**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[kelkel]

Great workout kel, sounds painful but fun

You know exactly how it is. Pain is the only way to train. One day I'm going to a commercial gym to use some different equipment for a change. For me, that would be fun cause I'm so limited.

[marcus300]

You know exactly how it is. Pain is the only way to train. One day I'm going to a commercial gym to use some different equipment for a change. For me, that would be fun cause I'm so limited.

How long have you been training at home for kel

[marcus300]

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[Back In Black]

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Thank fvck for that, I can come back in then

[Capebuffalo]

Hey kel you have probably said before but can I ask what your stats are?

Your lean and look big. That's hard to do unless you are real big.

[DCI]

Tonight was back. First time back in the gym since last Friday due to work commitments etc. Have a few things on my mind at the mo which was the driving force tonight to really fuk myself up in the gym, tomorrow is d day so hopefully will be a good outcome.

Started off with warm up lat pull down very light just to get the blood flowing and get my mind in gear to connect to my muscles did this for two sets.

Then went heavy for 12 reps really sqeezed the muscle, then had some serious pain and dropsetted to about half the weight, this was hard but I had my muscles screaming to me telling me the pain was too much and to stop but I was fuking on fire in my mind and I pushed and pushed through repped it out for another 12 reps, then dropped and the muscles were screaming for me to stop but kept going till the pain was too much and had to give up.

Then super setted close grip pull downs combined with wide grip rack pulls it was immense the intensity was insane myself and my gym partner both were egging each other on for more reps and forced posi's with neg's.

T bar rows for 1 set really heavy then dropsetting for two again like the above I just forced myself through the pain harder and harder

Then tensioned deads for the same as above by this stage I was ruined but my back was so pumped I thought it was going to burst through my skin.

Then we did single rows this was by far and away the hardest part, totally drained did about 6 reps heavy and then just kept going lighter lighter and then had to stand around for a couple mins after to get my breath back it was insane.

The relieve was great and helped me clear my mind for the time I was in the gym unreal. Felt like a weightlifter again.

[Sfla80]

Legs today boys and girls:

After warm-ups...

Squats: 1 very heavy, got 12 reps. Dropped 50 and I got 7-8 more. Was dying here.
Verticals: 1 heavy for 15. 2nd heavy with RP and drop.
Extensions: 2 sets. Did an RP on first for something different. Felt good. Never do RP's on these. Nice feel.
Seated curls: 2 sets, same as above.
Calves: Vertical's. 1 straight. 1 with RP x 2
Seated. 2 straight sets.

Done. Quads very pumped today!

May ask what these are kel, or what you are referring to here?

[Sfla80]

Today was back for me.

Pre exhaust Hit

all 1 feel, 1 working, 2 drops

standing straight arm lat pull downs
lat wide grip pull downs
seated close grip rows
HAmmer strength iso low rows ( machine mimics db rows is best way to explain)
Reveerse grip bent over rows.
Deads like dorian video...was to much for me by this time...only got one feel set in. Got dizzy couldn't finish this. Almost puked while in the parking lot talking to my fiancé.

Excellent workout today.....even after a dentist visit with a numb mouth lol

[Cuz]

Double. I've been doing one side on front that's 1. Repeat till failure
2 sets last one a double drop set.

Db presses 2 warm up 2 workin
Smith military 2 sets
Side / front raises
Cable raises from behind the back 2 sets
Reverse pec deck 2 sets


Dorian/Marcus HIT

congrats on the PR, curious what weights are you using on the smith mp. do you prefer the smith over barbell mp presses

[Capebuffalo]

congrats on the PR, curious what weights are you using on the smith mp. do you prefer the smith over barbell mp presses

Thx. Due to a shoulder that is touchy I feel more comfortable on the smith. And I'm going behind the neck but not past parallel or locking out at the top. Smith isn't a true weight due to the counterbalancing of the bar so ???

Db presses 2 warm up 2 working 40/40/80/100 lbs
Smith military 2 sets 185/225 lbs
Side / front raises 40/50 lbs
Cable raises from behind the back 2 sets 40/40lbs
Reverse pec deck 2 sets 145/160 lbs

Reps are between 4-6 to failure
Sometimes the last set I may get 2-3 reps then I will drop set it
It has changed my entire way I train with great results.

[Sfla80]

Thx. Due to a shoulder that is touchy I feel more comfortable on the smith. And I'm going behind the neck but not past parallel or locking out at the top. Smith isn't a true weight due to the counterbalancing of the bar so ???

Db presses 2 warm up 2 working 40/40/80/100 lbs
Smith military 2 sets 185/225 lbs
Side / front raises 40/50 lbs
Cable raises from behind the back 2 sets 40/40lbs
Reverse pec deck 2 sets 145/160 lbs

Reps are between 4-6 to failure
Sometimes the last set I may get 2-3 reps then I will drop set it
It has changed my entire way I train with great results.

Cape r u doing front and side raises at same time...like one rep frint one rep side? Or working it like a straight set?

[Capebuffalo]

Cape r u doing front and side raises at same time...like one rep frint one rep side? Or working it like a straight set?

To the side to the front is one rep.

[Sfla80]

To the side to the front is one rep.

Thanks...exactly what I was asking. Always do separately. But see l I ts doing it your way. But I do love the behind the pack pulley

[Cuz]

50 lbs is pretty good amount of weight for side lats. I don't go up really heavy on them anymore im just too worried about injury.

I always keep my side lats above 10 reps but I think im going to drop down and start doing 4-6 with more weight. I don't do front raises because I believe I get enough out of presses also, maybe once a month I will do them. I can do more weight if I turn my fist upwards, like a hammer fist. I can do just as much for rears as I can for sides, most folks don't even hit rears in the gym but then again not very many guys are impressive up there either. I really believe in torching the rear delts.

Looks like its working for you man.

[kelkel]

How long have you been training at home for kel

Since 04.

[kelkel]

Hey kel you have probably said before but can I ask what your stats are?

Your lean and look big. That's hard to do unless you are real big.

About 6' but I've never said my weight here as I've always felt it was irrelevant. Meaning it's always an illusion and people get obsessed with it. I have small joints which give the impression of weighing more, in my opinion. My weights good but not at the big man's level. Matter of fact, he's the only one that knows what I weigh. He forced (badgered) me into weighing myself a few months ago and I had not been on the scale in literally years, as I don't see a need. I'm a few pounds above that weight now though. I'd be curious to hear your estimation Cape. And thank you.

May ask what these are kel, or what you are referring to here?

Vertical leg presses. Takes up less space in my basement than a 45 degree sled and you don't need as much weight. Love this machine.

[Capebuffalo]

About 6' but I've never said my weight here as I've always felt it was irrelevant. Meaning it's always an illusion and people get obsessed with it. I have small joints which give the impression of weighing more, in my opinion. My weights good but not at the big man's level. Matter of fact, he's the only one that knows what I weigh. He forced (badgered) me into weighing myself a few months ago and I had not been on the scale in literally years, as I don't see a need. I'm a few pounds above that weight now though. I'd be curious to hear your estimation Cape. And thank you.



Vertical leg presses. Takes up less space in my basement than a 45 degree sled and you don't need as much weight. Love this machine.

6 ft I would have not put you that tall. That's a game changer. Hummm
If you had said 5-8/9 I would put you 265-75 lbs
Dang. 6 ft. 245-55 lbs
Am I close?

Funny what you said about weight and getting obsessed. Just had a conversation about that yesterday. Buddy wants to hit 250 and I told him hey it's just a number. But I also said I want to hit 225 both of us at 10%. Lol

[BG]

Matter of fact, he's the only one that knows what I weigh. He forced (badgered) me into weighing myself a few months ago and I had not been on the scale in literally years, as I don't see a need.


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I know too...... You told me a while ago.....your getting old buddy !

[kelkel]

6 ft I would have not put you that tall. That's a game changer. Hummm
If you had said 5-8/9 I would put you 265-75 lbs
Dang. 6 ft. 245-55 lbs
Am I close?

Funny what you said about weight and getting obsessed. Just had a conversation about that yesterday. Buddy wants to hit 250 and I told him hey it's just a number. But I also said I want to hit 225 both of us at 10%. Lol

A bit shy of that. Maybe by next cycle though, if I get on a scale that is. I always tend to look much heavier than I actually am. My physique is more in line with a Bob Paris or Berry DeMay style if you recall those guys from the past.

I know too...... You told me a while ago.....your getting old buddy !

The mind's a terrible thing. I was probably still traumatized from Marcus!

[Capebuffalo]

Yeah you do. Especially at 6 ft. When you can't stand it any longer you can pm me and tell me what you weigh. . What ever you weigh you look huge.

[marcus300]

Plan

If my schedule permits

Started priming today for 8 weeks - 3 to 1 for the first week then 4 to 1 second week and then change acordinly to how i feel and look for ther following weeks. Dropped the low deca dose for my joints 10 days ago so at the moment just running my TRT nebido 1000mgs every 11weeks. My lifestyle is like it use to be for various reason so its hard to say how things will turn because my work load can change within mintues so fingers crossed everything will go smoothly and the pre cycle prime will be sucessful. Got 2 cycles in mind for the rebound

WK 1- 6 test P 1500-2000 ( undecided of dose yet)
Wk 1-6 NPP 600mg
WK 1-6 Var 150mgs daily

or

WK 1-6 Test P 1000mg
WK 1-6 Tren 700mgs
WK 1- 6 Var 150mgs daily


Yes thats right my test is higher than tren, I dont follow the crowd on that one to be honest because i can manage sides and my body builds muscle on test so why on earth would i drop it lower, been there and tried it and for me test works wonders and so does tren so I use test higher because higher tren causes me problems but that was on 200mg + per day. I also respond well to NPP and test this combo is a great and it also worth a few good decent lbs of LBM. Ive found a Var what is real var, not underdosed and not the usual make believe var whats been knocking for yrs, so cant wait to use this. My friend has just used it and he changed everytime i saw him, so looking forward to that in the mix.


During the pre cycle prime my training will be the same except for slightly lower intensity on certain days, I will build up the training intensity slowly over the prime and also this will help to keep recent injury repairing while my body starts depleting and trying to open a growth window. I can usually see and feel how things are going within 2 weeks of any prime so i will adjust to how things are going.

[Back In Black]

Fvck that sounds like a lot of var, especially if its real. Have you ran it that high before? Also, plenty of people say you won't feel/notice var so much if you are on tren , you feel differently? Or is that why the dosage of var is so high (to me at least)?

[krugerr]

Wow Marcus, some nice doses. I was going to ask the same as BiB.

If you get good LBM gains off both NPP and Tren . What's going to be the deciding factor for you on which you choose?

Tried tren and I loved it, felt like Hercules on it, I've yet to try NPP. So just curious as to your thought process.

[austinite]

Plan

If my schedule permits

Started priming today for 8 weeks - 3 to 1 for the first week then 4 to 1 second week and then change acordinly to how i feel and look for ther following weeks. Dropped the low deca dose for my joints 10 days ago so at the moment just running my TRT nebido 1000mgs every 11weeks. My lifestyle is like it use to be for various reason so its hard to say how things will turn because my work load can change within mintues so fingers crossed everything will go smoothly and the pre cycle prime will be sucessful. Got 2 cycles in mind for the rebound

WK 1- 6 test P 1500-2000 ( undecided of dose yet)
Wk 1-6 NPP 600mg
WK 1-6 Var 150mgs daily

or

WK 1-6 Test P 1000mg
WK 1-6 Tren 700mgs
WK 1- 6 Var 150mgs daily


Yes thats right my test is higher than tren, I dont follow the crowd on that one to be honest because i can manage sides and my body builds muscle on test so why on earth would i drop it lower, been there and tried it and for me test works wonders and so does tren so I use test higher because higher tren causes me problems but that was on 200mg + per day. I also respond well to NPP and test this combo is a great and it also worth a few good decent lbs of LBM. Ive found a Var what is real var, not underdosed and not the usual make believe var whats been knocking for yrs, so cant wait to use this. My friend has just used it and he changed everytime i saw him, so looking forward to that in the mix.


During the pre cycle prime my training will be the same except for slightly lower intensity on certain days, I will build up the training intensity slowly over the prime and also this will help to keep recent injury repairing while my body starts depleting and trying to open a growth window. I can usually see and feel how things are going within 2 weeks of any prime so i will adjust to how things are going.

I like that prop/NPP/Var cycle. I don't know that I could do that much prop! lol - that's a result producing cycle in the right hands.

[krugerr]

I like that prop/NPP/Var cycle. I don't know that I could do that much prop! lol - that's a result producing cycle in the right hands.

I'm not sure I could handle that volume of injections either!

[Hazard]

I LOVE test..... I fvckin love it lol. I did a higher dose test only run and it was great.

I like the test dose for you..... You're a big fella lol. I'd be caught between the npp and tren also. I guess a deciding factor will be what you're looking for. Naturally the tren will keep you leaner but again..... Your diet and everything else will be on point so......

If you respond to test so well I'd almost be inclined to go with the higher test, npp, and var. with the prime, your experience, knowledge, and training style..... You should get on real nice!

[austinite]

I LOVE test..... I fvckin love it lol. I did a higher dose test only run and it was great.

I like the test dose for you..... You're a big fella lol. I'd be caught between the npp and tren also. I guess a deciding factor will be what you're looking for. Naturally the tren will keep you leaner but again..... Your diet and everything else will be on point so......

If you respond to test so well I'd almost be inclined to go with the higher test, npp, and var. with the prime, your experience, knowledge, and training style..... You should get on real nice!

What ester, how much, how long?

[Hazard]

What ester, how much, how long?

I used test e..... 1500mg for a few months. I didn't want to use a 19nor and decided to higher dose it. I actually was experimenting with compounds and dosing. I don't want to post everything in the open but let's say it was the "middle" portion of a longer style cycle.

I don't think one should rely on tren 2-3 times a year to build or lean out. So with a good diet an higher test dosage..... One can do well. I really don't get too many sides. I don't bloat much, I get mild acne when I go on or come off, that's about it. I can say that at 1500mgs bloating started to show. I wasn't too consistent with an AI then either.

[marcus300]

Fvck that sounds like a lot of var, especially if its real. Have you ran it that high before? Also, plenty of people say you won't feel/notice var so much if you are on tren, you feel differently? Or is that why the dosage of var is so high (to me at least)?

150mgs of var is a sweet spot for me, ive done it before without any issues and its mild towards drol which causes me problems but drol is soooo nice. Var works great with test and tren and the reason why people say its pointless in a combo like that is because they havent took real var or its been really underdosed. Its very expensive and the UGL's love expensive orals and thats why they underdose it and i know for a fact that some major ugls dont even put var in but other cheaper orals. If var doesnt work for someone thats fine but most people cant get real var IMHO. Ive used a lot of aas at high dose in my experimental stages, but that's not high for me

[marcus300]

Wow Marcus, some nice doses. I was going to ask the same as BiB.

If you get good LBM gains off both NPP and Tren . What's going to be the deciding factor for you on which you choose?

Tried tren and I loved it, felt like Hercules on it, I've yet to try NPP. So just curious as to your thought process.

Dosages aren't high for me to be honest. How I'm looking and feeling towards the end of the prime will dictate which cycle

[marcus300]

I like that prop/NPP/Var cycle. I don't know that I could do that much prop! lol - that's a result producing cycle in the right hands.

It's not a lot mate lol

[marcus300]

I'm not sure I could handle that volume of injections either!

Do you know where most of the volume goes. .....biceps

[Hazard]

Do you know where most of the volume goes. .....biceps

R u crazy? Lol

U hit both heads? How many ml? I can't hit my bis yet......

I said I'd never pin chest and wouldn't u know I love it now lol. It just feels like there's a bundle of tendons in my bis. Feels like it'd burn quite a bit

[marcus300]

R u crazy? Lol

U hit both heads? How many ml? I can't hit my bis yet......

I said I'd never pin chest and wouldn't u know I love it now lol. It just feels like there's a bundle on tendons in my bis. Feels like it'd burn quite a bit

Yes both long and short head. Helps with stretching those babies out a bit. I've had a few ml in those lol. Painful but only the pressure my prop is painless

[Hazard]

Yes both long and short head. Helps with stretching those babies out a bit. I've had a few ml in those lol. Painful but only the pressure my prop is painless

I can handle 2ml in my tris..... That's it. Too nervous to try bis yet but I'd love a new site.

[marcus300]

I can handle 2ml in my tris..... That's it. Too nervous to try bis yet but I'd love a new site.

I inject my trt into my biceps sometimes. You go in from the side.

I do triceps also but the fun comes when you do both then train arms. Good old days

[krugerr]

Ah fair enough Marcus, I'll be interested to see which you chose!

Biceps?! I can't get more than 1ml in mine without it being uncomfortable. Maybe my arms aren't big enough yet at 18"!

[clarky.]

The npp prop looks great big man I love npp/prop but no prop at that dose that's for the big boys lol can't wait to start mine next month

[Hazard]

I inject my trt into my biceps sometimes. You go in from the side.

I do triceps also but the fun comes when you do both then train arms. Good old days

Lmao I couldn't pin both tris and bis and do arms the same day...... I'd feel like my arms would pop. I try to pin a muscle that I know I won't hafta train the day after.

[marcus300]

Ah fair enough Marcus, I'll be interested to see which you chose!

Biceps?! I can't get more than 1ml in mine without it being uncomfortable. Maybe my arms aren't big enough yet at 18"!

1m? Put it in both heads from the side. Never go down the middle from the top. At 18's you should be getting 2 ml per head easy.