Austinite's Amino Acids, Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs and more.

**RaginCajun** · 05-15-2013, 09:04 AM

hey bud!

will be hopping on cycle within a week and wondering what supplements/vitamins you think are imperative when cycling.

DHEA? Preg? Vit D3?

i have only been taking multi-v for men, and vit C for the most part.

i also seem to get muscle spasms very easily. can't tell if it is from lack of potassium, taurine, or dehydration.

thanks bud in advance

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 09:13 AM

Hey RC!

You can throw away your multi-vitamin. Not enough of anything in there. Focus on B12, Vitamin C, D and E and NAC.

For your muscle spasms, start taking Magnesium Citrate. You may have to increase the standard dose to achieve results, but Magnesium is a key player with spasms. (This has nothing to do with Taurine intake).

Hope this helps!

**RaginCajun** · 05-15-2013, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Hey RC!

You can throw away your multi-vitamin. Not enough of anything in there. Focus on B12, Vitamin C, D and E and NAC.

For your muscle spasms, start taking Magnesium Citrate. You may have to increase the standard dose to achieve results, but Magnesium is a key player with spasms. (This has nothing to do with Taurine intake).

Hope this helps!

it sure does bud, thanks!

i have asthma, so was also wondering how i could put my body at more of an alkaline level before training, if possible.

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by 00ragincajun00

it sure does bud, thanks!

i have asthma, so was also wondering how i could put my body at more of an alkaline level before training, if possible.

cod liver oil

**RaginCajun** · 05-15-2013, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

cod liver oil

plug it or snort it?

haha, thanks!

**3day** · 05-15-2013, 02:02 PM

I know this is a little off topic but do not deal with bulksupplements.com. I've had to file a dispute thru Paypal to get my money back.They won't send me my supps or even return my emails. Austinite you got any recommendations on good online stores to get bulk pure powder form supplements?

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 02:41 PM

Welcome to Beyond A Century - Performance Nutritional Supplments since 1983!

**3day** · 05-15-2013, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Welcome to Beyond A Century - Performance Nutritional Supplments since 1983!

Thanks. I've got everything in my cart except the L-Arginine.Should i go with Arginie Base or Arginine Pyroglutamate ? Thanks again

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 03:46 PM

^ base or AKG

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 04:25 PM

NOW L-Citruilline or PrimaFORCE Citrulline Malate (2000 milligrams). Is there a difference between the two? I know you said Malate but you have been writing that NOW makes great products. Just wondering if the malate is something I need to complete that pre-workout you recommended.

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 04:27 PM

Malate is absorbed better. That doesn't mean NOW products are of poor quality. Both are great, Malate is a superior version, doesn't matter who makes it.

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 04:32 PM

So am I better off getting the PrimaFORCE? I wanna do this right the first time. I'll get whichever you think i'm better off with. Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by ineedauser

So am I better off getting the PrimaFORCE? I wanna do this right the first time. I'll get whichever you think i'm better off with. Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.

I don't know. You need to show me or link me to labels. I don't have all products in my head

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 04:41 PM

Amazon.com: NOW Foods L - Citrulline 750mg, 90 Capsules: Health & Personal Care

Amazon.com: PRIMAFORCE Citrulline Malate 200 Grams: Health & Personal Care

Sorry about that

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 04:41 PM

^ no labels? Where?

Label = Supplement Facts & Ingredients.

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 04:49 PM

Ugh... im sorry!

http://www.bestpricenutrition.com/pr...200-grams.html

Have to copy and paste that

Now® L-Citrulline - NOW NUTRITION - GNC

I really hope this is what you're looking for. hahahaha

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 04:53 PM

Go with Prima.

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 04:56 PM

I'm pumped to get this little supplement deal together. Any other goodies from your awesome OP that would work in great synergy with what you already have up?

Also, for the post-workout drink. Do you NOT include protein? But just the L-Cysteine and Vitamin C? How much time between the drink, protein, or whatever and your next meal?

**cj111** · 05-15-2013, 04:58 PM

Beta Alanine

Beta-Alanine is a non-essential amino acid found naturally in both foods such as chicken, beef, pork, fish and it naturally occurs in the body. When taken orally, it provides the types of effects that excite scientists and make bodybuilders and other athlete's salivate. In reality, it makes anyone who takes there training seriously start to drool

When beta-alanine enters the muscle cell, it becomes what we call the "rate limiting substrate" to carnosine synthesis. By rate limiting, we mean that without beta-alanine, carnosine does not get produced

Carnosine was discovered in Russia in 1900, but it wasn’t until over 50 years later that the first research on carnosine and its effects on muscle buffering where published. Recently (2003) researchers have been studying Beta-Alanine examining its effects on exercise performance and lean muscle mass. Carnosine on the other hand helps stabilize muscular pH by soaking up hydrogen ions (H+) that are released at an accelerated rate during exercise. Our bodies work to keep our pH in balance by utilizing various buffering systems. Buffers largely work by soaking up H+ to maintain optimal pH balance, which we need to function most effectively. As mentioned above, our muscles function best in a specific pH range. When pH drops below that range, so does muscular performance. By helping to keep us in a more optimal pH range, our muscles can continue to contract forcibly for a longer time.

What does Beta-Alanine do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?

Much of Beta-Alanine’s effects come through boosting the synthesis of an intramuscular dipeptide (two amino acids) called carnosine. Carnosine is made up of two amino acids, beta-alanine and histidine, and is a powerful intracellular buffer. Carnosine is found in both type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers, though significantly in higher concentrations in type 2 fibers (the fibers we primarily use in high intensity strength workouts and which are most responsive to growth). To function effectively, muscle cells rely on buffers like carnosine to avoid becoming acidic (low pH) during exercise. If you want your muscles to remain strong and maintain powerful contractions, they need to be in an optimal pH range. If they don’t and the pH drops below that optimal level, you have significantly less strength and fatigue more quickly.

You know this is happening when you feel that familiar burn in your muscles or even when you’re lifting heavy and reach muscular failure. Muscle pH has dropped and it’s largely a result of an increase in hydrogen ions (H+) which build up when you break down the high energy compound ATP during exercise. Wouldn’t it be nice to knock out a few more reps? If you had more carnosine in your muscles, you would. Without it, your energy and endurance decline rapidly and your strength suffers. The breakdown of ATP and the subsequent rise in H+ concentrations occurs in our all of our energy systems but is most prevalent in an energy system called glycolysis which also produces lactic acid. Lactic acid releases H+ ions, contributing further to the pool of H+ that’s filling your muscles from the breakdown of ATP. With the presence of H+ pH drops fast as does muscular performance.

Beta-Alanine efficacy is backed by major university, peer-reviewed studies performed on humans and not animals which other products typically base there claims on. The science behind Beta-Alanine is simple, it makes sense and it works.

While Beta-Alanine is largely responsible for the majority of the performance benefits, there are a few other ingredients that may enhance Beta-Alanine, or be enhanced by Beta-Alanine as well as boost a power antioxidant called glutathione that recent research shows may fight cellular fatigue. Some of these supportive ingredients act as direct precursors to the powerful antioxidant, glutathione and some work to support optimal carnosine levels.

N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC): increases glutathione levels inside the cell which is a power antioxidant that fights cellular fatigue. Interestingly Beta-Alanine has now been shown to increase the synthesis of glutathione by increasing the availability of its precursor cysteine. Beta-Alanine and NAC work perfectly together.

Vitamin E: Vitamin E has been shown to increase carnosine levels more than carnosine alone. Carnosine has been shown to increases Vitamin E antioxidant ability. These two operate hand in hand.

Alpha-Lipoic-Acid: Finalizing this HIGHLY synergistic formula, alpha-lipoic-acid is utilized as a highly versatile antioxidant that boosts other antioxidants like Vitamin E and Glutathione.

Who needs Beta-Alanine and how much should be taken? Are there any side effects or symptoms of deficiency?

You can conclude from the facts given that beta alanine might be one of the most versatile amino acid supplement discovered — whether you're an endurance athlete, bodybuilder, powerlifter, or just someone who wants to get bigger, stronger or leaner.

Remember, it's a simple pathway for success: H+ increases with all types of activity, shutting off muscle contraction.

With beta-alanine we can absorb it, and can literally become "better" at every one of those activities. We can be stronger, we can run faster, we can run longer. We can lift heavier weights for more reps, we can be bigger and leaner. I think the greatest attribute of beta-alanine is that it will benefit all types of athletes — not just bodybuilders and fitness competitors.

Beta-Alanine benefits typically occur in as little as two weeks, although some individuals will notice benefits within one week. As carnosine levels increase, the benefits will follow. The most dramatic results are generally experienced within the 3-4 week range but they don’t stop there. Recent research is now showing carnosine levels continue to increase for a minimum of 12 weeks which is why we recommend staying on Beta-Alanine for at least three months to optimize your carnosine levels. A practical dose of Beta-Alanine should not exceed 10mg/kg per dose which is about 800mg for a guy.

Immediate benefits: Many users experience intense vasodilatation/pumps from the very first dose of Beta-Alanine. Because Beta-Alanine increases carnosine and carnosine is a powerful precursor in generating nitric oxide synthase (a group of enzymes necessary for making the powerful vasodilator nitric oxide), this is an added, immediate benefit of Beta-Alanine.

Dose:
Suggested Dose is between 3-6g a day.

Side Effects

As far as any side effects or symptoms of deficiency some people may notice a tingling sensation on the skin in the first few weeks directly after ingestion that lasts about an hour. Eventually this subsides after a few weeks of supplementation. It is caused by how Beta Alanine binds to nerve receptors. It is not felt by everyone, so it is not a sign of it working or not.

Just figured I would add this, have been supplementing it for 2+ weeks now and I love the stuff.

I obviously didn't type that out, I am not that smart

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 04:59 PM

I also don't see micronized l-arginine anywhere. At Vitamin Shoppe, Amazon, anywhere!

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by ineedauser

I also don't see micronized l-arginine anywhere. At Vitamin Shoppe, Amazon, anywhere!

GNC has it. Rapid Drive Arginine 5000

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by cj111

Beta Alanine

I obviously didn't type that out, I am not that smart

Thanks cj, a link would have sufficed

- I'd like to keep this thread about the things that I use, not everything else... easier for me to manage

**basketballfan22** · 05-15-2013, 05:12 PM

GNC along with a few other companies make micronized glutamine too.

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 05:15 PM

Dana Linn Bailey! woooooooooooooo

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 05:17 PM

You don't agree? Beta-Alanine not good for the pre workout?

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 05:18 PM

I try not to repeat myself. This thread is worth reading thoroughly

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 05:19 PM

noted. thanks! Found the post... :-) hahaha Appreciate it!

**cj111** · 05-15-2013, 07:34 PM

My bad, wasn't sure the best route to post that in here :P Seemed worthy to be up in here!

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 07:36 PM

All good man. Def. a great topic!

**ineedauser** · 05-15-2013, 07:44 PM

GNC Pro Performance® RapidDrive Arginine 5000 - GNC PRO PERFORMANCE - GNC

That's the argigine? Excuse my ignorance, but the supplement facts do not show arginine at all? Other arginine products have them in this facts, but this doesn't. Just curious about the product is all.

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by ineedauser

GNC Pro Performance® RapidDrive Arginine 5000 - GNC PRO PERFORMANCE - GNC

That's the argigine? Excuse my ignorance, but the supplement facts do not show arginine at all? Other arginine products have them in this facts, but this doesn't. Just curious about the product is all.

GNC Pro Performance RapidDrive Arginine 5000, Tablets | drugstore.com

looks like GNC is not carrying it anymore.

**basketballfan22** · 05-16-2013, 12:09 AM

Deleted question.

**ineedauser** · 05-16-2013, 05:55 PM

There we go!! The micronized arginine and cit malate are on the way! Wooooo

**austinite** · 05-16-2013, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by ineedauser

There we go!! The micronized arginine and cit malate are on the way! Wooooo

Nice! I can't wait for your feedback brother! Stay pumped!

**ineedauser** · 05-16-2013, 06:28 PM

I have some regular arginine and I get the Cit Malate tomorrow. Gonna use the arginine in he meantime. Only two workouts worth

**austinite** · 05-16-2013, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by ineedauser

I have some regular arginine and I get the Cit Malate tomorrow. Gonna use the arginine in he meantime. Only two workouts worth

I'm proud of you for waiting to get the right product. I know you almost settled for less... good work!

**gbrice75** · 05-16-2013, 06:41 PM

Sub'd Aus. Long time overdue. I need to read this in its entirety!

**ineedauser** · 05-16-2013, 08:56 PM

Can I still take my potassium pill before bed?

I should also mention that this will all be in addition to my S4/OSTA/Liquid Clen 6 week cycle (Clen is 2 on, 2 off though)

**austinite** · 05-16-2013, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by ineedauser

Can I still take my potassium pill before bed?

I should also mention that this will all be in addition to my S4/OSTA/Liquid Clen 6 week cycle (Clen is 2 on, 2 off though)

Why are you taking potassium?

**basketballfan22** · 05-16-2013, 10:50 PM

I am reading more about methylcobalamin and looking at injectable forms. From what I gather, methylcobalamin has a higher bioavailability than cyanocobalamin. Do you think doses should differ between the two? Also I read that one should inject subcutaneously (preferably in the buttocks) because it allows for a slow release; while intramuscular injections are absorbed very quickly, and any excess B-12 is eliminated through the urine within an hour of injection. Have your read anything on that?