my 2nd cycle waiting on blood work to come back. My first cycle I did no blood work. started at Test E 500mg a week then the last two weeks I upped it to 750mg a week. Other than an emotional wreck (which I thought was due to I was working 100 + hrs a week but that is nothing new in what I do) at the end I did not notice any sides. I ended up with awesome results with cutting being my biggest goal. I intend to add Tren A this time around. Do you have any suggestions. I am going to take your advise on Arimidex and PCT but is there anything else I should be concerned with?
    I can't really comment on Tren . Not for me. I would start a thread and let the Tren pro's respond.
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    Just wanted to thank you austinite for the thread and for answering people's questions. I just went through the whole thing and will be doing my first cycle following your recommendations in February 2016.

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    Thanks for the kind words, Gentlemen.
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    Amazing write up austinite.

    I only wish I saw this before my last cycle as I still used an AI on my PCT, well I know for next time

    Many thanks

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    Great job Austine ! Thank you

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    Hi Austintine, great thread I have found it very helpful.

    I am about to start my Test-E cycle but have a few questions.

    Can you explain the need for an AI during the entire cycle? My source claims it is only needed if estrogen becomes an issue or if cutting.

    Also is HCG necessary?

    Thanks in advance

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    Austinite, thanks again for all the info. I searched but could not find the answer to my question.

    FAQ says: "What if I develop Gynecomastia ? -- Best gyno reversal compound is Raloxifene. Dose at 60 mg daily until gone. Have it on hand if you're worried."

    I'm worried. How much should I have on hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rd070707 View Post
    Hi Austintine, great thread I have found it very helpful.

    I am about to start my Test-E cycle but have a few questions.

    Can you explain the need for an AI during the entire cycle? My source claims it is only needed if estrogen becomes an issue or if cutting.

    Also is HCG necessary?

    Thanks in advance
    With the AI think about it this way... Do you wait until you're dehydrated to drink water, or do you just drink water all the time so you don't become dehydrated? Same applies with the AI. By taking them accordingly (ED or EOD, depending which AI) you combat the sides 'preventatively'.

    HCG isn't "necessary" however, it is highly recommended. It helps keep the testies from fully turning off and prevents atrophy. Makes a better recovery when you come off cycle. There's also much more than that, that's just simple terms.
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    Austinite,
    Man what a great post....Here is my deal, I am 48, with relatively low T, I am sorry I don't have my numbers, I was prescribed Androgel and it did nothing and my doc would not bump the dosage. He said it brought me up to normal/low numbers.
    My plan is to do a T Cyp 500mg per week and a Deca 300mg per week. I have my gear, but I am having an issue sourcing the Arimidex .
    The question is, at my age, with my low T situation, how at risk am I running this cycle with no AI?
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    Austinite, great post, I have been doing research on my own for about a year now and decided this post provided the most factual based information and straight forward recommendations from what appears to be a well informed source. (indeed, it helped me decide to pull the trigger on my first cycle). I appreciate what you have done to help others, its nice to see in this day and age. Also, the responses from Kelkel and the questions from the members are invaluable information. This is my first post so I will try to keep it brief, but won't happen.

    48, 5'10, 175 lbs, 17.8 percent BF according to hand held device. Used to be a marathon runner but had a knee injury a few years ago and cannot run much anymore but am still no stranger to cardio-respiratory endurance and exercise. I started anaerobic resistance training about 2 years ago and hit a peak, love the way the body looks but want just a little more so as I stated above, I hit the gear with much fear. Hey that rhymed, whatever.

    Started 400mg T-Cyp three weeks ago. 200mg IM 2X per week. Pharm grade
    Arimidex .5 PO 3X weekly
    HCG 500iu subq 2X weekly

    Pre cycle BW showed test at 597ng/dl and free was 10.2. Hematocrit 46.8, Triglycerides 132,VLDL 30, LDL 100, HDL 33 and Total 125. AST 24, ALT 28, E-2 non sensitive 15.2 (I know, doc ordered it, I talked him into assay E-2 this time.) PSA .6

    I'm in a position to afford having blood work done every two weeks which I will do and indeed did last week. Here are my troubles and am looking for suggestions to avoid freaking out and abandoning my desires.
    so, two weeks in (4 shots total) Total T is >1500 (of course), Free is 58.9!! worthless E-2 is 11.2. (E-2 sensitive is pending). Here is what concerns me PSA up to .7, HDL down to 28, Triglycerides up to 167, total up to 179, AST is up to30 and ALT is up to 34. Also BP is wwwwaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy up for me. Im usually 107/68 area now 138/86.

    Question is, are these increases (25%) in some cases normal? I don't like the liver reacting the way it is, (it appears to be pissed off, lol) and at my age a rise in PSA is not cool.

    Any questions, comments, advice would be much appreciated. Thank you kindly. BTW, diet is clean except once a week. BF% up because I had to stop running a while back and blew up like a balloon, used to be 12% man, getting old is fun!

    I don't take the NAC. Eat clean, drink water like its going out of style (old habit from marathoning).

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    One more thing. Supplement with CoQ10 100mg PO daily, Flax Oil PO TiD, 5000iu D-3 PO q1d and Salmon is my favorite breakfast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkjamest View Post
    so, two weeks in (4 shots total) Total T is >1500 (of course), Free is 58.9!! worthless E-2 is 11.2. (E-2 sensitive is pending). Here is what concerns me PSA up to .7, HDL down to 28, Triglycerides up to 167, total up to 179, AST is up to30 and ALT is up to 34. Also BP is wwwwaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy up for me. Im usually 107/68 area now 138/86.

    Question is, are these increases (25%) in some cases normal? I don't like the liver reacting the way it is, (it appears to be pissed off, lol) and at my age a rise in PSA is not cool.

    I don't take the NAC. Eat clean, drink water like its going out of style (old habit from marathoning).
    Your sensitive E2 will probably be coming back low if the number posted is standard estradiol. Adex dose will need to be dialed back or you'll feel the effects soon. PSA rise from .6 to .7 is nothing. Nothing. Simply ejaculating can/will spike it for a couple days. Test will always suppress your HDL a bit. It's common even for TRT'ers. Start taking a good quality Fish Oil for your Triglycerides. Total chol is still in range. Remember, your body is being hit with a lot and going through changes. It will settle down.

    Your liver values are great. You can't expect nothing to happen when your putting extra stress on it. Remember, simply working out will raise liver values for up to 10 days. I'd pay to have your liver values. BP rising a little is normal as well. Keep an eye on it though. Consider arginine to help with your BP. Watch this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wnmk3whIOc

    Or, low dose daily Cialis at 5 - 10 mgs.

    Oh, take NAC.


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    Kelkel, thank you for the quick response I very much appreciate it. Okay, I will cut back the Adex and start dropping in some arginine (here come the cold sores, lol)....

    Unfortunately I have a shelfish allergy and cannot take the fish oils or believe me I would be popping them open and drinking them. Hence the Salmon every morning. I will see if I can actually find a fish oil that is safe for allergies. Great video BTW.

    I have Cialis and have taken it to lower the BP but don't do it too often as that mixed with this high free T level causes some serious non ED problems!!! But hey, I guess I should be so lucky huh? Thanks for the advice and thanks for the advice you have given to many others, it is valued very much by many I am sure.

    And I will throw in the NAC, thanks again and I will keep you posted on the next BW.

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    Wow, the NAC is awesome stuff. Seems to help the liver "feel better" if there is such a thing. L-Argenine helping with BP also, counteract its affects on cold sores with Lyseine (that tends to raise lipids but that is better than having people talk to a gigantic cold sore on my face!!).

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    BTW, awesome stuff Kelkel, I once again appreciate it.

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    Kirk have your doc write you a script for Valacyclovir for your cold sores. Nothing better. Stress, sun, virus, etc can cause them and there's no need to suffer days of the consequences when med's such as this are available. Not something you need daily, just when an outbreak occurs. If you have an abnormally stressful day take one at bedtime as a preventative.
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