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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    no i dont. like i said yesterday i really think it was our setups rushing through the testing etc see below and also remember it was only a mimi peak.

    warmup
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    2x40 2-3mins
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    yea with more time and a better warm up he would have been faster. if he had short choppy steps then possibly he was tight in his hips and not striding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    yea with more time and a better warm up he would have been faster. if he had short choppy steps then possibly he was tight in his hips and not striding.

    yeh but this guy is short like my bro so really how much can i tell him bout stride length? i know praisi speed teach there combine guys to hit 10 in 6 or less strides thats not good bc everyone stride length is diff u know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    yeh but this guy is short like my bro so really how much can i tell him bout stride length? i know praisi speed teach there combine guys to hit 10 in 6 or less strides thats not good bc everyone stride length is diff u know?
    yea very true. it is hard to change someones form esp a stride length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    yea very true. it is hard to change someones form esp a stride length.
    another tip from my friend he just sent to me bout peaking them:

    I would not unload speed in week 8. Certainly keep the intensity. You may drop the volume _slightly_.

    For week 9, Monday will be your last full speed day. Make it very high quality, lots of rest between runs and do about 75% volume compared to your normal workout.

    Assuming the combine is on Saturday, I would try to get in a heavy bench workout on wednesday. Go up to 95% of your max, but only 2 or 3 sets of 2 reps. This will help keep your nervous system fired up.

    Thursday, warm up and cool down if you have a chance. Get a good night sleep. Friday try to relax. Saturday perform!
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    yea i hear ya. how tall is this dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    yea i hear ya. how tall is this dude
    5'7-5'8, client just came up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    5'7-5'8, client just came up.
    def at a disadvantage

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    def at a disadvantage
    did you get this message:

    another tip from my friend he just sent to me bout peaking them:

    I would not unload speed in week 8. Certainly keep the intensity. You may drop the volume _slightly_.

    For week 9, Monday will be your last full speed day. Make it very high quality, lots of rest between runs and do about 75% volume compared to your normal workout.

    Assuming the combine is on Saturday, I would try to get in a heavy bench workout on wednesday. Go up to 95% of your max, but only 2 or 3 sets of 2 reps. This will help keep your nervous system fired up.

    Thursday, warm up and cool down if you have a chance. Get a good night sleep. Friday try to relax. Saturday perform!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    did you get this message:

    another tip from my friend he just sent to me bout peaking them:

    I would not unload speed in week 8. Certainly keep the intensity. You may drop the volume _slightly_.

    For week 9, Monday will be your last full speed day. Make it very high quality, lots of rest between runs and do about 75% volume compared to your normal workout.

    Assuming the combine is on Saturday, I would try to get in a heavy bench workout on wednesday. Go up to 95% of your max, but only 2 or 3 sets of 2 reps. This will help keep your nervous system fired up.

    Thursday, warm up and cool down if you have a chance. Get a good night sleep. Friday try to relax. Saturday perform!
    damn thats some good info right there. personally i know my body and a workout wed i still would be sore so i may do mine wed and combine is sunday. great info buckeye

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    damn thats some good info right there. personally i know my body and a workout wed i still would be sore so i may do mine wed and combine is sunday. great info buckeye
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    bro trust me you wouldnt be sore its only 2x2x90-95% with 5min rest btw sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
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    bro trust me you wouldnt be sore its only 2x2x90-95% with 5min rest btw sets.
    so no aux lifts then? just bench?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    so no aux lifts then? just bench?

    yep no aux, u r just trying to keep system sharp and ready to explode

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    true. that will be thurs then for me

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    was today a speed day

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    was today a speed day
    yea i was supposed to do SS today. i had some things not go my way as far as weather and some other things that i have no control over so i am going to do the plyos on friday after speed training.

    tommorow i am gonna do my SS with upper body reps.

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    i talk to usc strength coach today and he said he teach his guys to be upright at about 12-15yds what u think about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    i talk to usc strength coach today and he said he teach his guys to be upright at about 12-15yds what u think about that.
    as in comparence to what? what do u teach? usually i am leaning forward until about 12 yards and then i start to straighten out and knees get higher and higher and stride out. i think it sounds right in comparence to what i do. but who says i am right. it just works for me i guess.

    it does give ya time to lean forward and stay low long. then you explode the head up and begin to straighten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    as in comparence to what? what do u teach? usually i am leaning forward until about 12 yards and then i start to straighten out and knees get higher and higher and stride out. i think it sounds right in comparence to what i do. but who says i am right. it just works for me i guess.

    it does give ya time to lean forward and stay low long. then you explode the head up and begin to straighten.

    myself whenever i run my 40 i drive out to about 30-35yd, maybe bc i am also a track guy and most of the track guys at the combine did it the same, he also said bush could have ran faster if he didnt drive out that long. so in saying that i teach most of my guys to drive out as long as possible the stronger you are the easiest it is.

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    yea i just think its my lack of training the way you do. so i should try to stay low longer and keep the lean forward longer? do you think this will have a negative effect on me bc of my running style as i posted above.

    i am a straight up and down runner with my knees high. almost similar to huff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    yea i just think its my lack of training the way you do. so i should try to stay low longer and keep the lean forward longer? do you think this will have a negative effect on me bc of my running style as i posted above.

    i am a straight up and down runner with my knees high. almost similar to huff.

    no not at all, i think you will be ok. i was always taught in track to drive out long you see those world class guys driving out long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    no not at all, i think you will be ok. i was always taught in track to drive out long you see those world class guys driving out long.
    true.

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    hey jjeb all times posted were done in nike frees;

    10x10 3xlying/3xfall/4x3point (1.62/1.53/1.34/1.53)

    4x20(2.72/2.75/2.50/2.50)

    5x30(3.72/3.72/3.72/3.69/3.79-stumble)

    we had him practice diff stances to see which one work close stance and far stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    hey jjeb all times posted were done in nike frees;

    10x10 3xlying/3xfall/4x3point (1.62/1.53/1.34/1.53)

    4x20(2.72/2.75/2.50/2.50)

    5x30(3.72/3.72/3.72/3.69/3.79-stumble)

    we had him practice diff stances to see which one work for close stance and far stance.
    wouldnt u say his times are high? the starts are good. the 30s seem high tho. what you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    wouldnt u say his times are high? the starts are good. the 30s seem high tho. what you think?

    to be real with you i really dont know what a good 30 is?? also remember he tested speed on mon and also did the below power program: IM NOT TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM BY NO MEANS!!

    pogo jumps 2x20/30
    vertical jumps 90sec 5x7
    depth jumps 90sec 5x8
    rhy jump squats 120sec 5x7x17
    power snatch 150sec 5x4x82-92
    full back squat/broad jump x2 210sec 5x4x82-92
    rdl 3x3
    quasi iso lunge 2x20x30
    core see sheet

    WED: SS 20MIN

    Tue:
    bp 3x4
    lockouts 3x5x105
    weight dips 3x5
    rev rows 3x5
    face pulls 15 12 10
    curls 8 6 5

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    also remember when u r tired the first thing to go is top speed ability>

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    well i was saying in terms of taking his fastest 20 yard sprint usually u want to hit a 1.8 or 1.9 on the last 20-40. in his case it was a 1.94 if i recall correctly. with that being said he should be in the 3.5 range considring the last 10 would be his fastest.

    oh no excuses needed i am positive it has to do with the fact he had the frees on which are still light, the testing and the workouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    well i was saying in terms of taking his fastest 20 yard sprint usually u want to hit a 1.8 or 1.9 on the last 20-40. in his case it was a 1.94 if i recall correctly. with that being said he should be in the 3.5 range considring the last 10 would be his fastest.

    oh no excuses needed i am positive it has to do with the fact he had the frees on which are still light, the testing and the workouts.

    got it.. also after thinking all night/morning i have decided to keep the old plan with the 10-20-40 on wed and 10's and flying 20-30acc zone on mon. dont ask me why just a gut feeling, hope i am doing the right thing bc i like to see all the people i help succeed.??

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    yea well go with it then. always go with the instincts on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    yea well go with it then. always go with the instincts on it

    LOL, what u think?

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    i think u cant lose either way bc both are well thought out plans of attack and either can work just as well as the other. both have the same volume and the only difference is the excercises done. honestly either way it should work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    i think u cant lose either way bc both are well thought out plans of attack and either can work just as well as the other. both have the same volume and the only difference is the excercises done. honestly either way it should work.

    have you ever seen anyone like this guy before with all the diff speed in diff areas, fast 10 slow 30 etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    have you ever seen anyone like this guy before with all the diff speed in diff areas, fast 10 slow 30 etc
    not really. esp when he has been training if so he should have increased his top end speed. but also u gotta remember i am not around or workout with many sprinters so there are very few guys i have actually seen run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    not really. esp when he has been training if so he should have increased his top end speed. but also u gotta remember i am not around or workout with many sprinters so there are very few guys i have actually seen run.

    ture.. u should post ur 10-20-40 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    ture.. u should post ur 10-20-40 times.
    yea i was thinking of doing that tommorow to see what the deal is and where i am at. u think i should test the sprint shoes on the turf field by me just to get a feel for it? or track test it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    yea i was thinking of doing that tommorow to see what the deal is and where i am at. u think i should test the sprint shoes on the turf field by me just to get a feel for it? or track test it?

    if u can turf thats what i would do.. what times have u been running

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    last time i did my 10 it was a 1.47-1.57. last 40 bests were 4.48 and 4.51 or 4.52. scattered with some 4.6s in there. its very rarely that someone is around to hit me up with a time bc all my boys are working or at school and i run at 1230 in the day. wish i had someone to consistenly work with to really look my progress.

    i talked with my boy who i am supposed to workout with tommmrow so hopefully he doesnt bail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    last time i did my 10 it was a 1.47-1.57. last 40 bests were 4.48 and 4.51 or 4.52. scattered with some 4.6s in there. its very rarely that someone is around to hit me up with a time bc all my boys are working or at school and i run at 1230 in the day. wish i had someone to consistenly work with to really look my progress.

    i talked with my boy who i am supposed to workout with tommmrow so hopefully he doesnt bail.

    u havent time any 20's

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    u havent time any 20's
    not straight 20s. i did some flys which was 1.8-2 about 4 weeks ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEB2
    not straight 20s. i did some flys which was 1.8-2 about 4 weeks ago
    yeh im gonna start timing every sprint he does flys

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4
    yeh im gonna start timing every sprint he does flys
    yea i would really break him down for sure. analyze every single number and think of variables. make notes on his form on each one. i am sure you will break it down nicely and come up with a solution. ya know?

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