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01-12-2013, 08:35 AM #4764Junior Member
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Ron,
Since i continued through the 2nd cycle should i just deload for 2 weeks dropping the test and protein to TRT and reload again with my bulking cycle or should i just stop and PCT and prime to start all over again.
Also Ron i was currently take Arimidex 1mg EOD and i just added it to every other day. It seems the high test kept making my nipple hurt. Is there anything additional i have to take?
I really appreciate your help!
MisterD
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01-12-2013, 08:36 AM #4765Junior Member
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Sorry added Arimidex to Every Day
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01-12-2013, 09:00 AM #4769Junior Member
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Ron,
The Arimidex im getting from a local Pharmacy so its good however yesterday i started it on everyday. If i still continue with the nipple issue is there anything else i should add or should i just raise the dose.
Thanks
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01-12-2013, 09:06 AM #4771Junior Member
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Originally Posted by fineBody
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01-13-2013, 08:25 AM #4772New Member
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" Quote Originally Posted by dally_de View Post
wow ron, awesome thread... It is 4 consecutive days that i am reading this thread ,but i have decided to write not because i do not fully understand all the terms in here and it could be just more ideal if i just ask your advice ...
I am 30 year old man ,loving this sport and practicing it for almost 12 years ( do not ask me for diet and protein intake and all that ) ) i am 1.83cm tall and 92kg, bf probably around 15-20% ..in the past 3 years i was on/off gym because of work and now from about 2months i am back on and planning to stay..in all this time i did 3 cycles of sustanon 250 for 8 weeks each with decent gains . I want to start another 20week cycle but my problem now is that i have tooooo much information from here that i can't decide what would be best to proceed ...i would like that first reload to be a bulk cycle and in the second to include a cutting product as well (not sure how to proceed with the cutting/lean mass cycle
i am thinking at this :
Reload: Test e 500mg /week - week 1-8
deca 400mg /week - week 1-8/ or eq 200mg? i would just run a gram of test weekly and forget the deca and eq!
deload: Test e 250mg/week week 9-10
reload: Test e 750mg/week w11-18
masteron 200mg/week 11-18 ???? (for cutting ) ?? i would add anavar with this combo at 40 mgs per day for better ersults. Increase masterone to 400 mgs weekly if you want to hold less water!
pct : Pct: Weeks 20-21
hcg at 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks make it 3 weeks!
clomid at 50 mgs once per day for 4 weeks optional
nolva 20 mgs per day for 4 week keep
thank you ron ... "
thank you Ron for reply...
I am kinda worry to go at this time to 1g of test e so i was thinking:
week 1-8 test e 500mg
week 9-10 test e 250mg
1 :week 11-18 test e 750mg
anavar 40mg/day
shoul i include here masteron 400mg/week or it is mandatorry??
or :
2: week 11-18 test E 500mg/week
tren E 200mg/week
witch one would you think that it would be a better choice for second reload ?
should i use 10mg of nolva ed durring the cycle ( arimidex i can't find over here)??
hcg could not find only in 5000u.i ...can i inject half and keep it in the fridge ???
thank you allot...Last edited by dally_de; 01-13-2013 at 01:55 PM.
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01-13-2013, 08:27 AM #4773Originally Posted by daniel20
hi ronnie, what would you recommend for a 2nd 20 week blast?
I can get any compounds. (definitely want to stay away from deca though!)
was thinking this however:
Week 1-8 test e 750mg add 250 mgs of tren -e weekly
week 9-10 test e 250mg
week 11-18 test e 1g add 250 mgs of tren-e weekly and 25-50 mgs of d-bol daily
week 19-20 test e 250mg
week 21-23 hcg 2500iu eod looks good
i weight 205lb at ~8% bf and for my next blast i will be consuming around 400g protein, 250g carb and 70g fat. Is there anything you would change? Up the carbs? i would increase carbs to 350 daily and reduce protein to only 350 daily. i read you believe most only need 250-350g carbs a day.
Am i correct to start a 20 week blast 10 weeks post last cycle? (including pct). that will be fine. 6 weeks would have been even better if you are looking to make and keep maximal size gains.
also my source has test e 600mg/ml! What are your thoughts on this?? Would save large volume injections! too painful post injection for many due to potency but you may do okay. I would ony buy one bottle for now and give it a try. Get his normal blend to use first cycle and if the higher blend does not cause a negative reaction you can order it for use before starting your next reload. I normally recommned normal dosed gear.
also what are your thoughts on 1-test cypionate ? very good!
thanks again.
above.
What if I layed it out like this due to the added tren e:
Week 1-8 test e 500mg and 250 mgs of tren-e weekly
week 9-10 test e 250mg
week 11-18 test e 750mg and 375 mgs of tren-e weekly and 50 mgs of d-bol daily
week 19-20 test e 250mg
Do you recommend running caber with the tren e straight away at the start of cycle or just keep it on hand with aromasin ?
Am thinking also I'll run HCG 250iu 2x week throughout this 20 week blast.
Also I've seen on another forum a pct protocol like this:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Aromasin 12.5EOD/12.5EOD/6.25EOD/6.25EOD
This would also be ran after blasting 500iu of HCG last week before commencing PCT.
What do you think of this plan?
Thanks again.Last edited by daniel20; 01-14-2013 at 11:26 PM.
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01-14-2013, 08:22 AM #4774Junior Member
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Ron,
I started my deload as you recommended.
My last shot was last Friday, when you start the deload and start the cruise which im going to do 100mg of Cipoinate for 2 weeks, when do recommend to take the shot? In the beginning, middle or end of the week?
Also my pain on my nipple has reduced alot and slowly going away. Im taking 1mg of Arimidex daily, in the 2 weeks of the deload do i cut it down to EOD. I read alot of people talking about E2 crashes and i dont believe its every happen to me however what can you tell me to look out for?
Ive also looked into on my next reload to change over to Aromasin which is better on the lipids, what do you recommend to your clients?
Again thanks for all your help
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01-14-2013, 08:24 AM #4775Junior Member
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Daniel20
Hey im looking into using Aromasin any good sources on the internet. I went to my local Pharmacy and they wanted 100 bucks for like 10 pills, crazy!!!
Thanks
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01-14-2013, 08:37 AM #4776Originally Posted by MisterD
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01-14-2013, 03:01 PM #4777Junior Member
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Your right... Since is was only AI thought it would be ok.
Sorry about that
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Hi Ron thanks for the reply
Let me get this right only 125mg of test E a week given most ampules for test are rated at 250mg per ml? Surely thats going to produce such little gains it wouldn't be worth even cycling? Forgive me if I'm wrong but the average male produces 70-80mg a week of test naurally anyway dont they?
Also when using Anavar as you've suggested I've always been taught and researched to keep all other anabolics in your system under your test baseline. In this case would not using 50-60mg of Anavar ed not go against what everyone preaches?
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01-16-2013, 11:18 PM #4781
Ronnie, first off THANKS DUDE! Awesome awesome post, I am very excited to start the slingshot training method. I am currently in deload until feb 1st then start the reload. On a reload 12 intense sets, but how many reps do you suggest? And on a deload 6 sets of how many reps? Thank you bro, it's very much appreciated.
Unfortunately I have been training like an animal these last two years with little gains. Mostly drop sets, super sets, high reps etc. stoked to try something new and grooooooow. By listening to what you said seems like I have been way over training.
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01-17-2013, 01:45 PM #4782Junior Member
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does arimidex /aromosin, reduce the same percentage of estrogen from test if using 500mg, or 1000,or 2000, ...eg ...if it reduces 46 percent of estrogen from 500 mg test, will it still reduce 46 percent off 2000mg of test ?
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I’m 41, 5’9” 222 lbs, 11% BF, and have done about 7 cycles using varies compounds (Test, tren , deca , winny, anavar , dbol ) with varies cycles. I’m looking to do more of a hardening cycle and I’m not looking for massive gains, oh I’m on a prescribed HRT.
Cycle:
Reload: Test E 500mg/wk 1-8 wk
Tren E 500mg/wk 1-8 wk
Var 40mg/ED 1-8 wk
Deload: Test E 250mg/wk 9-10
Reload: Test E 750mg/wk 11-18 wk
Mast E 400mg/wk 11-18 wk
Winny 50mg/ED 13-18 wk
PCT not needed (HRT for life)
Thank you in advance,
RanaLast edited by RANA; 01-18-2013 at 08:13 AM.
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ROn, !!
This hammer strength decline routine to fix my shoulder repetitive strain is the effing bomb, the weight keeps going up and i don't even feel shoulder pain any more or only for a fraction of a second, not every day all day like before talking to you. And my chest is getting fuller too.. wtf. THANK YOU SO MUCH
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[QUOTE=MisterD;6336077]Sorry added Arimidex to Every Day[/QUOTE]Let me know if that's working for you. The next thing would to be add 300 mgs of masteron weekly. If that does not work you may need letro to get it under control. It's not uncommon for some to need letro daily for 2-3 weeks then be able to go back to a weaker anti-es once the nipple pain has been controlled.
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01-21-2013, 01:35 AM #4790
Hi Ronnie.
I have read your threads about slingshot training and I am really interested in trying these principles during my next offseason. On 13.4.2013 I have national competition here and next year will be last junior year for me so I want to qualify for Europe or World championship 2014. Hopefully slingshot training will help me to achieve this. But I have few questions I have to ask, because I do not fully understand some principnes.
Starting with the training. Last year I have been training 3+1 so 3 days training with 1 day rest. During two of these three day "training units" I trainer full body, but chest, delts and back has been trained twice, arms and legs once. This is because I have very good genetics for arms and legs, but lacking chest and back and this principle brought results for me, so may I use similar principle for slingshot?
For example: legs, chest+back, delts, free day, chest+back, delts, arms, free day, repeat.
During 8 week RELOAD phase I would train 2 heavy exercise with 4 working sets (6-8 reps.) and one lighter exercise (10-15 reps.) for each muscle group. Afterwards during DELOAD phase the split remains the same, but I would reduce training volume to two exercise with 3 sets each, one heavy one lighter for each muscle group. How does this sound so far?
Ok lets move on... supplementation and AS:
Talking about supplements I am using whey protein (with added maltodextrin after training), glutamine and BCAAs all year long. Vitamines and minerals are added if needed.
AS:
last year I did according to principle heavy cycle and bridging. Example is here: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...es-in-between) I think you have seen this before.
I would like to edit this to match slingshot principles. But the main question I have here is: If I will be using for example Test E with Boldenone (Equipoise ) or trenbolone hexa, which all are long esters.. How do I reduce the AS use during the DELOAD phase?
For example I will be using 1g Test E/week (this will be base) with 500mg EQ/week for 8 weeks as RELOAD phase. Than the DELOAD come, so I should reduce AS use for example to 500mg test E/week only... But will this have ANY effect at all? Speaking of long esters, so the levels will hardly drop during those 2 DELOAD weeks. Or am I getting something wrong?
Or, to get full shocking effect for the body for the next RELOAD I will bring test back UP to 1g/week and replace second ester for example with tren hexa? Or Deca ? Would it be any better comparing to continue as previous reload with 1g Test E/week with 500mg EQ/week for another 8 weeks?
I totally understand how this works with short esters or orals for example 1g test E as base with TREN ace or something during reload and drop to 500mg test E for deload, so the short esters will be cleared from body in 2-3 days and the true nature of deload will be accomplished. But the long esters confuse me.
And last question.. Would it be a good idea to run test E for 1g/week during reload and 500 or 400mg/week during deload all year long? Or would it be better approach to run for example like this:
1st reload:
1g/week test E
500mg/week EQ
1st deload
400mg/week test E
2nd reload
test E back to 1g/week
500mg/week Tren ace
2nd deload
50mg test prop/EOD
3rd reload
100mg test prop/EOD
winstrol or drostanolone or primobolan or something milder
3rd deload
50mg test prop/EOD
4th reload
1g/week test E again or greater doses again
My basic idea in this principle would be to let the body rest a bit for one reload/deload round from strong anabolics. And repeat this for example like I wrote 2 heavy reload/deload cycles following one milder. What do you think about this. Thanks a lot for your opinion.Last edited by briansvk; 01-21-2013 at 03:05 AM.
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O[QUOTE=Jay-1000;6341587]Hi Ron thanks for the reply
Let me get this right only 125mg of test E a week given most ampules for test are rated at 250mg per ml? Surely thats going to produce such little gains it wouldn't be worth even cycling? Forgive me if I'm wrong but the average male produces 70-80mg a week of test naurally anyway dont they? True! You need to be using a minimum of 500 mgs of some form of test weekly to make good gains in lean muscle whe using anavar. I have to take 200 mgs of test cypionate weekly just to keep me at TRT levels.
Also when using Anavar as you've suggested I've always been taught and researched to keep all other anabolics in your system under your test baseline. In this case would not using 50-60mg of Anavar ed not go against what everyone preaches? I agree that more test should be ran than anavar in most cases but, some find they do better using only TRT doses of test and high doses of other drugs such as tren. Some cannot handle the side effects of tren when moderate to high dosages of test are combined but do just fine when only TRT doses of test are used with their tren. There's no absolutes![/QUOTE]AboveLast edited by Ronnie Rowland; 01-22-2013 at 06:43 AM.
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[QUOTE=tdoe11;6344154]Ronnie, first off THANKS DUDE! Awesome awesome post, I am very excited to start the slingshot training method. I am currently in deload until feb 1st then start the reload. On a reload 12 intense sets, but how many reps do you suggest? I prefer 8-12 reps for reloads and 12-15 reps for deloads. willput mass And on a deload 6 sets of how many reps? Thank you bro, it's very much appreciated. ]
Unfortunately I have been training like an animal these last two years with little gains. Mostly drop sets, super sets, high reps etc. stoked to try something new and grooooooow. By listening to what you said seems like I have been way over training. My suggestion to you is don't follow most of the routines and training methods written in Muscle Magazines, etc. Many articles are written by ghost writers. If they wrote about straight sets every month some people would get bored reading about it and sales would decline. They make up all sorts of training methods to reinvent themselves monthly. It's all about making money. For example, I read were Kai Greene claimed to do 25 sets for 25 reps when training his quads with compound exercises. I don't think so! /QUOTE]above
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01-22-2013, 11:00 AM #4793New Member
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Ron, sorry if you covered this before but I cant find it. If I'm staying on year round do I need hcg ? I'm 50 did my first cycle at 48,never used hcg. I'm on my second deload now and plan on going up to at least a gram of test e and 600mg of deca on my next reload. Also you stated that ai use should be limited but others on this forum said that ai use is a must. I know when I take adex my joints ache from it.Thanks for your information and knowledge, greatly appreciated.
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01-22-2013, 11:01 AM #4794
Ron,
My next show is going to be on Sunday, 10th of March (7 weeks to go). I'm in the middle of slingshot contest prep cycle using Sustanon , Tren , Winstrol , Proviron , Clen and T3.
You said that it's best to stop sustanon 4 weeks out due to the decanoate ester it contains.
I take 750mg of sustanon per week. The schedule is on Sunday morning, Tuesday night, Friday morning, then back to Sunday morning again for the next week...
What would be the best day to stop the sustanon? on Sunday morning at 4 weeks exact point before the show day? or on Friday (4 weeks + 2 days before show day)?
FYI, I'm not switching to test prop for this time because on last show I switched from sustanon to prop for the last 4 weeks and my body was still holding water. That's why I'm just gonna stop the sustanon at this time and double dose the tren, winstrol and proviron for the last 4 weeks when I take out the sustanon.
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01-25-2013, 01:03 AM #4795New Member
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Need advice division one college football player trying to do whatever I can to get an advantage on my opponents. I recently purchased anadrol 50 and was wondering whether or not it's right for me. I'm 6 feet 231 pounds. Squat 500 plus deep bench 300 plus. I'm looking to look bigger but also trim some body fat at the same time, I was just wondering is this what's right for me or should I be looking elsewhere?
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01-25-2013, 06:48 AM #4796Banned
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Tren?
Ron...will as little as say 250 mgs...tren ..cause asthma to worsen....asthmatics??
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A lot of people are damaging their rotator cuffs doing flat bench and inclines. Declines are the way to go for building overall chest size. Another favorite is cable chest presses on a life fitness machine because you can bring the hands together and make the pecs fully contract. I cringe when I see people doing deep incline presses with their elbows flared out to the sides!
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Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.
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