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10-25-2009, 05:45 PM #241
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I see... I've never hear of the "istologic decay". I have heard of HCG causing "leydig cell desensitization" when mega dosing with HCG. Perhaps "istologic decay" is just another term for that...
Originally Posted by BJJ
Thats why peeps shouldn't use more then 500iu twice a week or 250iu EOD of HCG so leydig cell desensitization doesnt happen.
The guys that try to "Shock" their testes when using HCG in PCT at 1000iu+ at one time are doing more harm then good...
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10-25-2009, 06:11 PM #242
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Hey BJJ thanks for making this log its really informed me about anavar
Anyways, you should keep a log on how your bench is. Its an easy way to tell how much muscle your building. Thanks!
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10-26-2009, 02:31 AM #243
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Thank you, I appreciate it. Originally Posted by Trying to bench 200
Hey BJJ thanks for making this log its really informed me about anavar
Anyways, you should keep a log on how your bench is. Its an easy way to tell how much muscle your building. Thanks!
As per the log regarding "bench", I disagree would be an easy way to see how much muscles I am building. Too many factors may induce more strength in one day and less in others.
So, at the end of the cycle, I'll undergo a new BMI (the one before cycle is visible at post n.2) and then it will be clear how much muscles I have put on and especially where. My guess is legs, since it was the weakest part.
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The log you were taking about will be put soon on since it is an important information, as you meant.
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10-26-2009, 02:39 AM #244
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I wish I could ask him but since what happened with that pusillanimous, I guess it will remain an "unasked query". Originally Posted by ythrashin
Though, some vets could intervene and clarify but I see none of them around this thread, unfortunately.
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10-27-2009, 03:15 PM #245
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Week 5
Day 29 Originally Posted by BJJ
60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.723 Kcal – (Shoulders, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Problems to fall asleep because I took the last tabs of Oxandrolone around midnight, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam, 10 mg Diazepam
Day 30
70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.790 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam
Day 31
70 oxa / 50 mes – 5.999 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region
Day 32
70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.461 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide, 10 mg Diazepam
Day 33
70 oxa / 50 mes – 2.763 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 200 mg Nimesulide, 4 gr Ketoprofen foam
Day 34
70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.321 Kcal – (Chest & Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Day 35
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.973 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide
Updated Stats (from day 16, where I reached with this cycle, my previous natural limit):
Body Weigth: 98,9 kg (217,6 lbs) +4,66%
Body Fat: 14,6% +4,29%
Water: 63,8% +0,31%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 80,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +3,88%
New BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): 2.485 Kcal
(data given by Tanita BC-418)
Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.432
5TH WEEK NOTES
So, in 19 days I took 6,6 lbs of lean mass (estimate) while fat increased a bit more but still under control (considering also I am not eating low glycemic index carbs at all) and water kept at the same value.
I would say so far, oxandrolone is showing its ability to increase the lean mass controlling either the fat and the water.
I am quite satisfied because I think I can easily go down to 12% bf retaining most of the lean mass acquired. I will act so the last ten days of the cycle. Till that time, I want to continue eating that much calories and proteins. Perhaps I can start eating more oats instead of pasta and rice!!!
At day 30 I started to ingest 10 mg more of Oxandrolone daily, for a total of 70 mg.
At day 35 I went back to 60 mg since I noticed no differences at all and the back pain on the lumbar right region came back again in a vigorous way. I am getting tired of this also because in spite of the echography I took lastly (which was fine), the pain is always there and seems to get worse after I ingest Oxandrolone. I had no possibility, as previously stated, to go taking blood analyses a few days ago, but I’ll go tomorrow morning. I want to see if the values related to the liver and the kidneys have stabilized or not. In negative case, it could be an explanation for the pain. Surely, I cannot keep taking nimesulide to get rid of the pain since it is very liver toxic too and gives diarrhea.
Strength keeps increasing.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is finally gone.Last edited by BJJ; 11-01-2009 at 02:05 PM.
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10-27-2009, 04:12 PM #246
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Strength Update at Day 37 (8 reps by myself): Originally Posted by Trying to bench 200
Anyways, you should keep a log on how your bench is. Its an easy way to tell how much muscle your building. Thanks!
Squat Multipower (legs) 100 kg (220 lbs) NOW 130 kg (286 lbs) +30%
Lat Machine (back) 80 kg (176 lbs) NOW 90 kg (198 lbs) +12,5%
Bench Press with Dumbbells (chest) 30 kg each (66 lbs) NOW 36 kg (79,2) +20%
Military Press with Dumbbells (shoulders) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) NOW 30 kg (66 lbs)+25%
Dumbbells Curls (biceps - seated) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) NOW 30 kg (66 lbs) +25%
Dumbbells Curls (triceps - lying down) 18 kg each (39,6 lbs) NOW 22 kg (48,4 lbs) +22,2%Last edited by BJJ; 10-29-2009 at 04:41 PM.
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10-30-2009, 03:28 PM #248
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I have throughly enjoyed reading your post BJJ. It has been educational. I have a question for you guys.
I am 31 yrs, 15% BF and take in about 1,800 calories a day (looking to drop from 200 to 185). I train BJJ and Muay Thai 4 days a week (in which I am burning close to 4,000 calories a week). I will be starting a cycle of Var ( I only ordered 500Mg) and was thinking of adding Winny to it.
I am not some uneducated kid, I have been a gym rat for over 10 yrs and have a M.S. in Biology and M.Ed. I am just looking for some advise on how to split it up. Ex. 20mg a day to start then up it to 40mg. or 5mg for a week then 10mg a week then 20mg a week. I would just like to know what is the best way to use the 500 mg that I have along with some winny....
Thanks gentleman
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10-30-2009, 04:09 PM #249
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First thank you for noticing my effort. Originally Posted by Batm0n
Then, I believe you need more than 500 mg of var, simply because using a medium dose (the one I am using) of 60 mg ed, in just 8 days you'll ran out of it.
I have no knowledge to answer your question about winny but for sure I tell you what you have ordered is too less, whatever cycle you will accomplish.
Furthermore, what is your height?
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10-30-2009, 06:22 PM #250
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31 yo, 5'10, 200 lbs and 15% bf. Originally Posted by Batm0n
You are very muscled then.
So, assuming your current weight and fat percentage is correct, I believe you eat too less.
Your Imperial BMR should be around 1980 Kcal per day!
You said you are eating 1800 Kcal per day and burning 4000 Kcal weekly with martial arts activities.
Simplifying:
Eat 1800 Kcal per day * 7 = 12600 Kcal weekly
BMR (daily) 1980 Kcal * 7 = 13860 Kcal weekly
MMA = 4000 Kcal weekly
At the end of a week you lose: (12600-13860-4000) = 5260 Kcal (estimate)
Furthemore, I just considered your BMR and MMA activity but I presume you also do other things during a week, so more calories to be burned by your organism.
In just two months I believe you wouldn't be able to train anymore 4 times a week...
I believe you need to review the data you posted and surely, if the data is correct, I advise you NOT to take any AAS, because you do not eat enough.
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11-01-2009, 01:15 PM #252
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Abstract of Article
Efficacy and interactions of oxandrolone, halo-fenate and clofibrate in a factorial study on experimental acute nephrotic hyperlipidemia.
GJ Schapel and KD Edwards
Nephrotic mixed hyperlipidemia may be associated with accelerated coronary artery disease. To investigate the response of experimental nephrotic hyperlipidemia to therapy, a 2(4) factorial study of sodium clofibrate and beta-benzalbutyrate, halofenate and oxandrolone (250, 150, 100 and 10 mg/kg/day, respectively) was carried out. Nephrotic syndrome was induced by a single i.p. injection of puromycin aminonucleoside (90 mg/kg) in 80 female white rats of average weight 160 g. Oxandrolone proved to be significantly hypotriglyceridemic in combined therapy (average fall, 38%; P less than .05), and also lowered serum total cholesterol and phospholipid concentrations (23% and 21% falls, P less than .01) and less than .05), due largely to synergistic interactions with clofibrate-like drugs. Hypocholesteremic effects (23 and 22% average falls) were also significant for halofenate (P less than .01) and clofibrate (P less than .05) . Serum triglyceride levels actually rose significantly (P less than .05) with drug combinations containing beta-benzalbutyrate. Clofibrate and its analogs (halofenate and beta-benzalbutyrate) produced significant hepat*****ly (mean responses of +18, +18 and +10%, respectively) whereas oxandrolone produced significant hepatic shrinkage (-10%)(P less than .05). Secondary effects (drug interactions) were also found; hypotriglyceridemic synergism (effects more than additive) occurred between oxandrolone and clofibrate or its analogs (P less than .05), whereas antagonism (effects less than additive) was observed within the clofibrate-like group (P less than .01 or less .05).
Volume 194, Issue 1, pp. 274-284, 07/01/1975
Copyright © 1975 by American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics
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11-01-2009, 02:24 PM #253
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Ok BJJ, so after reading your original post I decided to stop looking at my digital scale's BF meter and do it with calipers from a friend. My BF is more like 22%. Now just so you know even though my BF is at 22% I roll daily with a world class BJJ team for long periods of time. My cardio is great and I have tremendous core strength. (I am not the fat guy on the mats)....
As for my energy levels, I have been keeping my calories at 1700-1800 (including working out caloric decifits, so days i work our i'm eating about 2400-2600. I have been doing this for about 2 months with only losing about 5lbs. I assume my body is trying to hold onto it's fat in response to my low caloric intake. And I have been really sluggish the last 3 weeks rolling at the gym.
I am thinking I am gonna up my calories to 2,200 and in 2 weeks starting the Var and Whinny along with Milk Thisle, an ***** 3 vitamin and multi vitamin.
I was gonna break it up as follows.
Var
Week 1 - 5mg
Week 2 - 10mg
Week 3 - 15mg
Week 4 - 15mg
Week 5 - 15mg
Week 6 - 15mg
Winny
Week 1 - 40mg
Week 2 - 40mg
Week 3 - 40mg
Week 4 - 40mg
Week 5 - 40mg
Week 6 - 40mg
Do I have to taper off the winny or can I come right off like the Var?
I am not looking to take a large amount of AAS so from the studies I have read 10 mg of Var has shown a decent reduction in trunk body fat.
Thanks BJJ. Ps. Where do you train. I'm on Long Island.
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11-01-2009, 04:36 PM #254
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OK, from your reply it is clear you want to use that amount of var only. Originally Posted by Batm0n
So, your 6 weeks table shows me you have 525 mg of oxandrolone.
If I were you, I would run a 4 week cycle as follows:
15/20/20/20
Regarding the winny, as I said I have no info to share.
You should start your own thread asking for help.
Many people will answer you and you may receive more complete info on the cycle you plan to start.
In my opinion however, the amount of var you want to use is tool less to notice any improvements. You are not a female.
I am in Italy...Last edited by BJJ; 11-01-2009 at 04:39 PM.
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11-01-2009, 04:39 PM #255
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Something else you may want to read about either winny and var:
While injecting test increases Protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of anabolic steroids which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
deca -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - ,Equipoise , anavar , and primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use anabolic steroids like sus, testosterone cypionate , or testosterone enanthate .
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase Joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - anavar or primobolan - methenolone - as the base of your cycle. testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - anavar and primobolan - methenolone - will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week (about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate is a very good drug at giving you everything you want, an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180%, less than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340%, slightly better than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies doenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other anabolic steroids, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:
deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate : 15 days Equipoise: 14 days primobolan: 10.5 days
anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, human growth hormone - somatropin - at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - primobolan - methenolone - anavar and deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - are all good, they increase several biomakers of collagen syn, ie type III, II, I, procollagen markers. gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain anabolic steroids, the decision is up to you.Last edited by BJJ; 11-02-2009 at 05:56 AM.
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11-02-2009, 05:56 AM #256
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11-02-2009, 04:12 PM #258
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Nice log BJJ
I have been following this one for a while as I have been interested in var. I will be doing a 7 week @ 60 per day and have been looking for something to stack with it.
I think you got great results and thank you for the effort.
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11-02-2009, 04:19 PM #259
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Today I got it man. Originally Posted by Western Man
Right now I feel weird, I am seated and it seems the "blood is moving inside my legs" with tremors.
Also my head is very strange, I have to move it otherwise it seems I am going down.
I am having right now a fit of giddiness!
I do not like this feeling.
Perhaps it could be due to the fact that today I brought up for the first time oxandrolone from 60 mg to 80 mg ed.
Hope nothing happens tonight.
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Thanks to you. Originally Posted by Toe.The.Line
Unfortunately, the pics do not give their due.
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11-03-2009, 02:27 AM #261
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The night is over and nothing happened really.
To be sure to sleep I decided to cum yesterday night and as usual it worked.
Though, this morning when I stood up from the bed I was seeeing my forearms trail while moving them. Very weird!
Is was a sort of hallucination.
Anyone experienced this on var or any other aas?
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11-03-2009, 04:07 AM #262
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Blood Analyses After 36 Days of Oxandrolone at 60/70 mg ED
CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl (after: 179) (range 140-220) day 36 (205)
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl (after: 13) (range >=40) day 36 (11)
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 (after: 13,76) (range till 5) day 36 (19,2)
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl (after: 157) (range 130-159, elevated borderline) day 36 (199) (range >190, very elevated)
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl (after: 0,83) (range 0,2-1) day 36 (0,78)
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl (after: 0,1) (range 0,05-0,3) day 36 (0,1)
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl (after: 0,73) (range till 0,7) day 36 (0,68)
CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl (after: 1,2) (range 0,8-1,3) day 36 (1,2)
AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl (after: 62) (range 15-40) day 36 (57)
AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 25-115) day 36 (63)
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr (after: 86) (range 30-65) day 36 (66)
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 15-37) day 36 (50)
GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr (after: 29) (range 15-85) day 36 (28)
INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml (after: 3,6) (range 1,9-23) day 36 (3,04)
IGF1: (184) (range 96-424) day 36 (163)
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml (after: 0,72) (range 1,75-7,81) day 36 (0,61)
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml (after: 5,2) (range 8-47) day 36 (4,8)
SHBG: 38 pg/ml (after: 10) (range 13-71) day 36 (<0,1)
FSH: 2,92 micru/ml (after: 2,09) (range 1,27-19,26) day 36 (2,56)
LH: 3,80 miu/ml (after: 2,19) (range 1,24-8,62) day 36 (2,58)
DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl (after: 209) (range 106-464) day 36 (209,6)
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml (after: <0,1) (range 0,0-10) day 36 (<0,1)
So, my diet have been not so clean from saturated fats in the last 10 days and this could be the explanation for the bad increase of cholesterol LDL, while the HDL remained almost at the same level.
The bilirubins ttl and indirect keep doing their jobs protecting the liver being used by the organism.
I am glad the azotemia went lower and this was due, I think, because I quit drinking those liquid proteins who also made me feel pangs on my lower back just below the right kidney and above the right ilium.
Regarding the transaminases, they both went down closer to the normal range levels.
Both testosterone (ttl and free) kept decreasing while SHBG is gone!
Good news from FHS and LH, which both raised again closer to my normal levels before the cycle being kept both always within the normal ranges.
I read that oxandrolone had to bring up HGH level but in my case it went down.
Any imput is appreciated, as you may know I have no doctor on my back anymore (so far, at least).
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11-03-2009, 09:40 AM #263
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Do you guys think a need a pct with those FSH & LH levels?
Before cycle_____________after 18 days____________after 36 days
FSH: 2,92_______________2,09_______________________2,56
LH: 3,80________________2,19_______________________2,58
They are raising back to normal. Is this due to mesterolone (proviron )?
It should not.
Anyway I was thinking of running 2 weeks clomid 50/50.
Any input...
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6th Week
Day1
60 oxa - 3.436 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Day2
60 oxa - 3.550 Kcal - (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Bursts of Heat
Day3
60 oxa - 3.199 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness
Day4
60 oxa - 3.340 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, 4 mg Loperamide
Day5
60 oxa - 2.799 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, Yellow Skin (left biceps & shoulder), 4 mg Loperamide, 25.000 iu Neomycin
Day6
60 oxa - 3.646 Kcal - (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Tiredness, Yellow Skin, 1 gr Acetylsalicy Acid
Day7
60 oxa - 3.912 Kcal - (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Yellow Skin, 600 mg Acetylcysteine
Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.411
1ST WEEK NOTES
The first week was very hard to go through. No will to eat at all and lots of problem to understand if the diarrhea was due from oxandrolone or liv.52; also I got a persistent sore throat.
The strength increase was considerable, especially on legs and shoulders.
As daily supplements throughout the cycle: (Multi Vitamins/Minerals 1 tb, Vitamin C/Ester 3 gr, EFA complex 6 gr, ALA 600 mg, LIV.52 2 tabs, CLA 4 gr, ZMA, Tribulus Terrestris 3 gr, Chromium Picolinate 400 mcg, Acetyl L-Carnitine 600 mg, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine 35 gr, BCAA 20 gr, MT Gakic Hardcore 8 tbs (only before w/o), UN Animal Flex 1 pckt.
Day 8
60 oxa - 2.415 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite,Tiredness, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 4 mg Loperamide, 600 mg Acetylcysteine
Day 9
60 oxa - 3.400 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite
Day 10
60 oxa - 2.760 Kcal - (Cardio 35’)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite
Day 11
60 oxa - 4.208 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Oxandrolone kicked in
Day 12
60 oxa - 3.332 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Day 13
60 oxa - 3.645 Kcal - (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Day 14
60 oxa - 3.976 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)
Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.392
2ND WEEK NOTES
At day 11 finally Anavar showed me its potentiality by improving my strength incredibly. Not only the power to lift was improved but also the reps needed to exhaust the muscles.
Furthermore, I am starving again especially after the work-outs.
The diarrhea was given by Liv.52. I solved the problem by taking only 1 tab in the morning.
Day 15
60 oxa – 3.698 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region
Day 16
60 oxa – 3.645 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region
Updated Stats (from the beginning):
Body Weight: 94,5 kg (207,9 lbs) +8,62%
Body Fat: 14% +8,52%
Water: 63,6% +0,63%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 77,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +5,17%
(data given by Tanita BC-418)
Day 17
60 oxa – 3.591 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide
Day 18
60 oxa – 3.016 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region
Blood & Urine analyses results to be compared with the ones taken before the cycle.
CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl (after: 179)
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl (after: 13) (range >=40)
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 (after: 13,76) (range till 5)
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl (after: 157) (range 130-159, elevated borderline)
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl (after: 0,83) (range 0,2-1)
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl (after: 0,1) (range 0,05-0,3)
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl (after: 0,73) (range till 0,7)
CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl (after: 1,2) (range 0,8-1,3)
AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl (after: 62) (range 15-40)
AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 25-115)
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr (after: 86) (range 30-65)
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 15-37)
GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr (after: 29) (range 15-85)
INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml (after: 3,6) (range 1,9-23)
IGF1: (184) (range 96-424)
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml (after: 0,72) (range 1,75-7,81)
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml (after: 5,2) (range 8-47)
SHBG: 38 pg/ml (after: 10) (range 13-71)
FSH: 2,92 micru/ml (after: 2,09) (range 1,27-19,26)
LH: 3,80 miu/ml (after: 2,19) (range 1,24-8,62)
DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl (after: 209) (range 106-464)
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml (after: <0,1) (range 0,0-10)
COLOUR: straw-coloured
APPEARANCE: lightly opalescent (after: lightly opalescent) (limpid)
PH REACTION: 5,5 (after: 6)
SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1020 (after: 1016)
PROTEINS: none mg/dl (after: none)
HEMOGLOBIN: none (after: present +) (none)
GLUCOSE: none gr/litre (after: none)
KETONE BODIES: none (after: none)
UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl (after: none)
BILIARY PIGMENTS: none (after: none)
NITRITE: none (after: none)
Day 19
60 oxa – 3.125 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)
Day 20
60 oxa – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, 400 mg Acetylsalicy Acid
Day 21
60 oxa – 3.129 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Headache, 2 gr Paracetamol, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine
Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.362
3RD WEEK NOTES
I understood that the best time to take oxandrolone is after the meals, not before or during, otherwise I get diarrhea and this apart from ingesting Liv.52.
Unfortunately, I got a bit sick yesterday and today is even worse. Every year I suffer from sinusitis which I hope to cure as fast as possible.
In regards of the results of blood analyses above reported, my bilirubin values decreased within the normal range, as expected. Oxandrolone seems "to cure" Gilberts's syndrome (which I have).
Of course, either LDL, HDL and Transaminase went up; as well as azotemia which was already a bit higher and surely it could not start declining during the cycle.
Strangely, creatinine stayed at the same level but this is good in relation with azotemia.
What I do not understand are the values related to LH, FSH and HGH compared with DHEAS. Hopefully my endocrinologist, if not someone in here before, will explain this issue.
Day 22
60 oxa – 5.096 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 10 mg Diazepam
Day 23
60 oxa – 4.003 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), 10 mg Diazepam
Day 24
60 oxa – 3.650 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)
Day 25
60 oxa – 4.021 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)
Day 26
60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.374 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)
Day 27
60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.338 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Libido is Back, Back pain on the lumbar right region
Day 28
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.071 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region
Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.221
4TH WEEK NOTES
Fortunately sinusitis, which I had between day 20/22, went away quickly.
At day 26 I added 3 gr of Tribulus Terrestris daily.
Since also from day 26 I am ingesting Mesterolone, my libido in back and I have very hard erections. Furthermore, I feel I can last longer while having sex.
My daily Kcalories intake was brought up to more than 4.000 (just checking how much fat I will store comparing to when I was eating/training the same, naturally).
This afternoon I underwent a full abdominal echography to see the overall situation and try to figure out if the pang I felt sometimes around my lower back was due to a kidney problem. The response was negative, all the organs are fine and was told it might be a problem related to training, probably a muscular micro-lesion less than 1mm, therefore not visible.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is still there.[/QUOTE]
Day 29
60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.723 Kcal – (Shoulders, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Problems to fall asleep because I took the last tabs of Oxandrolone around midnight, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam, 10 mg Diazepam
Day 30
70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.790 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam
Day 31
70 oxa / 50 mes – 5.999 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region
Day 32
70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.461 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide, 10 mg Diazepam
Day 33
70 oxa / 50 mes – 2.763 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 200 mg Nimesulide, 4 gr Ketoprofen foam
Day 34
70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.321 Kcal – (Chest & Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Day 35
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.973 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide
Updated Stats (from day 16, where I reached with this cycle, my previous natural limit):
Body Weigth: 98,9 kg (217,6 lbs) +4,66%
Body Fat: 14,6% +4,29%
Water: 63,8% +0,31%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 80,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +3,88%
New BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): 2.485 Kcal
(data given by Tanita BC-418)
Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.432
5TH WEEK NOTES
So, in 19 days I took 6,6 lbs of lean mass (estimate) while fat increased a bit more but still under control (considering also I am not eating low glycemic index carbs at all) and water kept at the same value.
I would say so far, oxandrolone is showing its ability to increase the lean mass controlling either the fat and the water.
I am quite satisfied because I think I can easily go down to 12% bf retaining most of the lean mass acquired. I will act so the last ten days of the cycle. Till that time, I want to continue eating that much calories and proteins. Perhaps I can start eating more oats instead of pasta and rice!!!
At day 30 I started to ingest 10 mg more of Oxandrolone daily, for a total of 70 mg.
At day 35 I went back to 60 mg since I noticed no differences at all and the back pain on the lumbar right region came back again in a vigorous way. I am getting tired of this also because in spite of the echography I took lastly (which was fine), the pain is always there and seems to get worse after I ingest Oxandrolone. I had no possibility, as previously stated, to go taking blood analyses a few days ago, but I’ll go tomorrow morning. I want to see if the values related to the liver and the kidneys have stabilized or not. In negative case, it could be an explanation for the pain. Surely, I cannot keep taking nimesulide to get rid of the pain since it is very liver toxic too and gives diarrhea.
Strength keeps increasing.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is finally gone.
Day 36
70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.640 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil
CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl (after: 179) (range 140-220) day 36 (205)
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl (after: 13) (range >=40) day 36 (11)
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 (after: 13,76) (range till 5) day 36 (19,2)
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl (after: 157) (range 130-159, elevated borderline) day 36 (199) (range >190, very elevated)
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl (after: 0,83) (range 0,2-1) day 36 (0,78)
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl (after: 0,1) (range 0,05-0,3) day 36 (0,1)
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl (after: 0,73) (range till 0,7) day 36 (0,68)
CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl (after: 1,2) (range 0,8-1,3) day 36 (1,2)
AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl (after: 62) (range 15-40) day 36 (57)
AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 25-115) day 36 (63)
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr (after: 86) (range 30-65) day 36 (66)
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 15-37) day 36 (50)
GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr (after: 29) (range 15-85) day 36 (28)
INSULIN: 3,34 micru/ml (after: 3,6) (range 1,9-23) day 36 (3,04)
IGF1: (184) (range 96-424) day 36 (163)
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml (after: 0,72) (range 1,75-7,81) day 36 (0,61)
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml (after: 5,2) (range 8-47) day 36 (4,8)
SHBG: 38 pg/ml (after: 10) (range 13-71) day 36 (<0,1)
FSH: 2,92 micru/ml (after: 2,09) (range 1,27-19,26) day 36 (2,56)
LH: 3,80 miu/ml (after: 2,19) (range 1,24-8,62) day 36 (2,58)
DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl (after: 209) (range 106-464) day 36 (209,6)
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml (after: <0,1) (range 0,0-10) day 36 (<0,1)
Day 37
70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.511 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 100 mg Nimesulide
Day 38
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Day 39
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.042 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: 10 mg Diazepam
Day 40
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.046 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Day 41
80 oxa / 50 mes – 4.050 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (several hours)
Day 42
60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.824 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (just a few minutes)
Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.635
6TH WEEK NOTES
On day 41 I tried to raise the input from Oxandrolone by ingesting 20 mg more, for a total of 80 mg. The results were dizziness and confusion. The morning after I felt also some kind of hallucination and both yesterday and today the diarrhea came back. I decided not to push my luck and from day 42 I went back to 60 mg ed. After all, I had good results so far and see no reasons to screw everything up.
This week I ate a bit less to see if I could obtain a better definition but I also had the possibility to work-out only two days, so this made my effort fruitless.
Regarding my sperm, I realized it is more viscous than before and it seems also heavier.
Wondering if PCT is required since both LH and FSH are (and always were) within the normal ranges.Last edited by BJJ; 11-03-2009 at 04:53 PM.
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11-04-2009, 04:18 AM #266
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Proviron (Mesterolone)
Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Proviron (Mesterolone)
(Mesterolone)
[1 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one]
Molecular Weight: 304.4716
Molecular Formula: C20H32O2
Melting Point: N/A
Manufacturer: Schering
Release Date: 1960
Effective Dose: 25-200mgs/day
Active Life: up to 12 hours
Detection Time: 5-6weeks
Androgenic : Anabolic Ratio:30-40/100-150
Proviron (mesterolone) is basically an orally active DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) preparation. For comparision, we can think of some other orally prepared DHT compounds like Winstrol , Anavar , etc… Those both act very similarly in mechanism to Proviron, but a more accurate way to think of this compound is as something like “Oral Masteron .” As I’m sure you noticed, their anabolic/androgenic ratio is very similar.Remember, DHT is 3 to 4 times as androgenic as testosterone and is, of course, incapable of forming estrogen. Also, Proviron is quite unique in that a simple look at it’s 4-ring structure will show us that it is not going to be too liver toxic, since it is not c17-Alpha-Alkylated, as many orals are…this modification (lacking in Proviron) makes drugs more liver toxic. Proviron has a 1-metyhl group added, instead. Looks pretty great on paper, right? Well, as usual, things tend to look better on paper than they do in the body. Your body has a negative feedback loop which prevents your body from having too much DHT floating around(if you’ve been paying attention up to now from reading my other stuff, you already know this). An excess of DHT will eventually be changed into another (largely not anabolic) compound.
And of course, being a DHT-based compound, this stuff isn't going to be great for female athletes to use. Virilization (development of male sexual characteristics) is going to be a concern for women daring enough to try this stuff. My advice is that there is much better, safer compounds for female athletes and bodybuilders to use.
So lets go back to the comparison with being some sort of “Oral Masteron”…basically since Proviron is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, and also has a very high affinity for binding to the aromatase enzyme (the enzyme responsible for converting all that good testosterone in your body into all that nasty estrogen). That means if you choose to take proviron with testosterone (and I know you wouldn’t even be doing a cycle without including some form of testosterone) and/or any aromatizable steroid , it should actually serve to prevent estrogen build up by the aforementioned binding to the aromatase enzyme, which prevents aromatase from doing it’s dirty work and making a bunch of estrogen out of the other steroids you are taking. It should also be noted that Proviron also binds very well to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin…a hormone responsible for reducing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body)(1). As a matter of fact, in the last study I read, it bound to SHBG better than any other drug studied. Also, I’d like to note that Proviron bound to the Anabolic Receptor better than any oral anabolic (except for the insanely toxic MethylTrienolone ), having an ability to bind to the AR better then testosterone, but not as well as Nandrolone (1). Unfortunately, as we know, DHT also has a high affinity for binding to receptors in the scalp and prostate, causing some possible nasty side effects, like male pattern baldness and prostate enlargement. It’s important to remember that DHT and DHT derived compounds are used quite successfully to treat gynocomastia, and in this area, Proviron is no different.
Lets delve into some of the positive points of this drug before we go any farther. Androgen Receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(5), and whilethey act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning.(9)(3) The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue(6)(2). As if that’s not enough good news, some steroids (notably, testosterone) even increase the numbers of A.R. in muscle and fat (9)(7). Thus, if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, you’ll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an “ideal” stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other.
So what we have here is a steroid which can basically make other steroids more effective by preventing their conversion into estrogen, as well as increasing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body. This of course all provides a more hardened and quality look to muscles. Proviron is very much a “synergistic” drug in this respect, and it’s inclusion in any cycle would definitely make all of the other steroids perform better, and provide better gains. This is all compounded by the fact that proviron is a very lipolytic (fat-burning) drug.
Now, as if all of this weren’t enough, lets talk about how Proviron affects your HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis)…the thing that regulates the male hormonal system. When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive “bridge” between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels…you want those to remain low).(8).
Unfortunately, this stuff is not too hot on it’s own. It’s a good drug for inclusion in a cycle containing testosterone and other armoatizable steroids, and it’s a good drug for a possible “bridge” between cycles. Alone, however, as an androgenic or anabolic agent, it’s effects have been very weak in both studies (9), as well as in the experience of everyone I spoke to about it. This may be due to the addition of the 1-methyl-group to DHT, which makes this stuff orally active. Whatever the case, as a stand alone anabolic or androgenic compound, it’s not too impressive.
This drug is a rare find on the American Black Market, and many Underground Labs don't even produce it, but if you can find it, I’d say that you shouldn’t be paying more than .50cents for each 50mg tab.
References:
1. Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin.Endocrinology. 1984 Jun;114(6):2100-6.
2. APMIS. 2000 Dec;108(12):838-46.
3. (Xu X, et al. "The effects of androgens on the regulation of lipolysis in adipose precursor cells." Endocrinology 1990 Feb;126(2):1229 ).
4. J Anim Sci. 1992 Nov;70(11):3381-90.
5. Am J Physiol. 1998 Jun;274(6 Pt 1):C1645-52.
6. The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988 Feb;26(1):121-8.
7. J Appl. Physiol.94 1153-61 2003
8. Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.
9. [Androgen substitution in the andrological disease picture]
Andrologia. 1983 May-Jun;15(3):283-6. German.
10.The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study).
Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 1984 Jun;6(6):331-7.Last edited by BJJ; 11-04-2009 at 04:24 AM.
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Clomid (Clomiphine Citrate)
Anabolic review Profile: Clomid (Clomiphine Citrate)
(Clomiphine Citrate)
Clomid is a drug given to women for use as a fertility aid. It is a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) which acts by actually binding to the estrogen receptor and thereby blocking estrogen from doing the same. Clearly, this is advantageous when it binds to breast tissue, and prevents estrogen from binding there to cause gynocomastia (although it is not nearly as effective as nolvadex for this purpose). It also opposes the negative feedback loop that the body has with regards to estrogen and the HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis), and this in turn stimulates LH (Leutenizing Hormone) and FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone). LH and FSH, in turn stimulate the release of testosterone . Clearly this is advantageous to bodybuilders and athletes coming off of a cycle, and beginning their post-cycle-therapy. What we have in Clomid is essentially a drug that acts as a preventative measure against gynocomastia, as well as a drug that acts to raise endogenous (natural) testosterone levels . Usually, it is compared with another SERM, Nolvadex, for those reasons.
Clomid, however, is much weaker than nolvadex in a mg for mg comparison, with roughly 150mgs of clomid being equal to 20mgs of nolvadex (1).It should be noted, however, that 150mgs of clomid will still raise testosterone levels to approximately 150% of baseline value(1). You don’t have to use 150mgs, however; In my research, I’ve found that doses as low as 50mgs will show improvements and elevations in testosterone levels (4). In fact, my original Post-Cycle-Therapy regime (as suggested by Dan Duchaine in the original Underground Steroid Handbook) was 100mgs per day for a week and 50mgs/day for a week. Don’t laugh…for the late 90’s,when most anabolic steroid users didn’t even know how to use Clomid, it was considered a “state of the art” PCT routine. I suspect that Duchaine originally introduced this compound to the steroid using community.
Clomid, just like nolvadex, is very safe for long term treatment of lowered testosterone levels (2), with some studies showing it’s safety and efficacy for up to four months. And post-cycle, when steroid users are suffering form lowered testosterone levels, is when clomid is most effective.
I used to run Clomid for about 3 weeks post cycle, at 100-150mgs. Any more than that, and I experience emotional side effects (no, really…) due to the excess amount of circulating estrogen I have in my body. All of that extra estrogen tends to make me moody, and it gets hard to squeeze workouts and cardio in-between reruns of “Sex & the City” (ok, I’m exaggerating).
A problem arose during a very aggressive Clomid PCT routine once. I was taking pretty high doses (150mgs/day) of clomid for an extended time (over a month) and was having vision issues. When I looked into the subject more closely, this was a common occurrence with steroid.com members. Upon further investigation, I found out the optic neuropathy (a fancy way of saying “vision problems”) was actually very common with clomid usage (5)(6).Since I already wear contact lenses, I’ve had to remove Clomid from my PCT routine.
Clomid as of late has fallen out of favor for post-cycle routines, but if you aren’t prone to vision problems or emotional issues, then it is just as good as nolvadex for raising testosterone when appropriate doses are used. I recommend using 150mgs/day for ten days, and decreasing the dose by 50mgs every ten days until you’re finished at day 30. Many of the bodybuilders and athletes I've spoken to have used it in a similar fashion and found that it restores their testosterone levels to normal.
This drug is widely available from many research supply companies, generally in liquid form, as well as from most Underground Labs who produce their own version of it in capsules. In either case, you shouldn't be paying more than $1 per 50-100mgs of it (generally this is 2 caps or 1-2mls of the liquid stuff).
References:
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1. Fertil Steril. 1978 Mar;29(3):320-7.
2. Int J Impot Res. 2003 Jun;15(3):156-65.
3. Understanding sex biases in immunity: effects of estrogen on the differentiation and function of antigen-presenting cells.
Immunol Res. 2005;31(2):91-106.
4. The effects of normal aging on the response of the pituitary-gonadal axis to chronic clomiphene administration in men. J Androl 1991 Jul-Aug;12(4):258-63
5. Optic neuropathy associated with clomiphene citrate therapy.
Fertil Steril. 1994 Feb;61(2):390-1
6. Visual disturbance secondary to clomiphene citrate.
Arch Ophthalmol. 1995 Apr;113(4):482-4.
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11-04-2009, 04:22 AM #269
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Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
Anabolic Review Profile: Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
(Tamoxifen Citrate)
This drug is used as a first line defense against breast cancer. In the late 80’s, Dan Duchaine speculated that it could also be used by bodybuilders to halt the development of another type of tumor in the mammary gland…Gynocomastia. He introduced this find to the Steroid -using-community in his “Contest Prep” issue of the UnderGround Steroid Handbook Update Newsletters (the contest prep-issue was actually 3 issues in one, for those who had a subscription to the newsletter).
Nolvadex is commonly referred to in quite a few ways: as a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator), as an anti-estrogen (that is actually incorrect, as we will later see), and finally as a triphenylethylene. I happen to stick with calling Nolvadex a SERM, because out of my three options, it happens to be correct (as we know that calling it an anti-estrogen is incorrect), and pronouncable (as we know that I have no idea how to say "triphenylethylene") . Selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) act as either estrogen receptor agonists or antagonists in a tissue-selective manner…lets see what that means to us…
Nolvadex actually has quite a few applications for the steroid using athlete. First and foremost, it’s most common use is for the prevention of gynocomastia. Nolvadex does this by actually competing for the receptor site in breast tissue, and binding to it. Thus, we can safely say that the effect of tamoxifen is through estrogen receptor blockade of breast tissue (1)…especially since total body estradiol increases with use of tamoxifen. Clearly, if you are on a cycle which includes steroids which convert to estrogen, you may want to consider nolvadex as a good choice to run along side them.
Nolvadex, however, is not the most potent ancillary compound we can use on a cycle, but it is probably the safest considering it doesn’t actually reduce estrogen in your body Keeping some estrogen floating around could have many benefits on muscle growth, as well. Estrogen is also important for a properly functioning immune system, and not only that, but your lipid profile (both HDL and LDL) should also show marked improvement with administration of tamoxifen (4). Many bodybuilders actually use this stuff during their cycle for the health benefits provided by it. If, however, you are preparing for a bodybuilding contest, you need to use something which will suck most (if not all) of the estrogen out of your body. I am speculating that you may be able to use Nolvadex for the majority of a contest prep cycle, to keep yourself relatively healthy, and then switch over to Letrozole for the last 8 weeks.
Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (5)...and this would of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take Nolvadex after a cycle, when you are trying to raise your levels of testosterone , LH, and FSH back to normal, it will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks.
Some of the more harsh ancillary compounds available today will give you a more “dry” look that nolvadex can’t, but nolvadex is simply safer to use in long (over 16 week) cycles.
Unfortunately, Nolvadex isn’t perfect. Anecdotally, it has been linked to reduced gains in some bodybuilders. This isn’t due, as previously thought, to its reducing estrogen levels (which it doesn’t), but rather to it’s ability to possibly reduce IGF (Insulin -like-Growth-Factor) levels, which are important for muscle growth.
Personally, I’ve had many successful cycles with nolvadex as well as without, but I can certainly testify to it’s effectiveness in preventing gynocomastia. Back in the late 90’s I purchased 30 tabs of 10mg Nolvadex for $30, and recently I have found it for much less on various internet sites. It’s well worth the money.
References:
1. Klin Padiatr. 1987 Nov-Dec;199(6):389-91.
2. Stimulation of calcitonin secretory capacity by increased serum levels of testosterone in men treated with tamoxifen. Int J Androl. 1987 Dec;10(6):747-51.
3. Hormonal changes in tamoxifen treated men with idiopathic oligozoospermia Exp Clin Endocrinol. 1988 Dec;92(2):211-6.
4. 2 Bruning PF, Bronfer JMG, Hart AAM, Jong-Bakker M, tamoxifen, serum lipoproteins and cardiovascular risk, Br. J. Cancer 1988 Oct, 58 (4) 497-9
5. Fertil Steril. 1978 Mar;29(3):320-7.
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11-04-2009, 08:08 AM #270
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Can someone be more stupid than me? I guess NOT!!!
This morning instead of ingesting 30 mg oxandrolone (3 tabs) and 25 mg mesterolone (1 tab) I took CLOMID.
They have the same blister, so I took 150 mg of it and I wondered why I was having a sort of diarrhea during this morning.
I took now 40 mg oxa and 25 mes.
At dinner, I'll take the last 20 mg of oxa.
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11-04-2009, 08:10 AM #271
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I decided to end this cycle one week before, so at the 7th.
Today is the first day of the last week, then I'll start a pct with nolva only probably; unless the blood work I'll take on the 7th, will differ from the last one.
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11-04-2009, 08:11 AM #272
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HaHaHaHaHa! ..Hall of sjame .... Originally Posted by BJJ
Can someone be more stupid than me? I guess NOT!!!
This morning instead of ingesting 30 mg oxandrolone (3 tabs) and 25 mg mesterolone (1 tab) I took CLOMID.
They have the same blister, so I took 150 mg of it and I wondered why I was having a sort of diarrhea during this morning.
I took now 40 mg oxa and 25 mes.
At dinner, I'll take the last 20 mg of oxa.
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11-04-2009, 08:37 AM #273
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awesome info thanks for sharing
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11-04-2009, 09:13 AM #274
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do you mean my BS or my thread? Originally Posted by lock123
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11-04-2009, 06:45 PM #275
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Great tread. Im in a 10 days or so anavar 60mg ed only side is bad gas.oh well... Strength is way up and takes longer to burn out at the gym, body weight is up 5 lbs. Pct necessary for anavar?
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11-04-2009, 07:40 PM #276
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Yes, clomid and nolva Originally Posted by laveycraft
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11-05-2009, 02:52 AM #277
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Check post 2 on this thread. Originally Posted by laveycraft
PCT, IMO, should be organized upon blood work at the end of your cycle.
In any case, clomiphene and tamoxifen are the compounds to look for.
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11-05-2009, 02:58 AM #278
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Can someone be more stupid than me? I guess NOT!!!
This morning instead of ingesting 30 mg oxandrolone (3 tabs) and 25 mg mesterolone (1 tab) I took CLOMID.
They have the same blister, so I took 150 mg of it and I wondered why I was having a sort of diarrhea during this morning.
I took now 40 mg oxa and 25 mes.
At dinner, I'll take the last 20 mg of oxa.
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Weren't you on WKD's down the park with your mates?
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Those were the days. Long time ago for you though, right?
My AST/lipids were fine, so I kept on increasing the dose as I went on.
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11-05-2009, 11:27 AM #279
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Last week has begun and I decided to try increasing mesterolone up to 75 mg ed, to see if I notice anything different.
The strength increase stopped, I cannot go any further since a week even because I work-out alone, it is such a pity.
In this last week I decided to cut the total daily Kcalories of 1000, reducing carbs but increasing proteins, keeping the fats at the same level.
I want to see how my body reacts on this, especially when I work-out.
The vascularization (while working-out) has been "nice" I would say, nothing amazing.
Actually, I knew this already since my daily ingestion of Kcalories have been very high compared to what I was burning throughout the day.
So, no veins on my chest.
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