Austinite's Amino Acids, Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs and more.

[austinite]

I'll reply later. Overwhelmed with stuff. Really don't feel like doing anything requiring focus, lol. My head has been spinning. Haven't had a chance to read the study. Very confident I can prove otherwise.

[basketballfan22]

Take your time my man.

[Dougiefresh7707]

Hey aus just about to start liquid CIA can I stop using my no cp3 pre workout now and shoul I still get the sups OTC for vascularity?

[austinite]

^ I dont know what cp3 is bro. Need a label.

[Dougiefresh7707]

^ I dont know what cp3 is bro. Need a label.

Sry no xp3 it's just a pre workout http://www.nutrishopredondobeach.com/NOXP3.html

[austinite]

^ should be fine. They don't breakdown the blend so I don't know how much of each they packed in their. Try it, if you get any stomach irritation (you probably will), then dont do it again . But that is overkill and there really won't be any benefit.

[Dougiefresh7707]

^ should be fine. They don't breakdown the blend so I don't know how much of each they packed in their. Try it, if you get any stomach irritation (you probably will), then dont do it again . But that is overkill and there really won't be any benefit.

I take it now every workout but original question was now that I take liquid CIA can I stop that as a pre workout and still use OTC supplement like the ones outlined in this thread for vascularity as week for pre workout ?

[austinite]

Oh sorry!! Yes, you can stop the preworkout! the OTC supps along with Cialis is MORE than plenty!

[Dougiefresh7707]

Oh sorry!! Yes, you can stop the preworkout! the OTC supps along with Cialis is MORE than plenty!

Lol no problem thanks again aus, feeling any better saw you post you were feeling off?

[austinite]

Yeah I got a little rest. Thanks buddy.

[Dougiefresh7707]

Yeah I got a little rest. Thanks buddy.

Good to hear.

[Java Man]

Why do you have so many periods in your post? I don't mean that in a rude manner; it is just kind of hard to understand your post.

Period is right next to spacebar on androids with swype. I'm not sure about other phones .but my fat fingers do the.period. thing all.the.time

[blummy]

Period is right next to spacebar on androids with swype. I'm not sure about other phones .but my fat fingers do the.period. thing all.the.time

I always hit B and V instead of space. SO ANNOYING!

[blummy]

Hey can anyone tell me the difference between mag citrate and oxide and there is also another one is it oxalate?. If its been discussed say so and I will try and find it, may have skipped over it. Also at my sup store he has a citrate/oxide blend. Is 80% oxcie 20% citrate? You want 100% citrate or is that not available?

[AnabolicDoc]

They're all basically different magnesium salts and have different amounts of elemental magnesium available.

[basketballfan22]

Hey can anyone tell me the difference between mag citrate and oxide and there is also another one is it oxalate?. If its been discussed say so and I will try and find it, may have skipped over it. Also at my sup store he has a citrate/oxide blend. Is 80% oxcie 20% citrate? You want 100% citrate or is that not available?

Austinite and I talked about it on page 3. From what I have read, magnesium orotate is the most absorbable. It is usually more expensive, and a lot of the brands you find have other vitamins and minerals with it. Austinite uses magnesium citrate.

[bringndaheat]

Austin ur fingers must be worn out from ths thread. Very solid for u to answer all these questions. U might have to shut this one down so u can start those specific protocols.

[blummy]

Austinite and I talked about it on page 3. From what I have read, magnesium orotate is the most absorbable. It is usually more expensive, and a lot of the brands you find have other vitamins and minerals with it. Austinite uses magnesium citrate.

Thanks for that!

[blummy]

They're all basically different magnesium salts and have different amounts of elemental magnesium available.

Thanks I'll look into the thread where basketball fan said and go from there.
Thanks for the quick response

[basketballfan22]

Hey austinite. Have you had the opportunity to check out that link AnabolicDoc posted about oral B12 being as effective as injectable B12?

[austinite]

Hey austinite. Have you had the opportunity to check out that link AnabolicDoc posted about oral B12 being as effective as injectable B12?

Well, in short, every study I've seen that's been done was to get deficient patients to acceptable levels. Mind you, the average blood test range is 200 to 1000pg/mL. So you see, it wouldn't take much to bring a deficient patient to normal levels. I'm not looking to be in that range. You'd have to take super-mega doses of orals to get close to the top range, and I doubt that you can. There is no argument about absorption, any study can tell us that. Oral is not absorbed nearly as well as IM administration. It absorbs enough to work and get you in range. Again, that's not good enough for me.

I don't want to have average levels, I want to be above average, way above average. There is benefit to high levels of B12 and a single injection can get me there and it can do it quickly. I take enough pills already. Furthermore; if you have the slightest digestive disorder (which you may or may not be aware of), orals would be a losing battle. B12 is also a water soluble vitamin, any food in your stomach will hinder absorption further.

Now... in most studies they talk about cost efficiency of oral B12 vs. injections. But what we seem to forget is that this scenario does not apply to you and me. Because we do not go to the doctors office for a B12 shot once a week. (which costs a fortune). We would be self injecting. A single shot a doctors office would cost me more than a 6 month supply of B12, including syringes, alcohol wipes and whatever else you need to inject.

If I wanted to accomplish the same (which I have doubts if it's even possible) with orals, I'd be spending far more. It's very important to dissect and understand studies, but it's also important to note the applications, purpose and relevance to our use. We don't get blood work often enough. So we can gamble with orals, or inject for a surefire way to maintain high levels.

Now, one of the reasons I haven't replied sooner is because I've been researching Intravenous injections of B12. I'm very interested in the possibility of intravenously administering a stack of Vitamins and Minerals. It's so much easier and injection frequency seems to be less than Intramuscular. It's a win win, I think. But I'm still researching IV injections and as soon as my Methyl B12 arrives I will be testing it Intravenously.

[basketballfan22]

Well, in short, every study I've seen that's been done was to get deficient patients to acceptable levels. Mind you, the average blood test range is 200 to 1000pg/mL. So you see, it wouldn't take much to bring a deficient patient to normal levels. I'm not looking to be in that range. You'd have to take super-mega doses of orals to get close to the top range, and I doubt that you can. There is no argument about absorption, any study can tell us that. Oral is not absorbed nearly as well as IM administration. It absorbs enough to work and get you in range. Again, that's not good enough for me.

I don't want to have average levels, I want to be above average, way above average. There is benefit to high levels of B12 and a single injection can get me there and it can do it quickly. I take enough pills already. Furthermore; if you have the slightest digestive disorder (which you may or may not be aware of), orals would be a losing battle. B12 is also a water soluble vitamin, any food in your stomach will hinder absorption further.

Now... in most studies they talk about cost efficiency of oral B12 vs. injections. But what we seem to forget is that this scenario does not apply to you and me. Because we do not go to the doctors office for a B12 shot once a week. (which costs a fortune). We would be self injecting. A single shot a doctors office would cost me more than a 6 month supply of B12, including syringes, alcohol wipes and whatever else you need to inject.

If I wanted to accomplish the same (which I have doubts if it's even possible) with orals, I'd be spending far more. It's very important to dissect and understand studies, but it's also important to note the applications, purpose and relevance to our use. We don't get blood work often enough. So we can gamble with orals, or inject for a surefire way to maintain high levels.

Now, one of the reasons I haven't replied sooner is because I've been researching Intravenous injections of B12. I'm very interested in the possibility of intravenously administering a stack of Vitamins and Minerals. It's so much easier and injection frequency seems to be less than Intramuscular. It's a win win, I think. But I'm still researching IV injections and as soon as my Methyl B12 arrives I will be testing it Intravenously.

Okay, I understand. Oral B12 is as effective as injectable B12 within normal levels; but to exceed normal levels, injectable B12 is needed. My concern about intravenous injections is the same as intramuscular injections. If one is to inject only once per week, would it not be better to inject subcutaneously that way the B12 will slowly enter your system instead of running the risk of absorbing too much too quickly and excreting it out? The few articles I read compared the three methods and recommended subcutaneous injections, specifically in the buttocks because it contains even more fat.

The mindset I currently have (please correct me if I am wrong) is that all three methods (intravenous, intramuscular, and subcutaneous) have the same (or extremely close to) level of absorbability and only differ in the time it takes to absorb the dose.

[austinite]

Okay, I understand. Oral B12 is as effective as injectable B12 within normal levels; but to exceed normal levels, injectable B12 is needed. My concern about intravenous injections is the same as intramuscular injections. If one is to inject only once per week, would it not be better to inject subcutaneously that way the B12 will slowly enter your system instead of running the risk of absorbing too much too quickly and excreting it out? The few articles I read compared the three methods and recommended subcutaneous injections, specifically in the buttocks because it contains even more fat.

The mindset I currently have (please correct me if I am wrong) is that all three methods (intravenous, intramuscular, and subcutaneous) have the same (or extremely close to) level of absorbability and only differ in the time it takes to absorb the dose.

Your first sentence is correct. Just as effective for normal-in-range levels.

B12 can be injected SubQ, but the absorption rate/speed is semi-negligible. It is oil-based compounds that are considerably slower. B12 is water. But like you said, the more fatty the area, the slower the absorption. But comparing oil and water into say... the buttocks, water is a clear winner as far as speed.

Excretion is different deal. Excretion is based on your B12 binding capacity. I'm not concerned with excretion because I know I am at max capacity. If you were to supplement with orals or whatever really, and you are concerned about excretion rate, you need to test your binding capacity and monitor your B12 levels and log your intake. Everyone is different in that area. If someone told me that I inject too much because I excrete most of it, I'd ask them for my blood work. There isn't a set percentage of excretion.

You can always supplement with Sialic Acid to increase binding capacity, but you really don't need to unless you're deficient. As for your last question re IM/SubQ absorbability, I would say yes, speed should be the only factor. I can't speak for IV yet.

[AnabolicDoc]

Well, in short, every study I've seen that's been done was to get deficient patients to acceptable levels. Mind you, the average blood test range is 200 to 1000pg/mL. So you see, it wouldn't take much to bring a deficient patient to normal levels. I'm not looking to be in that range. You'd have to take super-mega doses of orals to get close to the top range, and I doubt that you can. There is no argument about absorption, any study can tell us that. Oral is not absorbed nearly as well as IM administration. It absorbs enough to work and get you in range. Again, that's not good enough for me.

I don't want to have average levels, I want to be above average, way above average. There is benefit to high levels of B12 and a single injection can get me there and it can do it quickly. I take enough pills already. Furthermore; if you have the slightest digestive disorder (which you may or may not be aware of), orals would be a losing battle. B12 is also a water soluble vitamin, any food in your stomach will hinder absorption further.

Now... in most studies they talk about cost efficiency of oral B12 vs. injections. But what we seem to forget is that this scenario does not apply to you and me. Because we do not go to the doctors office for a B12 shot once a week. (which costs a fortune). We would be self injecting. A single shot a doctors office would cost me more than a 6 month supply of B12, including syringes, alcohol wipes and whatever else you need to inject.

If I wanted to accomplish the same (which I have doubts if it's even possible) with orals, I'd be spending far more. It's very important to dissect and understand studies, but it's also important to note the applications, purpose and relevance to our use. We don't get blood work often enough. So we can gamble with orals, or inject for a surefire way to maintain high levels.

Now, one of the reasons I haven't replied sooner is because I've been researching Intravenous injections of B12. I'm very interested in the possibility of intravenously administering a stack of Vitamins and Minerals. It's so much easier and injection frequency seems to be less than Intramuscular. It's a win win, I think. But I'm still researching IV injections and as soon as my Methyl B12 arrives I will be testing it Intravenously.

Wow, great post. I think you're entirely right. The article I posted was saying that similar therapeutic levels can be achieved via IM and oral ingestion, it does not say that this can be done at the same dose. In fact the protocol of IM administration of b12 to deficient individuals is:

-1000mg weekly for 4 weeks,
-then monthly until stable levels are achieved,
-or indefinitely if you have pernicious anemia

100% consistent with your point that oral doses are higher. Interestingly I've read that high oral doses of 1000mg daily can be used to effectively manage those with pernicious anemia. For those who don't know that is when you lack adequate levels of intrinsic factor, which is needed for B12 absorption. Not saying I believe it is recommended to treat ppl with pernicious anemia with oral B12, just that it's an option.

Regarding IV administration of Vitamins and Minerals, this is becoming an increasingly popular practice especially to treat ppl with debilitating illnesses such as cancer. It's also popularly for non-debilitating illnesses or even to healthy individuals. I have no experience or education on this however and I'm interested on learning about it.

[basketballfan22]

Your first sentence is correct. Just as effective for normal-in-range levels.

B12 can be injected SubQ, but the absorption rate/speed is semi-negligible. It is oil-based compounds that are considerably slower. B12 is water. But like you said, the more fatty the area, the slower the absorption. But comparing oil and water into say... the buttocks, water is a clear winner as far as speed.

Excretion is different deal. Excretion is based on your B12 binding capacity. I'm not concerned with excretion because I know I am at max capacity. If you were to supplement with orals or whatever really, and you are concerned about excretion rate, you need to test your binding capacity and monitor your B12 levels and log your intake. Everyone is different in that area. If someone told me that I inject too much because I excrete most of it, I'd ask them for my blood work. There isn't a set percentage of excretion.

You can always supplement with Sialic Acid to increase binding capacity, but you really don't need to unless you're deficient. As for your last question re IM/SubQ absorbability, I would say yes, speed should be the only factor. I can't speak for IV yet.

Awesome post. Thanks. Although I have yet to inject anywhere, I think intramuscular and subcutaneous injections will be easy. I am not as confident about the ease of intravenous injections though. I look forward to your updates.

[antonboi]

Hi I'm taking carnitine ( pill form ) they are 500 mg per pill , it says on the tub to only take one per day but do you think I should take more ? Great article btw

[austinite]

Hi I'm taking carnitine ( pill form ) they are 500 mg per pill , it says on the tub to only take one per day but do you think I should take more ? Great article btw

Yes, if you look at my protocol, I take 6,000mg per day. No problems. Try to get liquid form for better absorption.

[antonboi]

Wow I guess 1 pill a day is pathetic lol I only got a tub of 30 so as soon as these run out I'll go with liquid form thanks for the info it's really helpful

[Java Man]

I'll be damned (pretty sure that's handled already!) Austinite. B-5 and zinc cleared up my upper arm acne within a week. I split the difference in your light and heavy dosage lists by taking about 8g per day pantothenic acid and 35mg zinc. I was also rubbing with a topical brew made with 91% IPA and Witch Hazel. Dried me right up! I'm getting older and more stubborn. I've never been a big believer in natural remedies but you're changing that.

Thanks!

[austinite]

I'll be damned (pretty sure that's handled already!) Austinite. B-5 and zinc cleared up my upper arm acne within a week. I split the difference in your light and heavy dosage lists by taking about 8g per day pantothenic acid and 35mg zinc. I was also rubbing with a topical brew made with 91% IPA and Witch Hazel. Dried me right up! I'm getting older and more stubborn. I've never been a big believer in natural remedies but you're changing that.

Thanks!

Good job J. Man! Good to hear. Let the folks know in the acne thread. I'm sure they'd love to hear experiences. Really happy to hear this buddy.

[Java Man]

Good job J. Man! Good to hear. Let the folks know in the acne thread. I'm sure they'd love to hear experiences. Really happy to hear this buddy.

Oh yeah different thread huh? I'll post this there.

[ppwc1985]

Is it ok to take NAC and Liv52 at same time or is it overkill?

[austinite]

Is it ok to take NAC and Liv52 at same time or is it overkill?

Yes, but NAC is plenty.

[ppwc1985]

Yes, but NAC is plenty.

Ok thks

[chi]

just re started my b5 again @ gram this morning along with one pill of zinc. Going to slowly increase and see what happens!!

[InTransit]

Anyone know where to get the vitamin powders for cheap, this is a shitload of supps!

[austinite]

Anyone know where to get the vitamin powders for cheap, this is a shitload of supps!

A quick google and/or amazon search will yield a considerable amount of results.

[MajorPectorial]

China if ur buying bulk AND u find someone reliable. UK small amount I'd eb. Apart from that aust is the king of supps!!!

Aust. Since ur Supp list is so bastard long can u fund my Supp list!!! Haha ran out :$

Love this list. Gunna be my body bible haha!!!

Any progress on a super shake recipe? Like pre w/o and post w/o yet?
Love to design like a true multi vit if that were possible. The ultimate super Supp!!

[MajorPectorial]

Oh n I advise to put that l-citrullune straight on ur tongue n swish it round ur mouth without water its YUMMY!!! LOLOL

[austinite]

China if ur buying bulk AND u find someone reliable. UK small amount I'd eb. Apart from that aust is the king of supps!!!

Aust. Since ur Supp list is so bastard long can u fund my Supp list!!! Haha ran out :$

Love this list. Gunna be my body bible haha!!!

Any progress on a super shake recipe? Like pre w/o and post w/o yet?
Love to design like a true multi vit if that were possible. The ultimate super Supp!!

Yeah, just been busy with real life stuff. But I will get to it soon. Hopefully this week. Don't go crazy spending all your money, lol, my protocol is extreme and you don't need that much. Use wisely.

Oh n I advise to put that l-citrullune straight on ur tongue n swish it round ur mouth without water its YUMMY!!! LOLOL

lol, hardcore! sound gross! I don't know any facts but I'd probably research any effects of doing that on your teeth.