Chinese HGH concerns

[hankdiesel]

anything F*CKING CHINESE, is F*CKING FAKE!! However it comes in. End of story.

that is bullshit

[gixxerboy1]

that is bullshit

God knows i love my chicken chow mein

[Edwin23q]

anything F*CKING CHINESE, is F*CKING FAKE!! However it comes in. End of story.

What? I bought a TAG watch from china with 0.5ct diamonds all around it for $15, you telling me that's fake too???
Lol

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[hankdiesel]

God knows i love my chicken chow mein

Haha. But for real, you're not narrow mined enough to say that every last bit of hgh coming out of China is fake. That is what the guy I quoted is saying. I understand there is a lot of garbage out there and "buyer beware" should be used in nearly all cases. I'm not going to put percentages on it and try to decide exactly how much is fake, peptides, real hgh, or whatever. I'm just saying that I would find it hard to believe that every last kit that the entire country produces is fake.

[EasyDoesIt]

Haha. But for real, you're not narrow mined enough to say that every last bit of hgh coming out of China is fake. That is what the guy I quoted is saying. I understand there is a lot of garbage out there and "buyer beware" should be used in nearly all cases. I'm not going to put percentages on it and try to decide exactly how much is fake, peptides, real hgh, or whatever. I'm just saying that I would find it hard to believe that every last kit that the entire country produces is fake.

I am not sure if you have been following this at all, but most here have made some very similar discoveries the hard way. I am in the U.S. and as far as HGH from China we have gone through all the things we thought were legitimate through Jins, authentication codes which were authentic, except they were authentic through jins fake site. Yes JIN SITE. It is a site that sells to people, not the medical industry. Myself and many others have taken several of the Chinese brands and many jokes have been made to the infamous BLUE TOPS, and any other colored tops someone could buy. Recently some members such as Marcus300 discovered fake ansomone by ankiebio, i am not familiar with them, but i guess many have been buying from them for many years and recently discovered counterfeit HGH. The Chinese have discovered great methods to counterfeiting, HGH using various peptides that mimic some sides of HGH. Some of the sides are terrible and some have had some vey bad health effects fro the hgh. Basically China "the govenment" does not care if the suppliers are selling fake HGH to people outside of China. Also, they know there is no one to complain to. The other thing they have figured out is that as long as they have people buying and re-selling of anywhere between 200.00 - 250.00 per kit, they are going to continue to have customers. WE have already gone through the reality that real HGH can not be sold for anywhere near that cheap, due to the manufacturing costs. This thread has been very helpful in verifying suspicions that many like myself had based on side effects that i was having and lack of results. Akso, lack of consistency from batch to batch. Probably be a good idea to go back and read some of the posts from Marcus300, extralarg and a few others that have had many years of buying pharm grade hgh and explanations of the products from china. This thread has helped many people. A lot of people have been using or reselling HGH from China and do not want to believe that the 100's of kits they have been selling of the 5 kits sitting in there refrigerator are junk. There has been some talk of Ukrainian JIN'S being real. Here is the link which was posted very recently. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UQ6ZCKUwV8s
Also, people like myself have used real Pharm grade HGH and and counterfiet Pharm along with the generics and the difference is obvious as "night and day". That conclusion has been CONFIRMED over and over among many users on this thread.

[EasyDoesIt]

I am beginning to think it would be a good idea for this thread to have a new person being able to post on this thread having to read a number of threads before posting on it. I know myself and many others have re-posted the same information over and over everytime a new person gets on that is convinced of the Chinese HGH being real and then changing there opinion after reading many of the posts. I among others do not want to continue repeating ourselves, but the thread was meant to help others who have had suspicions such as myself end up here. This is no reflection on yourself Hankdiesel it just happens to be that i for one can see that this is going to be a never ending process. I guess the other method would be to have a quick reply with let's say 6 links of some of the very convincing explanations and damaging results members have had. Due to the fact that the thread was started from the negative and damaging health discoveries from the Chinese HGH and efforts to help those that are seeking knowledge based on suspicions. I have no control over this, but this is such a sensitive issue and many people today are buying HGH that have never used HGH or gear of any type and are doing internet research before they purchase a product like this from someone they don't know or a friend is referring them to. Due to the magic of HGH many people are interested in it's anti aging and miraculous benefits of fat loss and muscular development at the correct dosages. Obviously the prescription costs through Anti-aging clinics is prohibitive to many. That causes seeking other resources for purchase. Those people are very uneducated and we here are trying to help them from throwing there money away and possibly injecting something that may cause damaging health effects. Just a thought...

[swithuk]

yes its the best site/thread ive come across

[EasyDoesIt]

yEh well there is realHGH from Russia and Ukraine, right Danb?

That's why i placed the link about it. I personally have no knowledge of it. But there is positive feedback about it here on this thread.

[johnk271]

EasyDoesIt - what differences have you noticed between the real stuff and fake stuff? Just curious, not calling you out or anything because i believe everythIng from China is fake as well.

[swithuk]

Most is but not all........

[hellokitty08]

What? I bought a TAG watch from china with 0.5ct diamonds all around it for $15, you telling me that's fake too???
Lol

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yes that is fake. the cheapest TAG watch is $800 and you paid $15. Not only is it fake, IT'S EXTRA FAKE. lol

[Perseverance1]

So you guys are saying all "hyge" HGH is fake? My online source has hyge HGH out of China and someone left a review saying it was legit and that they confirmed via blood tests.....do you think that was a fake review or???


I'm just trying to find some legit HGH to help heal my shoulder.....

[Edwin23q]

yes that is fake. the cheapest TAG watch is $800 and you paid $15. Not only is it fake, IT'S EXTRA FAKE. lol

Lol I know.

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[hellokitty08]

hehe

[EasyDoesIt]

EasyDoesIt - what differences have you noticed between the real stuff and fake stuff? Just curious, not calling you out or anything because i believe everythIng from China is fake as well.

My results based on only use of 2-3 units 5 on 2 off. Real pharm grade HGH improves skin at which being 58 is noticeable to me. Rapid hair growth and healthier hair again at my age is very noticeable. Fat loss at only an average eating plan takes you back to younger years and you go, wow i'm not even eating good and maintaining muscle mass while not gaining body fat without much training. Long term have been muscle density continues to improve, hardness, fat loss. I will be able to guage sleeping better now that my schedule is not so screwed up. So as we know after even 40 it is harder to develop muscle mass let alone maintain it. But dedication, proper training and rest will make it happen even without hgh. HGH increases and improves everything at a much faster rate and you will see in the mirror physical differences and for me i see vascularity and ability to keep my body-fat down. This does not happen overnight. I truly believe it does reverse the aging process in many ways. It is hard to explain that to someone in there 20’s or 30’s. I know the facts state that 2iu’s will not increase muscle mass, but I disagree based on someone who is training properly and eating right. I personally am predisposed to being fat. I was chubby as a kid and had various areas of my body that were challenged. So at a low dosage, such as i am taking, the slight muscle mass increases and staying lean along with skin and hair improvement are my observations. Presently i am just maintaining, as my schedule has not allowed much training. I will tell you for sure even when i was in my 30's which seems like a child at this stage of my life, based on my present training and eating habits that i would look BAD. Body fat comes easy to me! Lol Cosmetically, i would never keep fullness in my muscles without quality training and diet. I am still amazed at how well the PHARM-GRADE works! My schedule is about to change and i am going to start working out hard again and be able to get more rest. I am anxious to start working out seriously again. KEEP IN MIND THAT I AM SPEAKING WITH A HISTORY OF EXERCISE AND MARTIAL ARTS MOST OF MY LIFE. I owned a Martial Arts School for many years and trained with weights and Martial Arts very hard. For the past 5-1/2 years i had been working a night job that was very stressful and on my feet for 10 hours till 7:00 am and also maintaining a personal training business during the day. About a year and a half ago i finally hit the wall completely burnt out and dropped training business, due to the weak economy. I am now just starting to train people again and no longer working nights. That is all more information that i care to share on this forum and you probably do not want to hear. Point being just sustaining all that at my age is a task. Without the HGH I do not want to even imagine what i would look like!! LOL! Also, i do run about 250mgs of sustanon per week, broken up into two shots per week. I would like to take 5-6iu's of HGH at some point, but i need a reason beyond maintenance to do that. Maybe a photo shoot as i do not compete.

Fake HGH that i have had caused excessive bloating and water retention of a minimum of 10-12lbs. I kept upping the dosage until i reached 6iu's and i only looked softer and worse due to water retention. At that time my diet and training was much better than it is now, due to my schedule. Also, my blood sugar was out of whack. (Also, please no one tell me HGH can cause the blood sugar problems) I have posted this before and comments came back referring to hgh affecting blood sugar. "You would not have the problems regarding blood sugar" i was, on real HGH as i never do anymore. I would take a protein shake, eat added protein and take my hgh. I know probably better to take in the evening as i do now, but 20-30 minutes after taking i would start shaking and feel like i needed sugar and food again. Which was not normal. my jintropin at the time had authentication codes etc. I knew it was not working and the water retention along with the higher doses making me look like shit, led me here. That was when i discovered the blood sugar problem due to ghrp-6 probably being in the fake HGH. I stopped taking it and the water retention went away pretty quick and i started looking like i normally would. Prior to that i had various brands from China and generics from China. Some did absolutely nothing and others i thought were improving some fat loss. When it came to the point that my sides were getting bad and i thought i had the best product from China that was available to me, that's when I quit taking HGH for quite awhile, until someone i knew had Sero. After taking it i was no longer questioning results as they were real. I am definitely gathering up links from this thread to post when asked this question again, as I have stated this before and can see it will go on and on with new members on here. This thread is LONNNNGGG!

[AnabolicDoc]

The filler can't possible have this kind of side effects (water retention etc). Its the side substances that some manufacture add to the HGH so that the customers get the inside side effects and weight gain that makes them say "Whaaa i'm gonna be Coleman in 2 months time". Its a scheme pulled in order to attract and convince a huge amount of users to use again and again HGH in order to get "big". It all starts from the wrong belief HGH will make you grow huge, being that the mass market is full of uneducated users, they hit for the mass market. Only a limited number of people do really know how real HGH works so this isn't an attractive and lucrative market for them. Real HGH isn't that spectacular at all except for those dieting and really knowing their shit, the mass market of users is not near a proper diet and don't take HGH for its main benefits which come around burning fat and leaner muscle, most of the people buy it for the purpose of getting "huge" fast. Since real HGH won't make you "huge" fast and even a dbol and sust cycle will blast you way bigger and heavier than any HGH cycle, the suppliers needed to tap into this market. This whole HGH scam started with the purpose to convince into buying HGH the people who want to get "huge". Then it looked far more attractive to downgrade the somatropin dosage and higher the other substances ever since customers were really glad with the water bloating (e.g. PM reviews). Today's situation got at where it is step by step and each year was moving towards this direction (people raving about getting big on hgh, people demanding much cheaper hgh, people boosting the fake hgh sellers). Step by step, nobody wants to sell real hgh anymore because its uncompetitive business and only a limited amount of people really appreciate. Give 4IU of real hgh to any 180lbs and 14% bodyfat average knowledge guy and he will throw it in your face in 1 month time saying you gave him water. Give him RIPS, and he will come back asking for more ever since he gained 8 kg of "muscle" in 1 month. Its the truth and it all comes down to the user, the chinese can make a good profit also on the real HGH they don't need to cheat the quality (i'm meaning the main guys, not the counterfeiters and scammers that try to make 10$ out of 50 cents) but when you can sell methylprednisolone and people come and ask for more more more why even bother with real HGH? Somatrope Pharmchemical is a BLAST in all Europe everybody buys it its on the net on shop in gyms, i was the one to prove it is relabeled methylprednisolone, the German customs analyzed it and its same result, cortisone, but this product is being sold for 7-8 years and still sells good ... what's the conclusion on that? And that one is a Bulgarian racket not a Chinese. Leave the racism card away and learn by being smarter not by out-casting a nation or 1.3 billion, you'll never win that game, they'll take over anyway

Very interesting post. So are you saying that most non-pharm grade hGH is a mix of peptides and methylprednisolone or just methylpred?

[johnk271]

EasyDoesIt - thanks for the reply. What sides do u feel from the legit gh if any??

[Synergy1]

My results based on only use of 2-3 units 5 on 2 off. Real pharm grade HGH improves skin at which being 58 is noticeable to me. Rapid hair growth and healthier hair again at my age is very noticeable. Fat loss at only an average eating plan takes you back to younger years and you go, wow i'm not even eating good and maintaining muscle mass while not gaining body fat without much training. Long term have been muscle density continues to improve, hardness, fat loss. I will be able to guage sleeping better now that my schedule is not so screwed up. So as we know after even 40 it is harder to develop muscle mass let alone maintain it. But dedication, proper training and rest will make it happen even without hgh. HGH increases and improves everything at a much faster rate and you will see in the mirror physical differences and for me i see vascularity and ability to keep my body-fat down. This does not happen overnight. I truly believe it does reverse the aging process in many ways. It is hard to explain that to someone in there 20’s or 30’s. I know the facts state that 2iu’s will not increase muscle mass, but I disagree based on someone who is training properly and eating right. I personally am predisposed to being fat. I was chubby as a kid and had various areas of my body that were challenged. So at a low dosage, such as i am taking, the slight muscle mass increases and staying lean along with skin and hair improvement are my observations. Presently i am just maintaining, as my schedule has not allowed much training. I will tell you for sure even when i was in my 30's which seems like a child at this stage of my life, based on my present training and eating habits that i would look BAD. Body fat comes easy to me! Lol Cosmetically, i would never keep fullness in my muscles without quality training and diet. I am still amazed at how well the PHARM-GRADE works! My schedule is about to change and i am going to start working out hard again and be able to get more rest. I am anxious to start working out seriously again. KEEP IN MIND THAT I AM SPEAKING WITH A HISTORY OF EXERCISE AND MARTIAL ARTS MOST OF MY LIFE. I owned a Martial Arts School for many years and trained with weights and Martial Arts very hard. For the past 5-1/2 years i had been working a night job that was very stressful and on my feet for 10 hours till 7:00 am and also maintaining a personal training business during the day. About a year and a half ago i finally hit the wall completely burnt out and dropped training business, due to the weak economy. I am now just starting to train people again and no longer working nights. That is all more information that i care to share on this forum and you probably do not want to hear. Point being just sustaining all that at my age is a task. Without the HGH I do not want to even imagine what i would look like!! LOL! Also, i do run about 250mgs of sustanon per week, broken up into two shots per week. I would like to take 5-6iu's of HGH at some point, but i need a reason beyond maintenance to do that. Maybe a photo shoot as i do not compete.

Fake HGH that i have had caused excessive bloating and water retention of a minimum of 10-12lbs. I kept upping the dosage until i reached 6iu's and i only looked softer and worse due to water retention. At that time my diet and training was much better than it is now, due to my schedule. Also, my blood sugar was out of whack. (Also, please no one tell me HGH can cause the blood sugar problems) I have posted this before and comments came back referring to hgh affecting blood sugar. "You would not have the problems regarding blood sugar" i was, on real HGH as i never do anymore. I would take a protein shake, eat added protein and take my hgh. I know probably better to take in the evening as i do now, but 20-30 minutes after taking i would start shaking and feel like i needed sugar and food again. Which was not normal. my jintropin at the time had authentication codes etc. I knew it was not working and the water retention along with the higher doses making me look like shit, led me here. That was when i discovered the blood sugar problem due to ghrp-6 probably being in the fake HGH. I stopped taking it and the water retention went away pretty quick and i started looking like i normally would. Prior to that i had various brands from China and generics from China. Some did absolutely nothing and others i thought were improving some fat loss. When it came to the point that my sides were getting bad and i thought i had the best product from China that was available to me, that's when I quit taking HGH for quite awhile, until someone i knew had Sero. After taking it i was no longer questioning results as they were real. I am definitely gathering up links from this thread to post when asked this question again, as I have stated this before and can see it will go on and on with new members on here. This thread is LONNNNGGG!

Thanks for the write up---very informative

[Edwin23q]

All I can say is that I have the best fridge in the world, lol




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[swithuk]

All I can say is that I have the best fridge in the world, lol




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whats your address ? and what time do you leave for work ?

[BlInDsIdE]

good lord- I'm jealous

All I can say is that I have the best fridge in the world, lol




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[Xtralarg]

All I can say is that I have the best fridge in the world, lol




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Did the police not find that when they busted you a few weeks ago?

[Edwin23q]

Did the police not find that when they busted you a few weeks ago?

New shipment.

I own 3 houses and the fridge always changes locations.
By the way the cops didnt search my house, they just came in and spoke to me about the seizures.

Your asking a lot of interesting questions my friend. Any motive behind it? Just curious.

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[swithuk]

[Xtralarg]

New shipment.

I own 3 houses and the fridge always changes locations.
By the way the cops didnt search my house, they just came in and spoke to me about the seizures.

Your asking a lot of interesting questions my friend. Any motive behind it? Just curious.

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I find it very hard to believe what you say, you squirmed about the letter and now you're telling us more things that any reasonable person would find difficult to believe.

It's obvious you have a massive ammount of gh and that you're very proud of it but if I were you I'd keep that sort of information to myself let alone post pics of it on the internet, it looks like your trying to sell it from where I'm standing and I'm not the only member of staff to think that. Be careful.

[marcus300]

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To be fair that looks like a fridge full of crap, I'd rather inject rat piss lol

[swithuk]

[swithuk]

new shipment.

I own 3 houses and the fridge always changes locations.
By the way the cops didnt search my house, they just came in and spoke to me about the seizures.

Your asking a lot of interesting questions my friend. Any motive behind it? Just curious.

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was that about the brain seizures youve been having ?

[Sheven]

Very interesting post. So are you saying that most non-pharm grade hGH is a mix of peptides and methylprednisolone or just methylpred?

no. the fake ones is metylprednisolone or peptides. there are plenty of +95% purity hgh around.

[Edwin23q]

I find it very hard to believe what you say, you squirmed about the letter and now you're telling us more things that any reasonable person would find difficult to believe.

It's obvious you have a massive ammount of gh and that you're very proud of it but if I were you I'd keep that sort of information to myself let alone post pics of it on the internet, it looks like your trying to sell it from where I'm standing and I'm not the only member of staff to think that. Be careful.

Think as you like mate but ask anyone if I've tried selling anything on here and you'll get the same answer which is a big no.
As I stated to you on a previous post/thread which I think this is now the continuation of I don't really know or understand or to be honest care anymore what your motive on here is, but it's clear that you stalk my posts about hgh and try to come up with a big conspiracy theory, lol
Anyway, just as I told you in the other thread, no hard feelings.

Marcus,
I know based on what's going around the presumption is automatically to think all hgh is low grade or crap, which I might add I agree with, but since there's no way of each of us proving each other right or wrong about my hgh ,then there's no point debating it.

To the other post stating a brain seizure?
No brain seizures here mate and never stated it anywhere, so not sure what your on yourself.

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[Xtralarg]

Think as you like mate but ask anyone if I've tried selling anything on here and you'll get the same answer which is a big no.
As I stated to you on a previous post/thread which I think this is now the continuation of I don't really know or understand or to be honest care anymore what your motive on here is, but it's clear that you stalk my posts about hgh and try to come up with a big conspiracy theory, lol
Anyway, just as I told you in the other thread, no hard feelings.

Marcus,
I know based on what's going around the presumption is automatically to think all hgh is low grade or crap, which I might add I agree with, but since there's no way of each of us proving each other right or wrong about my hgh ,then there's no point debating it.

To the other post stating a brain seizure?
No brain seizures here mate and never stated it anywhere, so not sure what your on yourself.

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Don't worry I'm not stalking you, if you think that it's probably just a bit of paranoia from whatever you're taking this week.

Now be a good boy and stop the silly lies you keep coming out with or else nobody will take you seriously on here.

[Edwin23q]

Don't worry I'm not stalking you, if you think that it's probably just a bit of paranoia from whatever you're taking this week.

Now be a good boy and stop the silly lies you keep coming out with or else nobody will take you seriously on here.

Sure whatever you say keyboard warrior, as stated numerous times before to you, don't worry about it. You obviously have some issues you need help with, I won't add anymore comments to this.

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[Xtralarg]

Sure whatever you say keyboard warrior, as stated numerous times before to you, don't worry about it. You obviously have some issues you need help with, I won't add anymore comments to this.

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This is the last time I will converse with you on open forum, if you wish to communicate with me then do it via pm, remember you are talking to a staff member and the way you are conducting yourself is attracting a lot of attention, take my advise and change your tone before its too late.

Stay off this thread unless you have a positive contribution to make and stop lying about silly things, it's not clever and people can see through it.

I repeat, if you want to carry on this conversation do it via pm, not on this thread or any other.

[EasyDoesIt]

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To be fair that looks like a fridge full of crap, I'd rather inject rat piss lol

I have to agree on the CRAP part!! I do not think i would be bragging about that. After all of this information and that??

[swithuk]

I have to agree on the CRAP part!! I do not think i would be bragging about that. After all of this information and that??

yeah and its clearly just an advertisement

[smilee2000]

This thread was killer until that ridiculous picture showed up! As far as the rest of the thread, all I can say is thank you guys! I have learned more than I ever thought possible. Love this forum!

[Hephens]

I will never touch generics again especially from china, after using pharm grade hgh. Theres no comparison these days and i understand why its soo expensive because its worth that much. The gains are completely different, for those who have seen my threads on this board regarding hgh from china i thought i had real deal well they were nothing more than peptides and they were still good for the money but it wasn't real synthetic hgh that your body produces.

Don't get me wrong china had some of the best hgh in the world yrs ago, when i first tried hgh yrs ago it was a Chinese generic kit and very similar to pharm grade i'm using now, just not as good but was extremely cheaper than what i'm paying for pharm grade now, just slightly less potent. From what i know these underground labs in china producing hgh are just taking raw materials and methods from the bigger companies back in the day like gensci and doing shortcuts to produce cheap hgh. I am really hopeing that china picks its act up and stops producing fake hgh and start making real hgh again at affordable prices for every1 to use but today it looks far from it and hgh in china is the most faked in the world now. I wasted soo much money, tried bluetops, jins, hygertropin, jins were very strong but still fake hgh.

[The Buckerlater]

Has anybody used this actual product from china it by a company called ORIGIN pic in closed I've used it before for 5 months with great results along side AAS I had to stop for three month due to finance but feel I have retained a lot of the fat lose and still felt its presents for at least a month after. Also my diet crashed as soon as I stopped because it was Christmas and didn't gain that much fat but still a little.
I totally trust my supplier as he is big in the game and has reputation to uphold, but there is always a chance something could slip through as you are only as good as your suppliers word.
So really just a post to say I've had and seen good results also if any one has used this I would be really interested in your results thanks

[gixxerboy1]

Has anybody used this actual product from china it by a company called ORIGIN pic in closed I've used it before for 5 months with great results along side AAS I had to stop for three month due to finance but feel I have retained a lot of the fat lose and still felt its presents for at least a month after. Also my diet crashed as soon as I stopped because it was Christmas and didn't gain that much fat but still a little.
I totally trust my supplier as he is big in the game and has reputation to uphold, but there is always a chance something could slip through as you are only as good as your suppliers word.
So really just a post to say I've had and seen good results also if any one has used this I would be really interested in your results thanks

its just more generic crap in fancy boxes.
it has nothing to do with your source they arent making it, and there are tons of people who insist all the generics are real cause there is a fortune to be made.
I know a source that carries rips. He said he knows they are garbage but customers that insist on them cause they are great. So he carries them. A source is a business.

[redz]

I know a source that carries rips. He said he knows they are garbage but customers that insist on them cause they are great. So he carries them. A source is a business.

Still wondering what peptide they are using in that stuff.