Chinese HGH concerns

[chi-town]

Wow!! really glad I found this thread. I was just about to buy the hyge blue tops and thought i would check on here and see what you guys thought of them. Looks like I saved myself $600 and a lot of disappointment. Thanks everyone for all the great information, I have really learned a lot from this website

[marcus300]

Wow!! really glad I found this thread. I was just about to buy the hyge blue tops and thought i would check on here and see what you guys thought of them. Looks like I saved myself $600 and a lot of disappointment. Thanks everyone for all the great information, I have really learned a lot from this website

You listened and did the right thing, many don't and wont believe it......well done

[Granovich]

You listened and did the right thing, many don't and wont believe it......well done

and alot go buy it and say its working not because they see results but they see Bloat and numb fingers and while they are on AAS they think gains are from HGH
its upsetting !!!!!

[marcus300]

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[Facecrash]

I got 4 10iu kits of jins from Ukraine. Ran 2iu for a month been running 3iu for 2 weeks and getting cts and knee pain. Hard to tell if I'm seeing gains since I started trt 2 months ago but I'm sleeping great despite a newborn. I checked gensci security number and fibers and the fibers are real not printed. i emailed the distributor and here is the response

"Dear _____

We sell only original Jintropin by GenSci. It has verification code so you can check at GenSci web-site.

You can find our customers at steroid .com web-forum and they reassure you that what we sell is original product.

Best regards,
***********"

[slimshady01]

I got 4 10iu kits of jins from Ukraine. Ran 2iu for a month been running 3iu for 2 weeks and getting cts and knee pain. Hard to tell if I'm seeing gains since I started trt 2 months ago but I'm sleeping great despite a newborn. I checked gensci security number and fibers and the fibers are real not printed. i emailed the distributor and here is the response

"Dear _____

We sell only original Jintropin by GenSci. It has verification code so you can check at GenSci web-site.

You can find our customers at steroid .com web-forum and they reassure you that what we sell is original product.

Best regards,
***********"

Funny their watching that thread

[marcus300]

Funny their watching that thread

Yes, think about that

Like ive mentioned don't buy anything from Russia or Ukraine yet.........things don't add up and when you suspect something is wrong its normally is....

[Hazard]

It's a shame if greed is the main factor. Why ruin a good thing?

[EasyDoesIt]

Yes, think about that

Like ive mentioned don't buy anything from Russia or Ukraine yet.........things don't add up and when you suspect something is wrong its normally is....

It's a shame if greed is the main factor. Why ruin a good thing?

They google reviews on their product. They want to see if anyone is giving good reviews and if people are starting to figure out that they started out having some good product and switched to fake. They apparently viewed some good reviews on this site and ran with it. Like the rest of the scammers, they figured we have good reviews, now lets start pumping out the crap. But they are too stupid and greedy to realize that there are dedicated and honorable mods, hall of famers and in general concerned people that are staying on it and keeping up on any fake products they may start to come out with.

[KRH]

Damn I wish I had seen this thread about a week ago. Now I'm stuck with a sh*t load of Hyge. Oh well at least I will learn from my mistakes. From now on I am only getting pharma grade GH. My main concern is not knowing about other brands of GH so it will be harder to spot a fake. Where as with Hyge it was too easy to spot fakes.

Also why's this thread just about China, surely there must be other countries doing the same thing as them? Any brand of GH is possible to fake, right?

[EasyDoesIt]

Damn I wish I had seen this thread about a week ago. Now I'm stuck with a sh*t load of Hyge. Oh well at least I will learn from my mistakes. From now on I am only getting pharma grade GH. My main concern is not knowing about other brands of GH so it will be harder to spot a fake. Where as with Hyge it was too easy to spot fakes.

Also why's this thread just about China, surely there must be other countries doing the same thing as them? Any brand of GH is possible to fake, right?

The thread is about China and has been an active thread for a long time due to the fact that one of the Vet's here made a discovery about the Chinese HGH. i am not aware of any of the other major pharmaceutical companies in other countries putting out counterfeits to sell to the US. Your profile states that you are 19 years old which IMO is way to young to be using HGH.
I am not really familiar with what goes on in other countries such as England and Underground Labs trying to counterfeit major pharm companies HGH. Many of the fake hgh that has come out of China was not from some little UGL it was from the companies themselves. Maybe manufacturers in other countries have a different mentality than China. I would like to phrase it as DIGNITY over the DOLLAR...

[KRH]

The thread is about China and has been an active thread for a long time due to the fact that one of the Vet's here made a discovery about the Chinese HGH. i am not aware of any of the other major pharmaceutical companies in other countries putting out counterfeits to sell to the US. Your profile states that you are 19 years old which IMO is way to young to be using HGH.
I am not really familiar with what goes on in other countries such as England and Underground Labs trying to counterfeit major pharm companies HGH. Many of the fake hgh that has come out of China was not from some little UGL it was from the companies themselves. Maybe manufacturers in other countries have a different mentality than China. I would like to phrase it as DIGNITY over the DOLLAR...

Yeah I need to change that. I'm not 19, you're not the first person that has told me about my profile. I lied about my age for a good reason that I won't go into. I wish I was 19 again though

Also this is why it worries me because no one is sure what goes on with other countries, so we don't know if if its just China. I am also getting some American Pharma Grade GH, but I am not sure if it's a knock off or not.

Anyway thanks for the info

[EasyDoesIt]

Yeah I need to change that. I'm not 19, you're not the first person that has told me about my profile. I lied about my age for a good reason that I won't go into. I wish I was 19 again though

Also this is why it worries me because no one is sure what goes on with other countries, so we don't know if if its just China. I am also getting some American Pharma Grade GH, but I am not sure if it's a knock off or not.

Anyway thanks for the info

China is the main topic because they are the ones that have been counterfeiting. Pharm grade HGH from other countries outside of China and US Is difficult to obtain. Does not seem to be an issue from what i have encountered as far as counterfeiting There packaging etc, does not make it easy for counterfeiters. most educated on HGH will not buy the Chinese hgh and the ones that do are only interested in the cost being the number one factor. Just does not seem to be a market to counterfeit some of the major pharm manufacturers. If there were no options other than the pharm grades out there and all this chinese junk were not available, i think you would start seeing some knock offs of pharm. You will have to do your research on the US that you have and seek out packaging, where obtained etc. If you are taking the US, and have been for awhile you would know. If you are wondering about it and have been using for a few months, it's not a good sign.

[KRH]

China is the main topic because they are the ones that have been counterfeiting. Pharm grade HGH from other countries outside of China and US Is difficult to obtain. Does not seem to be an issue from what i have encountered as far as counterfeiting There packaging etc, does not make it easy for counterfeiters. most educated on HGH will not buy the Chinese hgh and the ones that do are only interested in the cost being the number one factor. Just does not seem to be a market to counterfeit some of the major pharm manufacturers. If there were no options other than the pharm grades out there and all this chinese junk were not available, i think you would start seeing some knock offs of pharm. You will have to do your research on the US that you have and seek out packaging, where obtained etc. If you are taking the US, and have been for awhile you would know. If you are wondering about it and have been using for a few months, it's not a good sign.

Thanks, also I'm a fast learner. I've only decided today that I am going to take pharma grade GH. Like I said I've only just seen this thread today. I am kind of pissed about it though, mods on other forums brainwashed me into thinking that Hyge is good to go. Now I'm stuck with a load of crap hyge. Also my supplier is ripping my off with pharma grade GH

[EasyDoesIt]

I would be very cautious if you are purchasing the Pharm grade from the same person you purchase the fake. I know what you mean about some of the other forums out there.

[KRH]

I would be very cautious if you are purchasing the Pharm grade from the same person you purchase the fake. I know what you mean about some of the other forums out there.

Yeah I am very cautious. My supplier buys from someone else, I don't think he tried to rip me off with that Hyge I generally think he doesn't know it's fake. He gets pharma grade GH from someone else so it should be fine. However it's Omnitrope GH, so I've no idea how to spot a fake for that brand. Also the only reason people are still falling for Hyge is because of these other forums still promoting this crap because they are too stubborn to admit that Hyge is fake BS.

[EasyDoesIt]

Yeah I am very cautious. My supplier buys from someone else, I don't think he tried to rip me off with that Hyge I generally think he doesn't know it's fake. He gets pharma grade GH from someone else so it should be fine. However it's Omnitrope GH, so I've no idea how to spot a fake for that brand. Also the only reason people are still falling for Hyge is because of these other forums still promoting this crap because they are too stubborn to admit that Hyge is fake BS.

Yes i have viewed posts on other forums and am amazed at the endorsements of that junk. But that is not the only reason, many people do not even bother researching anything and look only at the price. When there sitting on 4 or 5 kits, they do not even want to research it.

[marcus300]

The other forums are sponsors for them and also reps and false accounts to suck membersoin to part with their money

[austinite]

The other forums are sponsors for them and also reps and false accounts to suck membersoin to part with their money

Yup. Very common.

[EasyDoesIt]

The other forums are sponsors for them and also reps and false accounts to suck membersoin to part with their money

Yeah, they more than just endorse the products, their very aggressive in sales and pound you with BS emails to buy. For a paid membership, you get blah, blah. I registered with some of those forums just to review posts. You can really appreciate this one after reading info on others. Those are the kind of sites that draw attention in the wrong way.

[EasyDoesIt]

The other forums are sponsors for them and also reps and false accounts to suck membersoin to part with their money

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[Microbrew]

Peptides pinned before blood work would spike GH serum levels as well and GHRP's are known to be faked for GH.

GHRP's reach peak levels in 40mins, they won't be high enough to be positive on a hgh serum test if done right.

[Microbrew]

I got my results back from Labcorps. My Blood serum level was 13.8, blood was drawn 3hrs and 20 mins after injecting 8ius SC in naval area. This was quite a bit lower than others had gotten. I read that a score of double the iu amount was closer to reality with HGH. And if that is the case then it was fairly close. I wish I had done a igf-1 test also. What do you guys think? Should I retest with 10 ius and get the igf-1 test also? Should I inject IM instead? BTW the serial number checked out on the .com.cn website and these are the 200iu kits with 25 8iu vials.

That is pretty low for the 8ius ones. I scored 36 on Hyge serum test and 49 with the 10iu hyges. I don't hold hardly any water from Hyge's.

Everyone is different when it comes to holding water. People hold water on Pharm Grade and get the same sides as generics.

There are shitty generics and really good generics. I consider Hyges the best generic out of china.

[Microbrew]

Thanks Marcus, But whatb the hell do I do with 400ius of h y g e 's. I have used them for 6 weeks now and my test did show elevated hgh? If an igf-1 test came back in the 400's would you still be convinced they were bunk? And please don't take offense marcus I am just so disappointed that this would be the case. And can you tell me about how much it would cost to run pharm grade for 5 days a week, approximate? I paid about $2 an iu for my generic.

Use them Hyges are good if you got them from the right place. I do agree that over 90% of gh out of china is crap but there are some good ones.

[marcus300]

Use them Hyges are good if you got them from the right place. .

I disagree, there are no good hyges even from the right place or direct from the factory. I'd read the whole thread and may give you a better understanding on how corrupt the Chinese are. I know none of us what to believe we have been buying something else but its true.

[EasyDoesIt]

People here are missing the point, "If you can not afford a Lamborghini then do not buy one". I just had this conversation with a friend of mine. He is buying junk HGH. He said yeah but this is much cheaper. I tried to explain to him that the comparison is not apples to apples. You are not buying hgh. There is a reason people end up on this thread and it is usually suspicion of what they have. Here in US, the pharmacies can not buy there Pharm grade HGH at wholesale for anywhere near what people are buying counterfeit for. There is a reason for that.

The demand for HGH is high enough for the Chinese to keep rolling out product. If real pharm hgh was able to be produced at the prices affordable enough for as many customers out there seeking it, someone would be doing it and selling loads of it through Anti-Aging clinics. There are no half price Lamborghini's. Thats just the way it is. No one here has anything to gain by stating the Chinese hgh purchased is counterfeit. No one here can fix the problem of someone buying several hundred units and seeking Validation of there product being quality. I would bet that people reading this thread will not buy the same hgh again. I was fortunate as i almost bought four kits of Jin and only bought one. After my discovery of the jin being junk, i knew i was ripped off, but then thought, it could have been worse. That lure of the great price makes people buy much more.
I have no interest in convincing anyone to do anything they do not want to do, but someone who is thinking about buying 4 or 5 kits may think twice after reading this thread. Getting burned is a very violated feeling and no one likes it.
Best to all,

[Sgt. Hartman]

GHRP's reach peak levels in 40mins, they won't be high enough to be positive on a hgh serum test if done right.

True, but they're still very elevated at 2 and 3 hours and don't return to baseline til beyond 4.

The point is whatever that garbage is isn't real GH and could be some sort of GHRP combo or anything really.

[Sgt. Hartman]

That is pretty low for the 8ius ones. I scored 36 on Hyge serum test and 49 with the 10iu hyges. I don't hold hardly any water from Hyge's.

So you're happy that your hyges elevated your gh serum to about double what studies show real pharm gh should??

Let me guess your hyges are overdosed lol.

[slimshady01]

So you're happy that your hyges elevated your gh serum to about double what studies show real pharm gh should??

Let me guess your hyges are overdosed lol.

That's the red flag for me that people get double or triple the labs of human grade western pharm hgh....

Common sense says that's not right

[testluva]

I have used from my HRT Doc Sermorelin/GHRP and my body didn't respond to well from my baseline on GH Serum and IGF-1. It did bump up a bit but not much. So I know my body doesn't respond we'll to these Peptides that are mentioned to be used in this thread. When using Rips, Ukraine Jin and AnkeBio I got great results on both test. In fact they tripled my baseline. So I will agree to disagree that the Chinese GH are bunk and using Peptides. I have all the proof and I'm very satisfied with my selection of Chinese GH. This is just my own personal experience. Everyone responds different.

[Sgt. Hartman]

I have used from my HRT Doc Sermorelin/GHRP and my body didn't respond to well from my baseline on GH Serum and IGF-1. It did bump up a bit but not much. So I know my body doesn't respond we'll to these Peptides that are mentioned to be used in this thread. When using Rips, Ukraine Jin and AnkeBio I got great results on both test. In fact they tripled my baseline. So I will agree to disagree that the Chinese GH are bunk and using Peptides. I have all the proof and I'm very satisfied with my selection of Chinese GH. This is just my own personal experience. Everyone responds different.

A solid peptide protocol has been shown to produce similar GH results regardless of age so either your peps were underdosed/bunk or you have an issue that needs to be addressed with your pituitary gland. Simply saying they don't work for you is subjective at best.

And putting much credibility in blood tests from GH serum is ridiculous IMO. The bio-availability of GH is impossible to test so a GH serum triple baseline is completely meaningless at proving the efficacy of the hormone. It's a recombinant complex peptide chain that must be refined and filtered many times and the by products of the ecoli can produce the same and much more exaggerated sides of real pharm GH.

The serum test is mostly meaningless compared to the desired results from GH and regardless of blood test scores rips are not bio available legit GH. Everyone does respond differently to a certain extent but the variability is very limited with pharm GH and seems to be to a ridiculous extent with generics regardless of source.

[marcus300]

A solid peptide protocol has been shown to produce similar GH results regardless of age so either your peps were underdosed/bunk or you have an issue that needs to be addressed with your pituitary gland. Simply saying they don't work for you is subjective at best.

And putting much credibility in blood tests from GH serum is ridiculous IMO. The bio-availability of GH is impossible to test so a GH serum triple baseline is completely meaningless at proving the efficacy of the hormone. It's a recombinant complex peptide chain that must be refined and filtered many times and the by products of the ecoli can produce the same and much more exaggerated sides of real pharm GH.

The serum test is mostly meaningless compared to the desired results from GH and regardless of blood test scores rips are not bio available legit GH. Everyone does respond differently to a certain extent but the variability is very limited with pharm GH and seems to be to a ridiculous extent with generics regardless of source.

Agreed, this is been said time and time again throughout this thread. Anyone concerned about generics please read the whole thread it will take you a few days but you will have your eyes opened.

Don't just post its all about the source shite or my generics are great due to my blood work crap, we all use to think the same but one thing never changes you use pharm grade HGH for a good amount of time at a reasonable dose and you will see Chinese generics vs pharm grade is like comparing salt against pepper - its completely different

[slimshady01]

Lol salt and pepper! I just loled out loud in a meeting!

[fattexan]

I ran Jins for almost 9 weeks, at 2iu. Supplier ran out of Jins, and I got pissed, so I asked if they'd swap my already-paid order for some Hyges. $300 for 50iu of the Jins, $600 for 200iu of the Hyges. Supplier agreed and shipped the Hyges. I ran 2iu last week and 4iu this week. I was getting numb fingers/cold feet at 2iu on the Jins, and I'm getting NOTHING from the Hyges. Go figure.

That's what I get for not waiting for the Jins to come back in stock. Props to the supplier for switching it when I asked, but I should have listened to the masses.

[Facecrash]

Just an update, I stopped taking 1.5 iu 2 weeks ago and feel myself again. The cts in my hands is almost all gone and knee and back pain gone completely

I had fake Jin with the security code and fibers checking out as real. I wasted 2k

Lesson learned ; even the most credible source checks cannot overcome the greed of foreign pharmacies who won't think twice about poisoning people and swindling those looking to better their lives. Bigger lesson learned; god/source/the universe has a plan for us all and we can accomplish anything we want naturally. There are no short cuts in life, you have to work hard to attain perfection, and bliss.

Or, just be prepared to pay a lot, so what I mean is that shortcuts are expensive

[EasyDoesIt]

Just an update, I stopped taking 1.5 iu 2 weeks ago and feel myself again. The cts in my hands is almost all gone and knee and back pain gone completely

I had fake Jin with the security code and fibers checking out as real. I wasted 2k

Lesson learned ; even the most credible source checks cannot overcome the greed of foreign pharmacies who won't think twice about poisoning people and swindling those looking to better their lives. Bigger lesson learned; god/source/the universe has a plan for us all and we can accomplish anything we want naturally. There are no short cuts in life, you have to work hard to attain perfection, and bliss.

Or, just be prepared to pay a lot, so what I mean is that shortcuts are expensive

That really sucks, seems like there attempts to create side effects with the junk is getting worse. It seemed unusual to me to have knee and back pain especially with such a low dose. There attempts at counterfeiting is terrible and who knows what they are putting in there to have such bad sides. I am sure they are not testing them out on themselves.

[Facecrash]

No you are right, we are the lab rats. And as you see from my prior posts they're monitoring this board to see how much heat is on them. I'm going to contact gensci directly and use my resources in the law to put more heat on them to prevent others from going through the agony I went through. It is dispicable. What's more awful are the pm messages from idiot board members asking me if I want to sell. Don't trust anyone... Even those who claim to be experts

[EasyDoesIt]

No you are right, we are the lab rats. And as you see from my prior posts they're monitoring this board to see how much heat is on them. I'm going to contact gensci directly and use my resources in the law to put more heat on them to prevent others from going through the agony I went through. It is dispicable. What's more awful are the pm messages from idiot board members asking me if I want to sell. Don't trust anyone... Even those who claim to be "mods" or experts...

Without incriminating , I think there are people on this board that are in on this. I'm sorry to say it but the evidence is there

From as long as i have been involved with this thread, the mods etc. work full time to watch for people scamming and trying to sell etc. They are responsible for protecting this site and it would not be around long if they let things run rampid. I don't believe you will get very far with Gensci as they know that here in the US there is no one to complain to. if they were selling from the US it would be a problem, but when you buy from China, it is a risk they know you can not complain about. Myself along with others here have been preaching over and over "Do not buy from China". The problem is that many do not research until after the fact. Many of the profiles here can not be validated and mods vets etc. spend a lot of time trying to prevent these problems. i have stated before that this is for educational purposes. it is a shame what has happened to yourself and many others. I have found this site to be the most informative and not trying to sell. I have been on other sites and seen what they have endorsed. You have to use your own judgement and stay away from risks. If there is a risk involved, you proceed at your own risk.

[marcus300]

No you are right, we are the lab rats. And as you see from my prior posts they're monitoring this board to see how much heat is on them. I'm going to contact gensci directly and use my resources in the law to put more heat on them to prevent others from going through the agony I went through. It is dispicable. What's more awful are the pm messages from idiot board members asking me if I want to sell. Don't trust anyone... Even those who claim to be "mods" or experts...

Without incriminating , I think there are people on this board that are in on this. I'm sorry to say it but the evidence is there

Ive never seen any evidence to say mods are involved in any kind of scam related to gh, if you have evidence please send me a pm explaining..Mod have always looked after the members that's why this thread was started and also exposed ankie and the suspicions about the Russians.

[austinite]

No you are right, we are the lab rats. And as you see from my prior posts they're monitoring this board to see how much heat is on them. I'm going to contact gensci directly and use my resources in the law to put more heat on them to prevent others from going through the agony I went through. It is dispicable. What's more awful are the pm messages from idiot board members asking me if I want to sell. Don't trust anyone... Even those who claim to be "mods" or experts...

Without incriminating , I think there are people on this board that are in on this. I'm sorry to say it but the evidence is there

Why don't you elaborate a little more on your "mod" comment there. What evidence are you talking about, Face? If you can't provide more info then everything you say is worthless. So let's hear it or go in the 1 on 1 section and provide details. Certainly, being a member here, you naturally have the forum's best interest, correct?