**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[sawyer86]

All i know is i want to be bigger! To be totally honest i dont think i would ever be happy. But i guess thats a good thing in a way, because wheres the fun in being happy with yourself?

[Sfla80]

Looks good. Good frame and shape Sfla. Plenty of room to pack it on and achieve your goals!

Thanks kel. I know im no where near you guys. But thats whats a big motivator for me. Still a ways to go.

[Rusty11]

Also all the lurker who never post, what are your thoughts on the thread and how we train, diet etc....give us some feedback, step out of the shadows.. we want to hear it... we want to help

I would definitely like to see moreold phucs like me(52 today)posting in here. C'mon, lurkers. It's hard for me to relate to these massive gorillas lifting 2x what I am.

[sawyer86]

You look well for 52 rust!

[Rusty11]

You look well for 52 rust!

Love 'ya, man

[Hazard]

I would definitely like to see moreold phucs like me(52 today)posting in here. C'mon, lurkers. It's hard for me to relate to these massive gorillas lifting 2x what I am.

Shiiiiiiiittttt how old u think Marcus is? Hah

[austinite]

Shiiiiiiiittttt how old u think Marcus is? Hah

He just turned 21.

[Hazard]

He just turned 21.

I figured out who he really is...... Bostin Lloyd hahaha

[Cuz]

Marcus's Arms have to be 20" or 21" or maybe even more. I bet he will never tell.

[Dpyle]

Also all the lurker who never post, what are your thoughts on the thread and how we train, diet etc....give us some feedback, step out of the shadows.. we want to hear it... we want to help

I've posted here a couple times since the thread started, but have mostly been lurking. This is the way I've always trained, and I love it! Diet is where I fall short. I have 0 anabolic experience aside from TRT, and given my stature, I stalled at 172lbs at 3500 cals per day. Once I get my appetite sorted I'll really be able to pack on the lbs.

[RipOwens]

Also all the lurker who never post, what are your thoughts on the thread and how we train, diet etc....give us some feedback, step out of the shadows.. we want to hear it... we want to help

Maybe like Kel I haven't completely figured out what I'm looking for, but my transformation so far is due in large part to the enjoyment of lifting and the desire to get bigger and feel good about myself.

I've been able to put on 15 lbs + but I want to be able to see it, so I guess I'm looking for a cut look.

Anyway, really focusing on diet and I'm doing it, but it's slowly but surely.

I love hearing people's routines as I often try them out as a switch-up.

[marcus300]

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Ok had time and here is me (almost 2 yrs ago) just after a pct. Im 189 in is pic, was at 196 during cycle. I would like and even spread of 15lbm's. I guess I want to be bigger the the asthetic look, but lean at same time, is the best way to explain.

Looking good and I am sure you will be able accomplish your goals

[Dadstrength]

Also all the lurker who never post, what are your thoughts on the thread and how we train, diet etc....give us some feedback, step out of the shadows.. we want to hear it... we want to help

This thread is great. Great source of motivation to light that fire in my furnace and go to the gym to murder those weights and machines. I rarely post. Because if you just read.... Almost every base has been covered. Everytime I click the link to this thread I get that image that Marcus painted for us about, pushing that last rep as if someone has a loaded gun to your head. Awesome statement.

I do have 1 question for the big guys here. Kelkel mentioned in the past he used to train with power lifters. And I believe Marcus did also. My question is did you guys always use low volume high intensity? Dorian style. Or did you start out more traditional with more volume then adjust later?

[Hazard]

Well..... I woke up at 5:15 to piss......


I hate all of you

[marcus300]

This thread is great. Great source of motivation to light that fire in my furnace and go to the gym to murder those weights and machines. I rarely post. Because if you just read.... Almost every base has been covered. Everytime I click the link to this thread I get that image that Marcus painted for us about, pushing that last rep as if someone has a loaded gun to your head. Awesome statement.

I do have 1 question for the big guys here. Kelkel mentioned in the past he used to train with power lifters. And I believe Marcus did also. My question is did you guys always use low volume high intensity? Dorian style. Or did you start out more traditional with more volume then adjust later?

My first experience with lifting weight was with power lifters, we concentrated on just hitting basic movements for a few years. Then I started to try different ways to train and I responded very well to short heavy intense training but I have tried many styles which do have a place for me but the way I build, maintain and cut is through HIT training with my own little twist on things. I believe if your going into the gym to train then train - end of story. Train to your limit, push to your absolute limit and overload your body so it as no alternative but to grow, couple this with the right eating plan and a few anabolics thrown in the mix and this will develop fast IMHO. But not everyone responds the same so try different style and adapt the style which your body responds best to and train like a god. You want to turn heads!!! train like you want it

[marcus300]

He just turned 21.

46 now lol

[marcus300]

I would definitely like to see moreold phucs like me(52 today)posting in here. C'mon, lurkers. It's hard for me to relate to these massive gorillas lifting 2x what I am.

You look amazing for 52, credit to you

[kelkel]

Well..... I woke up at 5:15 to piss......


I hate all of you

Ha, ha, ha, ha. To infinity.......

[austinite]

46 now lol

Nice. At least your name didn't show up in that "Who's the oldest person here" thread....

[kelkel]

This thread is great. Great source of motivation to light that fire in my furnace and go to the gym to murder those weights and machines. I rarely post. Because if you just read.... Almost every base has been covered. Everytime I click the link to this thread I get that image that Marcus painted for us about, pushing that last rep as if someone has a loaded gun to your head. Awesome statement.

I do have 1 question for the big guys here. Kelkel mentioned in the past he used to train with power lifters. And I believe Marcus did also. My question is did you guys always use low volume high intensity? Dorian style. Or did you start out more traditional with more volume then adjust later?

I can remember doing pretty much every style in my younger days, except extreme high volume. I never saw the sense to that. Powerlifting was a great influence for me. Think of it this way, the stronger you are the more weight you can move, the more weight you can move the bigger you can grow. Couple that with rest and nutrition and it's a win-win. In powerlifting it can be all about the buildup to that one important set. HIT here is similar in that nature. You do the warm-ups necessary to get to that one set and you then annihilate the muscle. Learning how to push past your normal barriers is the discipline here.

I started HIT for everything probably 10 years ago but was edging toward it for years. For legs I started it a long time before that. Warm ups were always just that, warm ups. Never tire yourself out on warm ups. What's the point of that. Do just enough to get you ready for your work set. Powerlifting taught me that philosophy. Too many guys are repping out all the way up to their alleged "working set" and when they get their they've spent have their energy on inconsequential warm-ups, losing out on productive reps they could have done with their goal weight. See the point? Don't fatigue yourself on useless sets.

Back to legs. Squats for example. It got the the point that after a heavy, balls out working set I'd rest and get up to do it again. I soon realized that I really didn't get any more sore or more growth from those extra 2-3 sets. Just more tired. So I just made sure that that one set was everything I had in me. Nose bleeds and all. That carried over to the rest of my leg work as well. That was years before incorporating upper body into HIT. Hell, that term (HIT) wasn't around then I don't think.

Rant over.....for now.

[kelkel]

Nice. At least your name didn't show up in that "Who's the oldest person here" thread....

How did you'rs get in there? And how did I escape?

[Sfla80]

Was shoulders and tris today. Didn't think I was actually going to go. Last night had to go to the urgent care clinic, had severe toothache. Funny as it sounds, I had to go, pain was incredible last night. So gave me some anti's and pain meds. Slept hrough the night and feel ok this morning but little out of it.

Decided to try and get to the gym and get me awake. Actually had a real good workout. Go in with the mindset of killing yourself changes things quickly.

Shoulders:

Smith machine press 2 warm up, 1 feel, 2 working into 2 drops
Sitting lateral raise 1 feel, 1 working into 2 drops
Sitting bent over lateral, straight set into front db raise. did 2 working sets, 1 drop for each.

Tris

Db over head 1 warm, 1 feel, 1 working into 2 drops
Reverse grip cable pull downs straight set into regular push downs. Using preacher bar ( availbilty,no straight bar around) did 2 working each and droped both 2 times.
Incline db skulls 2 working, 1 drop.

Now a question, if you are doing a straight or super sets. And you want to drop set them also. Do you drop the set and then move to next movement and drop. OR do you continue yor straight set, then work your way back around and drop. Hope that makes sense kinda hard to explain.

[marcus300]

Was shoulders and tris today. Didn't think I was actually going to go. Last night had to go to the urgent care clinic, had severe toothache. Funny as it sounds, I had to go, pain was incredible last night. So gave me some anti's and pain meds. Slept hrough the night and feel ok this morning but little out of it.

Decided to try and get to the gym and get me awake. Actually had a real good workout. Go in with the mindset of killing yourself changes things quickly.

Shoulders:

Smith machine press 2 warm up, 1 feel, 2 working into 2 drops
Sitting lateral raise 1 feel, 1 working into 2 drops
Sitting bent over lateral, straight set into front db raise. did 2 working sets, 1 drop for each.

Tris

Db over head 1 warm, 1 feel, 1 working into 2 drops
Reverse grip cable pull downs straight set into regular push downs. Using preacher bar ( availbilty,no straight bar around) did 2 working each and droped both 2 times.
Incline db skulls 2 working, 1 drop.

Now a question, if you are doing a straight or super sets. And you want to drop set them also. Do you drop the set and then move to next movement and drop. OR do you continue yor straight set, then work your way back around and drop. Hope that makes sense kinda hard to explain.

I think I know what your trying to explain, do the dropset on your last movement of the superset otherwise you will be wasted and wont be able to do the last exercise. Remember drops are taken to failure on each drop so you should have zero left after doing a drop to do anything else.

[Rusty11]

So for example, if I'm doing three exercises on a particular body part, should I just do a couple of drop sets on the last exercise? I've been doing them on the last two exercises. The answer is probably do whatever I want. Sometimes, I'm too rigid. Sometimes, there are no right/wrong answers.

[kelkel]

So for example, if I'm doing three exercises on a particular body part, should I just do a couple of drop sets on the last exercise? I've been doing them on the last two exercises. The answer is probably do whatever I want. Sometimes, I'm too rigid. Sometimes, there are no right/wrong answers.

You answered it. Not just the last exercise. Don't "save it" for the end. Kill it quick and early. Get done and get out, basically. Use your intuition and make decisions as you go. Many times I'll start an exercise planning a drop set but I get more reps than expected so to me it may rule out another drop and I'll divert to an RP instead. After that maybe a drop. "Adapt as you go."

[marcus300]

So for example, if I'm doing three exercises on a particular body part, should I just do a couple of drop sets on the last exercise? I've been doing them on the last two exercises. The answer is probably do whatever I want. Sometimes, I'm too rigid. Sometimes, there are no right/wrong answers.

What your asking is different than the above but an example would be if your doing db incline press, do your warm up sets and make sure your fully warmed up then do your working set which will include the drop set, may that be a double or triple drop but once you done your working set you should be more or less done, some can manage 2 working sets with drops, that's your choice but on your working set which is going to failure and beyond it should include the drops if that's your choice.

[Rusty11]

Thanks both of you. Your input/advice helps me a A LOT! I'm at a good place now because of the posts you guys make on a daily basis. And, I'm not ass-kissing when I say that.

[Hazard]

And, I'm not ass-kissing when I say that.

Lies! :-)

[Hazard]

No gym for me today.....


Debating 30 mins on the stair master tho

[Hazard]

Marcus and kel...... Maybe you posted it already. If so Ill look but it's a pain on the phone.....

What's an example of ur daily diet? Times, foods, shakes, etc.

[marcus300]

Haz ive posted it way back in the early stages of the thread

[Hazard]

On my agenda today is
m1 -shake - oats, banana, whey pro, creatine
m2 - 2 chicken breast (sweet chilli) - 1 yam, asparagus
m3 - 6-8 eggs - baked spud ,banana
m4 - oats,whey pro, banana
m5 - 2 smoked haddock -small brown rice, broccoli
m6 - 2 chicken breasts, salad, mixed with chilli,garlic,peppers cider vinegar
m7 - cottage cheese & 6 eggs - peanut butter for taste

I will add either more carbs or pro to suit how I feel but on most occasions I will eat 7 small meals daily.

Got it! Thx

[Hazard]

Ur getting way more eggs than I am...... I can stomach 3 whole eggs and a few whites but that's it right now. I need to get a protein powder..... Not to replace meals but to add in more oats with it.

Right now I'm eating 1 cup of oats with eggs in the morning

[Java Man]

I couldn't sleep at all the past 2 days so I took a couple ambien last night.

I didn't plan on going to the gym due to lack of sleep but my traps and biceps are in a lot of pain so I'm assuming I did go lol. Couldn't post the workout because I don't remember it but it seems to have been quite intense.

ambien is a helluva drug

[Sfla80]

I think I know what your trying to explain, do the dropset on your last movement of the superset otherwise you will be wasted and wont be able to do the last exercise. Remember drops are taken to failure on each drop so you should have zero left after doing a drop to do anything else.

You answered it. Not just the last exercise. Don't "save it" for the end. Kill it quick and early. Get done and get out, basically. Use your intuition and make decisions as you go. Many times I'll start an exercise planning a drop set but I get more reps than expected so to me it may rule out another drop and I'll divert to an RP instead. After that maybe a drop. "Adapt as you go."

This makes perfect sense. thanks to you both.

[Rusty11]

Lies! :-)

Ok...well, maybe a little.

Hazard, thanks for finding that "meal plan". So, it takes this much food to fuel a 220/30/40# guy like marcus? Love how he calls them "small meals". LoL. Holy cow. Do you eat this much, too? Wonder what would happen to me if I ate like this for a couple of months? I can tell you that I'd definitely get to 190# pretty quick.

Java Man...I'm assuming you're serious. I've been known to take an ambien on occasions. I've heard of weird stuff like this. Did you take them and go right to bed, or... Really. How could you go to the gym, work out, and not know it? Freaky, man. Btw, tamazepam gives a more "normal" nights rest.

[Java Man]

Ok...well, maybe a little.

Hazard, thanks for finding that "meal plan". So, it takes this much food to fuel a 220/30/40# guy like marcus? Love how he calls them "small meals". LoL. Holy cow. Do you eat this much, too? Wonder what would happen to me if I ate like this for a couple of months? I can tell you that I'd definitely get to 190# pretty quick.

Java Man...I'm assuming you're serious. I've been known to take an ambien on occasions. I've heard of weird stuff like this. Did you take them and go right to bed, or... Really. How could you go to the gym, work out, and not know it? Freaky, man. Btw, tamazepam gives a more "normal" nights rest.

Yes. Serious. Its not dangerous. It sounds dangerous but its not the same as blacking our from a night of heavy drinking. Ambien doesn't affect my motor skills or intellect. I am completely normal while on it. Think of it as of you had a day where everything is normal except your brain did not form memories of that period so you just aren't able to recall what happened that day later on. Since you've taken it before you know it doesn't knock a person out, just puts the mind in a less chaotic state so it's easier to fall asleep. I will remember last night later. I already remember some of it now.

I can't take benzodiazapines for sleep. I get a really bad benzo hangover. No headache or sickness, I'm just really slow and lethargic the next day. And yes I went to bed right after I took the ambien but I remember getting up, talking to my neighbor outside and driving to the gym now. I still don't remember being AT the gym but that must be where I went.

[Java Man]

Weighed in @ 228lb and saw a couple of veins n my ab area for the first time in about 11 years. (I saw 'ab' because I still only have one atm ).

. Triceps only tonight because my triceps are lagging.

Started with the usual 2x high reps bench for warm up.
segued that into close grips.
1 working set @ 225 x 12 (free). I won't go heavier on these because it tweaks my wrist. So moving on.

Dips
2x15 dips. 1 set wide, 1 set closed.

Elbows feeling good and warmed up now.

Skull Crushers
1 warm up x 20
1x10, too many. I misjudged the weight I guess.
1x6. Failed on 7th.
1x5 same weight, after short rest. Failed on 6.
Dropped a plate off each side. No rest.
1x x to failure
Bar only, to failure.

Did some tricep squeezing to fatigue then more.

Short rest. I did my usual pre wo arg/citr/lysine and tadalafil but I had a bottle of 5hr energy that I got for free a while back so I thought WTH and drank just 1/3rd of it. I'm noticing a LOT more endurance than I usually have and I'm breathing easier. Interesting.

Reverse 2 handed cable pushdown, curled bar
1x 20 warm up
1x12 240 (2 plates up stack) this is where I've been for weeks. Discussion here earlier got me thinking about this one.
1x11 stack. Can't go heavier so have to drop and rp in this. I figured out a way to leverage myself so I can do the stack without coming off the ground.
Dropped by 20%, to failure
Another 20%, to failure
Again, again until I'm only 2 little plates down the stack. To failure.
arms are floating. Did some squeezing, no weight.

Did some curls,.just a straight bar, no weight. Counters the tricep pump a little and makes me feel 'balanced'. Lol. seriously.

No rest again from curls straight to one armed reverse cables. I know it seems like the same movement but one armed hits very different than two armed.
No warm up.
1x5 failed on 6
short rest
1x4 failed on 5, cheated a little to get 3 more
Drpped 2 plates, 1x 8, cheated 2 mor
Dropped 2 plates, 1x9 cheated 5 more, then 6 or so negatives
Arms on fire. can't breathe. What to stop now. So what. Keep going you pvssy!
drop 1 more plate
Can't even do one. Lol.
Drop again. Now at 30lbs haha. Pvssy! (sorry if this is offensive but this is how I talk to myself in the gym)
1x IDK but I failed pretty early. I think I crawled around a little here, in front of the fan. I'm alone so who cares!

Took a break. Finished with a set of standing extensions overhead with just a straight bar, then dips
X 1 bodyweight on the way out the door. I almost puked at the crawling part. Good training session. I really liked the 5hr energy.

[BG]

Well..... I woke up at 5:15 to piss......


I hate all of you

I get up at 5 6 days a week for work. PM me your phone number, Ill give you a wake up call lol !

[Hazard]

I get up at 5 6 days a week for work. PM me your phone number, Ill give you a wake up call lol !

Lol I used to...... But I've gotten used to 8am recently since I don't have to drive all the way to NYC.

On a positive note..... I didn't wake up to piss last nite but I was dying to when I got up this morning.