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**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

what u get for the 20-40

its hard to really hit it right on but i keep getting a 2. i try to hit it right when any part of the body crosses. the angle is a bitch.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

to be honest with u i am gonan go on a limb and say this was a very bad day. bc i am more explosive then i have ever been. i shit the bed simple as that. yea i am gonna get a tire and a roped and use my harness and put weight in it and just do that.

yeh i was kinda thinking also from both sides, bc if u look at ur race there wasnt too many **** ups and u still didnt run as fast as u wanted so that can be kinda scary. with that been said thats why i would follow something like i gave u so u can get in as many speed days as possible. i have a lil secret ill message u.

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:11 PM

yea scary as ****. i have a few plans of action. i am gonan workout on the turf more when i run. i will impliment hills and resistance on my starts. i never hit 10 yards in seven steps so i would say that was amajor **** up for me. i am usually right on 5 or 6. never 7 since i started.

it will be alot different set up at indy as well tho. i wont be worn out by the time i run my 40(hopefully).

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

to be honest with u i am gonan go on a limb and say this was a very bad day. bc i am more explosive then i have ever been. i shit the bed simple as that. yea i am gonna get a tire and a roped and use my harness and put weight in it and just do that.

myself i dont feel that field turf is a very fast surface that could have been a reason.

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

myself i dont feel that field turf is a very fast surface that could have been a reason.

yea, indy is a different story tho. i have heard its much faster from the mike mayock. there was also 10-20mph winds throughout the day but i honestly cant remember if that was going on during my run.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:16 PM

did u run in the morning or evening

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:18 PM

the first thing i look at to see how fast someone is running is there arm swing, look at guys who run 4.2-4.3 close up there arms are ****ing moving, ur arms i can count the number of swings.

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

did u run in the morning or evening

about 330

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

the first thing i look at to see how fast someone is running is there arm swing, look at guys who run 4.2-4.3 close up there arms are ****ing moving, ur arms i can count the number of swings.

so more arm swing huh. i will have to work on that bc i thought i was getting a decent arm swing. it does go lip to hip but i can se3e what ur saying. def need more revolutions during the run.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

so more arm swing huh. i will have to work on that bc i thought i was getting a decent arm swing. it does go lip to hip but i can se3e what ur saying. def need more revolutions during the run.

on the combine dvd they said they make there combine guys do arm swing everynight for 30mins. shit u only have 2 weeks left.

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

on the combine dvd they said they make there combine guys do arm swing everynight for 30mins. shit u only have 2 weeks left.

well thats my new hobby for the next 2 weeks. arm swings like a motha****a.

what would be ur thoughts on possibly going unaturl with some igf and suspension?

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

well thats my new hobby for the next 2 weeks. arm swings like a motha****a.

what would be ur thoughts on possibly going unaturl with some igf and suspension?

not sure how much that would help now u could try but i would have started that month ago.

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

not sure how much that would help now u could try but i would have started that month ago.

true. i am not the brightest kid but both work extremely fast either way. i can stop both 4 days out and still not test positive. igf is naturally occuring.

hey have u ever been or know anyone who have been to the elite? if so is it run differently. as far as i know they do interviews and weights and heights on fri. then sat they do the testing

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

true. i am not the brightest kid but both work extremely fast either way. i can stop both 4 days out and still not test positive. igf is naturally occuring.

hey have u ever been or know anyone who have been to the elite? if so is it run differently. as far as i know they do interviews and weights and heights on fri. then sat they do the testing

when u say they work fast how, dont make u faster, u may get stronger?

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:41 PM

i am gonan keep it positive. i will do fine at my 40 i just need to get out on my start faster and knock some time off.

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

when u say they work fast how, dont make u faster, u may get stronger?

oh nah i just meant how fast u feel the affects. i def will get stronger which may help but we will see. i am gettin pins tommorow so i probably will start.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

oh nah i just meant how fast u feel the affects. i def will get stronger which may help but we will see. i am gettin pins tommorow so i probably will start.

this is just me but i think it will make u slower.

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

this is just me but i think it will make u slower.

yea i have thought about that as well. but in the past i have dropped tenths off with the use of test but that was with a longer peroid of time. i am still debating.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

yea i have thought about that as well. but in the past i have dropped tenths off with the use of test but that was with a longer peroid of time. i am still debating.

u also have to be real have u ever been a guy who ran 4.4-4.5 in college if not them most likely u wont now.

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

u also have to be real have u ever been a guy who ran 4.4-4.5 in college if not them most likely u wont now.

yup, i have posted on 4.4 and that was on a track surface. alot different. a shitload of difference. but beside sthat i have always been in that range of times. but there has to be someway for me to get faster with pretty good form. it just perplexs me. my stride is decent, my leg drive/strength is good. it just doesnt carry over in times.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

yup, i have posted on 4.4 and that was on a track surface. alot different. a shitload of difference. but beside sthat i have always been in that range of times. but there has to be someway for me to get faster with pretty good form. it just perplexs me. my stride is decent, my leg drive/strength is good. it just doesnt carry over in times.

just throwing out ideas, that could be a sign that u have max out on that area bc when i ask u did u feel great u said yeh, strong, fast and explosive then u ever been

**JJEB2** · 05-26-2006, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

just throwing out ideas, that could be a sign that u have max out on that area bc when i ask u did u feel great u said yeh, strong, fast and explosive then u ever been

possibly. i ams ure there are alot of excuses i could give ie field, wind, rain, not properly warm, legs died out, just two protein bars in the past 4 hrs. the good thing is that i went through the experience and now i know what its like and i have 2 weeks to get better on my start bc i know that wasnt my start that i do 3 times a week. i am gonan try to flatten out more and stay low for 6-8 yards like u suggested.

wednesday i have the local track coach comming down to check things out so i will see what he has to say.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-26-2006, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

possibly. i ams ure there are alot of excuses i could give ie field, wind, rain, not properly warm, legs died out, just two protein bars in the past 4 hrs. the good thing is that i went through the experience and now i know what its like and i have 2 weeks to get better on my start bc i know that wasnt my start that i do 3 times a week. i am gonan try to flatten out more and stay low for 6-8 yards like u suggested.

wednesday i have the local track coach comming down to check things out so i will see what he has to say.

ok sounds good, but just from a bio stand point remember u r what u r 14 days out of comp.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-27-2006, 08:38 AM

is he a high school or college sprint coach?

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

is he a high school or college sprint coach?

high school. hes a decent coach. nothing like the guy they just had as a coach. he is more xc country but he does know alot.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-27-2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

high school. hes a decent coach. nothing like the guy they just had as a coach. he is more xc country but he does know alot.

dude at this time i would let the hs coach go, bc if anything hes just going to confuse u even more coming out there and changing shit. at this time i would continue to train hard and try and film 2-5 starts each speed day then go home and break them down bc u have a pretty good idea of how things should look. also remember how many lb run 4.4-4.5 not many u r right on pace with the ave times and thats what i matter i could see if u ran 4.9 then that would be a problem.

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

dude at this time i would let the hs coach go, bc if anything hes just going to confuse u even more coming out there and changing shit. at this time i would continue to train hard and try and film 2-5 starts each speed day then go home and break them down bc u have a pretty good idea of how things should look. also remember how many lb run 4.4-4.5 not many u r right on pace with the ave times and thats what i matter i could see if u ran 4.9 then that would be a problem.

yea you are right. alot id game speed for lbs. but i need to test well just bc of my circumstances. we will see. the coach just said he was going to come down and check my workout out. i do only have two weeks so i am really not going to do much different just keep doing the tempos and work more on my start bc my top end is alright.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-27-2006, 01:04 PM

for the bp how many reps were u getting in training?? how many warmup sets did u do at the combine?

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

for the bp how many reps were u getting in training?? how many warmup sets did u do at the combine?

i got anywhere from 23 to 26 when i would attempt. i would get 275x10-12, 250x13-18, 225x13-19. my numbers were up and down every single week. i made a few mistakes on my bench. one being i didnt breathe my first 8 reps and second i didnt use my chest for some help. i barely touched my chest each rep. i only did one warm up set with 135.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-27-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

i got anywhere from 23 to 26 when i would attempt. i would get 275x10-12, 250x13-18, 225x13-19. my numbers were up and down every single week. i made a few mistakes on my bench. one being i didnt breathe my first 8 reps and second i didnt use my chest for some help. i barely touched my chest each rep. i only did one warm up set with 135.

not breathe some say is ok. this is how i teach my guys if there goal is 20rep i want them to bang out the first 10 as fast as possible then the last 10 rhy 1.2.3.4 etc. some of my guys dont breathe the first which is ok bc it gives more power and stablization while bp. yes use the chest. one warmup set at 135?

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

not breathe some say is ok. this is how i teach my guys if there goal is 20rep i want them to bang out the first 10 as fast as fast as possible then the last 10 rhy 1.2.3.4 etc. some of my guys dont breathe the first which is ok bc it gives more power and stablization while bp. yes use the chest. one warmup set at 135?

yea i hear ya. i hit the first 12 really fast then i started to feel the burn and fatigue come on. i should have hit my chest like i do when i practice.

yea we moved by number so i would warm up and then i would get in line to spot. so the guy benchs goes on and then the spotter on the right gets under the bench and anew guys comes and spots. all of the guys there were down on their normal in the gym.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-27-2006, 04:54 PM

ur front foot look really close to the line

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

ur front foot look really close to the line

i think it was about 6-8 inches from the line but i didnt cover enough ground in my first step. on the track in my first two steps i get 3-3.5 yards and then i start to stride out.

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 05:02 PM

you think i should flatten out my back more? maybe get lower. how can i work on staying low bc as i have said before i really dont like thinking about running and just doing.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-27-2006, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

you think i should flatten out my back more? maybe get lower. how can i work on staying low bc as i have said before i really dont like thinking about running and just doing.

thats natural, u have to think bout a movement before it comes natural to you. parisi said they move the back leg back to get the back angle they want.

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 05:50 PM

yea i am gonna play with it. i need to stay lower.

also with my arm swing you said i need to generate more revolutions and for them to be faster. but wouldnt that mean i would have to speed my legs up as well to be in sync

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-27-2006, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by JJEB2

yea i am gonna play with it. i need to stay lower.

also with my arm swing you said i need to generate more revolutions and for them to be faster. but wouldnt that mean i would have to speed my legs up as well to be in sync

i know u heard this before the faster the arms go the faster the legs go. i have the combine dvd and they had some kid in training running 4.1-4.2 from a close and his ****ing arms were moving, them matt jones ran 4.3-4.4 and u could really tell the diff btw the two. im not sure if its something u want to force to happen.?

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

i know u heard this before the faster the arms go the faster the legs go. i have the combine dvd and they had some kid in training running 4.1-4.2 from a close and his ****ing arms were moving, them matt jones ran 4.3-4.4 and u could really tell the diff btw the two. im not sure if its something u want to force to happen.?

yea i hear you. it evident but as u said i prob might not want to try to play with it bc everyone has a natural style to them and its too short to change that. just to keep my upper body loose i am gonna do 20 mins a night of arm excercises one arm, two arm, on the ground, in place ect ect.

**buckeyefootball4** · 05-27-2006, 06:19 PM

im watching some combine video do you like how parisi guys load into there stance by going out then loading back into the stance?

**JJEB2** · 05-27-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4

im watching some combine video do you like how parisi guys load into there stance by going out then loading back into the stance?

i have done that and the only reason i do it is so i am really low and can have all my weight on that hand. i almost fall on my face when i lean on my hand that much comming out of the blocks.