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    Quote Originally Posted by bringndaheat
    great thread bro. I really like your stack as well. The only part that scared me was the dbol due to the water retention. I look forward to this read. BTW have you planned out your PCT.

    Oh ya how is the t-4 working for you. It totally changed my cycle. what a difference it made. But I could not run it any higher than 60mcgs. I would lose to much weight to fast. You will really see a difference with the t-4 around week 10!.....enjoy. Those pancakes sound rockin bro!
    Thanks glad you like the thread. I have dropped the Dbol today (6 days early). I don't mind a little bloat but today I have aching everything and I feel bloated and sluggish and generally shit. The Dbol are out as there side effects have out weighed there effects. I will never run them again. I Can't really say how the T4 is effecting the stack as I have not run it before and I haven't run GH either so hard to say. And yes the pancakes are rocking!!
    Hey Columbus hows you? My diet is the same on days off (sat/sun) but I dont have PWO shake. I also don't do IGF on off days. Have to agree with buff(Hi mate) that cardio is a must when bulking or cutting. It keeps me leaner and healthy and it helps control some sides we get like high BP. I am training later today as I felt so rotten this morning. I feel better already now i decided to drop the Dbol. To answer the PCT question - I had planned my PCT but I have done further reading and will be following the Anthony Roberts PCT. I will be running nolva throughout cycle also.
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    Why would you drop cardio when bulking? That makes very little sense unless your goal is to become fat and out of shape.
    i know a few people who compete quit often and they all recommend adding the cardio as late as necessary and allowing diet to keep bf to a minimum. its to allow the cardio to have a greater impact when needed rather than doing year round and when you need it to work the most not doing 2 hours a day to get results. i dont agree but i have seen it be successful. i think its dumb to ignore the cardiovascular health but to each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timtim
    i know a few people who compete quit often and they all recommend adding the cardio as late as necessary and allowing diet to keep bf to a minimum. its to allow the cardio to have a greater impact when needed rather than doing year round and when you need it to work the most not doing 2 hours a day to get results. i dont agree but i have seen it be successful. i think its dumb to ignore the cardiovascular health but to each his own.
    I know many people that do this, and it doesn't make any sense to me. I can understand limiting cardio to less frequent and shorter sessions. But to drop it all together?!?!?!?

    Either way, I'm a natural fatty. Cardio is going to be a big part of my life, whether I like it or not. Also, with all the drugs I've taken/am taking/will take , cardio is probably the only reason I'll live past 40. haha

    Beast, you're doing great brotha. I'm glad to hear you've dropped the Dbol . You'll soon feel much better.

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    In the end I missed training yesterday (apart from AM cardio). I went to go to the gym but felt weak and crap. I figured this was my bodies way of making me have a little break. I will train saturday instead to make up for it. Woke up feeling a lot better today. More energy and much happier too (can Dbol make you depressed!!). The only other side effect I had which I still have is constant itching above my ears and round my hairline. WTF!! Oh well I can live with it. And no it isnt nits like my missis said!

    Legs today
    Squats 10*60k 10*60k 10*100k 5*140k 5*140k 10*100k 10*100k
    Leg press 3 sets up to 240k
    leg extensions 3 sets light to failure
    ham curls 4 sets to fail
    seated calf 3 sets 60k*30
    standing calf 2 sets 15*100k

    Felt good and full of energy. Kept weights low and reps high to keep my back from getting worse. It feels a lot better today. I blame the Dbol for that too. I have actually dropped a noticable ammount of water already. I look leaner and generally better. I am still 102k.

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    Felt good again today but still got an annoying itching on my head all the time. may not be anything to do with AS who knows. I switched to generic blue tops and im now running 10iu EOD to avoid sides. So far so good. My source swears they are 191aa but then they all say that dont they LOL.

    Shoulders today

    seated press machine up to 50k per side 3 sets.
    Lat raises 16*17.5k 12*20k 12*22.5k 10*25k
    seated DB press 25 k 3 sets of 15 good pump!!
    cable lateral raises 2 sets light for pump
    DB shrugs 3 sets 47.5 k
    upright BB rows 20k,40k,50k
    abs

    real nice pump and once i got going i was feeling pretty damn good.

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    water retention lower today and itching head has subsided after I started using Benadryl. I must be having an allergic reaction to either my gear or the supps or could be unrelated. Cardio AM as usual. GH has gone up to 10iu EOD. I did this mainly because im shooting blue tops with sterile water and i heard they dont keep well like that so i use a whole vial EOD. Feeling sleept today but in a good way. Keep having nice restful naps!!

    Bis Tris today

    dips 4 sets up to 20k
    skullcrushers/close grip 3 sets up to 40k
    cable pushdowns with v bar 3 sets light to failure

    DB curls on incline bench 3 sets up to 17.5k per side
    one arm precher curls 3 sets up to 20k
    2 sets and drop set of rope cable curls. Drop set was killer ended up with real good pump

    Came back shot bis with IGF. Now im gonna nap more!!!

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    Very nice log, definatly a good read.


    Keep it up beast!

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    thanks skip. Day off today part from cardio. Im real tired today and i just remembered why i dont use benadryl for my hayfever. It totally puts me to sleep. No harm done today as im off anyway but will have to look for a better anti Histamine tomorrow or just tolerate itchy head. Still holding water although not half as bad as what i was. Weight has levelled at just over 102k. Im figuring that if i drop water and weight stays the same then thats got to be good! Ate a labrada lean body bar today, man those things taste mighty good!! Also had steak and some sweet tatoes which was nice. Still suffering numbness/pain in hands but has subsided slightly (im guessing losing bloat is helping). Worked with a guy last night who i havent seen for a long time. He is an american football player who came over here a few years ago to play in an english team but quit due to injury. When he saw me he whistled and said "damn man you been takin' too many steroids mother ****er". I took it as a compliment.

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    Feel really good today. lots os sleeping and my energy levels are great. Still holding a little water but Im not fussed about that, especially since its raining and cold all the time now!! Means I can cover up with lots of clothes!! AM cardio and GH as usual. Cardio is getting real hard but i WILL keep doing 30mins.

    Chest
    DB flat bench 20*25k,15*30k,12*42.5k,6*50k
    Hammer incline machine 15*50k,12*80k,8*100k,6*110k
    Flat flies DB 12*20k,12*25k,10*30k,6*35k
    Decline bench 3 sets up to 80k on smith
    Tried decline press on bench with DB but slid off the back much to everyones amuesment. I am getting top heavy.
    Cable cross overs 3 sets to fail.

    Really enjoyed workout. Felt good and strong and feeling really mentally positive.

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    Training looks solid bro....you appetite cranked? How many cals doyou think you are getting? How many days of cardio? 30 minutes?

    I've cut my down to almost a crawl at 2.8 speed and 12% grade 1st in the am, for 20 minutes max!! I was doing this daily, cut back to 3-4 a week max and the weigt is coming on nicely. I was afraid( maybe you havent thought of this) in that when it's time to cut and reveil that 6pack, the cardio will have to 1-2 hours a day, since it's already accustomed to 30 minutes a day, it now is gonna take more ON TOP of reducing cals....thoughts?

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    Getting same cals as outlines in my diet. Nothing changes for me diet wise. Cardio is daily at 30mins. During cutting i might bump up to 45mins twice a day. I do cardio to keep fit and because I have to remain mobile for my job. Running out of breath is not an option for me. All in all im pretty happy so far!

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    You do look really happy in your avatar.
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    Felt good today. Water is still dropping and fingers feel less numb! Did wake up last night with severe cramps in abs after working them during evening TV yesterday. Damn it hurt! My missis thought i ws going mad when i lept outta bed holding my gut!

    Back/traps

    Deads 12*60k 10*100k 6*140k 2*180k 1*180k
    Pulldowns wide grip to chest 4 sets
    BB rows under hand grip (dorian stylee!) 12*60k,12*100k,12*100k
    Close grip pulldowns 3 sets
    Seated row 3 sets

    DB shrugs 3 sets 47.5k per side
    Upright rows 3 sets 30k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangerdan
    You do look really happy in your avi.
    LMAO yeah thats my "smile to the camera" look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    Felt good today. Water is still dropping and fingers feel less numb! Did wake up last night with severe cramps in abs after working them during evening TV yesterday. Damn it hurt! My missis thought i ws going mad when i lept outta bed holding my gut!

    Back/traps

    Deads 12*60k 10*100k 6*140k 2*180k 1*180k
    Pulldowns wide grip to chest 4 sets
    BB rows under hand grip (dorian stylee!) 12*60k,12*100k,12*100k
    Close grip pulldowns 3 sets
    Seated row 3 sets

    DB shrugs 3 sets 47.5k per side
    Upright rows 3 sets 30k
    When you were holding water, were your ankles swollen and feet smollen as well? What did you do to beat this aside from getting of dbol ....I'm getting it from just 300mg of test.....

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    Yes my ankles and feet swelled up, socks dug rings round my ankoles, feet hurt to stand on long. Take some arimidex or letro to cut down the sides, drink 1-2 gallons water a day and eat no salt,sodium at all. Thatr means no take away food or processed packaged food.

    Finally got to the bottom of my itchy head and dry skin symtoms, dry skin is now all over face looking like excema. These sides began when I started my bulking diet. Before that I have not consumed any milk or cheese for 2 years. It looks like im allergic to milk. Symptoms include itchy red rash,excema,dry skin, stomach upsets, cramping, running nose, wheezing and feeling crap. I realised this when i ate my cottage cheese last night and 10 mins later i was itching like crazy. Im going to supermarket soon to check out soya products instead.

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    Leg extension 4 sets

    Squats 10*60k 10*100k 5*140k 5*140k 10*100k 10*100k last two sets close stance

    Leg press 15*160k 15*200k 12*240K

    sissy sqauats with 10k DBs 3 sets to fail

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    Bought lots of replacement milk products all containing Soya. I read up on Soya promoting estrogen and that has been found to be B.S. Soya is a good protein source from what I have read. I don't seem to have any problems with Whey just with milk and cheese. Wierd huh?

    Shoulders

    Warm up with 40k seated press 2 sets of 15
    Standing military barbell 12*40k 10*50k 8*50k
    Seated DB press 12*20k 10*25k 10*30k
    DB Lateral raises 15*15k 12*17.5k 10*20k 10*22k
    Rear delt DB raises 10*15k 10*17.5k 11*17.5k
    Rear delt cables 3 sets to fail

    Feeling pretty good today. Looking better as water continues to drop. Still looking big and weighing 102k

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    We getting our bi-monthly pic update?

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    hell yeah good job man!! keep them pics coming

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    pics on monday!

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    !!!!!!!! You look awsome bro! that gives me enthuasm to keep at it!
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    perfectbeast keep it going bro i dont know how to convert kg to pds but the numbers are going up

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    Thanks guys. All the people from this site are a great help, from encouragement right through to technical information. 2.2pounds to 1 kilo BTW!

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    Did I miss something? When did you become a monitor? Congradulations. And you better not turn me in for anything either.

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    LOL, I'll be keeping an eye on you dangerdan!! I got the offer a couple of days ago and said yes,then I changed to orange last night!
    Very hectic day today. I've had loads to do round the house and im working early. Trained arms and abs today.

    Bis

    Preacher machine 3 sets
    Seated DB Hammers 10*15k 10*17.5k 11*20k
    close grip and wide grip BB curls 2 sets

    Tricep rope pushdowns 3 sets
    dips unweighted 4 sets
    cable kickbacks 3 sets

    crunches and roman chair to finish

    Good pump on arms today. Got home for last shot of IGF. Will be starting slin next monday.

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    You're rocking brotha. Keep it up.

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    Thanks buff. Well I basically had a nice two days off this weekend. Did cardio on Saturday and of course the usual diet but I skipped cardio this morning. I just felt real drained so I thought I'd treat myself to total rest. Still sticking to diet though. I have been having increasing pain in my hands especially at night. I can cope with it fine in the day but it has started to wake me at night which is no good as I need good sleep. I have therefore dropped the GH dose to 3iu per day (i am running 10iu EOD)to see what happens. I will ramp it up again slowly when hands feel better. Im currently using blue generics and mixing with sterile water. Any feedback on how long these 10iu vials are good for in the fridge after recon??

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    Great job bro.....I'm following...........just a quickie, I started my cycle with cardio every morning too for 35....than I went to 20......now I am at 3 days max of 4 days 20 minutes slow incline walk and maybe will turn it down to 2 longer sessions. Strength gains keep improving, esp. squat and press since I reduced it...Many will say "I NEVER DO CARDIO" and that's the wrong move as the heart is truly our biggest muscle (or most important anyways)...give it a shot, if you dont like what you see, keep the 7 split. Anyways, great work!

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    I can't drop the cardio I have to stay a little fit and agile for my job. If I run out of puff at work I might get a good kick in!!
    Feeling better after a restful weekend. Hands are still numb and painful even with lower gh dose. Well just have to see if this improves with time. Chest today

    flat bench BB 12*60k,12*12*80k 10*100k 8*120k 3*140k
    Incline DB press 12*30k per side 10*35k 10*40k 6*45k
    Flat DB flies 15*17.5k per side 12*25k 8*30k 6*32.5k
    Decline DB fly 3 sets of 20k per side
    cables 2 light sets for pump

    Calves 3 sets seated up to 60k
    3 sets standing up to 100k

    First day of insulin today. Shot 8iu after workout followed by 100g dex,10g glut,5g BCAA and creatine EE
    15mins later 50g pro isolate
    1 hour after inject carb meal.
    no noticable effects or feelings as of yet. Will get some pics posted later!

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    updated pics

    might have to dlete some old pics temporarily due to space on server but i will post all at the end on my own webspace when i get the time.
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    Still getting pain in hands during night so cut GH back to 2 iu a day. Trained back and rear delts today.

    Deadlifts 12*60k 10*100k 10*140k 5*180k 2*190k
    Chins 2 sets of 8 (im getting too heavy!!!)
    pulldowns to chest 2 sets
    BB rows underhand grip 12*60k 12*80k 15*80k
    Hammer strength iso pulldown 4 sets

    DB rear delt flirs 3 sets of 12 17.5k per side
    3 sets of cable rear delt flies.

    10iu of slin today followed by 100g dex. Felt kind of fuller muscles feeling about an hour after. Looking much fuller all night. Got a lot of comments while i was out round the clubs. Will be dropping dex to 80g tomorrow.

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    Pics look good beast. The lats are a little under developed, but everything else looks very symetrical.

    Sorry to hear about your GH pains. Numb hands can be a bitch. Just give it time. Is this your first run with GH?

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    thanks buff. Working hard on the lats and quads as I think these will be weak points. I'm quite pleased that I have put size on my quads but I am struggling with lats. Any good excercises you can reccomend for a little width.
    This is my first run with GH. The numb hands are just annoying but they are messing with my sleep at night which is no good. They feel a little better today at low dose.

    Quads today

    Squats 12*60k 12*60k 10*100k 7*140k 3*180k 1*180k 6*140k 6*140k

    Leg press 15*200k 12*240k 10*280k 10*280k

    leg extensions 4 sets of 20,15,15,18 at progressivly heavier weight. I actually fell over from jelly legs after walking to get some tissues to wipe machine down so I know I had a good workout!
    Slin 10iu with 80g dex today. Felt fine. Will drop to 70g tomoz.

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    For lats, I have always been a hand of wide grip pullups. I like to go for reps in the range of 8-12 to failure (you might have to add weight for this). I feel like these really helped me add some width. Keep up the hard work.

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    Thanks Dan I'll give them a go. Trouble is the heavier im getting the more difficult pullups are getting LOL!
    Feeling good today, trained shoulders. Felt stronger than normal. I reckon the test is starting to work its magic.

    seated hammer strength military press. 15*30k 12*60k 10*80k 10*100k 6*120k
    Lat raises 12*15k per side 12*20k 12*22.5k 9*25k
    Seated BB press 10*50k 10*80k 5*100k 3*100k
    upright rows 12*30k 12*40k 12*50k 10*62k
    shrugs BB 12*50k 12*100k 10*140k

    10iu slin with 70g of carbs and feeling fine. Will drop to 60 tomorrow. Wont be going lower than that. At last Im pumping out some decent weights. Will be looking for lower reps and more power from here on in.

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    nice calves man they look like calve implants

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    haha thanks man. I wish I could afford implants, I would just spend the money on gear though!

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    Trained Arms yesterday. Feeling very tired throughout morning so slept in (got up for cardio and got back in bed with pancakes!) By the time i got to the gym I was feeling good. When I got to the gym the PT behind the desk said he had the new EXZIBIT album and he would put it on so i could hear it. I got to the weights room and a friend of mine threw some DBs across the floor asking if "this ****ing R n B shit" was mine. I laughed and said it belonged to the PT. So my friend shouts at the PT to turn the "****ing shit off" but he won't. My buddy goes over and basically threatens to stomp the PT who runs and hides in the staff room. I was laughing to hard to lift. My buddy goes outside to cool down and the PT begs me to watch his back and continues to hide. My buddy comes back in and says "man I think that Test E just kicked in".

    Arms
    Dips 4*12 with 25k plate
    v bar cable pushdowns 4 sets
    DB skullcrushers 12*17.5k per side 12*20k 10*25k

    EZ bar curls 12*30k 12*40k 12*50k
    one arm DB preachers 10*17.5k 10*20k 6*22.5k 4*25k
    DB seated curls 3 sets with 15k to fail

    Arms really good and pumped. 10iu slin followed by 60g dex. Felt a little funny when I got in )griping stomach and a little dizy) and waited for affects to get worse but didn't. I will be staying at 60g dex and monitoring situation closely.

    Had day off weights today and just trained cardio in AM. My hands are still aching at night but it isn't as bad on the low dosage of GH. I have found propping my self up with pillows so my upper body is higher than my arms while I sleep really helps.

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    You really take in a crap load of whey shakes. Are you trying to save cash? If you take that many shakes have you considered different forms of protein? ie casein or whatever? Are you doing one a days or two? I know some guys who have had alot of succes by doing their regular lifting in the morning and doing much higher reps later on in the day as a shorter, intense workout.

    Hope you win. It would be nice to see such a down to earth guy walk away with the show.Do you know what bf% you are aiming at and wt?

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    Thanks Velkar. The only shake I could miss out and often do is the pre cardio as i sometimes sub it for solid food. the other 2 I feel are important. Whey is a great protein source and is ideal for pre workout mixed with carbs due to its fast digesting properties. I feel it helps to prevent catabolism. I'm not so sold on the post workout shake idea but I have been using it due to IGF and Slinn which both can trigger sugar lows without immediate carbs. I would not do weights in the morn as I feel far too weak! Thanks for the ideas I will do my best to win! Im aiming at high 80s (kilos) at 5% or lower. This means putting on some good size before but i do have plenty of time!

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