Chinese HGH concerns

[swithuk]

You are spot on with what you just said. However, you've forgot to mention that 30% of all finished raw materials used in the pharmaceutical industry today in USA & EU are from China and that another 40% of the pharmaceutical intermediates used in USA & EU are from China. In the biopharmaceutical field, China is a at the top of the game supplying practically all US market. I don't want to be the advocate of the devil but we should know also this part of the story, US & EU biggest trade partner being China we should actually take in consideration they could make also decent type of products (in particular, GenSci does it why would it be so incredible for others to do it?).

Is there a high chance to get legit pharmaceutical products purchasing them illegally from anonymous sources off a obscure bodybuilding forum using smuggling and money laundering schemes ? I'd say chances are rather low and all this doggy procedure attracts a lot of cheating potential. Adding the fact that apparently pillars of the bodybuilding community are vouching and encouraging people to buy from this shady places, adds to the risk, causing the low-priced low-quality goods suppliers to monopolize the market.

By the way like i said before, United Cell from Shanghai is selling heaps of HGH to the CIS countries through this countries state subsidized somatropin therapy, i'd be surprised to find out its a scam.

ive never heard of 'united cell ' is this an established outfit ? is that their proper name ? do they have a Chinese license to produce g.h . whats their brand called ?
thanks ....

[Xtralarg]

One thing as funny as this sounds is that one of my hgh orders of 500iu from Ukraine was seized by customs, I received a letter today informing me that it was hgh. I'll scan the letter and post it here when I get home from work. In a way it reassured me that what I'm ordering is legit.

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The fact it was seized doesn't mean it was real. This issue has already been discussed.

[Sheven]

The jins come from Gensci and they have the licence to prodce hgh for the Russian market, the ones what come from the Ukraine have had great feedback from guys who have used pharm grade and generics. Ive not used them myself yet but I know some people personally who have and they tell me its top quality. I'm sure the counterfeiters will exploit this avenue but up to now ive not heard one bad word so far.

They have license to produce hgh for the Chinese market and export to any of the countries where is registered (russia, ukraine, hong kong, mexico). But having a license won't help at all if the business owner's ethics are sketchy or the control on the supply chain is lax (e.g. ankebio right?). After all Riptropin is also manufactured by a licensed (and also owner of export license) manufacturer.

ive never heard of 'united cell ' is this an established outfit ? is that their proper name ? do they have a Chinese license to produce g.h . whats their brand called ?
thanks ....

pretty established, since 1995 but their hgh is newer i think, they did it together with the national cell institute and they are also working together with the military bioresearch institute. like i've said, china is swarming with biochemists and making hgh isn't near as hard as other bioproducts that are now in fashion (for cancer and other hard to cure diseases). is just that the bodybuilding market is practically asking to be scammed and wishes do come true.

[swithuk]

They have license to produce hgh for the Chinese market and export to any of the countries where is registered (russia, ukraine, hong kong, mexico). But having a license won't help at all if the business owner's ethics are sketchy or the control on the supply chain is lax (e.g. ankebio right?). After all Riptropin is also manufactured by a licensed (and also owner of export license) manufacturer.



pretty established, since 1995 but their hgh is newer i think, they did it together with the national cell institute and they are also working together with the military bioresearch institute. like i've said, china is swarming with biochemists and making hgh isn't near as hard as other bioproducts that are now in fashion (for cancer and other hard to cure diseases). is just that the bodybuilding market is practically asking to be scammed and wishes do come true.

very true .interesting . thanks .

[Edwin23q]

The fact it was seized doesn't mean it was real. This issue has already been discussed.

Correct, but the fact that it was tested by customs lab and proven to be hgh does.

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[Sheven]

Correct, but the fact that it was tested by customs lab and proven to be hgh does.

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Are you sure they got it tested or just read on the box or the cap and concluded is HGH ? Especially since it came from Ukraine (most likely Jintropin) and they come in their boxes.

On a side note, i'd be curious how customs do conclude after a test that what the vials contain is HGH since the MS is never to the exact value of kDa and obviously they don't have standing by references of somatropin CRS.

[marcus300]

You are spot on with what you just said. However, you've forgot to mention that 30% of all finished raw materials used in the pharmaceutical industry today in USA & EU are from China and that another 40% of the pharmaceutical intermediates used in USA & EU are from China. In the biopharmaceutical field, China is a at the top of the game supplying practically all US market. I don't want to be the advocate of the devil but we should know also this part of the story, US & EU biggest trade partner being China we should actually take in consideration they could make also decent type of products (in particular, GenSci does it why would it be so incredible for others to do it?).

Is there a high chance to get legit pharmaceutical products purchasing them illegally from anonymous sources off a obscure bodybuilding forum using smuggling and money laundering schemes ? I'd say chances are rather low and all this doggy procedure attracts a lot of cheating potential. Adding the fact that apparently pillars of the bodybuilding community are vouching and encouraging people to buy from this shady places, adds to the risk, causing the low-priced low-quality goods suppliers to monopolize the market.

By the way like i said before, United Cell from Shanghai is selling heaps of HGH to the CIS countries through this countries state subsidized somatropin therapy, i'd be surprised to find out its a scam.

You have given some very valuable advice and insight into the science of hgh throughout this thread and for some you have blinded them with science but I do feel your not totally impartial and try to infulence a certain direction towards some of the generic brands from China and this is what I struggle with when I see you post.

My reasoning behind this and what many people probably don't know anyway is your sat in a lab in China what manufacturers between other things HCG , Heparin and you also have available raw material to produce hgh or probably the chemicals to produce what many believe to be HGH. By your own words we shouldnt trust the labs in China or the Chinese yet you work in one and work for them, so when you start claiming certain generics have had good lab reports and there are some UGL's what do produce good quality hgh I get the impression your trying to influence the members with certain brands because you may be connected to them either work wise or have some personal connection.

You also make it very clear that the Chinese are corrupt but there are certain UGL's what do manufacturer quality hgh but we dont have the connections for the source and we only have access to the fake hgh sources. Can you see why I struggle to believe alot of what you say when your sat in the heart of this corrupt counterfeit country in a lab what can make these generics and your saying your unbiased especially when you say we don't have the access to the proper sources, I guess only you do. Even in your own words the Chinese and the China hgh market shouldn't be trusted so I find your post rather suspect at trying to direct members to you and certain brands yet the clear outcome of all of this is that the generic UGL market isn't to be trusted especially when we get the licensed labs like Ankbio selling fakes and underdosed hgh what on earth do we expect from the UGL's. Please don't take this as a personal attack because its not its me trying to let you know how you come across.

I know your going to come back how your lab doesnt touch hgh and you have no connection with UGL's but the facts are your sat in a lab in China what as the facilities to produce fake hgh or may well be a UGL what is pumping this shite out and when I see you only post in the brewing sections and hgh it also add's weight to making your influence look suspect. If you was into bodybuilding or worked out at all for anything you would post in other sections except the science ones but you don't and I find it harder and harder to take anything you say regarding certain brands in China as correct.

[Sheven]

You have given some very valuable advice and insight into the science of hgh throughout this thread and for some you have blinded them with science but I do feel your not totally impartial and try to infulence a certain direction towards some of the generic brands from China and this is what I struggle with when I see you post.

My reasoning behind this and what many people probably don't know anyway is your sat in a lab in China what manufacturers between other things HCG , Heparin and you also have available raw material to produce hgh or probably the chemicals to produce what many believe to be HGH. By your own words we shouldnt trust the labs in China or the Chinese yet you work in one and work for them, so when you start claiming certain generics have had good lab reports and there are some UGL's what do produce good quality hgh I get the impression your trying to influence the members with certain brands because you may be connected to them either work wise or have some personal connection.

You also make it very clear that the Chinese are corrupt but there are certain UGL's what do manufacturer quality hgh but we dont have the connections for the source and we only have access to the fake hgh sources. Can you see why I struggle to believe alot of what you say when your sat in the heart of this corrupt counterfeit country in a lab what can make these generics and your saying your unbiased especially when you say we don't have the access to the proper sources, I guess only you do. Even in your own words the Chinese and the China hgh market shouldn't be trusted so I find your post rather suspect at trying to direct members to you and certain brands yet the clear outcome of all of this is that the generic UGL market isn't to be trusted especially when we get the licensed labs like Ankbio selling fakes and underdosed hgh what on earth do we expect from the UGL's. Please don't take this as a personal attack because its not its me trying to let you know how you come across.

I know your going to come back how your lab doesnt touch hgh and you have no connection with UGL's but the facts are your sat in a lab in China what as the facilities to produce fake hgh or may well be a UGL what is pumping this shite out and when I see you only post in the brewing sections and hgh it also add's weight to making your influence look suspect. If you was into bodybuilding or worked out at all for anything you would post in other sections except the science ones but you don't and I find it harder and harder to take anything you say regarding certain brands in China as correct.

You are right and i have confirmed that before, i agree China is a huge and corrupt country and they have some doggy business ethics which i don't trust at all. But what you fail to understand is that even all this is true, its still a HUGE player in the pharmaceutical field and its such a giant that it cannot be ignored or generalized that its completely corrupt and useless. I'd say unfortunately for the western world, China has easily become the #1 pharmaceutical supplier of the world and it would be totally wrong to name it a shit-hole from where just poison and fake stuff is coming out. A big part of the goods out of there are junk but after all if we live in a western country its a high chance that our own country biggest trade partner is China and most of the stuff we eat or ware come in a form or other from there.

As for me "promoting" certain brands, i really don't think i ever supported any brand except GenSci which i personally trust from the days before the Olympics. The other brands that i know in China that have a license (Ankebio and Hygene Zhongshan) i've said it openly that are sketchy businesses and are a shame for the chinese bio-pharma field. Its true that i've seen good Riptropin lab tests posted by RonnyT (old dutchbodybuilder) that tested high in hgh amount, anyone can find that info on Google but i also said Riptropin is ran by shady Wang from Hygene Zhongshan and i wouldn't use that crap not even on an animal, ever since even if it tested high in somatropin concentration the fact that it gives massive water retention its a clear sign it contains also other substances (thing that i've outlined few posts back). So i really didn't show my support for any product, you've got this wrong, if you could point me to the posts you refer i'd be glad to reformulate if its the case.

Regarding the sourcing of good hgh being just at my accessibility, honestly i think most of you guys could get legit hgh and at least in the last years there have been tons of good hgh on the market. Since 2011 i do believe the quality of the products dropped ever since the forum boards got bigger and the demand for very cheap hgh increased. Before 2010 you could get blue top that topped 95% purity and very low dimmer (around 1%). Dr. Lin hyge i do believe was very legit as well (not that you could find it anymore). Even now the sources for the good hgh remained the same but it might be the case that few of them switched to selling shit stuff in the attempt to keep competitive. I've bought hgh directly from China from Getropin in 2007 and it was top quality, i bought the same brand last year (although this time was offering also taitropin, kigtropin and roxtropin) and it was pure junk (and the price 2 times lower).

Later edit: by the way, all the information i write about is available also on google, i totally avoid giving inside information or info i got from private information sources, just because i'd personally never trust anyone talking from "secret" sources, so it would be stupid of me to use this type of source. For example the United Cell you can find in most CIS countries public medicine auctions (Moldova, for example, its available online).

[Xtralarg]

Correct, but the fact that it was tested by customs lab and proven to be hgh does.

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Have you got a letter stating that it was tested in a lab by your government? It would be very nice if you have and you could scan and post it then pm me your source. Finding real gh is like finding black gold!

[marcus300]

^^ Again I find anything you say hard to believe when your sat in one of those labs in the biggest corrupt counterfeit country in the world and I agree they are a huge player in the counterfeit medicine market

[swithuk]

Correct, but the fact that it was tested by customs lab and proven to be hgh does.

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it would be huge to find out if they actually tested for g.h . is there any way you can confirm this ?
and what brand of g.h is this ?
thanks

[Sheven]

^^ Again I find anything you say hard to believe when your sat in one of those labs in the biggest corrupt counterfeit country in the world and I agree they are a huge player in the counterfeit medicine market

Now that you understand my reasoning behind my post (some dark commercial interest) i'd be really curious to know your reasoning, are you really really convinced about what you say about China or are you just trying to prevent people trying to get stuff out of there, just because you got stung by them and you think is safer for the rest of people not to go your path ? Because i totally miss your reasoning, one time you say GenSci is OK, next thing you say China is a huge counterfeiting market and they poison their own children ... i'm starting to believe you fell for your stock broker advices and bought stocks at Pfizer and GSK

[Edwin23q]

Are you sure they got it tested or just read on the box or the cap and concluded is HGH ? Especially since it came from Ukraine (most likely Jintropin) and they come in their boxes.

On a side note, i'd be curious how customs do conclude after a test that what the vials contain is HGH since the MS is never to the exact value of kDa and obviously they don't have standing by references of somatropin CRS.

Ok lets end the presumptions and talk some facts. They came in blank vials as getting them sent labeled is dumb. The boxes were blank and at times off a different product. I hope you can appreciate that I can't go into other facts and details on this. As far as anyone's concerned I could have had vials with Cocain or heroin coming in. Customs would have had no idea what was in there.

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[Sheven]

Ok lets end the presumptions and talk some facts. They came in blank vials as getting them sent labeled is dumb. The boxes were blank and at times off a different product. I hope you can appreciate that I can't go into other facts and details on this. As far as anyone's concerned I could have had vials with Cocain or heroin coming in. Customs would have had no idea what was in there.

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So you bought unlabeled generics from Ukraine?

[Edwin23q]

I'll scan and post the letter in 12 hours when I'm home from work. The letter clearly states the contents tested positive for human growth hormone somatrophin igf1. Also stated each vial contained 12iu's.
I won't disclose the brand but it's not Chinese shit that's for sure.

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[marcus300]

Now that you understand my reasoning behind my post (some dark commercial interest) i'd be really curious to know your reasoning, are you really really convinced about what you say about China or are you just trying to prevent people trying to get stuff out of there, just because you got stung by them and you think is safer for the rest of people not to go your path ? Because i totally miss your reasoning, one time you say GenSci is OK, next thing you say China is a huge counterfeiting market and they poison their own children ... i'm starting to believe you fell for your stock broker advices and bought stocks at Pfizer and GSK

My reasoning still stands, you didnt say anything what convinced me otherwise lol

I bought fakes yes of course I did but thats doesnt bother me why should it, its part of the game we are in especially when your dealing with such a corrupt country.I'm staff here and I do my best to keep the memebrs informed without any influence towards any make but give them my experience and feedback what I recieve and to be honest this thread does it all because its clear all the way through members do have major concerns with Chinese HGH.

Now I know I shouldn't trust anything you say, why would I not want people to buy real hgh lol I've been one of the members here who continues to try and get across what the Chinese are doing with their hgh. When Ive got good quality and ive had good feedback ive told members about it and as soon as something turns bad like Ankbio I was the first one to tell everyone here.

Facts are your sat in a lab in China what produces these types of hormones and you want me to think your not bias when your posts tell me otherwise. You dont post anywhere else except in the brewing and hgh sections, if you was into the sport you would post elsewhere because its an interest for you but you dont and your only interest is in the powders and hgh and thats your business in China.

Your making it even more obvious now and not only to me

[Edwin23q]

So you bought unlabeled generics from Ukraine?

Mate it doesn't look like your getting my point so I won't bother anymore.
Your right and I'm wrong, go rest easy now.

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[Sheven]

My reasoning still stands, you didnt say anything what convinced me otherwise lol

I bought fakes yes of course I did but thats doesnt bother me why should it, its part of the game we are in especially when your dealing with such a corrupt country.I'm staff here and I do my best to keep the memebrs informed without any influence towards any make but give them my experience and feedback what I recieve and to be honest this thread does it all because its clear all the way through members do have major concerns with Chinese HGH.

Now I know I shouldn't trust anything you say, why would I not want people to buy real hgh lol I've been one of the members here who continues to try and get across what the Chinese are doing with their hgh. When Ive got good quality and ive had good feedback ive told members about it and as soon as something turns bad like Ankbio I was the first one to tell everyone here.

Facts are your sat in a lab in China what produces these types of hormones and you want me to think your not bias when your posts tell me otherwise. You dont post anywhere else except in the brewing and hgh sections, if you was into the sport you would post elsewhere because its an interest for you but you dont and your only interest is in the powders and hgh and thats your business in China.

Your making it even more obvious now and not only to me

I don't know where you made it up the lab i work in makes anything related with hgh, because it doesn't. Doesn't even have the needed capacity because it just buys raw material from outside sources and packs it inside. Second, truth is you can't really argue against me (because i post general known google accessible truths, i don't just make up what i say), you just say "you're obviously biased" and that's all you repeat. Maybe it makes sense for some guys, i'm certain many many guys aren't convinced at all even if its true. After all, nobody can buy anything from me on this forum and i haven't promoted any product. So what's my purpose what's my point? How can i ever make a profit if i really have an dubious reason here? Its something totally illogical what you claim, i can't understand. Just the fact that i'm showing the other side of the coin which is far more realistic that your claims that all shit out of China is junk, makes you think i'm into pushing chinese stuff.

If we'd be into looking for ulterior reasons i'd say you're payed by BIG PHARMA from the USA to push into oblivion chinese pharmaceuticals and to praise the USA human grade somatropin that makes billions for those greedy CEO's. But i ain't saying that just because it would sound insane, exactly like you sound when you say i'm promoting chinese generics. **** generics don't buy anything not tested and from untruthful source, i even proposed to everybody here to do 3rd party independent testing and none of the "Staff" even got interested. So where is all the concern for the members, why nobody actually cares in testing "the shit" out of China? Why all the "anti-generics" campaign is based on "personal experience" and some claims you got shit from Ankebio ?

I can certainly guarantee thousands of members off this board used in their lifetime high quality hgh coming out of China and the fact that nobody is even interested in analyzing them and the whole argument evolves around "you are biased" and "china is shit" makes me think that there are really some shady shady things going on, other way i couldn't possibly understand all this "i refuse to argue, you are biased" type of acting. I post common sense information, china is a huge pharma player, but it seems its something i made up over night in my attempt to promote the chinese pharma industry. Definitely strange!!!!!!!

By the way, arguing against an idea by personally attacking the counterpart is ... unrealistic and dubious.

[Sheven]

Mate it doesn't look like your getting my point so I won't bother anymore.
Your right and I'm wrong, go rest easy now.

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Are you for real ? I'm trying to find out how the customs said you got "hgh" in those vials, you don't actually think they did a Mass Spectrophotometry that costs 400$ just to prove you got hgh right? Customs never spend big bucks especially for small parcels to find out if some Joe Doe wants to get highly illegal growth hormone over the customs. They usually read the label or the top and conclude without any scientific test. But it seems you're the type of guy that needs to feel assured that his gear was good so go on believing the customs performed a complicated hgh test and your gear was top notch, too bad it got seized. NURSEEEEEEEE! Bring his medicineeeeeee!

[marcus300]

I don't know where you made it up the lab i work in makes anything related with hgh, because it doesn't. Doesn't even have the needed capacity because it just buys raw material from outside sources and packs it inside. Second, truth is you can't really argue against me (because i post general known google accessible truths, i don't just make up what i say), you just say "you're obviously biased" and that's all you repeat. Maybe it makes sense for some guys, i'm certain many many guys aren't convinced at all even if its true. After all, nobody can buy anything from me on this forum and i haven't promoted any product. So what's my purpose what's my point? How can i ever make a profit if i really have an dubious reason here? Its something totally illogical what you claim, i can't understand. Just the fact that i'm showing the other side of the coin which is far more realistic that your claims that all shit out of China is junk, makes you think i'm into pushing chinese stuff.

If we'd be into looking for ulterior reasons i'd say you're payed by BIG PHARMA from the USA to push into oblivion chinese pharmaceuticals and to praise the USA human grade somatropin that makes billions for those greedy CEO's. But i ain't saying that just because it would sound insane, exactly like you sound when you say i'm promoting chinese generics. **** generics don't buy anything not tested and from untruthful source, i even proposed to everybody here to do 3rd party independent testing and none of the "Staff" even got interested. So where is all the concern for the members, why nobody actually cares in testing "the shit" out of China? Why all the "anti-generics" campaign is based on "personal experience" and some claims you got shit from Ankebio ?

I can certainly guarantee thousands of members off this board used in their lifetime high quality hgh coming out of China and the fact that nobody is even interested in analyzing them and the whole argument evolves around "you are biased" and "china is shit" makes me think that there are really some shady shady things going on, other way i couldn't possibly understand all this "i refuse to argue, you are biased" type of acting. I post common sense information, china is a huge pharma player, but it seems its something i made up over night in my attempt to promote the chinese pharma industry. Definitely strange!!!!!!!

I have the pm you sent me saying exactly what your lab does and what your capable of doing in it so please lol.

You also say some really odd things lol, I get paid from some USA pharma lol and you want me to believe what you say lol

Underneath your posts there is a certain influence and when your sat in a lab in China making these chemicals I find it hard to trust anything you say, its not only me either ive had a few pm's very recently so all our judgement must be wrong then.

Don't let it bother you I'm just saying

[Edwin23q]

Are you for real ? I'm trying to find out how the customs said you got "hgh" in those vials, you don't actually think they did a Mass Spectrophotometry that costs 400$ just to prove you got hgh right? Customs never spend big bucks especially for small parcels to find out if some Joe Doe wants to get highly illegal growth hormone over the customs. They usually read the label or the top and conclude without any scientific test. But it seems you're the type of guy that needs to feel assured that his gear was good so go on believing the customs performed a complicated hgh test and your gear was top notch, too bad it got seized. NURSEEEEEEEE! Bring his medicineeeeeee!

As per my previous post , you are 100% correct.

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[Sheven]

I have the pm you sent me saying exactly what your lab does and what your capable of doing in it so please lol.

You also say some really odd things lol, I get paid from some USA pharma lol and you want me to believe what you say lol

Underneath your posts there is a certain influence and when your sat in a lab in China making these chemicals I find it hard to trust anything you say, its not only me either ive had a few pm's very recently so all our judgement must be wrong then.

Don't let it bother you I'm just saying

Bro i was talking about hcg and heparin in my PM. you can feel free to post it in the public the PM i don't mind at all. i certainly didn't reply your PM saying i work in a hgh factory didnt i? Since when you draw the conclusion hcg and heparin have anything to do with hgh or steroid powders? Hcg comes from yantai beifang and the heparin from Shenzhen Hepalink. there are no hgh capabilities what so ever. Its not cool you try to make me look like i work in a hgh factory, although i can openly say i'd be more than glad that to be true.

i'm really not bothered by your insinuations especially since they are not true, its just a little bit frustrating that i'm trying to post real information and argue it clearly and you're just counter-arguing everything with "your biased, i dont believe you".

[marcus300]

Bro i was talking about hcg and heparin in my PM. you can feel free to post it in the public the PM i don't mind at all. i certainly didn't reply your PM saying i work in a hgh factory didnt i? Since when you draw the conclusion hcg and heparin have anything to do with hgh or steroid powders? Hcg comes from yantai beifang and the heparin from Shenzhen Hepalink. there are no hgh capabilities what so ever. Its not cool you try to make me look like i work in a hgh factory, although i can openly say i'd be more than glad that to be true.

i'm really not bothered by your insinuations especially since they are not true, its just a little bit frustrating that i'm trying to post real information and argue it clearly and you're just counter-arguing everything with "your biased, i dont believe you".

Ok thats all I needed to get permission to post your pm, and you say your factory doesnt have the capabilities what so ever but in your pm to me you said " you can get hold of high purity raw material hgh which I can freeze dry in the factory and you also stated you have tried this, yet now your factory doesnt have the capabilities what so ever....

Ive also got more pm's

i'm working in china currently and can get hold of high purity raw material hgh which i can freeze-dry in the factory i work. i work in a medium sized factory that manufacturers between other things HCG and heparin. i tried it before and it worked incredible well for the somatropin.

If your not bother and I wont ever change my mind about trusting you, nothing more to say

[Sheven]

Ok thats all I needed to get permission to post your pm, and you say your factory doesnt have the capabilities what so ever but in your pm to me you said " you can get hold of high purity raw material hgh which I can freeze dry in the factory and you also stated you have tried this, yet now your factory doesnt have the capabilities what so ever....

Ive also got more pm's




If your not bother and I wont ever change my mind about trusting you, nothing more to say

Yeah bro but i was always open about that. I can get the raw material hgh powder any day of the week and you could to, Ankebio even sells it on tradekey LOL! The HGH is frozen exactly the same way HCG is. But you fail to understand that doesn't mean making any hgh, is just buying the raw material and packing it in vials. I just have access to the freeze dryer, for making hgh you need a series of expensive (1.5mil at least) equipment. So what's your point? If you monitor daily my PM's and i don't sell anything, its clear to anyone i don't promote any brand what so ever, why are you even repeating over and over again i'm biased? My only clear direction is "china has a lot of good pharma stuff" and you clearly have a problem with that. I actually know what the problem is, and i just realized it today. I really don't want to mess up your racket and it was foolish for me to fall for the "members benefit" scheme.

You want to make me look biased but you didn't expect me to be so open about it, truth is i don't sell and promote anything here on the board but i certainly mess someones own racket that does some kind of this activity, am i right ? China stuff is crap, human grade is the only way to go, hold on a second...to protect the sheep, you gotta catch the wolf ... and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. I'm really sorry i interfered with your work here i really didn't know something like this was going on, honestly i respect mods on all boards and i can totally understand each board has its own show, you could just have sent me a PM telling me to shut up and i would have stopped posting here, i'm really not into messing anyones racket especially since its your board. I'm not gonna continue my idea that there is still hope in China but i suggest in the future to find more realistic arguments because honestly anyone with a circumspect attitude can smell something strange in here...and constantly avoiding any realistic argumentation and systematically personal attacking is a total cover blowing strategy.

[marcus300]

Yeah bro but i was always open about that. I can get the raw material hgh powder any day of the week and you could to, Ankebio even sells it on tradekey LOL! The HGH is frozen exactly the same way HCG is. But you fail to understand that doesn't mean making any hgh, is just buying the raw material and packing it in vials. I just have access to the freeze dryer, for making hgh you need a series of expensive (1.5mil at least) equipment. So what's your point? If you monitor daily my PM's and i don't sell anything, its clear to anyone i don't promote any brand what so ever, why are you even repeating over and over again i'm biased? My only clear direction is "china has a lot of good pharma stuff" and you clearly have a problem with that. I actually know what the problem is, and i just realized it today. I really don't want to mess up your racket and it was foolish for me to fall for the "members benefit" scheme.

You want to make me look biased but you didn't expect me to be so open about it, truth is i don't sell and promote anything here on the board but i certainly mess someones own racket that does some kind of this activity, am i right ? China stuff is crap, human grade is the only way to go, hold on a second...to protect the sheep, you gotta catch the wolf ... and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. I'm really sorry i interfered with your work here i really didn't know something like this was going on, honestly i respect mods on all boards and i can totally understand each board has its own show, you could just have sent me a PM telling me to shut up and i would have stopped posting here, i'm really not into messing anyones racket especially since its your board. I'm not gonna continue my idea that there is still hope in China but i suggest in the future to find more realistic arguments because honestly anyone with a circumspect attitude can smell something strange in here...and constantly avoiding any realistic argumentation and systematically personal attacking is a total cover blowing strategy.

You did say your factory doesnt have the capabilities what so ever now its a bit different lol.. ohh is this a play on words thing

I've also got other pm's you sent to other people but i'll save you the embarrassment because I'm not posting them here due to the memebrs want to remain anonymous but suppose I can edit their name out...

Like ive said on my first post tonight, I dont trust anything you say because your sat in a lab in China and you try to influence the direction of the members. I know what your capable of doing because you have told many members here and I really didnt mean to upset you at all just giving you my view on your posts.

Lets leave this now and get the thread back on track, I didnt want to go off track like this so if you have anything else to say pm me

Thank you


ps, pull yourself together now I sell hgh for some pharma lol lol

[Sheven]

You did say your factory doesnt have the capabilities what so ever now its a bit different lol.. ohh is this a play on words thing

I've also got other pm's you sent to other people but i'll save you the embarrassment because I'm not posting them here due to the memebrs want to remain anonymous but suppose I can edit their name out...

Like ive said on my first post tonight, I dont trust anything you say because your sat in a lab in China and you try to influence the direction of the members. I know what your capable of doing because you have told many members here and I really didnt mean to upset you at all just giving you my view on your posts.

Lets leave this now and get the thread back on track, I didnt want to go off track like this so if you have anything else to say pm me

Thank you

Do you know the difference between making hgh and packing it? Having a freeze dryer isn't making hgh, a freeze dryer cost 15.000$ i guess you can make the difference between that and a facility able to manufacture hgh right?

About the PM's not showing, its again your tactic to discredit me. But i totally don't care ever since I POST JUST FOR FUN.

And if the fun just started let me tell you my theory, i just made it up when i was in the bathroom:

You are having interest in human grade hgh, and you're discrediting the whole chinese generic industry. You know GenSci doesn't sell directly so you vouch for them because it makes you look more credible. But you attack Ankebio. Why would you do that? Because Ankebio is affecting your business, they are selling to anyone contacting them so you made up all that story about their Ansomone being fake. You never posted any real lab tests backing up your claims was just your word against them. Why would we trust you ? Just because you're a mod and all you say is "its true because i say it is" doesn't make it true. I was actually taking what you said for granted but since today you 100% prove me you have interest in somekind of products, i'm almost sure this Ankebio story was all made up.

You can't argue anything i say, i was wondering why why, why would marcus ever be so stubborn and never even agree that China has some decent pharma, it all came clear to me today, you're having interests my brother. Its no problem like i said, feel free to run your racket, i can guarantee you didn't lost any business against me because i turned away any purchase proposition, you know why ? Because my hole intention and role on this board was to challenge the status quo, i knew this day would come that i'd be personally attacked, i knew you monitor my PM's and that's the very reason i never helped you get HGH, you say now you solicited me to purchase "tens of thousands of IU's" just to test me? I think you're a big time dealer and are annoyed i'm raising questions around the community.

Oh crap marcus, this could all have been avoided if you just didn't try to call me out without a reason, i'd also have agreed to back you up regarding chinese generics being crap, i actually played in your game of calling out Ankebio as shit, even though honestly, they are OK my brother, they make decent hgh, their only fault is they are selling it to openly and honestly, they are ruining the business also for me. . Ban ban ban.

[marcus300]

Do you know the difference between making hgh and packing it? Having a freeze dryer isn't making hgh, a freeze dryer cost 15.000$ i guess you can make the difference between that and a facility able to manufacture hgh right?

About the PM's not showing, its again your tactic to discredit me. But i totally don't care ever since I POST JUST FOR FUN.

And if the fun just started let me tell you my theory, i just made it up when i was in the bathroom:

You are having interest in human grade hgh, and you're discrediting the whole chinese generic industry. You know GenSci doesn't sell directly so you vouch for them because it makes you look more credible. But you attack Ankebio. Why would you do that? Because Ankebio is affecting your business, they are selling to anyone contacting them so you made up all that story about their Ansomone being fake. You never posted any real lab tests backing up your claims was just your word against them. Why would we trust you ? Just because you're a mod and all you say is "its true because i say it is" doesn't make it true. I was actually taking what you said for granted but since today you 100% prove me you have interest in somekind of products, i'm almost sure this Ankebio story was all made up.

You can't argue anything i say, i was wondering why why, why would marcus ever be so stubborn and never even agree that China has some decent pharma, it all came clear to me today, you're having interests my brother. Its no problem like i said, feel free to run your racket, i can guarantee you didn't lost any business against me because i turned away any purchase proposition, you know why ? Because my hole intention and role on this board was to challenge the status quo, i knew this day would come that i'd be personally attacked, i knew you monitor my PM's and that's the very reason i never helped you get HGH, you say now you solicited me to purchase "tens of thousands of IU's" just to test me? I think you're a big time dealer and are annoyed i'm raising questions around the community.

Oh crap marcus, this could all have been avoided if you just didn't try to call me out without a reason, i'd also have agreed to back you up regarding chinese generics being crap, i actually played in your game of calling out Ankebio as shit, even though honestly, they are OK my brother, they make decent hgh, their only fault is they are selling it to openly and honestly, they are ruining the business also for me. . Ban ban ban.

Stop trying to divert the attention, I don't sell or have any connection to any pharm hgh your making yourself look worse. lol

The reason why I got in contact with you via pm was because members told me you was up to something, so I opened you up via pm no need to get upset about that. Thats the truth and me being staff here try and keep this board safe and secure from scammer's etc. I knew you wouldnt opnely tell me anything but you told me alot and YOU also told other people who you thought you could trust what your capable of doing

We both know what's inside the pm's you have sent to people dont we thats why your getting stressed and upset

If you have anything else to say do it through pm and get this thread back on track

[Sheven]

Let the thread like that, lets see who is credible and let the members decide for themselves. You are actually making me publicity however i don't need it, yes i can pack any freeze-dry-able powder i work on a Millrock lyo, anyone can get hgh raw material from Ankebio (but its shit hgh because marcus said so). Most of the members buy steroid powders from china same way they can buy hgh raw material. Is the simple truth however you want to make it look.

By the way, if you say i am offering stuff to members etc, why did i even got promoted recently to Knowledgeble member, why didn't just got banned? Or is this board promoting PM sellers? What the F*uk i totally dont understand. Fishy fishy fishy.

OUT. *radiosound*

PS: if you say you have no connection with pharm grade hgh, why do you say you used it all your life and you know how it works? You wouldn't be some kind of millionaire right? Fishy fishy, you see two can play this game, difference i really smell something at you and you're just pulling your luck with me because i come and go on this forum i don't depend on it, however i think you're making a living here. Marcus, in other life, we can be best friends, i love your Makiavelic schems, just please work on the argumentation part, its always good to be prepared with sciencey sounding stuff, i also make up most of things i say, but they sound credible am i right??? MALDI-MS, SDS-PAGE, who the hell even knows what that means but i keep repeating it to sound smart...it works bro!!!

[marcus300]

Let the thread like that, lets see who is credible and let the members decide for themselves. You are actually making me publicity however i don't need it, yes i can pack any freeze-dry-able powder i work on a Millrock lyo, anyone can get hgh raw material from Ankebio (but its shit hgh because marcus said so). Most of the members buy steroid powders from china same way they can buy hgh raw material. Is the simple truth however you want to make it look.

By the way, if you say i am offering stuff to members etc, why did i even got promoted recently to Knowledgeble member, why didn't just got banned? Or is this board promoting PM sellers? What the F*uk i totally dont understand. Fishy fishy fishy.

OUT. *radiosound*

We both know what you said in PM to members

lets stop with your diversion tactics, I can see your getting upset.,

3rd time - if you have anything else to say to me do it through pm, if you dont leave let it be

[>Good Luck<]

I don't know which HGH to buy now... I can't trust anyone! i cant trust anything...I'm so confused!!! LMFAO

[gixxerboy1]

Correct, but the fact that it was tested by customs lab and proven to be hgh does.

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Customs,doesn't spend the money ans send our samples for testing.

[gixxerboy1]

Ok lets end the presumptions and talk some facts. They came in blank vials as getting them sent labeled is dumb. The boxes were blank and at times off a different product. I hope you can appreciate that I can't go into other facts and details on this. As far as anyone's concerned I could have had vials with Cocain or heroin coming in. Customs would have had no idea what was in there.

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Ik my boy works for customd in nyc. Your vials were not tested.

[EasyDoesIt]

Let the thread like that, lets see who is credible and let the members decide for themselves. You are actually making me publicity however i don't need it, yes i can pack any freeze-dry-able powder i work on a Millrock lyo, anyone can get hgh raw material from Ankebio (but its shit hgh because marcus said so). Most of the members buy steroid powders from china same way they can buy hgh raw material. Is the simple truth however you want to make it look.

By the way, if you say i am offering stuff to members etc, why did i even got promoted recently to Knowledgeble member, why didn't just got banned? Or is this board promoting PM sellers? What the F*uk i totally dont understand. Fishy fishy fishy.

OUT. *radiosound*

PS: if you say you have no connection with pharm grade hgh, why do you say you used it all your life and you know how it works? You wouldn't be some kind of millionaire right? Fishy fishy, you see two can play this game, difference i really smell something at you and you're just pulling your luck with me because i come and go on this forum i don't depend on it, however i think you're making a living here. Marcus, in other life, we can be best friends, i love your Makiavelic schems, just please work on the argumentation part, its always good to be prepared with sciencey sounding stuff, i also make up most of things i say, but they sound credible am i right??? MALDI-MS, SDS-PAGE, who the hell even knows what that means but i keep repeating it to sound smart...it works bro!!!

i have not been using pharm grade all my life but i know how it works inside me. I know how the generics work and even when i thought i was getting quality pharm grade Chinese the difference when i got real non Chinese was night and day, so i don't consider myself being fishy, i am not a moderator just a member attempting to show my experience. I just want to express the difference to people who may not know. Do you feel ankiebio did sell fakes? Even if it were sales people inside the company and they were selling from ankie, do you think fakes came from there company via there office and a facility owned by them? Just looking for your call on this. I thought past posts you thought that ankie was selling fakes, but i may be wrong. Jus looking to see myself what you think.

[Sheven]

i have not been using pharm grade all my life but i know how it works inside me. I know how the generics work and even when i thought i was getting quality pharm grade Chinese the difference when i got real non Chinese was night and day, so i don't consider myself being fishy, i am not a moderator just a member attempting to show my experience. I just want to express the difference to people who may not know. Do you feel ankiebio did sell fakes? Even if it were sales people inside the company and they were selling from ankie, do you think fakes came from there company via there office and a facility owned by them? Just looking for your call on this. I thought past posts you thought that ankie was selling fakes, but i may be wrong. Jus looking to see myself what you think.

Ankebio has a stupid type of marketing/sales team. They go on b2b websites and sell their stuff like its a protein supplement not a RX pharmaceutical product. In my opinion that makes them look childish and desperate market seekers and also opens them to all sorts of risks. But i never tested ankebio neither i heard bad reviews except what marcus said, i was taking what marcus300 said for granted, if a big-time well respected mod said Ankebio is shit, it must be right? I feel stupid now for taking this information for granted... i actually don't know if they really ever sold fakes, i know for fact many guys on this forum PM me saying their Ansomone was top notch and never got scammed, everyone can draw their own conclusion.

[alex18]

Ik my boy works for customd in nyc. Your vials were not tested.

To be fair he's in Australia .....could be different rules to NYC

[EasyDoesIt]

Ankebio has a stupid type of marketing/sales team. They go on b2b websites and sell their stuff like its a protein supplement not a RX pharmaceutical product. In my opinion that makes them look childish and desperate market seekers and also opens them to all sorts of risks. But i never tested ankebio neither i heard bad reviews except what marcus said, i was taking what marcus300 said for granted, if a big-time well respected mod said Ankebio is shit, it must be right? I feel stupid now for taking this information for granted... i actually don't know if they really ever sold fakes, i know for fact many guys on this forum PM me saying their Ansomone was top notch and never got scammed, everyone can draw their own conclusion.

Ronnie Rowland had fakes. If they are selectively scamming, that is still a risk. Also, if they are selling on those type of websites that is pretty much what the scammers do. I could not see top notch pharmaceutical companies listing there products on those type of sites. How long has it been that they were selling on B2B Sites? I am in U.S. and have only bought products that have come off the scam sites, which of course did not know till more research especially from this thread. My jin's led me here. I was suspicious even with labels authenticating by my sides and lack of results. Later i found out that the jin site was not the site jin uses for there pharm-grade, but i certainly believe 100% it is run by them, that site would have been shut down immediately if jintropin (gensci) filed a complaint.

[Sgt. Hartman]

So if Eli Lilly had a few corrupt members of its "sales team" who were selling expired bunk GH out the back door to bbers, would we say Eli Lilly are scammers and Humatrope is fake?

[gixxerboy1]

To be fair he's in Australia .....could be different rules to NYC

Didnt realize

[EasyDoesIt]

So if Eli Lilly had a few corrupt members of its "sales team" who were selling expired bunk GH out the back door to bbers, would we say Eli Lilly are scammers and Humatrope is fake?

I am guessing that was for me, but no quote.

Eli lilly probably does not sell on b2b sites and they also do not sell to outside reps without scripts and i think ankiebio does. Or even if ankiebio sales people are allowed to do there own thing, Eli Lilly would not allow that for very long. How long does anki continue to allow there sales people to continue while forums have been posting about it.

[marcus300]

Ronnie Rowland had fakes. If they are selectively scamming, that is still a risk. Also, if they are selling on those type of websites that is pretty much what the scammers do. I could not see top notch pharmaceutical companies listing there products on those type of sites. How long has it been that they were selling on B2B Sites? I am in U.S. and have only bought products that have come off the scam sites, which of course did not know till more research especially from this thread. My jin's led me here. I was suspicious even with labels authenticating by my sides and lack of results. Later i found out that the jin site was not the site jin uses for there pharm-grade, but i certainly believe 100% it is run by them, that site would have been shut down immediately if jintropin (gensci) filed a complaint.

Ankbio sold top quality hgh and it was sold by the factory and the monies was deposited into their company account. They sold quality hgh for a few years I used rather alot of it and also some friends who are competitors had amazing results so I knew I could vouch for them. I even had sent to me a lab report what tested the purity which I am sure is posted here somewhere. Many members also bought Ankbio's hgh and were very satisfied and if anyone asked me about hgh I passed on who was top quality at this time, many staff and members used them and the quality of Ankbio hgh wasn't in question because of the results people were getting and the high amount of good feedback I was getting.


I started to get friends and members questioning the quality of the latest batch of Ankbio, persoanlly I wasn't on them at the time when I first started to get this feedback so I made an order and found out myself that the latest hgh what was being sent out was different, then I got Ronnie Rowland who had used them for a long time get in touch with me and tell me he thinks his hgh is fake or underdosed. By the time I tried it I had many pm's giving me feedback that they thought Ankbio was selling fakes because the results and sides were not the same, I can vouch for this along side many of my friends. Once I knew this information I started to post it here along side with Ronnie R, I didnt want to post this information because I was one of the guys who recommend them but if Ankbio started to selectively scam customers by selling fakes or undedosed hgh I knew I had to get it out there for everyone to see and then they can make their own minds up. The whole thing exploded and others started to mention it and one guy from ProM had a blood test which showed normal levels which he posted in this thread somewhere.


I personally think they started to selcetively scam the underground market with either underdosed or fake hgh and I stop using them, many others also stopped using them because of the feedback what people were stated in this thread from guys who are experienced and used hgh. They may still send out quality hgh but when something like this happens you lose faith and thats what happened, up to you if you want to risk buying them again and if you do please post some feedback. Just be careful of certern members who try and divert your attention especially people who are sat in a lab in China and who may well have his fingers stuck in some UGL producing generic's, strange how things started to get hot under his collar when he found out I had his pm's and emails what he sent to memebrs