Austinite's Fat Loss Protocol using Over the Counter Products.

[FRDave]

What is the largest dose of synephrine I can safely take in one dose? What about daily?

My little tub says 1-2 doses, 1-2 times per day (dose is 50mg).

[AnabolicDoc]

10,000gm. Jk, it really depends on the individual. If you have a heart condition, none . . . uncontrolled high BP, none . . . anxiety, probably very low depending on severity. Point is most of the time there are no cookie cutter answers for questions such as the one you posted. Start low and go slow as Austin suggested!

Sorry Aus, had to jump in on this one. I don't know how you (or anyone) can be expected to answer such a question especially in the absence of past med history, current meds, reaction to current dose, etc. OP, this is def not an attack at you. It's just that these types of questions get asked frequently and there's no unanimous decisive answer.

[FRDave]

Was more concered about toxicity levels and I know Austinite stated he did a lot of research and I assume he probably has several studies in front of him... Guess I should have been more specific.

But yes, I am starting slow and will up it a bit every few days to judge effects.

As for the question regarding daily tolerance, I ask this since I am wondering if we could benefit by taking 2-3x daily like ECA for better overall benefits? This curosity was brought on by my bottle being that it states "take 1-2 times, 1-2 per day", thus upwards of 200mg since each serving is 50mg.

[AnabolicDoc]

Was more concered about toxicity levels and I know Austinite stated he did a lot of research and I assume he probably has several studies in front of him... Guess I should have been more specific.

But yes, I am starting slow and will up it a bit every few days to judge effects.

As for the question regarding daily tolerance, I ask this since I am wondering if we could benefit by taking 2-3x daily like ECA for better overall benefits? This curosity was brought on by my bottle being that it states "take 1-2 times, 1-2 per day", thus upwards of 200mg since each serving is 50mg.

Like I said it was def not an attack at you. It's just that type of question gets asked a lot w/o any background info and even then it's generally an unanswerable question.

Look up the LD50 for synephrine. It's the lethal dose needed for the bottom 50% of the population (in regards to tolerance). Also look up ED50, which is the minimum effective dose needed for 50% of the population. You'll get a very broad range usually, but it should give you a better idea of how potentially toxic a substance is. The closer the LD50 is to the ED50, the more potential for toxicity.

[SexySweetheart]

Of course it means that. That's why its always crucial to give me labels.

edit: I Just looked at that site, I don't know. We have to remember this is not a regulated industry. This is why I recommended NOW products. I think they mistyped that because I see no reference to EGCg in milligrams. I think they are referring to total catechins. HPLC can also be used to determine EGCG and it's sisters as a whole. I don't know about this one, seems more marketing than anything. Then again I never purchase anything that comes in a tub - Stick to NOW products for my approval. Or the powder site.

EVERYONE: Please search for EGCg. Do not search for Green tea. It has to be LABELED EGCG and show the actual EGCG content, not a percentage. You'll drive yourself crazy otherwise.

:/ this is what i got when i searched for the egcg...but i see now that i should have done more searching.
ok so i got it in the mail here it is Attachment 140449 .. its HUGE! I took a pix of it with my ninja and toaster oven so you can see how large this tub is lol. and no no i dont wanna drive myself crazy with figuring out measurements- if it were you, would you return this and search for the NOW product? cuz thats the way im leaning ...

[austinite]

So far so good. 188.0# and 19.8% bf. Got a few pvc's during this mornings cardio but not near as many as yesterday. I think dehydration was a bigger player.

Loving the updates, Braz! Thank you very much!

[austinite]

:/ this is what i got when i searched for the egcg...but i see now that i should have done more searching.
ok so i got it in the mail here it is .. its HUGE! I took a pix of it with my ninja and toaster oven so you can see how large this tub is lol. and no no i dont wanna drive myself crazy with figuring out measurements- if it were you, would you return this and search for the NOW product? cuz thats the way im leaning ...

Yeah it's a tough call. EGCg is funny because it may work at lower doses for some. If you spent good money on this, I would return it. But if it was cheap and no harm done, you could try it. Me personally... I would return it and get EGCg from NOW products that contain 200mg per pill.

[austinite]

Was more concered about toxicity levels and I know Austinite stated he did a lot of research and I assume he probably has several studies in front of him... Guess I should have been more specific.

But yes, I am starting slow and will up it a bit every few days to judge effects.

As for the question regarding daily tolerance, I ask this since I am wondering if we could benefit by taking 2-3x daily like ECA for better overall benefits? This curosity was brought on by my bottle being that it states "take 1-2 times, 1-2 per day", thus upwards of 200mg since each serving is 50mg.

That doesn't sound like pure Synephrine, can you link me to your product please? Lots of manufacturers add tons of filler with their compound so that even if you took large doses, you'd only get so much Synephrine. The one in the picture I have in the original post is pure, raw synephrine powder, no fillers.

Doses up to 100mg have been studied and proven to show no abnormalities. This is in reference to toxicity. But again, something non-toxic can still cause issues if one can't handle the dose. If you feel OK, go for it. However, I'll be on the safe side and say that you should remain at or under 80mg daily.

[AnabolicDoc]

:/ this is what i got when i searched for the egcg...but i see now that i should have done more searching.
ok so i got it in the mail here it is <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=140449"/> .. its HUGE! I took a pix of it with my ninja and toaster oven so you can see how large this tub is lol. and no no i dont wanna drive myself crazy with figuring out measurements- if it were you, would you return this and search for the NOW product? cuz thats the way im leaning ...

I got synephrine and egcg from same company via Amazon. I forgot to look for NOW products. I usually get Vitamin Shoppe brands products but they only had one kind of synephrine online and it was relatively expensive.

[FRDave]

That doesn't sound like pure Synephrine, can you link me to your product please? Lots of manufacturers add tons of filler with their compound so that even if you took large doses, you'd only get so much Synephrine. The one in the picture I have in the original post is pure, raw synephrine powder, no fillers.

Doses up to 100mg have been studied and proven to show no abnormalities. This is in reference to toxicity. But again, something non-toxic can still cause issues if one can't handle the dose. If you feel OK, go for it. However, I'll be on the safe side and say that you should remain at or under 80mg daily.

http://liftmode.com/LMmagento/produc...729279198.html

Attached a few pics as well.

[SexySweetheart]

Synephrine HCl Powder - 20 Grams (0.71 Oz) - 98% Pure - LiftMode Products

Attached a few pics as well.

this is what i got as well... im waiting for it to come.
well the "green tea" was like 30 bucks and as far as im concerned there is no bad money so i think i will send it back and get the NOW product- hoping its on amazon

[FRDave]

this is what i got as well... im waiting for it to come.
well the "green tea" was like 30 bucks and as far as im concerned there is no bad money so i think i will send it back and get the NOW product- hoping its on amazon

Ya, I got the NOW branded chromium picolinate and EGCg, all 3 from amazon.

[SexySweetheart]

Ya, I got the NOW branded chromium picolinate and EGCg, all 3 from amazon.

would you mind terribly, sending me the link to the NOW CHROMUIM plz

[austinite]

FRDave, that looks good. I think they're just saying not to take the doses together. You'll be fine, just remember to pace yourself. Enjoy.

[FRDave]

would you mind terribly, sending me the link to the NOW CHROMUIM plz

NOW EGCg: Amazon.com: NOW Foods EGCg, Green Tea Extract, 400mg, 180 Vcaps: Health & Personal Care

NOW Chromium Picolinate: Amazon.com: NOW Foods Chromium Picolinate 200mcg, 250 Capsules: Health & Personal Care

Hope that helps

[FRDave]

FRDave, that looks good. I think they're just saying not to take the doses together. You'll be fine, just remember to pace yourself. Enjoy.

Sounds good. If all else fails, I had my girl pick me up two boxes of Primatene from Walgreens for my asthma today. Never knew ephedrine HCL was so easy to find :-)

[Brazensol]

austinite - I have the same brand synephrine that you have. Would you happen to know how many mgs 1 level micro scoop is? I don't have a scale that measures those small amounts. At any rate, I am bumping my my dose to 2 level scoops instead of 2 rounded scoops for this mornings cardio.

[austinite]

austinite - I have the same brand synephrine that you have. Would you happen to know how many mgs 1 level micro scoop is? I don't have a scale that measures those small amounts. At any rate, I am bumping my my dose to 2 level scoops instead of 2 rounded scoops for this mornings cardio.

My scale gives me 0.011 grams, which is 11 mgs for a rounded scoop.

[SexySweetheart]

NOW EGCg: Amazon.com: NOW Foods EGCg, Green Tea Extract, 400mg, 180 Vcaps: Health & Personal Care

NOW Chromium Picolinate: Amazon.com: NOW Foods Chromium Picolinate 200mcg, 250 Capsules: Health & Personal Care

Hope that helps

ok another ? ...
so im confused, the NOW EGCg: Amazon.com: NOW Foods EGCg, Green Tea Extract, 400mg, 180 Vcaps: Health & Personal Care says in the discription 200mg but also says 400mg? ? ?

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Green Tea Extract (Camellia sinensis) (Leaf) (Standardized Extract) (Contains 4 mg of Caffeine) [min. 98% Total Polyphenols, 80% Total Catechins, and 50% EGCg (Epigallocatechin Gallate) (200 mg)], Decaffeinated Green Tea (Camellia sinensis) (Leaf), Other Ingredients: Cellulose (capsule), Silica and Magnesium Stearate (vegetable source). Contains no sugar, salt, starch, yeast, wheat, gluten, corn, soy, milk, egg, shellfish or preservatives. Vegetarian/Vegan Product.

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Size: 180
One capsule of NOW® Green Tea Extract with 200 mg EGCg possesses the phytonutrient content equal to about 2-3 cups of green tea. Green Tea Extract contains numerous compounds, including Polyphenols and Catechins, that provide potent antioxidant benefits. One Catechin in particular, EGCg, has demonstrated extraordinary free radical quenching power in laboratory studies. In non-clinical studies, EGCg has also been shown to be protective against chemical and environmental assault on tissues and helps to support healthy cell cycle regulation.*



sooo is this good to get?like is it just a typo that says 400mg?
i looked on the NOW product page and cant see any listed with 200mg...
and will i like have to brake the caps open and use 1/2 a cap each day cuz it says its 400mg - but 200mg is whats needed?


*also note the " Do Not Eat Freshness Packet" lmao

[austinite]

^^^ yes. That's 200mg of EGCg per pill. Perfect. so you take 3 pills to get 600mg.

[SexySweetheart]

oh i see... the 400mg is what each pill is, and it contains 200mg of the EGCg ~ok slow but I got it lol . ordered.

[austinite]

oh i see... the 400mg is what each pill is, and it contains 200mg of the EGCg ~ok slow but I got it lol . ordered.

Bingo

Can't wait to hear about your progress!

[SexySweetheart]

Bingo

Can't wait to hear about your progress!

lol im not done with you yet Mr.
still have a few ?s

but wanna wait till i have it all here in front of me to sort it out and write down directions


*thanks for your patientce

[austinite]

lol im not done with you yet Mr.
still have a few ?s

but wanna wait till i have it all here in front of me to sort it out and write down directions


*thanks for your patientce

Anytime S4! I'll be here

[Brazensol]

My scale gives me 0.011 grams, which is 11 mgs for a rounded scoop.

So I'm guessing that two level scoops would be ~15'ish mgs? Anyway the ride went fine today with the increased dose. Weighed in at 187.6 and 19.6% bf. Don't know if it's coincidence or if this stuff is already doing it's thing! I wll do 2 level scoops for a few days and then increase to one rounded scoop and one level scoop.

Since I do cardio in the morning and lift in the afternoon/evening would taking another scoop of synephrine before lifting be of benefit?

[austinite]

So I'm guessing that two level scoops would be ~15'ish mgs? Anyway the ride went fine today with the increased dose. Weighed in at 187.6 and 19.6% bf. Don't know if it's coincidence or if this stuff is already doing it's thing! I wll do 2 level scoops for a few days and then increase to one rounded scoop and one level scoop.

Since I do cardio in the morning and lift in the afternoon/evening would taking another scoop of synephrine before lifting be of benefit?

Just keep doing what you're doing and you will continue to drop. But yes, if the scoops are leveled out I'm guessing you're right, it would be around 15 to 17mgs.

No problem taking another scoop of Synephrine in the afternoon, just make sure it's not too close to bed time.

[FRDave]

Took 50mg of synephrine today with my stack and felt nothing lol. I'll probably run this for the next few days to see how it goes then slightly up the dosage.

[austinite]

Took 50mg of synephrine today with my stack and felt nothing lol. I'll probably run this for the next few days to see how it goes then slightly up the dosage.

Yes, run it at 50mg. It's still doing it's thing, even if you don't feel it. If you're super active generally, you won't feel it as much as someone that isn't as active.

[FRDave]

Yes, run it at 50mg. It's still doing it's thing, even if you don't feel it. If you're super active generally, you won't feel it as much as someone that isn't as active.

I have a desk job lol. Most action I get is my workout. I'll see how the weight loss looks this Saturday. All the weight loss products I have ever used gave me an energy boost so I guess that's what I was/am looking for. Then again, on TRT I have all the energy in the world, so maybe I just don't notice the usual energy/motivation decline from a low calorie diet like all my past cutting attempts.

[austinite]

^ naa. Lots of people using it report no energy boost. That's why I never mentioned energy in the original post. Wanted to make sure expectations are realistic.

[FRDave]

^ naa. Lots of people using it report no energy boost. That's why I never mentioned energy in the original post.

Nice. I think that was just my own assumption based on past weight loss pills. I weight in every Saturday so ill stick to the current 50mg and see how things go.

Thanks again

[GEEZII]

I have been trying this for 2 days now, with the Synephrine I'm unaware how much i am putting (possibly 50mg) as i don't have a micro scoop. so far my workouts have been pretty good. HR average was around 148BPM, throughout my reps it was hitting peaks of 188BPM. no shaking or anything and i was able to sleep at night even though i took it 5 hours before bed. pretty good if you ask me!

i will stick to it for around a month and see how it goes

[austinite]

I have been trying this for 2 days now, with the Synephrine I'm unaware how much i am putting (possibly 50mg) as i don't have a micro scoop. so far my workouts have been pretty good. HR average was around 148BPM, throughout my reps it was hitting peaks of 188BPM. no shaking or anything and i was able to sleep at night even though i took it 5 hours before bed. pretty good if you ask me!

i will stick to it for around a month and see how it goes

Be careful with your dosing. You can get a milligram scale on amazon for $20. Worth the investment.

Glad it's helping, keep us posted on your progress!

[SexySweetheart]

Attachment 140714

I just received and opened everything

re-read this thread a few times and I would like to just double check with you to see if Im spot on or not.

so I take each of the 3, 3 times a day (preferably with meals) and i should start the synephrine at less than a full level scoop- and work my way up to the full level micro scoop if mu tummy agrees with it.

if i have this correct ~ I will be starting it all Monday morning

[austinite]

Attachment 140714

I just received and opened everything

re-read this thread a few times and I would like to just double check with you to see if Im spot on or not.

so I take each of the 3, 3 times a day (preferably with meals) and i should start the synephrine at less than a full level scoop- and work my way up to the full level micro scoop if mu tummy agrees with it.

if i have this correct ~ I will be starting it all Monday morning

hold on... can you show me the chromium label? Or tell me what amount each pill has...

[SexySweetheart]

hold on... can you show me the chromium label? Or tell me what amount each pill has...

MOST DEFINATLY ! i included the amazon pages for more detailed info ...

Attachment 140733Attachment 140734
Amazon.com: NOW Foods EGCg, Green Tea Extract, 400mg, 180 Vcaps: Health & Personal Care

Amazon.com: Synephrine HCl Powder - 20 Grams (0.71 Oz) - 98% Pure - FBLM: Health & Personal Care

Amazon.com: Nature&#39;s Bounty Mega Chromium Picolinate 800 Mcg., 50 Tablets: Health & Personal Care

[basketballfan22]

You want 800 mcg of chromium per day, so definitely don't take three of those. Just take one.

[austinite]

MOST DEFINATLY ! i included the amazon pages for more detailed info ...

Attachment 140733Attachment 140734
Amazon.com: NOW Foods EGCg, Green Tea Extract, 400mg, 180 Vcaps: Health & Personal Care

Amazon.com: Synephrine HCl Powder - 20 Grams (0.71 Oz) - 98% Pure - FBLM: Health & Personal Care

Amazon.com: Nature&#39;s Bounty Mega Chromium Picolinate 800 Mcg., 50 Tablets: Health & Personal Care

Your daily intake is...

1 scoop of Synephrine.
1 pill of Chromium
3 pills of EGCg

That's your total daily intake. Do not take that 3 times a day. Only once.

[SexySweetheart]

Your daily intake is...

1 scoop of Synephrine.
1 pill of Chromium
3 pills of EGCg

That's your total daily intake. Do not take that 3 times a day. Only once.

am i taking the 3 pills ecgg all at once or spreading them out durning the day?
what time of day do you think i should take the chromium/synephrine- considering i do GREAT in the morning and afternoon with staying on intake/diet track (after 7pm all will power deceases and i end up consumed with food thoughts and cravings and low on will power)

[austinite]

am i taking the 3 pills ecgg all at once or spreading them out durning the day?
what time of day do you think i should take the chromium/synephrine- considering i do GREAT in the morning and afternoon with staying on intake/diet track (after 7pm all will power deceases and i end up consumed with food thoughts and cravings and low on will power)

That's really optional. I took mine all at once. Take everything about 30 minutes before you workout. And at the same time on days you do not workout.