Austinite's Fat Loss Protocol using Over the Counter Products.

[austinite]

How come you didn't include DNP? :-) Really great post/thread! Earlier today I took some chromium, egcg and synephrine and you're completely right . . . I look nothing like kelkel. Maybe it takes a day or two, so fingers crossed for tomorrow. I'll keep you posted.

lmao. Love it when you come around Adoc! Thanks brother, looking forward to hearing from you.

[InTransit]

Why not just run ECA stack?
I've ran ECA and SCA (and all the other stacks, CEC, DNC, NYC etc) stack and ECA stack works better than syn for me for fat loss. Tons of studies as well, it works, and works well.

[austinite]

Why not just run ECA stack?
I've ran ECA and SCA (and all the other stacks, CEC, DNC, NYC etc) stack and ECA stack works better than syn for me for fat loss. Tons of studies as well, it works, and works well.

Reasons are listed in the thread. This is more than just Synephrine, it's a stack. Also the effectiveness of Ephedrine has been stated in the thread. Caffeine does nothing for most people.

[FRDave]

Why not just run ECA stack?
I've ran ECA and SCA (and all the other stacks, CEC, DNC, NYC etc) stack and ECA stack works better than syn for me for fat loss. Tons of studies as well, it works, and works well.

I am going to try this route since I can't find pure ephedrine hcl for the life of me :-( All the Canadian sources I found wont ship to the USA and the few that do wont ship to Ca.

[AnabolicDoc]

You can buy it in pharmacies, combined with guaifenesin. It's called bronkaid and primatene, although I think bronkaid is on backorder. Guaifenesin is pretty much harmless and just thins your bronchial/lung secretions. It is the active ingredient in original Robitussin.

[Pittsburgh412]

That's too much. Find one at the right dose or use less. You can potentially cause liver damage, stomach discomfort, vomiting, etc...

I think 800mcg might be causing stomach discomfort to me personally , unless the 4 green tea pills (125mg ECGC each) are the culprit

[austinite]

I think 800mcg might be causing stomach discomfort to me personally , unless the 4 green tea pills (125mg ECGC each) are the culprit

Very unlikely at that dose. But try an elimination process and run it lower.

[Pittsburgh412]

Very unlikely at that dose. But try an elimination process and run it lower.

Good idea bro

[bringndaheat]

Great thread Austin but I've come to expect nothing less. Thanks for putting in the work. Quick question I'm sure you've run Clen /T3 could u compare? I hate Clen so would like ur thoughts? Is this stack as harsh?

-Heat

[Brazensol]

Got all my stuff and started 'Operation Fat Burn' today! Took 1 scoop of synephrine, 800mcg of chromium and 600mg of EGCG on an empty stomach (EGCG recommended not to take on empty stomach). I felt no discomfort and never felt jittery. Did my morning fasted cardio (15 mile bike ride) and everything felt "normal". Will continue with one micro scoop of synephrine for 2 more days and don't expect any issues when adding another scoop.

Today I weighed 189.8 pounds @ 20.3% bf.

[InTransit]

Yep.

I think I'll try the EGCG and Chrom with Ephedrine since ECA works WAY better on me than Syn

[AnabolicDoc]

Austin. What are your thoughts on that?

[austinite]

Austin. What are your thoughts on that?

Thoughts on what? Ephedrine? Discussed a couple times already but Ephedrine is not readily available, more expensive and comes with more risk. I've outlined that it is more potent than Synephrine. However, I find caffeine to be worthless and aspirin just thins blood (to counter ephedrines negative effects) and has nothing to do with fat loss. So in reality you have 3 products but only 1 is helping you lose weight.

All 3 products in this stack work towards the same goal. This is not a stack in lieu of ECA and in fact, not really comparable. So if someone wants to go with ephedrine, no problem... but Ephedrine is not in the protocol for a reason.

[austinite]

Great thread Austin but I've come to expect nothing less. Thanks for putting in the work. Quick question I'm sure you've run Clen /T3 could u compare? I hate Clen so would like ur thoughts? Is this stack as harsh?

-Heat

I think clen is poison. So I'll end my review there, don't have much info on it as I can only handle 40mcg nd that put me out for 2 days.

T3 is great but again, not comparable at all. T3 should be used with testosterone to stave off muscle waste. I can't really compare them. This is all OTC products.

[GEEZII]

How would you use this stack along with another pre workout, i train in the mornings so i take my pre-workout (aakg, beta alanine, acetyl-l-carnitine, caffeine, bcaas/ all together) after breakfast.

how would i incorporate this stack?

[austinite]

How would you use this stack along with another pre workout, i train in the mornings so i take my pre-workout (aakg, beta alanine, acetyl-l-carnitine, caffeine, bcaas/ all together) after breakfast.

how would i incorporate this stack?

I'm not sure what you mean by how to incorporate. Just take it pre workout. There's no issues with other supplements. I take what you take x 100. with no issues

[GEEZII]

so ill be good to take it all together in the one go ?

[austinite]

so ill be good to take it all together in the one go ?

yes. but remember, the more you take, the more they will fight for absorption. Just be smart about it.

[SexySweetheart]

just chiming in that ChallangeAccepted and I are starting this with in the week when my orders come in from Amazon. looking forward to it

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[GEEZII]

ok sweet! thanks for that, they should all be arriving this week

[austinite]

just chiming in that ChallangeAccepted and I are starting this with in the week when my orders come in from Amazon. looking forward to it

That's great, Sexy4mySweetheart!

Let's take a quick look at your EGCG supplement...

We start with 300mg per serving. It says 98% is polyphenols. That leaves us with 294mg.

90% of polyphenols are Catechin (which contains some egcg) . So now we have 264.6 mg.

Catechin breaks down to 6 compounds. EGCG, EGC, ECG, EC, GC and C.

EGCG accounts for 50% of the group. So we have 264.6mg of Catechin... Divide that by 2 and you'll get the EGCG content, so your supplement has 132.3mg of EGCG.

So to reach a total of 600mg of EGCG, you'd have to take about 4.5 servings per day.

[basketballfan22]

That's great, Sexy4mySweetheart!

Let's take a quick look at your EGCG supplement...

We start with 300mg per serving. It says 98% is polyphenols. That leaves us with 294mg.

90% of polyphenols are Catechin (which contains some egcg) . So now we have 264.6 mg.

Catechin breaks down to 6 compounds. EGCG, EGC, ECG, EC, GC and C.

EGCG accounts for 50% of the group. So we have 264.6mg of Catechin... Divide that by 2 and you'll get the EGCG content, so your supplement has 132.3mg of EGCG.

So to reach a total of 600mg of EGCG, you'd have to take about 4.5 servings per day.

Okay I have a question about these calculations. The supplement I plan to take (Green Tea 98% Powder, 50 Grams) gives the same information; but it says for 500 mg, you will get 250 mg of EGCG. In other words I think when products state "50% EGCG," it means 50% of the serving. Does this mean the products are lying, or the product information has these calculations already accounted for?

[SexySweetheart]

That's great, Sexy4mySweetheart!

Let's take a quick look at your EGCG supplement...

We start with 300mg per serving. It says 98% is polyphenols. That leaves us with 294mg.

90% of polyphenols are Catechin (which contains some egcg) . So now we have 264.6 mg.

Catechin breaks down to 6 compounds. EGCG, EGC, ECG, EC, GC and C.

EGCG accounts for 50% of the group. So we have 264.6mg of Catechin... Divide that by 2 and you'll get the EGCG content, so your supplement has 132.3mg of EGCG.

So to reach a total of 600mg of EGCG, you'd have to take about 4.5 servings per day.

have to say that my hero (tigershark) usually does all this stuff (measuring and math) for me so I was SUPER nervous about ordering the rite stuff and i am still anxious about measuring correctly when it arrives.
...and all you just said~ is spanglish to me *bashful embarrassed laugh*

i honestly dont know how to measure this all out now - i thought it would be like a micro scoop of this and a tad of that all thrown in my juice (we are juicing too) in the morning and thats that.....

now im ubber confused lol

[basketballfan22]

have to say that my hero (tigershark) usually does all this stuff (measuring and math) for me so I was SUPER nervous about ordering the rite stuff and i am still anxious about measuring correctly when it arrives.
...and all you just said~ is spanglish to me *bashful embarrassed laugh*

i honestly dont know how to measure this all out now - i thought it would be like a micro scoop of this and a tad of that all thrown in my juice (we are juicing too) in the morning and thats that.....

now im ubber confused lol

If you have a small scale, just measure out 4.5 servings. Make sure you account for the container you are putting the powder in. I don't even use the scoops that come with protein powder because I am anal about quantities. I will weigh the scoop and adjust accordingly so that I know that I am getting exactly (well up to one-tenth of a gram) the amount of protein I think I am.

[austinite]

Okay I have a question about these calculations. The supplement I plan to take (Green Tea 98% Powder, 50 Grams) gives the same information; but it says for 500 mg, you will get 250 mg of EGCG. In other words I think when products state "50% EGCG," it means 50% of the serving. Does this mean the products are lying, or the product information has these calculations already accounted for?

No they're not lying. When EGCg is referred to in milligrams, they are referring to EGCg directly. EGCg can be added to a powder/supplement directly. which is what that site does (good website btw). The one's you need to be careful of are the ones that do not state EGCg in milligrams. This is why I said in the OP to always search for EGCg and not Green Tea.

HPLC is high-performance liquid chromatography and is used to calculate EGCg content for accuracy.

[basketballfan22]

No they're not lying. When EGCg is referred to in milligrams, they are referring to EGCg directly. EGCg can be added to a powder/supplement directly. which is what that site does (good website btw). The one's you need to be careful of are the ones that do not state EGCg in milligrams. This is why I said in the OP to always search for EGCg and not Green Tea.

HPLC is high-performance liquid chromatography and is used to calculate EGCg content for accuracy.

You're a wealth of knowledge my man. Thanks.

[austinite]

lol, I try. That's why they state on the website that it won't work for regular tea drinkers. Too concentrated. In other words, if you have to use my math above, that means it's drinkable tea and not too bitter.

[basketballfan22]

Here is what the site says about the product Sexy4mySweetheart listed:

"300 grams (10.58 oz.) Green Tea Extract Verified by HPLC analysis to exceed 98% polyphenols and 50% EGCG" (http://liftmode.com/LMmagento/produc...s-50-egcg.html).

Does this mean you don't need those calculations because they also used HPLC; or because they don't explicitly state the mass of EGCG, you should still adjust the serving size as per your calculations?

[SexySweetheart]

yea i have no idea that of which you speak ...lol sorry
behaviour problem solving ~ im all over it!
this cr@p ... im a deer frozen in the headlights with fear

i will be posting when i get it and asking how much of each thing i take and how often ... than salute and follow orders

[austinite]

Here is what the site says about the product Sexy4mySweetheart listed:

"300 grams (10.58 oz.) Green Tea Extract Verified by HPLC analysis to exceed 98% polyphenols and 50% EGCG" (Green Tea Extract - 300 Grams (10.58 Oz) - 98+% Polyphenols / 50+% EGCG - LiftMode Products).

Does this mean you don't need those calculations because they also used HPLC; or because they don't explicitly state the mass of EGCG, you should still adjust the serving size as per your calculations?

Of course it means that. That's why its always crucial to give me labels.

edit: I Just looked at that site, I don't know. We have to remember this is not a regulated industry. This is why I recommended NOW products. I think they mistyped that because I see no reference to EGCg in milligrams. I think they are referring to total catechins. HPLC can also be used to determine EGCG and it's sisters as a whole. I don't know about this one, seems more marketing than anything. Then again I never purchase anything that comes in a tub - Stick to NOW products for my approval. Or the powder site.

EVERYONE: Please search for EGCg. Do not search for Green tea. It has to be LABELED EGCG and show the actual EGCG content, not a percentage. You'll drive yourself crazy otherwise.

[AnabolicDoc]

What do you think of Vitamin Shoppe brands and the brands they carry?

[Gaspaco]

Had my first dosage pre arm workout!!!

Felt little dizzy but full of energy and pretty pumped eventho had no NO products!!!

[austinite]

Had my first dosage pre arm workout!!!

Felt little dizzy but full of energy and pretty pumped eventho had no NO products!!!

Energy is good. That's Synephrine. Dizziness, just be cautious, if it happens repeatedly, lower the dose slightly, but it's probably just your body adjusting to Synephrine. Energy boost is a nice bonus. Shrink those fat cells!

[austinite]

What do you think of Vitamin Shoppe brands and the brands they carry?

I'm not really experienced with them. But if you're buying local, they actually carry NOW products, which I know are of excellent quality. I can't imagine their own brand being of poor quality, we would have heard something about them by now. They don't have the bad rep that GNC has.

[Brazensol]

Busy day today but finally can give an update. Took one scoop os synephrine this morning and could feel PVC's (premature ventricular contractions - random extra heartbeats from time to time) whenever I pushed hard on the bike today. To be fair I do not know if this was the synephrine or from being dehydrated. I do tend to throw PVC's whenever I get dehydrated so will see how things go tomorrow. Otherwise no issues. Didn't really feel a surge of energy like some have mentioned but it could be because I just woke up and immediately went for a bike ride...

[FRDave]

I took the stack today but around 25mg of synephrine since mine came with a 50mg scooper (hard to gauge amount since so small) and I felt nothing lol. That was about 3hrs ago...

I'll continue, possibly upping the synephrine based on how I feel and go from there.

[austinite]

Busy day today but finally can give an update. Took one scoop os synephrine this morning and could feel PVC's (premature ventricular contractions - random extra heartbeats from time to time) whenever I pushed hard on the bike today. To be fair I do not know if this was the synephrine or from being dehydrated. I do tend to throw PVC's whenever I get dehydrated so will see how things go tomorrow. Otherwise no issues. Didn't really feel a surge of energy like some have mentioned but it could be because I just woke up and immediately went for a bike ride...

Yeah, energy effects everyone differently, this is why I didn't want to mention energy in the original post, but either way it should be working

I took the stack today but around 25mg of synephrine since mine came with a 50mg scooper (hard to gauge amount since so small) and I felt nothing lol. That was about 3hrs ago...

I'll continue, possibly upping the synephrine based on how I feel and go from there.

Increase slowly. I've taken up to 60mg, I certainly felt it then! But I'm happy at 20mg. Seems to be a sweet spot for me. Your might be higher!

[Robot Body]

Gonna give this a try, I'll take a body pic of myself right before supp's get here (which should be in 3-5 days) then after a month so you can view the progress.

[austinite]

Gonna give this a try, I'll take a body pic of myself right before supp's get here (which should be in 3-5 days) then after a month so you can view the progress.

Sounds great! Good luck, RB!

[Brazensol]

So far so good. 188.0# and 19.8% bf. Got a few pvc's during this mornings cardio but not near as many as yesterday. I think dehydration was a bigger player.