ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

[BJJ]

Today I added 10 mg of oxa.
So, I have till the end var 70 mg and pro 75 mg, ed.
I am already feeling some dizziness.

[BJJ]

I decide to keep going one more week as per the original plan.
After all my blood work at day 36 was getting better from the first one taken at day 18, so I see no reason to give up earlier.
The dizziness went away the day after I felt it.

Regarding the LH and FSH, both values while taking also mesterolone, increased back but no one was able to tell me if that happened because of proviron intake, and did not find any study related to that subject.
So, from next Wednesday, my 8th week will start and I am going to take only anavar , decreasing the intake to 60 mg ed.
Then, by the end of that week I will take a a new blood work to check the values again and decide the pct. I am curious to see if both LH and FSH will start declining once again.
So far, it would be nolva only 40/20/20.

[PO OFFICER]

Have you considered clomid also for you pct? something like 100/50/50

[PO OFFICER]

Great tread. Im in a 10 days or so anavar 60mg ed only side is bad gas.oh well... Strength is way up and takes longer to burn out at the gym, body weight is up 5 lbs. Pct necessary for anavar?

Not really. Anavar is a really mild anabolic steroid . However, you could always take some clomid. That's what I do

[BJJ]

Have you considered clomid also for you pct? something like 100/50/50

Yes I did but I was advised not to take it because either my LH and FSH are within the normal ranges.
So, a mild pct for a mild cycle.

[BJJ]

I have been following this one for a while as I have been interested in var. I will be doing a 7 week @ 60 per day and have been looking for something to stack with it.
I think you got great results and thank you for the effort.

I am sorry man I just remembered about your post.
The day you posted it was also the day I felt bad for the first time during this cycle and in order to handle the situation I forgot to reply to you.
I apologize, so I do it now if still interested.

Basically you will do my cycle, just one week less.
As you may have seen on post 2, I stacked mesterolone with oxandrolone for its SHBG properties.
I did not expect to see my LH and FSH to raise back during the cycle and my concern is now if it was due to proviron .
If you have read my previous post, you know I have expectations from my final blood work before my pct.

I would not be able to suggest you any other compound to stack with anavar because I have no other experiences.

Good Luck for your cycle.

[elpropiotorvic]

Try to pm musclescience with the proviron question

[BJJ]

Try to pm musclescience with the proviron question

Thank you for your advice.

[BJJ]

Day1
60 oxa - 3.436 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day2
60 oxa - 3.550 Kcal - (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Bursts of Heat

Day3
60 oxa - 3.199 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness

Day4
60 oxa - 3.340 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, 4 mg Loperamide

Day5
60 oxa - 2.799 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, Yellow Skin (left biceps & shoulder), 4 mg Loperamide, 25.000 iu Neomycin

Day6
60 oxa - 3.646 Kcal - (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Tiredness, Yellow Skin, 1 gr Acetylsalicy Acid

Day7
60 oxa - 3.912 Kcal - (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Yellow Skin, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.411

1ST WEEK NOTES
The first week was very hard to go through. No will to eat at all and lots of problem to understand if the diarrhea was due from oxandrolone or liv.52; also I got a persistent sore throat.
The strength increase was considerable, especially on legs and shoulders.
As daily supplements throughout the cycle: (Multi Vitamins/Minerals 1 tb, Vitamin C/Ester 3 gr, EFA complex 6 gr, ALA 600 mg, LIV.52 2 tabs, CLA 4 gr, ZMA, Tribulus Terrestris 3 gr, Chromium Picolinate 400 mcg, Acetyl L-Carnitine 600 mg, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine 35 gr, BCAA 20 gr, MT Gakic Hardcore 8 tbs (only before w/o), UN Animal Flex 1 pckt.

Day 8
60 oxa - 2.415 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite,Tiredness, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 4 mg Loperamide, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Day 9
60 oxa - 3.400 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 10
60 oxa - 2.760 Kcal - (Cardio 35’)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 11
60 oxa - 4.208 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Oxandrolone kicked in

Day 12
60 oxa - 3.332 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 13
60 oxa - 3.645 Kcal - (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 14
60 oxa - 3.976 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.392

2ND WEEK NOTES
At day 11 finally Anavar showed me its potentiality by improving my strength incredibly. Not only the power to lift was improved but also the reps needed to exhaust the muscles.
Furthermore, I am starving again especially after the work-outs.
The diarrhea was given by Liv.52. I solved the problem by taking only 1 tab in the morning.

Day 15
60 oxa – 3.698 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 16
60 oxa – 3.645 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Updated Stats (from the beginning):

Body Weight: 94,5 kg (207,9 lbs) +8,62%
Body Fat: 14% +8,52%
Water: 63,6% +0,63%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 77,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +5,17%

(data given by Tanita BC-418)

Day 17
60 oxa – 3.591 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide

Day 18
60 oxa – 3.016 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Blood & Urine analyses results to be compared with the ones taken before the cycle.

CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl (after: 179)
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl (after: 13) (range >=40)
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 (after: 13,76) (range till 5)
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl (after: 157) (range 130-159, elevated borderline)
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl (after: 0,83) (range 0,2-1)
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl (after: 0,1) (range 0,05-0,3)
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl (after: 0,73) (range till 0,7)
CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl (after: 1,2) (range 0,8-1,3)
AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl (after: 62) (range 15-40)
AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 25-115)
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr (after: 86) (range 30-65)
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 15-37)
GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr (after: 29) (range 15-85)
INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml (after: 3,6) (range 1,9-23)
IGF1: (184) (range 96-424)
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml (after: 0,72) (range 1,75-7,81)
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml (after: 5,2) (range 8-47)
SHBG: 38 pg/ml (after: 10) (range 13-71)
FSH: 2,92 micru/ml (after: 2,09) (range 1,27-19,26)
LH: 3,80 miu/ml (after: 2,19) (range 1,24-8,62)
DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl (after: 209) (range 106-464)
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml (after: <0,1) (range 0,0-10)

COLOUR: straw-coloured
APPEARANCE: lightly opalescent (after: lightly opalescent) (limpid)
PH REACTION: 5,5 (after: 6)
SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1020 (after: 1016)
PROTEINS: none mg/dl (after: none)
HEMOGLOBIN: none (after: present +) (none)
GLUCOSE: none gr/litre (after: none)
KETONE BODIES: none (after: none)
UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl (after: none)
BILIARY PIGMENTS: none (after: none)
NITRITE: none (after: none)


Day 19
60 oxa – 3.125 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 20
60 oxa – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, 400 mg Acetylsalicy Acid

Day 21
60 oxa – 3.129 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Headache, 2 gr Paracetamol, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.362

3RD WEEK NOTES
I understood that the best time to take oxandrolone is after the meals, not before or during, otherwise I get diarrhea and this apart from ingesting Liv.52.
Unfortunately, I got a bit sick yesterday and today is even worse. Every year I suffer from sinusitis which I hope to cure as fast as possible.
In regards of the results of blood analyses above reported, my bilirubin values decreased within the normal range, as expected. Oxandrolone seems "to cure" Gilberts's syndrome (which I have).
Of course, either LDL, HDL and Transaminase went up; as well as azotemia which was already a bit higher and surely it could not start declining during the cycle.
Strangely, creatinine stayed at the same level but this is good in relation with azotemia.
What I do not understand are the values related to LH, FSH and HGH compared with DHEAS. Hopefully my endocrinologist, if not someone in here before, will explain this issue.

Day 22
60 oxa – 5.096 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 23
60 oxa – 4.003 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), 10 mg Diazepam

Day 24
60 oxa – 3.650 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 25
60 oxa – 4.021 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 26
60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.374 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 27
60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.338 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Libido is Back, Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 28
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.071 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.221

4TH WEEK NOTES
Fortunately sinusitis, which I had between day 20/22, went away quickly.
At day 26 I added 3 gr of Tribulus Terrestris daily.
Since also from day 26 I am ingesting Mesterolone, my libido in back and I have very hard erections. Furthermore, I feel I can last longer while having sex.
My daily Kcalories intake was brought up to more than 4.000 (just checking how much fat I will store comparing to when I was eating/training the same, naturally).
This afternoon I underwent a full abdominal echography to see the overall situation and try to figure out if the pang I felt sometimes around my lower back was due to a kidney problem. The response was negative, all the organs are fine and was told it might be a problem related to training, probably a muscular micro-lesion less than 1mm, therefore not visible.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is still there.[/QUOTE]

Day 29

60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.723 Kcal – (Shoulders, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Problems to fall asleep because I took the last tabs of Oxandrolone around midnight, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 30

70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.790 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam

Day 31

70 oxa / 50 mes – 5.999 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 32

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.461 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 33

70 oxa / 50 mes – 2.763 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 200 mg Nimesulide, 4 gr Ketoprofen foam

Day 34

70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.321 Kcal – (Chest & Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 35

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.973 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide

Updated Stats (from day 16, where I reached with this cycle, my previous natural limit):

Body Weight: 98,9 kg (217,6 lbs) +4,66%
Body Fat: 14,6% +4,29%
Water: 63,8% +0,31%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 80,3 kg (176,66 lbs) +3,88%

New BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): 2.485 Kcal
(data given by Tanita BC-418)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.432

5TH WEEK NOTES
So, in 19 days I took 6,6 lbs of lean mass (estimate) while fat increased a bit more but still under control (considering also I am not eating low glycemic index carbs at all) and water kept at the same value.
I would say so far, oxandrolone is showing its ability to increase the lean mass controlling either the fat and the water.
I am quite satisfied because I think I can easily go down to 12% bf retaining most of the lean mass acquired. I will act so the last ten days of the cycle. Till that time, I want to continue eating that much calories and proteins. Perhaps I can start eating more oats instead of pasta and rice!!!

At day 30 I started to ingest 10 mg more of Oxandrolone daily, for a total of 70 mg.
At day 35 I went back to 60 mg since I noticed no differences at all and the back pain on the lumbar right region came back again in a vigorous way. I am getting tired of this also because in spite of the echography I took lastly (which was fine), the pain is always there and seems to get worse after I ingest Oxandrolone. I had no possibility, as previously stated, to go taking blood analyses a few days ago, but I’ll go tomorrow morning. I want to see if the values related to the liver and the kidneys have stabilized or not. In negative case, it could be an explanation for the pain. Surely, I cannot keep taking nimesulide to get rid of the pain since it is very liver toxic too and gives diarrhea.
Strength keeps increasing.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is finally gone.

Day 36

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.640 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl (after: 179) (range 140-220) day 36 (205)
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl (after: 13) (range >=40) day 36 (11)
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 (after: 13,76) (range till 5) day 36 (19,2)
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl (after: 157) (range 130-159, elevated borderline) day 36 (199) (range >190, very elevated)
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl (after: 0,83) (range 0,2-1) day 36 (0,78)
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl (after: 0,1) (range 0,05-0,3) day 36 (0,1)
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl (after: 0,73) (range till 0,7) day 36 (0,68)
CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl (after: 1,2) (range 0,8-1,3) day 36 (1,2)
AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl (after: 62) (range 15-40) day 36 (57)
AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 25-115) day 36 (63)
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr (after: 86) (range 30-65) day 36 (66)
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr (after: 55) (range 15-37) day 36 (50)
GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr (after: 29) (range 15-85) day 36 (28)

INSULIN: 3,34 micru/ml (after: 3,6) (range 1,9-23) day 36 (3,04)
IGF1: (184) (range 96-424) day 36 (163)
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml (after: 0,72) (range 1,75-7,81) day 36 (0,61)
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml (after: 5,2) (range 8-47) day 36 (4,8)
SHBG: 38 pg/ml (after: 10) (range 13-71) day 36 (<0,1)
FSH: 2,92 micru/ml (after: 2,09) (range 1,27-19,26) day 36 (2,56)
LH: 3,80 miu/ml (after: 2,19) (range 1,24-8,62) day 36 (2,58)
DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl (after: 209) (range 106-464) day 36 (209,6)
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml (after: <0,1) (range 0,0-10) day 36 (<0,1)

Day 37

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.511 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 100 mg Nimesulide

Day 38

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 39

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.042 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: 10 mg Diazepam

Day 40

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.046 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 41

80 oxa / 50 mes – 4.050 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (several hours)

Day 42

60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.824 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (just a few minutes)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.635

6TH WEEK NOTES
On day 41 I tried to raise the input from Oxandrolone by ingesting 20 mg more, for a total of 80 mg. The results were dizziness and confusion. The morning after I felt also some kind of hallucination and both yesterday and today the diarrhea came back. I decided not to push my luck and from day 42 I went back to 60 mg ed. After all, I had good results so far and see no reasons to screw everything up.
This week I ate a bit less to see if I could obtain a better definition but I also had the possibility to work-out only two days, so this made my effort fruitless.
Regarding my sperm, I realized it is more viscous than before and it seems also heavier.
Wondering if PCT is required since both LH and FSH are (and always were) within the normal ranges.

Day 43

60 oxa / 50 mes – 2.637 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Took 150 mg of Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) by mistake

Day 44

60 oxa / 75 mes – 2.659 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 45

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.511 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil
+0.10 oxa

Day 46

70 oxa / 75 mes – 3.373 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 47

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.754 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat/Ears/Head, 2 gr Paracetamol

Day 48

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.564 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat/Ears, 2 gr Paracetamol

Day 49

70 oxa / 75 mes – 3.237 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat, 2 gr Paracetamol

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 2.819

7TH WEEK NOTES
On day 43, I wrongly took 150 mg of Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) at breakfast. I had an intestine discomfort, which lasted the entire morning.
On day 44, I raised the Mesterolone (Proviron ) daily intake of about 0,25 mg.
On day 45, I raised the Oxandrolone (Anavar) daily intake of about 0,10 mg.
I did not notice any improvement of any sort.
I figure out that strength increase ceased, even though I have not pushed to the limit to avoid injuries since I work-out in solitude.
This week I lowered my daily Kcalories intake because I realized I was putting on too much fat. I should be now back to 14% or less maybe, while by the end of last week I surely was above 15%.
In any case, in the next weekend I am going to check my stats again.
In the following and last week (8th), I am going to lower the daily intake of anavar down to 60 mg while starting from tomorrow morning I shall not ingest proviron anymore.
I need to see if mesterolone is related to the upsurge of my LH and FSH values. So, next Saturday I shall take the last blood work on cycle and accordingly, I set up the proper pct.

[BJJ]

Not really. Anavar is a really mild anabolic steroid . However, you could always take some clomid. That's what I do

Have you ever checked your blood before pct?

[im9boss]

ok so this may be a dumb question but im a newbie. Can you tell me why your doing PCT with var? i've read PCT is unecessary with var?

[BJJ]

ok so this may be a dumb question but im a newbie. Can you tell me why your doing PCT with var? i've read PCT is unecessary with var?

Check the first page of this thread, post 2.
I just finished updating it, you can easily see the differences occurred in some of my values related to testosterone and its endogenous production.

A pct is required to help the organism to raise back test ttl, test free and shbg, mostly but not only. Without a proper pct, you may obtain anyway (or may not) those values back but in a longer period of time but, probably, losing what accomplished in terms of lean mass and strength.

In my experience, whoever told you pct with var is not required, gave you a wrong information.

[kaigab]

Very interesting thread. It should be in pubmed even if i am biased as italian as well

Question: any update on blood work and final results?

I am still suprised of LH and FSH beeing in ok range while test beeing down to almost zero.

[BJJ]

Very interesting thread. It should be in pubmed even if i am biased as italian as well

Question: any update on blood work and final results?

I am still suprised of LH and FSH beeing in ok range while test beeing down to almost zero.

Thanks...

Not only blood work but also sperm which I took two days ago and blood, today.
Next Tuesday my cycle will be over and from Wednesday I start the pct.
So, next Tuesday I will post the values and my final conclusion on the "bulking" period.

Regarding LH and FSH, I was surprised too!
Perhaps mesterolone helped? I'll see soon.

[BJJ]

SPERM
VOLUME: 2,8 ml [>= 2]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _2,5
PH: 8,1 [7,2-8]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______7,2
APPEARANCE: own_______________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______own
VISCOSITY: increased + [within limits]__________________________________________________ _____________________________________within limits
FLUIDIFICATION 45': finely irregular [physiologic]__________________________________________________ ____________________________physiologic
SPERMATOZOON CONCENTRATION: 89.000.000 /ml [>= 20.000.000]__________________________________________________ _____________42.000.000
EJACULATE SPERMATOZOON COUNT: 249.200.000 [>= 40.000.000]__________________________________________________ ______________105.000.000
2ND HOUR MOTILITY: 60 % [>= 50 %]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________45
TYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 30 % [>= 35 %]__________________________________________________ _____________________28
ATYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 70 %_________________________________________________ _______________________________72
LEUCOCYTE: 300.000 /ml [<= 1.000.000]__________________________________________________ ____________________________________500.000
ERYTHROCYTE: absent [absent/rare]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________absent
GERMINAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]__________________________________________________ ________________________________________present
EPITHELIAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________absent
SPERMAGGLUTINATION ZONES: rare [absent/rare]__________________________________________________ _____________________________absent

So, after 51 days a possible oligospermia is an issue while using anavar .
However, the most important parameters are still within the limits and either the viscosity as well as the fluidification improved.

[im9boss]

i see in parts of the forum you said your taking nolva and in parts it said your taking chlomid? i'm asking because i already have nolvadex only, and am wondering if it's sufficient. i've read suggesting nolva AND chlomid

and i saw your dosages for the var were different on various days, not a pattern. why is that?

i about to start my cycle soon and i can either do 60mg for 9 weeks, or 80 mg for 7 weeks, or something in between (either 70, or start at 60 and work my way up to 80)
whats your opinion? how do you like the 60mg?

[nilrac]

Seems to me like 6 weeks @ 60mg per day is an ideal way to run this compound going on gains vs. sides, and time on generally. Plus cost .

I spoke to a friend of mine yesterday who is very experienced with AAS and he suggested that clomid as PCT for a 6wk cycle of var at 60mg per day is overkill. Unless, as a grown man, I want to be reduced to tears . He suggested clomid would be for more advanced cycles over longer periods of time.

And ofcourse the chance of estro sides is very unlikely from Oxandrolone, but having Tamoxifen on hand, as a super cautious safety measure, is advisable I believe. Even just for peace of mind.

Just my .02

[BJJ]

1 i see in parts of the forum you said your taking nolva and in parts it said your taking chlomid? i'm asking because i already have nolvadex only, and am wondering if it's sufficient. i've read suggesting nolva AND chlomid

2 and i saw your dosages for the var were different on various days, not a pattern. why is that?

i about to start my cycle soon and i can either do 60mg for 9 weeks, or 80 mg for 7 weeks, or something in between (either 70, or start at 60 and work my way up to 80)
3 whats your opinion? how do you like the 60mg?

These 8 weeks were an adventure for me:

1. That is because I left my endo while on cycle and I had to review many things he advised me.

2. I was trying to raise the ingestion till a level where I would have started to get sides (that level was 80 mg).

3. I had a very good strength increase at 60 mg ed. What are your stats?

In any case, if you have the time and will to read from the beginning to the end, you'll see I explain always the reasons for the changes in progress.

[BJJ]

Seems to me like 6 weeks @ 60mg per day is an ideal way to run this compound going on gains vs. sides, and time on generally. Plus cost .

I spoke to a friend of mine yesterday who is very experienced with AAS and he suggested that clomid as PCT for a 6wk cycle of var at 60mg per day is overkill. Unless, as a grown man, I want to be reduced to tears . He suggested clomid would be for more advanced cycles over longer periods of time.

And ofcourse the chance of estro sides is very unlikely from Oxandrolone, but having Tamoxifen on hand, as a super cautious safety measure, is advisable I believe. Even just for peace of mind.

Just my .02

Agreed

[BJJ]

Squat (legs) 100 kg (220 lbs) NOW 130 kg (286 lbs) +30%
One Arm Dumbbell Row (back) 30 kg (66 lbs) NOW 44 kg (96,8 lbs) +46,66%
Bench Press with Dumbbells (chest) 30 kg each (66 lbs) NOW 40 kg (88 lbs) +33,33%
Military Press with Dumbbells (shoulders) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) NOW 34 kg (74,8 lbs) +41,66%
Dumbbells Curls (biceps - seated) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) NOW 30 kg (66 lbs) +25%
Dumbbells Curls (triceps - lying down) 18 kg each (39,6 lbs) NOW 24 kg (52,8 lbs) +33,33%

(current-previous)/previous*100 = (+) increase% or (-) decrease%

[amostofi1999]

very nice.
what about weight or body composition?

[BJJ]

very nice.
what about weight or body composition?

Tomorrow I'll check my stats since it is my very last day on cycle, the 56th.
I'll use a Tanita BC-418, which I own in my studio.
So, the data will be quite accurate I would say, as usual.

In any case, by the end of the first week of pct, the 9th, I'll go in a private clinic to undergo a "Whole Body Hologic QDR-4500W DXA Fan-Beam Scanner".
The same machine used for my BMC before the cycle, which is located at post 2 of this thread; not the machine but the result.

After that, I believe I'll have a clear situation regarding the lean mass acquired.

[PistolStarta]

I thought var was super expensive, how do you afford this? Dont want specific numbers just asking if you are losing alot of cash.

[BJJ]

I thought var was super expensive, how do you afford this? Dont want specific numbers just asking if you are losing alot of cash.

No I am not.
I bought what needed all in advance and started the cycle.
No big deal I would say.

[laveycraft]

expensive compared to other steroids . what i payed for mine i would of payed the same for say like creatine and some other waste of money supplement i though is anavar is like an in between works awesome. been on for about 3 weeks now much stronger i love it.. worth every penny

[BJJ]

DAY 1

Body Weight: 87,5 kg (192,5 lbs)
Body Fat: 12,9%
Body Water: 63,2%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 73,5 kg (161,7 lbs)

DAY 16

Body Weight: 94,5 kg (207,9 lbs) +8%
Body Fat: 14% +8,52%
Water: 63,6% +0,63%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 77,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +5,17%

DAY 35

Body Weight: 98,9 kg (217,6 lbs) +4,66%
Body Fat: 14,6% +4,29%
Water: 63,8% +0,31%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 80,3 kg (176,66 lbs) +3,88%

DAY 56

Body Weight: 96,5 kg (212,3 lbs) -2,42%
Body Fat: 14% -4,10%
Water: 64% +0,31%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 78,9 kg (173,58 lbs) -1,74%

Comparison from the beginning after 8 weeks of Oxandrolone averaged out at 63 mg ed:

Body Weight: 96,5 kg (212,3 lbs) +10,28%
Body Fat: 14% +8,52%
Water: 64% +1,26%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 78,9 kg (173,58 lbs) +7,34%

Lean Mass Acquisition: 5,4 kg (11,88 lbs)
(data given by Tanita BC-418)

In one week from today, I am going to take a new Whole Body Hologic QDR-4500W DXA Fan-Beam Scanner to be compared with the one taken before starting the cycle, in order to obtain precise numbers.

In any case, since I am already aware there will not be much differences, I can be satisfied because I improved my strength around 35%, I acquired almost 12 lbs of lean mass while some people were talking about only 5 lbs and kept the fat at almost the same level, not much difference between 12,9% and 14%; I can still flip over!

Furthermore, it is nice to observe that when I was "bulking" I increased about the same percentage either the lean mass and the fat while when at then end I decided to reduce the Kcalories, I lost 2% of lean mass but 4% of fat.
So, Oxandrolone has destroying fat capabilities indeed.

[elpropiotorvic]

Very naiice!!

U should be kicking some serious @ss with ur new strength

[BJJ]

Day1
60 oxa - 3.436 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day2
60 oxa - 3.550 Kcal - (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Bursts of Heat

Day3
60 oxa - 3.199 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness

Day4
60 oxa - 3.340 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, 4 mg Loperamide

Day5
60 oxa - 2.799 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, Yellow Skin (left biceps & shoulder), 4 mg Loperamide, 25.000 iu Neomycin

Day6
60 oxa - 3.646 Kcal - (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Tiredness, Yellow Skin, 1 gr Acetylsalicy Acid

Day7
60 oxa - 3.912 Kcal - (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Yellow Skin, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.411

1ST WEEK NOTES
The first week was very hard to go through. No will to eat at all and lots of problem to understand if the diarrhea was due from oxandrolone or liv.52; also I got a persistent sore throat.
The strength increase was considerable, especially on legs and shoulders.
As daily supplements throughout the cycle: (Multi Vitamins/Minerals 1 tb, Vitamin C/Ester 3 gr, EFA complex 6 gr, ALA 600 mg, LIV.52 2 tabs, CLA 4 gr, ZMA, Tribulus Terrestris 3 gr, Chromium Picolinate 400 mcg, Acetyl L-Carnitine 600 mg, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine 35 gr, BCAA 20 gr, MT Gakic Hardcore 8 tbs (only before w/o), UN Animal Flex 1 pckt.

Day 8
60 oxa - 2.415 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite,Tiredness, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 4 mg Loperamide, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Day 9
60 oxa - 3.400 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 10
60 oxa - 2.760 Kcal - (Cardio 35’)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 11
60 oxa - 4.208 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Oxandrolone kicked in

Day 12
60 oxa - 3.332 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 13
60 oxa - 3.645 Kcal - (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 14
60 oxa - 3.976 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.392

2ND WEEK NOTES
At day 11 finally Anavar showed me its potentiality by improving my strength incredibly. Not only the power to lift was improved but also the reps needed to exhaust the muscles.
Furthermore, I am starving again especially after the work-outs.
The diarrhea was given by Liv.52. I solved the problem by taking only 1 tab in the morning.

Day 15
60 oxa – 3.698 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 16
60 oxa – 3.645 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 17
60 oxa – 3.591 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide

Day 18
60 oxa – 3.016 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region
Blood Work: Blood Analyses After 18 Days of Oxandrolone at 60 mg ED

Day 19
60 oxa – 3.125 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 20
60 oxa – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, 400 mg Acetylsalicy Acid

Day 21
60 oxa – 3.129 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Headache, 2 gr Paracetamol, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.362

3RD WEEK NOTES
I understood that the best time to take oxandrolone is after the meals, not before or during, otherwise I get diarrhea and this apart from ingesting Liv.52.
Unfortunately, I got a bit sick yesterday and today is even worse. Every year I suffer from sinusitis which I hope to cure as fast as possible.
In regards of the results of blood analyses above reported, my bilirubin values decreased within the normal range, as expected. Oxandrolone seems "to cure" Gilberts's syndrome (which I have).
Of course, either LDL, HDL and Transaminase went up; as well as azotemia which was already a bit higher and surely it could not start declining during the cycle.
Strangely, creatinine stayed at the same level but this is good in relation with azotemia.
What I do not understand are the values related to LH, FSH and HGH compared with DHEAS. Hopefully my endocrinologist, if not someone in here before, will explain this issue.

Day 22
60 oxa – 5.096 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 23
60 oxa – 4.003 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), 10 mg Diazepam

Day 24
60 oxa – 3.650 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 25
60 oxa – 4.021 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 26
60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.374 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 27
60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.338 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Libido is Back, Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 28
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.071 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.221

4TH WEEK NOTES
Fortunately sinusitis, which I had between day 20/22, went away quickly.
At day 26 I added 3 gr of Tribulus Terrestris daily.
Since also from day 26 I am ingesting Mesterolone, my libido in back and I have very hard erections. Furthermore, I feel I can last longer while having sex.
My daily Kcalories intake was brought up to more than 4.000 (just checking how much fat I will store comparing to when I was eating/training the same, naturally).
This afternoon I underwent a full abdominal echography to see the overall situation and try to figure out if the pang I felt sometimes around my lower back was due to a kidney problem. The response was negative, all the organs are fine and was told it might be a problem related to training, probably a muscular micro-lesion less than 1mm, therefore not visible.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is still there.[/QUOTE]

Day 29

60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.723 Kcal – (Shoulders, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Problems to fall asleep because I took the last tabs of Oxandrolone around midnight, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 30

70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.790 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam

Day 31

70 oxa / 50 mes – 5.999 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 32

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.461 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 33

70 oxa / 50 mes – 2.763 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 200 mg Nimesulide, 4 gr Ketoprofen foam

Day 34

70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.321 Kcal – (Chest & Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 35

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.973 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.432

5TH WEEK NOTES
So, in 19 days I took 6,6 lbs of lean mass (estimate) while fat increased a bit more but still under control (considering also I am not eating low glycemic index carbs at all) and water kept at the same value.
I would say so far, oxandrolone is showing its ability to increase the lean mass controlling either the fat and the water.
I am quite satisfied because I think I can easily go down to 12% bf retaining most of the lean mass acquired. I will act so the last ten days of the cycle. Till that time, I want to continue eating that much calories and proteins. Perhaps I can start eating more oats instead of pasta and rice.
At day 30 I started to ingest 10 mg more of Oxandrolone daily, for a total of 70 mg.
At day 35 I went back to 60 mg since I noticed no differences at all and the back pain on the lumbar right region came back again in a vigorous way. I am getting tired of this also because in spite of the echography I took lastly (which was fine), the pain is always there and seems to get worse after I ingest Oxandrolone. I had no possibility, as previously stated, to go taking blood analyses a few days ago, but I’ll go tomorrow morning. I want to see if the values related to the liver and the kidneys have stabilized or not. In negative case, it could be an explanation for the pain. Surely, I cannot keep taking nimesulide to get rid of the pain since it is very liver toxic too and gives diarrhea.
Strength keeps increasing.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is finally gone.

Day 36

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.640 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Blood Work: Blood Analyses After 36 Days of Oxandrolone at 60/70 mg ED

Day 37

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.511 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 100 mg Nimesulide

Day 38

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 39

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.042 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: 10 mg Diazepam

Day 40

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.046 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 41

80 oxa / 50 mes – 4.050 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (several hours)

Day 42

60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.824 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (just a few minutes)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.635

6TH WEEK NOTES
On day 41 I tried to raise the input from Oxandrolone by ingesting 20 mg more, for a total of 80 mg. The results were dizziness and confusion. The morning after I felt also some kind of hallucination and both yesterday and today the diarrhea came back. I decided not to push my luck and from day 42 I went back to 60 mg ed. After all, I had good results so far and see no reasons to screw everything up.
This week I ate a bit less to see if I could obtain a better definition but I also had the possibility to work-out only two days, so this made my effort fruitless.
Regarding my sperm, I realized it is more viscous than before and it seems also heavier.
Wondering if PCT is required since both LH and FSH are (and always were) within the normal ranges.

Day 43

60 oxa / 50 mes – 2.637 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Took 150 mg of Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) by mistake

Day 44

60 oxa / 75 mes – 2.659 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 45

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.511 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil
+0.10 oxa

Day 46

70 oxa / 75 mes – 3.373 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 47

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.754 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat/Ears/Head, 2 gr Paracetamol

Day 48

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.564 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat/Ears, 2 gr Paracetamol

Day 49

70 oxa / 75 mes – 3.237 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat, 2 gr Paracetamol

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 2.819

7TH WEEK NOTES
On day 43, I wrongly took 150 mg of Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) at breakfast. I had an intestine discomfort, which lasted the entire morning.
On day 44, I raised the Mesterolone (Proviron ) daily intake of about 0,25 mg.
On day 45, I raised the Oxandrolone (Anavar) daily intake of about 0,10 mg.
I did not notice any improvement of any sort.
I figure out that strength increase ceased, even though I have not pushed to the limit to avoid injuries since I work-out in solitude.
This week I lowered my daily Kcalories intake because I realized I was putting on too much fat. I should be now back to 14% or less maybe, while by the end of last week I surely was above 15%.
In any case, in the next weekend I am going to check my stats again.
In the following and last week (8th), I am going to lower the daily intake of anavar down to 60 mg while starting from tomorrow morning I shall not ingest proviron anymore.
I need to see if mesterolone is related to the upsurge of my LH and FSH values. So, next Saturday I shall take the last blood work on cycle and accordingly, I set up the proper pct.

Day 50

60 oxa – 2.589 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 2 gr Paracetamol, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 51

60 oxa – 3.299 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 1 gr Paracetamol
Sperm Analyses: Sperm Analyses After 51 Days of Oxandrolone at 60/70 mg ED

Day 52

60 oxa – 3.051 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 1 gr Paracetamol

Day 53

60 oxa – 2.978 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 54

60 oxa – 2.897 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 55

60 oxa – 3.040 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 56

70 oxa – 2.598 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Blood Wok: Blood Analyses After 56 Days of Oxandrolone at 63 mg ED (Averaged)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 2.921
Daily Average Bulking KCalories Intake (56 days): 3.159
Oxandrolone Daily Ingestion Average (56 days): 63 mg

8TH WEEK NOTES
Nothing particular to report on this final week, except I lowered the total daily intake of Kcalories to prepare myself for the following three weeks of PCT, where I am going to use 3.000 Kcalories on a daily average with 300/330 grams of protides.
Furthermore, after discontinuing the Mesterolone at day 49, the FSH dropped back while testosterone free doubled, +100%.

”BULKING” CONCLUSIONS
Being on my first cycle, I believe I had good results especially in strength.
After almost 20 years of martial arts as well as training in the gym plus other spare sport activities, I started this cycle with a bit of concern in relation to some elbows pangs I have felt in the last months. So, I never pushed to the limit really and always trained in solitude to avoid that.
Furthermore, I was not able to accomplish a ”perfect” diet regime throughout the cycle, as I wanted to, due to personal reasons which also led me to sleep no so goodly and enough.
Said that, I believe I could have achieved better results but I am satisfied anyway.

As reported during the cycle, Oxandrolone gave me some strong dizziness at 80 mg ed.
For the rest, except a total loss of appetite the first week or so and some diarrhea till I understood when to ingest the drug (after main meals), I would say I have gotten only benefits. The pang on my elbows disappeared after one week supporting what I read regarding the ability of Oxandrolone to cure problems related to ligaments and tendons, or in case to relieve the associated pain.
Another good ability was in regard of water percentage in the body. I ate a lot, compared to what I have burned especially in the first weeks, and I got just a little fat on and no water retention at all. This is good for martial artists or any other sport where the “not useful” weight is an issue.
Regarding vascularization, I cannot say I noticed any improvement because I did not mean to use this compound to get ripped, while I wanted more strength and see how much lean mass I could obtain. I started the cycle at 12,9% bf, went up to 14,6% bf and then back to 14% bf now, more or less. The BMC will tell me exactly. However, I tried to reduce the daily Kcalories at the end of the cycle but mostly helped me to reduce the fat I have put on, not to see any veins on my chest.

In one week from now I will undergo a new Whole Body Hologic QDR-4500W DXA Fan-Beam Scanner, to see the differences with the one taken just before commencing the cycle, posted at page 1 of this thread.
I am looking forward to see what 8 weeks of Oxandrolone gave me in lean mass acquisition, already knowing that my overall strength increased about 35% (estimate):

Squat (legs) 100 kg (220 lbs) 130 (286 lbs) +30%
One Arm Dumbbell Row (back) 30 kg (66 lbs) 44 (96,8 lbs) +46,66%
Bench Press with Dumbbells (chest) 30 kg each (66 lbs) 40 (88 lbs) +33,33%
Military Press with Dumbbells (shoulders) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) 34 (74,8 lbs) +41,66%
Dumbbells Curls (biceps - seated) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) 30 (66 lbs) +25%
Dumbbells Curls (triceps - lying down) 18 kg each (39,6 lbs) 24 (52,8 lbs) +33,33%

Comparison from the beginning after 8 weeks of Oxandrolone averaged out at 63 mg ed:

Body Weight: 96,5 kg (212,3 lbs) +10,28%
Body Fat: 14% +8,52%
Water: 64% +1,26%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 78,9 kg (173,58 lbs) +7,34%

Lean Mass Acquisition: 5,4 kg (11,88 lbs)
(data given by Tanita BC-418)

(current-previous)/previous*100 = (+) increase% or (-) decrease%

[BJJ]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland
Look i would like to ask you this question:

I am about to end my oxandrolone cycle of 60/70 mg ed for 8 weeks.
From week 4 to 7 i added mesterolone 50/75 mg ed.
My last blood work shows test ttl, test free and shbg down while lh and fsh within the normal ranges (they even started to raise back after the first weeks, perhaps due to proviron ?).

Anyway, my question is: May i just quit the anavar and start a 8 week cycle of test en 500 mg ew? yes
so, it would be a 8 week on oral and another 8 week on test, for a ttl of 16 weeks. run the oral for 10 weeks then run the test at 500 mgs for 10 weeks. Cut dosages by half during 2 week deloads. Then, since my values right now are not so bad and had no signs of estrogenic activity and testicular shrinkage, i should be able, with a proper pct, to recover completely.

What do you think? yes does make sense to jump from an anavar only cycle to a test en only cycle without any pct + time off in the middle? it won't hurt you if you do it for only 20 weeks
this is the thread related to my cycle, in the post n.2 all the values:
ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

thank you very much

[BJJ]

Very naiice!!

U should be kicking some serious @ss with ur new strength

Yes, even though bjj is all about technique mostly, I can do some things much easily than before.

[BJJ]

DAYS______________________________________________ _16_________________________________35________________________________56

Body Weight: 87,5 kg (192,5 lbs)_________________________94,5 kg (207,9 lbs) +8%_____________98,9 kg (217,6 lbs) +13,02%_________96,5 kg (212,3 lbs) +10,28%
Body Fat: 12,9%______________________________________14% +8,52%_______________________14,6% +13,17%____________________14% +8,52%
Body Water: 63,2%____________________________________63,6% +0,63%_____________________63,8% +0,94%_____________________64% +1,26%
Estimated Muscle Mass: 73,5 kg (161,7 lbs)________________77,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +5,17%__________80,3 kg (176,66 lbs) +9,25%_________78,9 kg (173,58 lbs) +7,34%

Lean Mass Acquisition: 5,4 kg (11,88 lbs)

(data given by Tanita BC-418)

[elpropiotorvic]

I like that u made this log....this is how a cycle is run...too bad ur endo was using u ...but im glad you made good gains, a lot of ppl where very skeptical and even flaming but i think it was overall what u were wanting to achieve ...props for the discipline

[BJJ]

I like that u made this log....this is how a cycle is run...too bad ur endo was using u ...but im glad you made good gains, a lot of ppl where very skeptical and even flaming but i think it was overall what u were wanting to achieve ...props for the discipline

Well thanks.

The endo is gone yes and yet I have not found one reliable, who has used or treated people who used aas, I mean.

Regarding the flaming, I am glad I was right not because I needed to be but just because I could not risk to ingest anavar and inject testosterone while suffering from the Gilbert's syndrome.
Now I know, I can either run a single cycle of those compounds or both together.

[BJJ]

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[BJJ]

Red ones not in range from day 0.
Green ones improved from previous values related to day 0.
__________________________________________________ _________Day 18_______________Day 36_______________Day 51_______________Day 56

BLOOD
ERYTHROCYTES: 5,18 mil/mmc [4 - 5,5]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________5,2
LEUCOCYTES: 7,3 mila/mmc [4 - 9]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________8,6
- NE: 4,1 / 55,8 % [2 - 6 / 37 - 80]
- LY: 2,4 / 33 % [0,6 - 36 / 10 - 50]
- MO: 0,6 / 8,6 % [0 - 0,9 / 0 - 12]
- EO: 0,2 / 2,1 % [0 - 7 / 0 - 7]
- BA: 0 / 0,5 % [0 - 0,2 / 0 - 2,5]
HEMOGLOBIN: 14,9 gr/dl [14 - 18]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________13,6
HEMATOCRIT: 45,3 % [42 - 52]__________________________________________________ _________________________________________________44,1
MCV: 87,5 femtol [82 - 98]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___84,8
MCH: 28,8 picogr. [27 - 31]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___26,2
MCHC: 32,9 gr/dl [32 - 36]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___30,8
GRAN-NEUTROPHILS: 55,8 % [37 -80]__________________________________________________ ____________________________________________60,7
GRAN-EOSINOPHILS: 2,1 % [0,0 - 7]__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________1,9
GRAN-BASOPHILS: 0,5 % [0,0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________0,7
LYMPHOCYTES: 33,0 % [10 - 50]__________________________________________________ ________________________________________________28,4
MONOCYTES: 8,6 % [0,0 - 12]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________8,3
PLATELETS: 163000 /mmc [150000 - 400000]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________336000

LIVER, KIDNEYS & PANCREAS
AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl [15-40]_______________________________________62___________________57________________________________________56
CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl [0,8 - 1,3]___________________________________1,2__________________1,2________________________________________1,3
CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl [140 - 220]____________________________179__________________205_______________________________________232
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl [> 40]__________________________________13___________________11________________________________________13
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 [till 5]________________________________________13,76________________19,2_______________________________________17,8
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl [< 100]________________________________157_________________199_______________________________________202
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl [0,2-1]___________________________________0,83________________0,78
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl [0,05 - 0,3]_____________________________0,1_________________0,1
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl [till 0,7]______________________________0,73________________0,68
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr [15 - 37]___________________________55_________________50__________________________________________46
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr [30 - 65]___________________________86__________________66__________________________________________95
GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr [15 - 85]____________________________________29__________________28__________________________________________26
AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr [25 - 115]_______________________________________55__________________63__________________________________________64
PROTIDES TTL: 7,4 gr/dl [6,4 - 8,2]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________7,8
ALBUMIN: 59,1 % (4,37 g/dl) [51 - 63,3]__________________________________________________ ___________________________________________60,3
ALFA 1: 2,9 % (0,21 g/dl) [2,2 - 4,3]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________2,4
ALFA 2: 10,1 % (0,75 g/dl) [9,5 - 14]__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________12,6
BETA: 9,6 % (0,71 g/dl) [10-14,5]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________11,3
GAMMA: 18,3 % (1,35 g/dl) [12 - 20]__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________13,4
A/G RATIO: 1,44 [1,0 - 1,7]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___1,52
PSA: 0,64 ng/ml [till 4]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______0,39

HORMONAL
INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]___________________________________3,6_________________3,04
IGF-1: 190 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________184_________________163
CORTISOL: 12,53 mg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________13,64
HTG: 7,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]
PRL: 9,88 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _12,78
FT3: 3,48 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____4,82
FT4: 1,26 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______1,29
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]________________________0,72________________0,61
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]____________________________5,2_________________4,8__________________________________________9,6
SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]_________________________________________10_________________<0,1
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 36 pg/ml [<20 - 47]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________9
PROGESTERONE: 0,93 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]
FSH: 4,16 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]____________________________________2,09_________________2,56________________________________________1,42
TSH: 2,92 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________3,88
LH: 3,80 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]______________________________________2,19_________________2,58________________________________________2,61
DHEA: 7,3 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]
DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl [106 - 464]____________________________________209_________________209,6
DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]________________________________________<0,1_________________<0,1

After discontinuing the Mesterolone at day 49, the FSH dropped back while testosterone free doubled, +100%!!!... but I was still ingesting Oxandrolone.

Anyone able to explain why?
Any clues?

[pwnflow]

Wow very impressive log, I am very inclined towards doing my own anavar cycle in summer so this is going to be very help. Please keep updating how PCT and how you levels come back to normal. Your HDL/LDL levels and liver panel is a wreck, man I hope is comes back in control. Good luck!

On topic, I thought that anavar was very easy on liver, then why such inflated levels?

[BJJ]

Wow very impressive log thanks, I am very inclined towards doing my own anavar cycle in summer so this is going to be very help. good luck then Please keep updating how PCT and how you levels come back to normal. sure I will Your HDL/LDL levels and liver panel is a wreck, man I hope is comes back in control. Good luck!

On topic, I thought that anavar was very easy on liver, then why such inflated levels? it is easy on liver comparing it to other compounds!

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[pwnflow]

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Wow then I don't even want to know what will winstrol , or worse, anadrol do to your liver panel.

Might rethink about orals then, well good luck.

Also few specific question,

Why did are you using both clomid and nolvadex , I thought only one of them is good enough for proper pct.

And any specific reason to add proviron to the cycle?

[TASSY5]

I have a question....Can women take Anivar like us guys do or would it hurt them. My wife is asking the question.

[BJJ]

Wow then I don't even want to know what will winstrol , or worse, anadrol do to your liver panel.

Might rethink about orals then, well good luck.

the cycle is not over and my organism, yet, did not have the time to recover. If I were you, I would wait the final results to have a more complete view.

Also few specific question,

Why did are you using both clomid and nolvadex , I thought only one of them is good enough for proper pct.

the proper pct should not be done only with applied statistics but after a blood work at the end of the cycle, IMO. said that, nolva alone is not doing much to recover your hpta, the sinergy should be implemented with clomid; even though my LH and FSH levels were normal throughout the cycle and I could just ingest nolva. it is a personal choice.

And any specific reason to add proviron to the cycle?
because of its breaking sinergy with SHBG and I also found out it helped my LH and FSH to recover and raise back a bit. ***

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Of all the testosterone product from the human body only a small share circulates in the blood in a free-form. Inside the stream circulatory, as happens to many other hormones, testosterone is situated largely linked (98%) to specific plasma proteins (sex hormone-binding globulin) that inactivate it temporarily.
According to the requests metabolic a small share of these bonds may break, leaving the testosterone free to migrate to the cells and adjust the gene transcription. For these proteins bind to the proviron breaks the link steroids-SHBG making free these hormones and thereby improving the effects substances.