Chinese HGH concerns

[swithuk]

That's the only logical explanation. I am a bit overwhelmed at the results I have obtained in such a short period of time using only 3-4ius per day.

taking all this in to account . whats your next move ? will you continue to buy from them and chance it or will you look elsewhere ?

[Ronnie Rowland]

taking all this in to account . whats your next move ? will you continue to buy from them and chance it or will you look elsewhere ?

I myself will have to take the advice I would offer others and decline from ordering from ankie again. They must be a very greedy bunch to have denied me that $500 they owed me. They could have made a fortune off of referrals alone from this board if they would have just sold us legit GH.

Let's never forget this fact- "I was ignored by ankie for several months after making complaints about receiving multiples vials of Ansomone that were hard as concrete and would not mix in water. What did mix was fake. They would never have replaced some of the GH they owed me had it not been for me and marcus calling them out on this board. You can't run from the truth!"

[EasyDoesIt]

In the mind of Ankie personell, they do not want to fully comply as they know how many thousands of fake kits sold and the buyers of those kits will be lined up for there returns. They just figure to obtain new customers. Not that it's a good move on there part, but i'm guessing that's there strategy.

[marcus300]

I myself will have to take the advice I would offer others and decline from ordering from ankie again. They must be a very greedy bunch to have denied me that $500 they owed me. They could have made a fortune off of referrals alone from this board if they would have just sold us legit GH.

Let's never forget this fact- "I was ignored by ankie for several months after making complaints about receiving multiples vials of Ansomone that were hard as concrete and would not mix in water. What did mix was fake. They would never have replaced some of the GH they owed me had it not been for me and marcus calling them out on this board. You can't run from the truth!"

They only started to take notice when we told them about splashing it all over the boards, then they decided to email us back and to try and shut us up ...........

I feel the same way Ronnie and at this moment wouldnt buy anything from Ankie again

[hellokitty08]

Well this is good to know. My boyfriends friend used blue tops but he lost weight fast and he's a big dude. It worked for him though..

[marcus300]

Well this is good to know. My boyfriends friend used blue tops but he lost weight fast and he's a big dude. It worked for him though..

wouldnt of been hgh what was inside the blue tops. fast weight loss isnt what happens when you use hgh.

[gixxerboy1]

Well this is good to know. My boyfriends friend used blue tops but he lost weight fast and he's a big dude. It worked for him though..

It was either the diet and otherstuff he was taking. It coukd have been a peptide in the vial that helped, but it wasnt gh

[Mark999]

It was either the diet and otherstuff he was taking. It coukd have been a peptide in the vial that helped, but it wasnt gh

or HGH Fragment

[swithuk]

do i have to avoid sugar (food/drink) even more so than usual because im running hgh ? (5i.u e.d)

[kaptainkeezy04]

do i have to avoid sugar (food/drink) even more so than usual because im running hgh ? (5i.u e.d)

lol ur running gh and you don't know the answer to this question?

[swithuk]

lol ur running gh and you don't know the answer to this question?

no not 100% . i dont know to what extent im supposed to drop the intake of sugar .
during the week i juice alot of vegetables with fruit and i know this has alot of sugar in but its natural ......?

i lay off alcohol until the weekend . but are you supposed to cut it out completely if your on g.h ?

what exactly is its effect if your on g.h ?

[kaptainkeezy04]

no not 100% . i dont know to what extent im supposed to drop the intake of sugar .
during the week i juice alot of vegetables with fruit and i know this has alot of sugar in but its natural ......?

i lay off alcohol until the weekend . but are you supposed to cut it out completely if your on g.h ?

what exactly is its effect if your on g.h ?

omg. diet stays however you want it on GH, just dont consume carbs within an hour before or after injections. I inject in the morning as soon as i wake up, and sip on some protein for the next hour.

[human project]

lol ur running gh and you don't know the answer to this question?

I've taken thousands of ius of hgh and I am always switching my opinion about eating around the time of pinning my hgh... The way i look at it I already fast two hours before and half hour after my 3 ghrp and cjc shot. With that protocol I can't cut another 2.5hrs of eating out of my day.. With peptides I think it's important but I've never noticed a difference with hgh

[swithuk]

omg. diet stays however you want it on GH, just dont consume carbs within an hour before or after injections. I inject in the morning as soon as i wake up, and sip on some protein for the next hour.

ok thanks . i thought that because g.h elevates the sugar levels in your blood that i should avoid sugar even more that normal ..............?

[gixxerboy1]

ok thanks . i thought that because g.h elevates the sugar levels in your blood that i should avoid sugar even more that normal ..............?

gh cause insulin resistance. So i would avoid excess sugar and juices

[swithuk]

gh cause insulin resistance. So i would avoid excess sugar and juices

thank you

[alex18]

I know I'm hitting this thread a few weeks late but I just wanted to throw something out there about a recent experience I had.... I don't normally go out and bash products on here...which is why I refrained from posting on a rip specific thread but this thread certainly opened my eyes I a don't feel stupid telling you all I injected crap and couldn't crap lol.....

I'd heard some bad things about riptropin but my source insisted that it was good and that our other friend (a uk bb pro) had been on it for 6 months with great results. I thought ok what the hell and ran with it. After I bought them I checked the serial numbers just out of curiosity and all was well... 1 month in at 4iu and it didn't feel right, water retention yes...carpal no...head aches no....no improved sleep and more importantly my digestive system was all out of whack! My diet had not changed, stress levels had not changed but my poops were all out of whack, I was constantly constipated, and then when I did go it was dry hard pebbles.... And a real strain... Two weeks in i bumped my fibre up and added citracel but still had real issues. At the end of week 4 I had been offered some sero 126iu kits from another friend and couldn't miss the chance to get my hands on these....needless to say...I switched out and on my third day at 4iu I pooped like a pro with the classic s shape nice and easy. I threw the rip in the trash.... I have no idea what was in it to make me do that but I'm convinced it was the rip....just too coincidental. My new guy tells me he has sold nothing but sero for nearly 10 years and tells me he won't touch anything else..... The difference between the two products was night and day....god knows what I was putting in my body with that rip! NEVER AGAIN will I waste my money.....

[marcus300]

I know I'm hitting this thread a few weeks late but I just wanted to throw something out there about a recent experience I had.... I don't normally go out and bash products on here...which is why I refrained from posting on a rip specific thread but this thread certainly opened my eyes I a don't feel stupid telling you all I injected crap and couldn't crap lol.....

I'd heard some bad things about riptropin but my source insisted that it was good and that our other friend (a uk bb pro) had been on it for 6 months with great results. I thought ok what the hell and ran with it. After I bought them I checked the serial numbers just out of curiosity and all was well... 1 month in at 4iu and it didn't feel right, water retention yes...carpal no...head aches no....no improved sleep and more importantly my digestive system was all out of whack! My diet had not changed, stress levels had not changed but my poops were all out of whack, I was constantly constipated, and then when I did go it was dry hard pebbles.... And a real strain... Two weeks in i bumped my fibre up and added citracel but still had real issues. At the end of week 4 I had been offered some sero 126iu kits from another friend and couldn't miss the chance to get my hands on these....needless to say...I switched out and on my third day at 4iu I pooped like a pro with the classic s shape nice and easy. I threw the rip in the trash.... I have no idea what was in it to make me do that but I'm convinced it was the rip....just too coincidental. My new guy tells me he has sold nothing but sero for nearly 10 years and tells me he won't touch anything else..... The difference between the two products was night and day....god knows what I was putting in my body with that rip! NEVER AGAIN will I waste my money.....

Ive never heard of those symtoms before but it sounds you was one of the unlucky ones what got some of the dangerous chemicals they put inside them. Sounds like you had a lucky escape. Many still wont listen and say my source is the best and mine are great lol, its so funny to see them pop up with their kigs and rips lol...

Thanks for posting

[alex18]

I could be wrong...but it was all too coincidental for my liking.... Who knows what they put in the stuff... And I also forgot to mention I did do that bs boil it and see if it goes cloudy.... It passed that test lol....

[Sheven]

gensci jintropin for russia, hong kong and ukraine market is tip top. pharma grade, checked by 4 goverment medicine agencies, you cannot bribe 4 gov. medicine agencies that's for sure. go for that if you need to be 100% sure and don't want to spend a fortune. who thinks it can get legit european or us grade for less than 4-5$ a iu (stolen by the way, either frauded from the health care system) is totally insane. europe is filled with fake genotropin,norditropin and omnitrope sandoz with romanian language written on them. all are fake and hurt the hell when you inject it. pure scam but hey is genotropin right? must be goood.

[marcus300]

gensci jintropin for russia, hong kong and ukraine market is tip top. pharma grade, checked by 4 goverment medicine agencies, you cannot bribe 4 gov. medicine agencies that's for sure. go for that if you need to be 100% sure and don't want to spend a fortune. who thinks it can get legit european or us grade for less than 4-5$ a iu (stolen by the way, either frauded from the health care system) is totally insane. europe is filled with fake genotropin,norditropin and omnitrope sandoz with romanian language written on them. all are fake and hurt the hell when you inject it. pure scam but hey is genotropin right? must be goood.

Ive had great feedback form guy's using the Russian Jins but yet myself to purchase any, not heard one bad thing about them and all report great gains just like the good old jins from 10 yrs ago

[Far from massive]

no not 100% . i dont know to what extent im supposed to drop the intake of sugar .
during the week i juice alot of vegetables with fruit and i know this has alot of sugar in but its natural ......?

i lay off alcohol until the weekend . but are you supposed to cut it out completely if your on g.h ?

what exactly is its effect if your on g.h ?

Is this a serious question? Of course you should eliminate alcohol intake to maximize the benefits if you are using growth. I guess if you are a multimillionare you could justify running growth while lacking the discipline to totally stop all forms of recreational drugs while using HGH its just hard for poor broke AAS guys like me to wrap my brain around ;-)

[Angel of death]

alex check my thread out about pain in the knees while on hgh. I was on generics too and they definitely screwed something up. I didn't mention it in the thread but I've been having all kinds of digestive problems too. I've had acid reflux my whole life and lately I have a severe increase in heartburn

[alex18]

alex check my thread out about pain in the knees while on hgh. I was on generics too and they definitely screwed something up. I didn't mention it in the thread but I've been having all kinds of digestive problems too. I've had acid reflux my whole life and lately I have a severe increase in heartburn

You know now you mention it I NEVER get heart burn but on several occasions I needed to raid my wife's supply of tum's while on the rip!

[Xtralarg]

Anyone taking anything they have any doubts and/or concerns about should stop immediately. The Chinese manufacturers of this so called 'gh' do not care what damage it could possibly do, they use chemicals that mimic sides and this could cause YOU serious harm. Wake up and realise that there is a very high possibility that none of the hgh coming out of china and sold to BBrs is real. They just don't export it like they used to 10 years ago and people need to realise this. All this BS about your source having real rips and good hyge etc etc is total and utter crap.

If you want to waste your money and risk your health then that's your choice, you've been warned!

Damn why don't people listen!?!

[alex18]

Anyone taking anything they have any doubts and/or concerns about should stop immediately. The Chinese manufacturers of this so called 'gh' do not care what damage it could possibly do, they use chemicals that mimic sides and this could cause YOU serious harm. Wake up and realise that there is a very high possibility that none of the hgh coming out of china and sold to BBrs is real. They just don't export it like they used to 10 years ago and people need to realise this. All this BS about your source having real rips and good hyge etc etc is total and utter crap.

If you want to waste your money and risk your health then that's your choice, you've been warned!

Damn why don't people listen!?!

Hey hey don't tarnish us all with the same brush ;-) some of us take heed and open the trash can.... ;-)

But seriously tho... People seriously need to read this thread and ask themselves the question about whether they are happy to gamble their health and cash playing chinky hgh roulette... I'd rather take my money to Vegas!

[Sheven]

What do you guys think if we gather ourselfs up and chip in each 20$ (paypal or credit card payment) and do independent hgh (somatropin) lab testing according to the EP (European Pharmacopoeia) ? 40 guys donating is enough to have one analysis made, and we'll do it in an independent lab in Germany or Swizerland where everybody can check the genuity of the testing. I'm ready to organize the payment processing and everything if at least 100 guys show disponibility, so that we can test each month or two at least 2 products.

[calstate23]

Hey guys, with all this talk about the chinese generics no one will want to buy this from their guy anymore...and then guess what's gonna happen? People sell what people want....I have this feeling there is going to be a lot more realistic pharm grade gh fakes coming out! Which isn't a good thing......Oh crap...

Getting legit pharm grade gh on the market is 99.99999% always real...But now, people don't want generics so they will start making more and more fake pharm grade...Watch and see FOLKS!

I say we close up all the generic tabs and let it be! All these damn DEALERS ARE DROOLING AT THE TEETH READING THIS STUFF!!!!

[Xtralarg]

Hey guys, with all this talk about the chinese generics no one will want to buy this from their guy anymore...and then guess what's gonna happen? People sell what people want....I have this feeling there is going to be a lot more realistic pharm grade gh fakes coming out! Which isn't a good thing......Oh crap...

Getting legit pharm grade gh on the market is 99.99999% always real...But now, people don't want generics so they will start making more and more fake pharm grade...Watch and see FOLKS!

I say we close up all the generic tabs and let it be! All these damn DEALERS ARE DROOLING AT THE TEETH READING THIS STUFF!!!!

There is already lots of fake pharm grade gh on the market, don't forget that the guys who produce this fake stuff do it for a living, they are usually one step ahead! Personally I think the hgh market is f***ed and at the moment don't see it improving. Don't get me wrong there is real gh available if you know where to look but unfortunately finding it is like finding the proverbial needle in a haystack.

[swithuk]

What do you guys think if we gather ourselfs up and chip in each 20$ (paypal or credit card payment) and do independent hgh (somatropin) lab testing according to the EP (European Pharmacopoeia) ? 40 guys donating is enough to have one analysis made, and we'll do it in an independent lab in Germany or Swizerland where everybody can check the genuity of the testing. I'm ready to organize the payment processing and everything if at least 100 guys show disponibility, so that we can test each month or two at least 2 products.

i think this is a great idea !

this is why these firms can exploit us . if we organize as shaven suggest the LEAST we can do is verify the g.h .

the reason these companys can exploit us is because we act as individuals , independently . however the irony is that we are 90% there by simply being members on this forum

all thats required now is that we ACT as one ..............

[human project]

As we are all aware the global market for human growth hormone is worth millions if not billions of dollars and because of this is attracts the attention of the more unscrupulous amongst our community.

In the past people have been sold HCG believing it to be HGH, let's face it, to the beginner or novice it looks the same or very similar, you reconstitute it and can inject it just like you do with HGH. One big difference is the price, HCG is much cheaper to produce than HGH and therefore to the guy who wants to make a quick buck it becomes very appealing. Luckily for us it's easy to test for HCG using a pregnancy test, put some of the water on the test and if it shows a positive result then voila! You have HCG.

So what are the fakers trying to pass off as HGH these days? Well they are certainly selling us freeze dried AI's, these compounds will strip the body of it estrogen and that will make you loose some water and become 'leaner'. This can often fool the user into thinking they have lost BF and increased lean muscle, and as most people run AAS with their HGH they won't have a clue that what they are taking is a million miles from what they thought they have spent their hard earned cash on because their estrogen levels would of been raised by the AAS anyway. The problems arise here when you come off the AI and get a massive estrogen rebound, and then you will know for sure you have been deceived.

Ok so how can we tell that we have real HGH without sending to the lab to be tested and also not testing it on yourself?

The answer to this question is quite simple and anyone can do it. When you reconstitute your HGH (or what you think is HGH) you need to watch how it dissolves when it comes into contact with the water. Does it disappear instantly? If so then I doubt very much that you have HGH, what you want to be seeing are a few white flakes at the bottom of the vial which remain, you then need to gently swirl the bottle around until the disappear, this could take 30 seconds or more and is a very good indicator that what you have is real HGH, or what we commonly believe to be HGH...Update. It seems that the Chinese are able to create a substance that dissolves like HGH so beware that the remaining flakes are not always a sigh that your HGH is g2g.

As we know the positive effects of HGH such as fat loss and muscle gain take a long time to begin to show and it is because of this that we often rely on the side effects such as bloat and CTS to give us the reassurance that our HGH is real. One of my major concerns is that the counterfeiters may be one step ahead of us here, HGH is not only very expensive to produce it's also very difficult and must be done in controlled lab conditions. This leads me on to what may be a huge undiscovered scam in the world of HGH, I am going to point the finger at China because that is where the vast majority of HGH used by 'us' comes from and they are probably the worlds number one counterfeiting nation.

I believe that there are many drugs available that will cause the body to retain water but not so many that will cause CTS and I only know one that will cause both, HGH. However let's not be naive here, the Chinese may be producing a drug that reconstitutes like HGH and causes the same side effects as HGH but without the benefits and I believe that they may be fooling many thousands of unsuspecting users all around the world. If this is happening then we need to help eachother and to do this we need everybody who is using 'black market' HGH to share their results with us on this thread.

Have you been using HGH for a while and experiencing the side effects but not seeing any benefits?

Have you or are you experiencing bloat but no CTS? If so are you seeing fat loss and muscle gain?

Please share your experiences guys and girls, this is imporatnt so we can all be at ease about what we are putting into our bodies.

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[Bigherm21]

Yeah I saw an article on another board a few months ago about these guys that produce some type of powder and got in trouble for it. Said they were making them out of dead babies. Ill see if I can find it.

[Bigherm21]

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/05/08/...an-baby-flesh/ I mean what else could it be?

[DanB]

What do you guys think if we gather ourselfs up and chip in each 20$ (paypal or credit card payment) and do independent hgh (somatropin) lab testing according to the EP (European Pharmacopoeia) ? 40 guys donating is enough to have one analysis made, and we'll do it in an independent lab in Germany or Swizerland where everybody can check the genuity of the testing. I'm ready to organize the payment processing and everything if at least 100 guys show disponibility, so that we can test each month or two at least 2 products.

im in

how will we come about deciding the order of products tested? and can we tie people into a number of tests so that once people see the results they want then they will still be committed to donating, otherwise it will fall apart after 1 or 2 tests

great idea that i have been thinking about for a long time but didnt look into sourcing a lab to test, im sure you have some in mind already

[swithuk]

im in

how will we come about deciding the order of products tested? and can we tie people into a number of tests so that once people see the results they want then they will still be committed to donating, otherwise it will fall apart after 1 or 2 tests

great idea that i have been thinking about for a long time but didnt look into sourcing a lab to test, im sure you have some in mind already

yeah me too . i agree

[EasyDoesIt]

im in

how will we come about deciding the order of products tested? and can we tie people into a number of tests so that once people see the results they want then they will still be committed to donating, otherwise it will fall apart after 1 or 2 tests

great idea that i have been thinking about for a long time but didnt look into sourcing a lab to test, im sure you have some in mind already

I don't feel that i want to try to prove that the fakes are fake to anyone. Most of the people i know in the gym don't even read or educate themselves about the products. They barely understand trying to tell them the junk is being made of peptides. There friend selling tells them it's 200.00 or 250.00 and that's all they care about. Yes i am sure the guys selling do read the forums. I don't feel it's a bad idea, just think it's an up hill battle. There is always another salesman in line, another manufacturer and another buyer. If your doing it to check the validity for yourself, it would probably help out on a personal level, but i'm not sure we are reaching that many people when you look at the big picture. I do feel that many of us have made a statement and it hopefully will press some companies to sell legits. But the selective scamming as it has been stated here is probably the realty of impact. Complain enough on the net and you can push a company to react, but only to the complainer. If we look back at the posts, one person received a partial refund and that took a lot of pushing. I'll bet theres a lot of people that bought the same junk and received no refund. These companies factor "X" amount of losses into there costs. iT'S JUST A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS, UNFORTUNATELY FOR US!! On a personal level i do not compete, so if i can not obtain quality, then i head to anti-aging doc. If i can not afford Doc i just won't do it. I know many of the people here live in areas that do not have anti-aging clinics and thats not an option. I think this is a great site and i have gained a lot of knowledge from many of the guys here and this site has probably made the biggest impact on this subject. That is due to dedicated and knowledgeable staff and Veterans in the field. I may be wrong on the other forums, it's just my opinion as i have signed on with some other sites and it seemed like most of them were geared towards selling products.
QUESTION: Do you guys feel that the pharm grade sold from the major Companies selling to medical field in the U.S. are making fakes (EXCLUDING CHINA)? Or just that CROOKS are re-producing there labels etc. and making them?

[Xtralarg]

I don't feel that i want to try to prove that the fakes are fake to anyone. Most of the people i know in the gym don't even read or educate themselves about the products. They barely understand trying to tell them the junk is being made of peptides. There friend selling tells them it's 200.00 or 250.00 and that's all they care about. Yes i am sure the guys selling do read the forums. I don't feel it's a bad idea, just think it's an up hill battle. There is always another salesman in line, another manufacturer and another buyer. If your doing it to check the validity for yourself, it would probably help out on a personal level, but i'm not sure we are reaching that many people when you look at the big picture. I do feel that many of us have made a statement and it hopefully will press some companies to sell legits. But the selective scamming as it has been stated here is probably the realty of impact. Complain enough on the net and you can push a company to react, but only to the complainer. If we look back at the posts, one person received a partial refund and that took a lot of pushing. I'll bet theres a lot of people that bought the same junk and received no refund. These companies factor "X" amount of losses into there costs. iT'S JUST A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS, UNFORTUNATELY FOR US!! On a personal level i do not compete, so if i can not obtain quality, then i head to anti-aging doc. If i can not afford Doc i just won't do it. I know many of the people here live in areas that do not have anti-aging clinics and thats not an option. I think this is a great site and i have gained a lot of knowledge from many of the guys here and this site has probably made the biggest impact on this subject. That is due to dedicated and knowledgeable staff and Veterans in the field. I may be wrong on the other forums, it's just my opinion as i have signed on with some other sites and it seemed like most of them were geared towards selling products.
QUESTION: Do you guys feel that the pharm grade sold from the major Companies selling to medical field in the U.S. are making fakes (EXCLUDING CHINA)? Or just that CROOKS are re-producing there labels etc. and making them?

Major companies producing hgh for the U.S. market will not be producing fakes. The guys making the fakes will copy them and sell the the black market, trying to pass them off as the genuine article. There was even a fake apple shop in china selling fake apple products and nobody knew for a long time! If they can produce hi tec stuff I'm sure a hgh pen isn't hard to reproduce.

[swithuk]

I don't feel that i want to try to prove that the fakes are fake to anyone. Most of the people i know in the gym don't even read or educate themselves about the products. They barely understand trying to tell them the junk is being made of peptides. There friend selling tells them it's 200.00 or 250.00 and that's all they care about. Yes i am sure the guys selling do read the forums. I don't feel it's a bad idea, just think it's an up hill battle. There is always another salesman in line, another manufacturer and another buyer. If your doing it to check the validity for yourself, it would probably help out on a personal level, but i'm not sure we are reaching that many people when you look at the big picture. I do feel that many of us have made a statement and it hopefully will press some companies to sell legits. But the selective scamming as it has been stated here is probably the realty of impact. Complain enough on the net and you can push a company to react, but only to the complainer. If we look back at the posts, one person received a partial refund and that took a lot of pushing. I'll bet theres a lot of people that bought the same junk and received no refund. These companies factor "X" amount of losses into there costs. iT'S JUST A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS, UNFORTUNATELY FOR US!! On a personal level i do not compete, so if i can not obtain quality, then i head to anti-aging doc. If i can not afford Doc i just won't do it. I know many of the people here live in areas that do not have anti-aging clinics and thats not an option. I think this is a great site and i have gained a lot of knowledge from many of the guys here and this site has probably made the biggest impact on this subject. That is due to dedicated and knowledgeable staff and Veterans in the field. I may be wrong on the other forums, it's just my opinion as i have signed on with some other sites and it seemed like most of them were geared towards selling products.
QUESTION: Do you guys feel that the pharm grade sold from the major Companies selling to medical field in the U.S. are making fakes (EXCLUDING CHINA)? Or just that CROOKS are re-producing there labels etc. and making them?

i agree , however i think its worthwhile / productive for a few people to get together to test one or two and see what happens as its all in our interests

[EasyDoesIt]

Major companies producing hgh for the U.S. market will not be producing fakes. The guys making the fakes will copy them and sell the the black market, trying to pass them off as the genuine article. There was even a fake apple shop in china selling fake apple products and nobody knew for a long time! If they can produce hi tec stuff I'm sure a hgh pen isn't hard to reproduce.

I didn't think so, but i thought maybe some of the guys wanting to do checks might have been looking at those type of companies. Regarding the Chinese, i agree-they spend there money in reverse engineering which is much cheaper than research and development. They are copycats not creators. They have legal selective crime there.
Thanks

[EasyDoesIt]

i agree , however i think its worthwhile / productive for a few people to get together to test one or two and see what happens as its all in our interests

Yes i agree if you have some sources that are in question. It's probably dependent on area where you live and sources available. Mine is limited to lots of fakes and one quality that i know of.