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03-30-2009, 01:16 PM #1081
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Sorry guys... Exams are about to start here, and I'm still training a full client load 7 days per week.
Needless to say, I've been unable to find the time to get here of late.
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No prob.
In what timeframe?
Good job.
What you should realize however is that weight-/muscle-gain isn't a linear process.
We go through spurts and plateaus... sometimes even regressions.
One shouldn't expect that, having reached a plateau as you have, the implementation of a new stimuli will automatically mean continuation towards your projected goal.
Have you deloaded since starting HIT?
See above.
That being said, I'll take a peak at your diet.
I'd like you to attempt to post a sample day of what you were doing prior.
Anyway, here goes:
So here it is:
Code:MEAL #1 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat Egg Whites 2 32 0 8 0 Whole Eggs 4 404 4 28 28 Oatmeal 1 Cup 300 54 10 5 TOTAL 736 58 46 33 MEAL #2 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat Avocado 1 322 17 4 20 Hemp Protein 1 Scoop 58 6 6 1 Soy Protein 1 Scoop 120 1 27 1 Soy Milk 2 Cups 200 16 14 8 Manna Bread 1 Slice 160 29 6 2 TOTAL 860 69 57 32 MEAL #3 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat Salmon Fillet 8 oz. 200 0 40 5 Rice 1/3 Cup 230 48 5 2 Almonds 12 83 3 3 7 TOTAL 513 51 48 14 MEAL #4 (PWO) QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat Gatorade Powder 2 Scoops 260 66 0 0 Hemp Protein 2 Scoops 115 13 12 3 Whey Protein 1 Scoop 117 2 25 1 TOTAL 492 81 37 4 MEAL #5 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat Tuna 1 Can 120 0 26 2 Baked Potato 1 145 34 3 0 Hemp Protein 2 Scoops 115 13 12 3 Soy Milk 1 Cup 100 8 7 4 TOTAL 480 55 48 9 MEAL #6 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat Chicken Breast 8 oz. 260 0 54 4 Rice 1/3 Cup 230 48 5 2 Walnuts 6 Halves 80 2 2 8 TOTAL 570 50 61 14 Cal Carb Pro Fat DAILY TOTAL 3651 364 297 106
Even having factored your 90 minutes of activity in on training days + your weight (as you have no idea what your bodyfat percentage is), it's still too much.
You plan to eat like this daily?
Seems like a sure-fire way to get big fast.
... i.e. Fat.
I don't see the point personally.
If you were cutting for a competition and needed to fill the horrendous hole left by a restricted kcal intake... then sure.
But bulking, and already piling a shit-tonne of food in?
Hell no.
When's digestion supposed to take place?
Add 'em in with meals for the phyto profile, and fiber content... but 'snacking', no.
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Lemme take a second glance at the macro combinations now:
MEAL #1 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat
Egg Whites 2 32 0 8 0
Whole Eggs 4 404 4 28 28
Oatmeal 1 Cup 300 54 10 5
TOTAL 736 58 46 33
MEAL #2 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat
Avocado 1 322 17 4 20
Hemp Protein 1 Scoop 58 6 6 1
Soy Protein 1 Scoop 120 1 27 1
Soy Milk 2 Cups 200 16 14 8
Manna Bread 1 Slice 160 29 6 2
TOTAL 860 69 57 32
MEAL #3 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat
Salmon Fillet 8 oz. 200 0 40 5
Rice 1/3 Cup 230 48 5 2
Almonds 12 83 3 3 7
TOTAL 513 51 48 14
MEAL #4 (PWO) QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat
Gatorade Powder 2 Scoops 260 66 0 0
Hemp Protein 2 Scoops 115 13 12 3
Whey Protein 1 Scoop 117 2 25 1
TOTAL 492 81 37 4
Can't fathom the taste though lol.
I'm yet to find a hemp protein that doesn't taste like unwashed anus.
MEAL #5 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat
Tuna 1 Can 120 0 26 2
Baked Potato 1 145 34 3 0
Hemp Protein 2 Scoops 115 13 12 3
Soy Milk 1 Cup 100 8 7 4
TOTAL 480 55 48 9
MEAL #6 QTY Cal Carb Pro Fat
Chicken Breast 8 oz. 260 0 54 4
Rice 1/3 Cup 230 48 5 2
Walnuts 6 Halves 80 2 2 8
TOTAL 570 50 61 14
Why are you trying to push so much fat in meals mate?
I'm curious as to your rationale.
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Cool.
If you're splitting macros equally over the course of the day (6 meals, as you outlined in your previous post), then you'd be looking at 50gr carbs from dextrose.
Really doesn't matter.
No drug-drug interactions that I know of.
That too doesn't matter.
Personally I prefer PWO cardio.
I prefer to go by feel as opposed to a specific BPM range.
I like interval training... Go all out for short durations, and alternate with moderate duration work.
No need to overthink it.
You could probably find my old training journal in the work-out section.
Or, you could PM me for links to all of 'em, hosted elsewhere.
I have 5 years worth of bulking/cutting logs online at present... That should shed some light on my thoughts on either.
Barring that, you could PM Ronnie Rowland and query his slingshot training method.
Cool buddy.
np mate.
Hope the cycle's going well.
-CNS
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Originally Posted by jp2007;4****35
Whenever I do, my body hates me.
Soy milk/protein is a staple in my diet.
Good thread.
I've got a couple nice posts in that discussion.
I've also written an article which deals with soy protein.
Anyone interested in reading it can email me or hit me with a PM.
-CNS
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Have I missed any posts?
If so, please post a link to 'em and i'll check 'em out.
If you guys don't see me around, hit me with an email.
Thanks.
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03-31-2009, 10:05 PM #1089
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Heey.. I happen to like maltodextrin.
lol.
Sure.
Do you have any idea of how they've responded to individual proteins?
I ask this because this'd go a long way in establishing what would be used 'most efficiently'.
I avoid whey because my body reacts to it as it would an allergen.
My pwo blend is generally egg white and soy protein w/ casein peptides.
I opt for a blend because I believe the body responds 'better' to extended-release foods...
The purpose of the pwo meal is to initiate recovery... and that doesn't require the shit-tonne of quick-acting substrates I see guys indiscriminately piling in.
Anyway... I've digressed.
brb... gonna look at true-protein's menu
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03-31-2009, 10:45 PM #1091Heey.. I happen to like maltodextrin.
lol.
Sure.
Do you have any idea of how they've responded to individual proteins?
I ask this because this'd go a long way in establishing what would be used 'most efficiently'.
brb... gonna look at true-protein's menuLast edited by IM708; 03-31-2009 at 10:50 PM.
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Honestly, if I was going for PWO... for myself personally, I'd go with:
5% Leucine; 35% egg white protein; 40% rice protein concentrate; 20% whole grain brown rice
This'd easily fit into a pwo meal w/ the macro spread @ about 45% pro, 35% carb, 20% fat (should one add supplemental fat)... with a low allergen profile.
This'd be absolutely great for me.
I'd also add splenda and aminogen to the mix.
I actually put together a true-protein order this month... It's going to look much like the above.
-CNSLast edited by Narkissos; 03-31-2009 at 11:26 PM. Reason: typo
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03-31-2009, 11:13 PM #1093
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Another nice blend would be: Whey Protein Isolate Ultra-Filtration 20%,Calcium Caseinate 20%, Egg White Protein 20%, Trehalose 40%.
I find Trehalose very interesting personally.
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Some very cool Trehalose info: http://hdlighthouse.org/TreatmentNow...2trehalose.php
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03-31-2009, 11:29 PM #1098Banned
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you ever heard of/tried the protien shake pro complex?? if so, what do you think of it.. this would be pwo
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It isn't bad to be honest.
ON has great products all round.
Another nice blend is Lean Labrada's v60... It's one of the few products w/ whey in it that didn't affect me negatively.
My only concern w/ v60 is that it listed 'creamer' in the ingredient profile... further breaking down the make-up of said 'creamer' to include corn syrup.
I'm pretty sure the content is miniscule... but a concern all the same, particularly if one's looking past the PWO environment. i.e. If one's looking for a product that one can use all day.
Anyway.. back to ON pro complex: Go for it.
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03-31-2009, 11:43 PM #1100Banned
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03-31-2009, 11:47 PM #1101
hey nark im cutting again ran out of funds to bulk. Should i go back to my old cutting diet that got me to where i wanted to be or modify it???
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03-31-2009, 11:49 PM #1102Banned
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while im at it, what can you tell me about tren in the context of elevated feed efficency and the adjustment of diet??
ie. if i had a tdce of 3500kcal and i usualy wanted to get down to 3100kcal for cutting, would i be able to drop my cal level further??Last edited by jamyjamjr; 04-01-2009 at 12:01 AM.
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As tren has never been tested in humans, any percentage given is purely speculation.
That being said, it's been found that trenbolone increased feed efficiency in cattle by 20%.[1]
So unchanged calorie intake = 20% more muscle tissue.
So yes... By this train of thought, one could drop kcals and still maintain mass.
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References:
1. Duckett, S. K., and J. G. Andrae. 2000. Implant strategies in an integrated beef production system. J. Anim. Sci. 79(Suppl. E):110–117.
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04-01-2009, 01:52 AM #1105
I have read a lot of post on this thread. My goal is to cut bodyfat as rapidly as possible with minimal lean body mass loss. My stats are as follows
Age: 28
Height: 5'9
Weight: 198lbs
Bodyfat: 15%
I calculated my TDEE is 3129 calories, this was calculated with the Katch McArdle formula.
I know that this thread is just about nutrition but I want to add that I am going to cycle Clen for about 6 weeks.
I am interested in Carb cycling, I haven't posted a diet yet because I am still not sure of what my caloric needs should be for my goal?
So with these numbers, what would you recommend my calorie mark to be to lose the fat? I plan on keeping my macros at about 40/40/20, and will be trying to avoid all simple carbs. I plan on my main carb source being from red potatoes or oats, and green leafy vegetables.
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04-01-2009, 05:02 AM #1106
I misread your original post. I thought you said that 20% of T cals in that protein matrix was from fat.
Some very cool Trehalose info: http://hdlighthouse.org/TreatmentNow...2trehalose.php
What do you think of 20% calcium caseinate, 40% whey isolate ultra filtration, 40% wms? Thanks for the info
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04-01-2009, 09:05 AM #1108AR's Personal Trainer
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f you dont mind critiqing mine while i give you some background and stats.
height-5'10
age-19
BF-14%
weight-177
resistance training-4x a wek
cardio training-4 x a week
(am a personal trainer so this part is in tact)
diet history- about 2 years ago i was naive and stupid and learned the hard way about cutting. i was eating 3 peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches a day on whole wheat bread as a diet.. got down to 167 yep pathetic i know.. anyways i dropped alot of weight (which gained back eventually) sacrificed muscle and water...of course lost body fat but learned the hard way!
Anyways, about 2 months ago i was on a bulk diet consisting of 3100 kcal a day.. eating 1000 cal for breakfeast eating every 3.5 hours.. anyway i learned the hardway again that my body could not digest that breakfeast quickly enough before i had my next meal, hence fat weight. Great strength gaines but i got up to 192 lbs fresh in the morning, with an addition to my lower gut (where i genetically store most noticeable fat) =(
I am now 177 after fooling around with cutting diets until today, i found what i believe to be my staple cutting diet. I calculated my BMR by taking my lean weight (153) x 13 (for men) which eqauls 1989 calories. Now, on my workout days i add about 500-600 calories to that number which equals 2489-2589 calories (BMR + ACTIVITY)
My goal is body fat loss, im not concerned with weight at all.
here is the diet.
Diet
Breakfast (1) 10:30
1 cup kashi oatmeal(300)
Pro-18
Fat-4
Carb-50
8 egg whites (136)
Pro-29
9 grams roasted (no salt) almonds (57)(OMITT NON-WORKOUT DAYS)
Pro-2
Fat-5
Carb-2
Total calories-493/ pro-49/fat-9/ carb-52
GYM
PWO MEAL (2)
2 scoop whey protein(240)(after weight raining)
Pro-48
Fat-2
Carb-4
1 naval orange (70)(after cardio)
Carb-19
Total calories PWO-410/pro-49/fat-2/carb-23 (OMITT NON WORKOUT DAYS)
Meal (3) 30-40 min after PWO
1 cup brown rice (212)
Pro-5
Carb-44
Fat-1
1 cups mixed veggies (90)
Pro-2
Carb-18
Fat-0
6 slices low sodium turkey (120)
Pro-22
Total calories-422/pro-29/carb-62/fat-0
Meal 4
1 tbsp organic PB(100)
Pro-3.5
Fat-9
Carb-3
1 banana(110)
Carb-27
6 oz Grilled Chicken(110)
Pro-42
Fat-0
Carb-0
9 grams roasted (no salt) almonds (57)(OMITT NON WORKOUT DAYS)
Pro-2
Fat-5
Carb-2
Total calories-487/pro-50/fat-14/carb-32
Meal 5
2 cup mixed veggies(90)
Pro-2
Carb-36
4-5 oz. grilled London broil (202)
Pro-32
Carb-0
Fat-8
Cottage Cheese (110) (fat free)*
Pro-15
Carb-8
Fat-5
total calories -492/pro-51/fat-13/carb-44
Meal 6
1 scoop casein protein(120)
Pro-23
Fat-1
Carb-2
1 tbsp PB(100)
Pro-3.5
Fat-9
Carb-3
9 grams roasted (no salt) almonds (57)(OMITT NON WORKOUT DAYS)
Pro-2
Fat-5
Carb-2
Total calories-277/pro-28.5/fat-15/carb-7
TOTAL CALORIES PER DAY-2581
TOTAL FAT-53
TOTAL CARB-220
TOTAL PROTEIN-257
OFF DAYS-ELIMINATE PWO AND NUTS throughout day
Total calories per day-2090
Total pro-203.5
Total fat-36
Total carb-209
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04-01-2009, 01:22 PM #1109
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04-01-2009, 04:02 PM #1110
Hi Nark, yeah you missed mine. Near the bottom of page 27 as follows
Thanx for this dude
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The cardio listed below... is that what you're currently doing? Or is it what you intend to do?
It's What I've been doing for a few weeks so I will add 30 mins after each upper body workout. And drop my Wednesday HIIT for pre breakfast fat burn.
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Pretty solid diet... but too many calories IMO
Noted. How many would you suggest I drop or change my multiplier to?
Also, do I drop cals evenly across my macros or just from carbs?
And, will I need a refeed at all?
Also can I post a link to last years transformation. Thanx to Nova for his diet advice last year. I wanna be bigger, better and leaner this year!!
BF estimate please.
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04-01-2009, 11:57 PM #1111
Hey nark! What's up man? Okay, I'm finally about to start my keto diet, and I wanted you to shred it, and let me know what you think and tweak if necessary. I was going to post this somewhere else but couldn't find a spot over there where you were really doing diet critiquing. So here it is my friend:
Morning: 2 eggs, 2 turkey links, 4 strips of turkey bacon
Totals: 410 kcal/250kcal Fat/ 33g Protein/0 Carbs
Mid Morning: 1 Tbsp Organic Hemp Oil
Totals: 120 kcal/120kcal Fat/ 0 Protein/0 Carbs
Lunch: 8 oz. Boneless skinless chicken breast, mixed vegetables, lettuce wrap with ¼ cup albacore, 1 Tbsp mayonnaise
Totals: 440 kcal/143kcal Fat/ 50g Protein/5g Carbs
Mid Lunch: Protein Shake 1 scoop Whey, 1 cup organic unsweetened soy milk, ¼ cup No Sugar Added Bryer’s Ice Cream; 1 oz. peanuts.
Totals: 436 kcal/205kcal Fat/43g Protein/22g carbs
Dinner: 8 oz. top round steak, mixed vegetables, 1 Tbsp Earth Balance butter spread.
Totals: 510 kcal/ 265 kcal Fat/ 54g Protein/5g carbs
Evening snack: String Cheese
Totals: 60 kcal/10 kcal Fat/6g Protein/3g carbs
Complete totals: 1976 Kcals/ 993 Kcals fat/ 186g Protein/ 35g Carbs
This is strict for 4 weeks and then I will start Cycling. Let me know what up! Later man.
Get Narked!
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04-03-2009, 09:53 PM #1112Banned
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any plans on making a nutritional book nark??
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Guys I'm up to my eyeballs in it right now, but i'll be back on this weekend to answer any questions currently unanswered... as well as to add some content to the thread. I realized it's become mainly a 'fix my diet' thread. So time to re-add the teaching component.
See y'all soon.
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04-03-2009, 10:26 PM #1115
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04-04-2009, 03:04 AM #1116
Hey Nark thanks for the response! Below are my answers to yout questions from post 1083 and 1084 :-)
As fast as possible... what is a realistic timeframe without steroids ?
What exactly do you mean, I don't understand "deloaded."
Nark my TDEE is 2500... I'll bring my daily intake down to from 3500 to 3000 range then... what do you think?
LOL ya it's hard to drink plain. I always try and blend it with other ingredients, or for PWO above mixing it with Whey is a nice combo.
I guess I was just trying to hit 100g a day. At 3500 calories my daily macros worked out to be 350 C 300 P and 106 F. Is 100g of fat per day too much??Last edited by J-Roc; 04-04-2009 at 03:07 AM.
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04-06-2009, 11:08 PM #1117
*BUMP* Waiting patiently Nark! LOL.
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04-07-2009, 11:09 PM #1118
Hey Nark, long time no see! A caveat.. I'm posting from my phone so please bear with my misspellings/brevity.
I've traditionally stuck to a low carb protocol while cutting and have given your method a shot for the last two weeks and have dropped 10lbs and gained strength/energy..go figure!
Anyway I'd like your opinion on a couple issues. First, what is your stance on NSAID pain relievers in regards to their impact on anabolism when used to treat muscle/joint soreness caused by heavy weight lifting and high impact cardio?
And another concern I have is about antacids like fomatidine/ omnerprozal. I suffer from cronic heartburn and it makes consuming the adequate ammount of meals/calories rather difficult. I've read that treatment with these antacid/PPI meds can negatively affect bone density and increase heart related complications among those who perform intense cardiovascular exercise? Any thoughts on this?
Nark you are THE authority on dieting... I can't believe I subscribed to the low carb aproach for so long... I'll be sending you an email soon.
Best Regards
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04-12-2009, 12:56 PM #1119
I train 6 days a week twice a day.
Im currently 23yrs 6'0 275lbs 19% bf = 223LBS OF LBM
i configured my numbers around my lbm
going for 400g of protien & 400g carbs (1.8g per lb) & 5,000 cals
... i would like to keep a high carb diet (aprox 400grams) & slightly lower it on off traing days. Off days i'm eliminating all complex carbs and just eat veggies. Throughout the week i do HIIT training for football so im am plannig on doing complex carbs when i wake up & 45 min before training & after i train along side of some simple carbs and the rest through veggies.. i plan on doing 7 to 8 meals a day..
also i was watching a nutrition video and he said that veggies mostly contribute to burning fat and does get used as carb or cant be stored.. it was something about the thermol effects of feeding.. is my knowledge about this correct, becase i shall be incorperating veggies in all off my meals if its true. can someone elaborate on this please
If this is an okay plan im going to go ahead and configure a eating regimend...
And thank again for all of the knowledge
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