Chinese HGH concerns

[likelifting]

I didn't have any negative sides from my experience with kigs. Actually my joint pain in my knee and shoulder went away. Cortizone? I didn't gain any weight, but only ran 200ius, so I wouldn't expect to. I did have increased vascularity and great pumps. But there are a lot of things that can give you great pumps and vascularity.

So everything was looking good. Then this site showed up on one of my searches and you guys ruined everything for me. Seriously, I read the thread and thought fvck it, nothing bad is happening to me short term, but I really dont' know what it is. Not that I know for sure my UGL Anavar is Anavar, and my etc, etc, etc.

After reading this thread and bumping to 10ius a day WITHOUT significant sides, I decided to stop them.

So that ended it for me.

[likelifting]

I'll go ahead and come out fully with my experience here. Before I recently got some real stuff, I was on what I believe to be fake blue tops and riptropin. I think BOTH had a negative effect on my body. The rips raised my blood pressure and resting heartbeat, and gave me insane water retention. I stopped those a little before the blue tops. The blues messed with my joints real bad, my knees are still recovering, they also gave me insane anxiety for a while that even a high dose of benzos couldn't compete with. I had a few sleepless nights just praying I didn't mess myself up beyond repair. Thank god slowly but surely the symptoms went away and I'm almost 100% now, probably with the help of real hgh.

I will NEVER make this mistake again, and the messed up part about these blue tops was at first I was sleeping great and that faded away to insomnia, so they're doing their very best to get you hooked on these chemicals and mimic the effects of hgh.

Glad you recovered and thanks for sharing that.

[likelifting]

My personal experience with fake hgh.

Severe water retention, in excess of 30 lbs.
Systolic BP in excess of 200, with a resting pulse of >100, this is life threatening
Severe estrogen rebound.

Now you know someone who was hospitalised with a serious medical condition.

Thanks Xtra for posting that.

How are you doing now? Hope you've recovered.

[Sheven]

I didn't have any negative sides from my experience with kigs. Actually my joint pain in my knee and shoulder went away. Cortizone? I didn't gain any weight, but only ran 200ius, so I wouldn't expect to. I did have increased vascularity and great pumps. But there are a lot of things that can give you great pumps and vascularity.

So everything was looking good. Then this site showed up on one of my searches and you guys ruined everything for me. Seriously, I read the thread and thought fvck it, nothing bad is happening to me short term, but I really dont' know what it is. Not that I know for sure my UGL Anavar is Anavar, and my etc, etc, etc.

After reading this thread and bumping to 10ius a day WITHOUT significant sides, I decided to stop them.

So that ended it for me.

maybe it was real hgh.

[likelifting]

maybe it was real hgh.

I didn't toss it. Still have a couple of hundred ius. But I read HGH is so small they can't test a vial or something like that. I'll just hold onto it. Takes up very little space in my fridge.

[marcus300]

maybe it was real hgh.

He took ten ius daily and didn't get any sides....

Also its kigs lol

[likelifting]

I'm begining to think if a bunch of body builders are at a party and the party is going slow all anyone would have to say is "KIGS" and the room would burst out in laughter.

[alex18]

he took ten ius daily and didn't get any sides....

also its kigs lol

lol.

[Angel of death]

I hate to say it but there is just so much god damn money in the fake hgh business. A co-worker of mine paid 200 dollars for some "spray under the tongue" type hgh bullshit. ordered it off a website. If your average person doesn't even know that you have to inject hgh for it to work think of how helpless so many people are purchasing these generics and what not.

[3up3down]

What's the big deal?

[marcus300]

What's the big deal?

Read the rules before posting again, we don't allow source talk. Thanks

[Angel of death]

In addition to what marcus said, how about reading the other 39 pages of this thread to find out why your question is stupid as all hell

[3up3down]

My bad.. Just don't want to put some junk in my body.

[Xtralarg]

Thanks Xtra for posting that.

How are you doing now? Hope you've recovered.

Ask Marcus how I am, he knows!

[likelifting]

Ask Marcus how I am, he knows!

Ok. Hey Marcus how is Xtralarge doing?

lol

[marcus300]

Ok. Hey Marcus how is Xtralarge doing?

lol

He's doing fine

His bf is coming down, muscle tissue is increasing and he's a strong old bull

He's doing really good

[likelifting]

^ Good to hear. If he looks anything like his avi, he's looking strong.

[likelifting]

I hate to say it but there is just so much god damn money in the fake hgh business. A co-worker of mine paid 200 dollars for some "spray under the tongue" type hgh bullshit. ordered it off a website. If your average person doesn't even know that you have to inject hgh for it to work think of how helpless so many people are purchasing these generics and what not.

It sure seems like it when true manufacturers are doing lot # checks, etc, on websites, etc, to protect their brand.

It should be legal and controlled, imo.

[lovbyts]

I hate to say it but there is just so much god damn money in the fake hgh business. A co-worker of mine paid 200 dollars for some "spray under the tongue" type hgh bullshit. ordered it off a website. If your average person doesn't even know that you have to inject hgh for it to work think of how helpless so many people are purchasing these generics and what not.

haha I had some guy call me about 2 years ago trying to sell me HGH spray. I knew more about HGH than he did and asked him how a live molecule that is fragile could live in a alcohol base spray and be dispensed via spray? He finally admitted it had NO hgh in it, only some natural stuff that was supposed to increase your natural HGH output by 300% lol. I told him I can get the same thing at GNC of online for $18 a bottle if I wanted to waste my money.
He hung up. lol

It sure seems like it when true manufacturers are doing lot # checks, etc, on websites, etc, to protect their brand.

It should be legal and controlled, imo.

True manufactures do not advertise online or have lot number checks. That is all a ploy to help convince you it's real. How hard do you think that is to do??? Not hard. Simple code. 5+ years ago one or two sites did this and now everyone is doing it. Doesnt mean jack but people are falling for it left and right.

[EasyDoesIt]

haha I had some guy call me about 2 years ago trying to sell me HGH spray. I knew more about HGH than he did and asked him how a live molecule that is fragile could live in a alcohol base spray and be dispensed via spray? He finally admitted it had NO hgh in it, only some natural stuff that was supposed to increase your natural HGH output by 300% lol. I told him I can get the same thing at GNC of online for $18 a bottle if I wanted to waste my money.
He hung up. lol

HAHA That's great you called him out on that! There was some pyramid scheme selling it awhile back, so there expertise comes with there distributor starter pack.

True manufactures do not advertise online or have lot number checks. That is all a ploy to help convince you it's real. How hard do you think that is to do??? Not hard. Simple code. 5+ years ago one or two sites did this and now everyone is doing it. Doesnt mean jack but people are falling for it left and right.

Yes this is a very important point, as this was my case, fortunately i did not keep taking it and or maybe it was not just as harmful as others, but i am familiar enough with the net that when the sides came, bloating etc. i did not think by having an authenticated label, that it must be real. I was actually more pissed because the guy that sold it to me kept saying he had been dealing with his source for many years and he really trusted him. I told him i don't know his source, but i don't trust him. I also asked him how many kits he had. He knew what the point of that question was. I'm betting that trust stretches until the last kit is sold. Similar situation happened with another source, except his was just useless. End result was that when they sold them all, they had a new brand and this one was better. I know his purchase is not face to face and he was screwed as well. I can live with that once, but being smart enough to call his supplier out is not something everyone would do. So i do commend the people that say: "Wait a minute there is something wrong here." That person has enough integrity to not just keep buying blindly because it's his only source. This thread has a lot of good people that have made a lot of sacrifices and instead of trying to convince buyers it's good,--they are working at making this better for all of us. I am very sorry to hear about Xtralarg and angel of death or anyone else that has suffered beyond the wallet. So the posts here that are solid about fakes has come from sacrifices of health, money, time and anxiety. If your not convinced or have other beliefs, enjoy what you are buying, but many new people are here to research before they dive in or have had a problem. Hopefully they will look at the risk factor and choose the right product "If Available"? after there reading enough bad experiences. There is no agenda here but to spread the word and share, it's not the kind of thing you want to practice on.

[likelifting]

The part that is still perplexing to me is if there is so much money involved, I agree there is, why would they put something that will harm us in it? They could put some cheap peps in the vile, although they reconstitute way differently (mine did anyway). They could put harmless stuff that makes us feel good and we'd spread the word that they are legit.

Or are there just a few places that don't have good manufacturing facilities and have no idea what they are doing and they manufacturer the product that harms us? It makes no sense to me for them to harm their cash cow.

I honestly don't think my kigs would harm me, but not sure what they are either. Would love to get a vial tested. I just don't want to put coin towards that right now. Not that they'd be able to tell me if its growth, but it seems like a lab could find some of the ingredients.

[likelifting]

haha I had some guy call me about 2 years ago trying to sell me HGH spray. I knew more about HGH than he did and asked him how a live molecule that is fragile could live in a alcohol base spray and be dispensed via spray? He finally admitted it had NO hgh in it, only some natural stuff that was supposed to increase your natural HGH output by 300% lol. I told him I can get the same thing at GNC of online for $18 a bottle if I wanted to waste my money.
He hung up. lol


True manufactures do not advertise online or have lot number checks. That is all a ploy to help convince you it's real. How hard do you think that is to do??? Not hard. Simple code. 5+ years ago one or two sites did this and now everyone is doing it. Doesnt mean jack but people are falling for it left and right.

That makes sense. They aren't selling to individuals. They are selling to other drug companies or health care providers, etc, is my guess. They're more of a b2b transaction. They don't need to prove themselves to individuals.

[swithuk]

The part that is still perplexing to me is if there is so much money involved, I agree there is, why would they put something that will harm us in it? They could put some cheap peps in the vile, although they reconstitute way differently (mine did anyway). They could put harmless stuff that makes us feel good and we'd spread the word that they are legit.

Or are there just a few places that don't have good manufacturing facilities and have no idea what they are doing and they manufacturer the product that harms us? It makes no sense to me for them to harm their cash cow.

I honestly don't think my kigs would harm me, but not sure what they are either. Would love to get a vial tested. I just don't want to put coin towards that right now. Not that they'd be able to tell me if its growth, but it seems like a lab could find some of the ingredients.

some do put in harmless chemicals in . some pep tides . but some wish to reproduce the sides of hgh i.e joint pain , cts etc so they find chemicals that reproduce these familiar key sides so as to convince the user they have legit g.h or atleast for as long as possible so they keep buying

[likelifting]

^ Gotcha. Thanks. Makes sense.

[marcus300]

some do put in harmless chemicals in . some pep tides . but some wish to reproduce the sides of hgh i.e joint pain , cts etc so they find chemicals that reproduce these familiar key sides so as to convince the user they have legit g.h or atleast for as long as possible so they keep buying

Thats correct they put in many diffeent chemicals to mimic gh sides or to fool them that the sides are gains. Majority of these chemiclas can be dangerous long term others are plain old peptides.

[lovbyts]

The part that is still perplexing to me is if there is so much money involved, I agree there is, why would they put something that will harm us in it? They could put some cheap peps in the vile, although they reconstitute way differently (mine did anyway). They could put harmless stuff that makes us feel good and we'd spread the word that they are legit.

Or are there just a few places that don't have good manufacturing facilities and have no idea what they are doing and they manufacturer the product that harms us? It makes no sense to me for them to harm their cash cow.

I honestly don't think my kigs would harm me, but not sure what they are either. Would love to get a vial tested. I just don't want to put coin towards that right now. Not that they'd be able to tell me if its growth, but it seems like a lab could find some of the ingredients.

Another note, have you ever watched any of the investigation type shows where they go to china and see how they are making things that are being sent overseas?

Did you hear about all the babies that died due to contaminated formula? They show factories who make soup and other foods being sent to the US and around the world where they literally get water from puddles or ditches that are contaminated or at least unsterilized.

There are people there that not only dont care what happens to you or me but I also believe there are people who HOPE for the worst as long as they cant be charged. That may sound harsh but if it wasnt true how could some of these places do what they do. I will try to find some of the Youtube investigations if they have not been removed.

[marcus300]

Another note, have you ever watched any of the investigation type shows where they go to china and see how they are making things that are being sent overseas?

Did you hear about all the babies that died due to contaminated formula? They show factories who make soup and other foods being sent to the US and around the world where they literally get water from puddles or ditches that are contaminated or at least unsterilized.

There are people there that not only dont care what happens to you or me but I also believe there are people who HOPE for the worst as long as they cant be charged. That may sound harsh but if it wasnt true how could some of these places do what they do. I will try to find some of the Youtube investigations if they have not been removed.

The Chinese manufacturers of pharmaceuticals are simply not trust worthy, when we get companies like Ankbio who are regulated and licenced selling fakes and underdosed hgh how can we ever trust any underground lab what produce all these generics which contain many different dangerous chemicals. China is the world leader in counterfeit drugs there are that many articles from all over the world its frightening. I hear all the time "its all about trusting your source" your source probably has no idea what they are selling and you should also never believe anything your source says anyway because its all about money for them and even though you don't want to believe it they may just know what's inside them and that can be a range of chemicals from peptides to placebo's. Ask yourself this if the licenced manufacturer sells fakes, peptides, dangerous chemical's and underdosed hgh what do you think your getting from some UGL what can give you something what will produce results of some kind and throw off a blood test!
The so called gains and results in such a short period of time isn't how hgh works, they are simply putting chemicals inside to either make you gain water weight, lower your estrogen,some form of peptide or some form of diuretic. If any of you have ever ran pharm grade hgh for any length of time at a dose what really does transform your physique you will know exactly what I am talking about.

The world is a wash of counterfeit drugs and the main perpetrator is the Chinese, they find a demand and they counterfeit it with nothing but dangerous chemicals,peptides or use compounds what will have no effect at all. Recently I was reading about the fake anti malaria medicine found in Nigeria which contained absolutely nothing of any benefit to anyone who was suffering this life threatening illness. The packaging was identical to an Indian manufactured drug and was produced in China I believe thousands died due to not receiving the correct medication.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20976277

Once you start searching about the biggest counterfeit country in the world you realise they can counterfeit anything and have no morals what so ever with regards to what they fake. They counterfeit weight loss drugs which contain harmful chemicals, in the article below they conducted searches across drug stores nationwide in China and detected these dangerous counterfeits. They stated companies in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou were largely responsible for manufacturing these fake.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-s...00009&cid=1103

A raid in the city of Guangzhou in China netter 23 million tablets of a variety of counterfeit drugs, including bogus copies of the generic breast cancer drug tamoxifen . Some of the fake cancer drugs were found in the USA, UK and contained from harmless placebo ingredient to harmful material to some of the active ingredient in the legitimate product along with unknown impurities.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...452353034.html


I believe the fake tuberculosis and malaria drugs alone what are produced in China are estimated to kill 700,000 people a year, this reports says that's the equivalent to 4 fully laden jumbo jets crashing everyday. It also states that nearly half the drugs sold in Angola, Burundi and Congo are substandard and about two thirds of artesunate (anti-malaria) drugs in Laos, Myanmar Cambodia and Vietnam contain insufficient active ingredient and most of these fakes originate from China and India.
http://www.policynetwork.net/health/...ear-new-report


The Chinese are so corrupt with their own people regarding foods,toys and medicine what do you expect they are doing with the underground bodybuilding market were the demand is extremely high for expensive products. Some of the counterfeiting companies who counterfeit medication are licensed as chemical manufacturers, which means they aren't subject to regulation or inspection by the China State Food and Drug Administration. This was stated in one of the above articles and also the SFDA and China's Ministry of Public Security didn't respond to request for comments to the article, wonder why!

I've had some of the best source's over in China and in the early years I have had decent products but over the last 5 years or so I've seen the fake/ counterfeit market expand vastly and the chemicals used get more sophisticated to con the bodybuilding market. If you read this whole thread you will slowly see the guys who have an agenda to support the generics and you will also see the guys who wont accept their hgh is fake due to their good source but the most important thing you will see as the thread starts unfolding is the concerns from various members about their hgh being fake, why would there be a high amount of people concerned about their hgh being faked. I know we aren't going to make a dent in the whole fake hgh market especially with all the source boards with fake accounts sprouting all these wonderful blood work results and lab reports but anyone with any common sense knows exactly what goes on with source boards about sucking new members in to buy from their source's. The obvious is screaming us in the face that most HGH coming out of China is either fake, dangerous, underdosed or simply not worth the vial its in.

[lovbyts]

^^^^ there you go, that's what I'm talking about. Great information and there is a LOT more out there available if you search for it. What is really scary is if that much information is available about fake drugs and what has been discovered how much has not been discovered. I will bet only a drop in the bucket. Most of these companies once they get shut down they just more someplace else using a different name.

You can see if they are not worried about selling what is supposed to be legit medicine that is letting thousand if not millions die why would they be concerned about a small group of people in comparison why are looking for black market HGH or any type of health enhancement? They really have no regard for human life, especially if it's not their own. How many baby girls have been found in dumpsters, ditches, shallow graves or never found over the last 50 years? They were considered worthless and discarded. How do you trust people who have such little regard for life?

Sorry I hope I didnt go to far off on a tangent.... Just hoping to open some eyes and make people think a little.

[Edwin23q]

Interesting read. I get my stuff (hgh, sus etc) from Ukraine, you think they are just as bad?

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[marcus300]

Interesting read. I get my stuff (hgh, sus etc) from Ukraine, you think they are just as bad?

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The chinese use many pathways to sell their powders/hgh so its hard to say what you have is real or not but ive had some good feedback regarding the jins from the Ukraine. If you search and read this thread there is some comments on it.

[lovbyts]

The chinese use many pathways to sell their powders/hgh so its hard to say what you have is real or not but ive had some good feedback regarding the jins from the Ukraine. If you search and read this thread there is some comments on it.

Only problem is there is a lot of positive feedback from people who are using known generic/fake HGH also because they have no idea what real HGH is like.

I would try to find out where it is actually manufactured. Any manufacturer is also going to be distributing to legit pharmacies since that is where the real profit is and it takes millions to set up a HGH facility.

[marcus300]

Only problem is there is a lot of positive feedback from people who are using known generic/fake HGH also because they have no idea what real HGH is like.

I would try to find out where it is actually manufactured. Any manufacturer is also going to be distributing to legit pharmacies since that is where the real profit is and it takes millions to set up a HGH facility.

The jins come from Gensci and they have the licence to prodce hgh for the Russian market, the ones what come from the Ukraine have had great feedback from guys who have used pharm grade and generics. Ive not used them myself yet but I know some people personally who have and they tell me its top quality. I'm sure the counterfeiters will exploit this avenue but up to now ive not heard one bad word so far.

[lovbyts]

Good to know and maybe there is hope out there yet?
Yeah that is the problem, I'm sure it wont be long before the counterfeiters are hard at work.

[likelifting]

But then what about my gear? Doesn't the powder originate in China?

edit...I have ugl gear.

[marcus300]

But then what about my gear? Doesn't the powder originate in China?

edit...I have ugl gear.

I don't use UGL and never will do, you never know what you really got unless you make it yourself so I stay well clear of it.

[likelifting]

Thanks

[Edwin23q]

One thing as funny as this sounds is that one of my hgh orders of 500iu from Ukraine was seized by customs, I received a letter today informing me that it was hgh. I'll scan the letter and post it here when I get home from work. In a way it reassured me that what I'm ordering is legit.

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[Sheven]

The Chinese manufacturers of pharmaceuticals are simply not trust worthy, when we get companies like Ankbio who are regulated and licenced selling fakes and underdosed hgh how can we ever trust any underground lab what produce all these generics which contain many different dangerous chemicals. China is the world leader in counterfeit drugs there are that many articles from all over the world its frightening. I hear all the time "its all about trusting your source" your source probably has no idea what they are selling and you should also never believe anything your source says anyway because its all about money for them and even though you don't want to believe it they may just know what's inside them and that can be a range of chemicals from peptides to placebo's. Ask yourself this if the licenced manufacturer sells fakes, peptides, dangerous chemical's and underdosed hgh what do you think your getting from some UGL what can give you something what will produce results of some kind and throw off a blood test!
The so called gains and results in such a short period of time isn't how hgh works, they are simply putting chemicals inside to either make you gain water weight, lower your estrogen,some form of peptide or some form of diuretic. If any of you have ever ran pharm grade hgh for any length of time at a dose what really does transform your physique you will know exactly what I am talking about.

The world is a wash of counterfeit drugs and the main perpetrator is the Chinese, they find a demand and they counterfeit it with nothing but dangerous chemicals,peptides or use compounds what will have no effect at all. Recently I was reading about the fake anti malaria medicine found in Nigeria which contained absolutely nothing of any benefit to anyone who was suffering this life threatening illness. The packaging was identical to an Indian manufactured drug and was produced in China I believe thousands died due to not receiving the correct medication.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20976277

Once you start searching about the biggest counterfeit country in the world you realise they can counterfeit anything and have no morals what so ever with regards to what they fake. They counterfeit weight loss drugs which contain harmful chemicals, in the article below they conducted searches across drug stores nationwide in China and detected these dangerous counterfeits. They stated companies in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou were largely responsible for manufacturing these fake.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-s...00009&cid=1103

A raid in the city of Guangzhou in China netter 23 million tablets of a variety of counterfeit drugs, including bogus copies of the generic breast cancer drug tamoxifen . Some of the fake cancer drugs were found in the USA, UK and contained from harmless placebo ingredient to harmful material to some of the active ingredient in the legitimate product along with unknown impurities.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...452353034.html


I believe the fake tuberculosis and malaria drugs alone what are produced in China are estimated to kill 700,000 people a year, this reports says that's the equivalent to 4 fully laden jumbo jets crashing everyday. It also states that nearly half the drugs sold in Angola, Burundi and Congo are substandard and about two thirds of artesunate (anti-malaria) drugs in Laos, Myanmar Cambodia and Vietnam contain insufficient active ingredient and most of these fakes originate from China and India.
http://www.policynetwork.net/health/...ear-new-report


The Chinese are so corrupt with their own people regarding foods,toys and medicine what do you expect they are doing with the underground bodybuilding market were the demand is extremely high for expensive products. Some of the counterfeiting companies who counterfeit medication are licensed as chemical manufacturers, which means they aren't subject to regulation or inspection by the China State Food and Drug Administration. This was stated in one of the above articles and also the SFDA and China's Ministry of Public Security didn't respond to request for comments to the article, wonder why!

I've had some of the best source's over in China and in the early years I have had decent products but over the last 5 years or so I've seen the fake/ counterfeit market expand vastly and the chemicals used get more sophisticated to con the bodybuilding market. If you read this whole thread you will slowly see the guys who have an agenda to support the generics and you will also see the guys who wont accept their hgh is fake due to their good source but the most important thing you will see as the thread starts unfolding is the concerns from various members about their hgh being fake, why would there be a high amount of people concerned about their hgh being faked. I know we aren't going to make a dent in the whole fake hgh market especially with all the source boards with fake accounts sprouting all these wonderful blood work results and lab reports but anyone with any common sense knows exactly what goes on with source boards about sucking new members in to buy from their source's. The obvious is screaming us in the face that most HGH coming out of China is either fake, dangerous, underdosed or simply not worth the vial its in.

You are spot on with what you just said. However, you've forgot to mention that 30% of all finished raw materials used in the pharmaceutical industry today in USA & EU are from China and that another 40% of the pharmaceutical intermediates used in USA & EU are from China. In the biopharmaceutical field, China is a at the top of the game supplying practically all US market. I don't want to be the advocate of the devil but we should know also this part of the story, US & EU biggest trade partner being China we should actually take in consideration they could make also decent type of products (in particular, GenSci does it why would it be so incredible for others to do it?).

Is there a high chance to get legit pharmaceutical products purchasing them illegally from anonymous sources off a obscure bodybuilding forum using smuggling and money laundering schemes ? I'd say chances are rather low and all this doggy procedure attracts a lot of cheating potential. Adding the fact that apparently pillars of the bodybuilding community are vouching and encouraging people to buy from this shady places, adds to the risk, causing the low-priced low-quality goods suppliers to monopolize the market.

By the way like i said before, United Cell from Shanghai is selling heaps of HGH to the CIS countries through this countries state subsidized somatropin therapy, i'd be surprised to find out its a scam.

[swithuk]

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[swithuk]

One thing as funny as this sounds is that one of my hgh orders of 500iu from Ukraine was seized by customs, I received a letter today informing me that it was hgh. I'll scan the letter and post it here when I get home from work. In a way it reassured me that what I'm ordering is legit.

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what brand of g.h is the one from ukraine ?