You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Very good post Ronnie really shed light on common issues that occur when one thinks that constant change in routine is a good thing but then wonder why gains are slow, Thank you

The muscle confusion myth was adopted as a way to increase the sales of bodybuilding magazines and books! Ronnie Coleman practically used the same routine year round and he was arguably the biggest bodybuilder to walk our planet.

[OnTheSauce]

You prefer dbol or anadrol ? I bloat more with anadrol but didn't experience sides. I did 50 of each for 3 weeks last year and that worked well.

[Dadstrength]

Hey Ronnie, I have one more question. I'm reading through these posts so I don't have to ask repeat questions. Maybe I missed this one but I see you recommend a light day and heavy day when training a body part twice a week. I'm assuming you mean light ( low volume - high reps) and heavy ( high volume low reps i.e. 8-10). My question is do you recommend this for your 8 week beginner routine as well? So I would do workout 1 on Monday and friday, for instance, with one light day then heavy the next? And do the same for workout 2?

Maybe you missed this one. Could you point me in the right direction Ronnie? Thanks man.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, I think you missed my HGH questions 5052 and 5053.

OH! And just got my Jins today too!!

[lla23]

Thanks Ronnie,

here's what i have summarize for my first cycle.

Do a Pre & Post Blood Work (Full Liver Panel, Lipids, Blood Hematocrit, Kidney, Estrogen Level, Prostate-Psa & Hormone levels - Test & Estrogen)

20 weeks Cycle

Test-E (250mg or 500mg) - Should i start at a smaller dosage first?
8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload (do u mean the cycle or training program?)
8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload then PCT (My apology, i dun under this part here on the reload & deload?)

Proviron for 20 weeks - (Would that be 50 mgs daily??)

PCT - Nolvadex for 4 weeks (How much mgs daily??)

I have the Gut Health area covered on the Zinc, Probiotics and L-Glutamine.

Did i missed out any other details??

[Yellow]

Ron,

When using Masteron Prop, I find 200-300mg per week is the minimum dosage to get the benefits of it..
How about the Masteron Enanthate ? Since it contains longer ester and has less active masteron.. What is the minimum dosage per week to feel the benefits of it? Maybe 300-400mg per week?

[Yellow]

Ron,
After having done several competitions (last year & this year), my cholesterol level is whacked out (high total cholesterol, low HDL, high LDL) due to being on test, tren , winny, masteron , proviron , femara, clen , ephedrine, etc. for so long time...
But my urine panels and blood panels are good (liver, kidney, hematocrite, etc.)

Therefore this time, I am planning on just maintaining my leanness, my musclemass & bodyweight using 500-600mg Testosterone per week as the base..
What do you think another safest compound (cholesterol wise) to accompany & magnify the test?
Option :
1. 50mg Proviron daily (350mg per week) + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
2. (200-300mg Masteron Prop or 300-400mg Masteron Enanthate per week) + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
3. 25mg Anavar per day + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
4. 25mg Winny per day + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.

I don't wanna use another 19-Nor compound like deca , anadrol due to the bloat and wetness...

FYI, my diet is always clean (low carb, high protein, moderate amount of fats from flaxseed, fish oil, almonds, extra virgin olive oil).
I do 1-2 refeed days per week (600-800 grams of carbs per day)...

Many Thanks, Ron...

[Ronnie Rowland]

I was wondering about this too. I was going to do 4 i.u.'s on deload and 6-7 i.u.'s on reload. I train at 7:00 pm till 8:30/9:00. I'm usually in bed by 10:30. Should I drop carbs (1/2 cup cooked oat meal - 1/2 cup skim milk) out of my PW protein shake?

Also, how would that effect carb cycling or re carb days?

Also, I've heard you should be taking T4 with HGH or your wasting the HGH. What do you think about that? I'm taking T3 75 mcg before bed now.

Also, with the relative low cost of insulin and IGF compared to the HGH, it's VERY tempting to me to give the other 2 a try along with it.

It also occurred to me that with the strict diet restrictions with the implementation of all three, (no fats after the insulin twice a day, no carbs 3 hours prior or after the HGH etc.) it's no wonder people get good results. Getting bigger with the mass consumption of carbs and protein post insulin, extreme fat loss from dropping carbs at night. Sounds like good nutrient partitioning...

1) Drop carbs out of late post workout shake. 2) you are not wasting your money taking GH without using t-4 in conjunction. I would not recommend using more than 50 t-3 daily. Too much can cause muscle loss and get your natural heart beat out of its natural rythym. 3) your overall plan with the insulin,Igf,carb,and fat timing is great! But you better know what your doing before using insulin. It can cause your organs to age faster than normal and diabetic coma. IMO don't use it but if you do then keep Gatorade on hand at all times and never then go to sleep to be on the safe side.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,
After having done several competitions (last year & this year), my cholesterol level is whacked out (high total cholesterol, low HDL, high LDL) due to being on test, tren , winny, masteron , proviron , femara, clen , ephedrine, etc. for so long time...
But my urine panels and blood panels are good (liver, kidney, hematocrite, etc.)

Therefore this time, I am planning on just maintaining my leanness, my musclemass & bodyweight using 500-600mg Testosterone per week as the base..
What do you think another safest compound (cholesterol wise) to accompany & magnify the test?
Option :
1. 50mg Proviron daily (350mg per week) + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
2. (200-300mg Masteron Prop or 300-400mg Masteron Enanthate per week) + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
3. 25mg Anavar per day + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.
4. 25mg Winny per day + 500-600mg Testosterone per week.

I don't wanna use another 19-Nor compound like deca , anadrol due to the bloat and wetness...

FYI, my diet is always clean (low carb, high protein, moderate amount of fats from flaxseed, fish oil, almonds, extra virgin olive oil).
I do 1-2 refeed days per week (600-800 grams of carbs per day)...

Many Thanks, Ron...

Go with test and mast unless you have prostate issues. You are making a wise move! The high cholesterol will eventually clog up your arteries.

[mockery]

Hello ROn, odd question for you today.

How much test alone would i need to run on a 2nd reload off of the first 8 week reload of 700mg mast , 350mg tren and 350mg test a week? only can get test right now for the final 8 week reload and 2 week deload

thanks in advance mate!

[Yellow]

Go with test and proviron. You are making a wise move! The high cholesterol will eventually clog up your arteries.

Yeah Ron.. Right.. I do realize that High Cholesterol & LDL level isn't healthy at all and will eventually clog up my arteries...
However, I do take many cycle support supps (NAC, Milk Thistle, Hawthorn Berry, Celery Seed, Red Yeast Rice, Policosanol, Garlic, Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root) + 10 grams of Fish Oil + Several grams of Flaxseed + Some Good Fats from Almonds, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Peanut Butter etc.. But they don't seem to help at all while on test, tren , winny, masteron , proviron , femara, clen , ephedrine, etc...

I do general bloodwork every 4-6 months...

I am gonna do as you said and go with Test + Proviron during this break to maintain my muscle & bodyweight..

BTW, What do you think about Masteron compared to Proviron regarding their effect on cholesterol & lipid panel?
They are basically the similar drugs and have similar effects on our body, right?
Since Masteron is injectable and Proviron is oral, Does Masteron have less impact on cholesterol & lipid panel than Proviron?

If you think that Masteron is better way to go, then I would go with Test + Masteron..

Many Thanks as always, Ron..

[slimshady01]

Ron,

Was planning on taking 50mcg of t4 at night while on growth at. 3-4 iu a day. Would this seem ok?

Also just running 150mg of cyp a week and 100mg of var with the 4iu of growth for a cutting summer cycle. Wanted to give body a break from the higher test dosages I've been on. When var is gone ill stay at the 150 for another 6 weeks then look for something else.

[junglekatten]

got a question about cruise dosage.

1-20 50mg test p eod

First blast
1-8 150mg npp eod
1-8 30mg dbol ed

Second blast
1-8 200mg tren a eod
1-8 40mg dbol ed

is 50mg test p eod enough as base through out the 20 week cycle

[Ronnie Rowland]

Yeah Ron.. Right.. I do realize that High Cholesterol & LDL level isn't healthy at all and will eventually clog up my arteries...
However, I do take many cycle support supps (NAC, Milk Thistle, Hawthorn Berry, Celery Seed, Red Yeast Rice, Policosanol, Garlic, Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root) + 10 grams of Fish Oil + Several grams of Flaxseed + Some Good Fats from Almonds, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Peanut Butter etc.. But they don't seem to help at all while on test, tren , winny, masteron , proviron , femara, clen , ephedrine, etc...Add D3 and B3.

I do general bloodwork every 4-6 months...

I am gonna do as you said and go with Test + Proviron during this break to maintain my muscle & bodyweight..I should have told you test and mast, not test and proviron, since you have high cholesterol. Injectables are easier on lipids than orals!

BTW, What do you think about Masteron compared to Proviron regarding their effect on cholesterol & lipid panel? I think Masterone would have less impact on cholesterol levels since it's an injectable.
They are basically the similar drugs and have similar effects on our body, right? Masteron is more anabolic than proviron but it also tends to cause more prostate issues (for example, dribbling post urination from a swollen prostate!Since Masteron is injectable and Proviron is oral, Does Masteron have less impact on cholesterol & lipid panel than Proviron? Yes!

If you think that Masteron is better way to go, then I would go with Test + Masteron..Go with test and mast! IMO go with test and proviron if you have prostate issues.
Many Thanks as always, Ron..

"Proviron (oral 1-methyl-dihydrotestosterone) and Masteron (an injectable form of 2-methyl-dihydrotestosterne) are indeed structurally very similar. Both are DHT hormones with a minor modification (methylation) on each. This similarity, however, doesn’t carry over extremely closely when it comes to function. Both steroids are DHT derivatives, yes, and because of this there is no estrogen conversion possible with either drug. They lack a structural trait necessary for their conversion to estrogen. This characteristic may also allow both steroids to offer some level of anti-estrogenic activity, as the non-aromatizable steroid may compete with other aromatizable steroids (like your own endogenous testosterone ) for binding to the aromatase enzyme. This should lower estrogen levels and heighten the ratio of relative androgenic to estrogenic activity in the body. As such, both steroids could be used to some extent for cutting or contest preparations. The main value in this regard is that both may help, instead of hinder, the visible retention of fat and subcutaneous water. With less water retained, muscle definition can increase provided body fat is low enough. But this is about where the functional similarities between the two agents end.

The main difference between Proviron and Masteron is their relative level of anabolic activity in skeletal muscle. Both steroids are capable of attaching to and activating the androgen receptor in muscle tissue. As such, both are theoretically capable of supporting muscle growth. But there is one major problem with Proviron. Like the base steroid dihydrotestosterone, Proviron has a high affinity for the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) enzyme. Why is this important? It is important because 3HSD produces a weaker steroid by removing the highly important 3-keto group on the active steroid molecule. It this case it produces what are known as weak steroid “diols”. 3HSD is present in high amounts in muscle tissue, and represents a sort of blocking wall for the steroid to get through before it is able to find its corresponding receptor in the cytosol of the cell. Proviron and DHT will be actively looking for 3HSD if you will, and as a result very little will find the receptor before being converted to weakly active steroids. This is why people do not gain a lot of muscle mass while taking DHT or Proviron. The 1-methlation may result in improving the oral bioavailability of Proviron, hence the fact that it is an oral drug, but it doesn’t do much to protect it from 3HSD.

Masteron contains a 2-methylated derivative of DHT. Unlike the 1-methylation of Proviron, this alteration doesn’t effectively protect the steroid during oral dosing. This is why we only see Masteron as an injectable medication. However, shifting the methyl group from the 1 to the 2 position on the steroid backbone very effectively prevents conversion by 3HSD. As a result, the steroid is well equipped to enter the cell and break through the defensive line of 3HSD enzymes. It will reach the cytosolic androgen receptor in high concentrations, and because of this may impart a measurable tissue-building effect. So the bottom line is that while both may help improve the look of hardness to the muscles during contest preparations, only Masteron is actually going to offer a strong effect in muscle tissue itself. This means the potential for much more muscle size and strength gains during building phases of training, and at the very least a greater level of muscle preservation during cutting phases of training (the latter due to anabolic action in muscle helping to counter the catabolic effects of calorie restriction). These two drugs illustrate well the fact that categorizing the actions of steroids based on the three derivative bases (testosterone, nandrolone , and dihydrotestosterone) is not a highly accurate practice. So the next time someone tells you “This is a DHT derivative… so”, you can tell them “So what? I want to know what THIS steroid does, not DHT!”
– William Llewellyn, Author of Anabolics 9th Edition and Underground Anabolics
"

[The Titan99]

1) Drop carbs out of late post workout shake. 2) you are not wasting your money taking GH without using t-4 in conjunction. I would not recommend using more than 50 t-3 daily. Too much can cause muscle loss and get your natural heart beat out of its natural rythym. 3) your overall plan with the insulin,Igf,carb,and fat timing is great! But you better know what your doing before using insulin. It can cause your organs to age faster than normal and diabetic coma. IMO don't use it but if you do then keep Gatorade on hand at all times and never then go to sleep to be on the safe side.

OK, T3 at 50 mcg's ed. I guess I can't figure out how to workout at 7:00 pm AND take insulin PWO then 5 minutes later,9:05 pm (55 mg carbs, 10 mg Glutamine, 10 mg creatine) 15 minutes post injection 80 mg whey protein and water, 1 hour post injection meal 50 mg protein, 50 mg carb NO FAT (there goes my peanut butter before bed, steak, olive oil etc.) Anyway, here it is 10:00 pm, a half hour before bed and I can't take my HGH for 3 hours. BUMMER!! Could you do the insulin in the morning? You'd be catabolic then too I suppose.

Anyway, so for the IGF1. From what I can tell MGF should be taken immediately post work out, then LR3 IGF1 one hour after that. From what I gather you could have the 50 mg whey mixed with egg whites immediately after workout with the MGF then a protein fat meal an hour later with theLR3IGF1, then the HGH 30 minutes after that right before bed? Is this why guy's take their HGH in the morning? Could you set the alarm and take the HGH around 1:00 PM? I feel like I'm close to getting my mind around this, but not quite. I'd do the insulin, HGH and IGF1/MGF if I could workout mid day!! LOL!! What do you think? Anabolic wise I'm thinking 2 grams Test E/ 700 mg Masteron E/50 mg Proviron ed. Possibly 500mg NPP too.

[Yellow]

Yeah Ron.. Right.. I do realize that High Cholesterol & LDL level isn't healthy at all and will eventually clog up my arteries...
However, I do take many cycle support supps (NAC, Milk Thistle, Hawthorn Berry, Celery Seed, Red Yeast Rice, Policosanol, Garlic, Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root) + 10 grams of Fish Oil + Several grams of Flaxseed + Some Good Fats from Almonds, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Peanut Butter etc.. But they don't seem to help at all while on test, tren , winny, masteron , proviron , femara, clen , ephedrine, etc...Add D3 and B3.

I do general bloodwork every 4-6 months...

I am gonna do as you said and go with Test + Proviron during this break to maintain my muscle & bodyweight..I should have told you test and mast, not test and proviron, since you have high cholesterol. Injectables are easier on lipids than orals!

BTW, What do you think about Masteron compared to Proviron regarding their effect on cholesterol & lipid panel? I think Masterone would have less impact on cholesterol levels since it's an injectable.
They are basically the similar drugs and have similar effects on our body, right? Masteron is more anabolic than proviron but it also tends to cause more prostate issues (for example, dribbling post urination from a swollen prostate! Since Masteron is injectable and Proviron is oral, Does Masteron have less impact on cholesterol & lipid panel than Proviron? Yes!

If you think that Masteron is better way to go, then I would go with Test + Masteron..Go with test and mast! IMO go with test and proviron if you have prostate issues.
Many Thanks as always, Ron..

"Proviron (oral 1-methyl-dihydrotestosterone) and Masteron (an injectable form of 2-methyl-dihydrotestosterne) are indeed structurally very similar. Both are DHT hormones with a minor modification (methylation) on each. This similarity, however, doesn’t carry over extremely closely when it comes to function. Both steroids are DHT derivatives, yes, and because of this there is no estrogen conversion possible with either drug. They lack a structural trait necessary for their conversion to estrogen. This characteristic may also allow both steroids to offer some level of anti-estrogenic activity, as the non-aromatizable steroid may compete with other aromatizable steroids (like your own endogenous testosterone ) for binding to the aromatase enzyme. This should lower estrogen levels and heighten the ratio of relative androgenic to estrogenic activity in the body. As such, both steroids could be used to some extent for cutting or contest preparations. The main value in this regard is that both may help, instead of hinder, the visible retention of fat and subcutaneous water. With less water retained, muscle definition can increase provided body fat is low enough. But this is about where the functional similarities between the two agents end.

The main difference between Proviron and Masteron is their relative level of anabolic activity in skeletal muscle. Both steroids are capable of attaching to and activating the androgen receptor in muscle tissue. As such, both are theoretically capable of supporting muscle growth. But there is one major problem with Proviron. Like the base steroid dihydrotestosterone, Proviron has a high affinity for the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) enzyme. Why is this important? It is important because 3HSD produces a weaker steroid by removing the highly important 3-keto group on the active steroid molecule. It this case it produces what are known as weak steroid “diols”. 3HSD is present in high amounts in muscle tissue, and represents a sort of blocking wall for the steroid to get through before it is able to find its corresponding receptor in the cytosol of the cell. Proviron and DHT will be actively looking for 3HSD if you will, and as a result very little will find the receptor before being converted to weakly active steroids. This is why people do not gain a lot of muscle mass while taking DHT or Proviron. The 1-methlation may result in improving the oral bioavailability of Proviron, hence the fact that it is an oral drug, but it doesn’t do much to protect it from 3HSD.

Masteron contains a 2-methylated derivative of DHT. Unlike the 1-methylation of Proviron, this alteration doesn’t effectively protect the steroid during oral dosing. This is why we only see Masteron as an injectable medication. However, shifting the methyl group from the 1 to the 2 position on the steroid backbone very effectively prevents conversion by 3HSD. As a result, the steroid is well equipped to enter the cell and break through the defensive line of 3HSD enzymes. It will reach the cytosolic androgen receptor in high concentrations, and because of this may impart a measurable tissue-building effect. So the bottom line is that while both may help improve the look of hardness to the muscles during contest preparations, only Masteron is actually going to offer a strong effect in muscle tissue itself. This means the potential for much more muscle size and strength gains during building phases of training, and at the very least a greater level of muscle preservation during cutting phases of training (the latter due to anabolic action in muscle helping to counter the catabolic effects of calorie restriction). These two drugs illustrate well the fact that categorizing the actions of steroids based on the three derivative bases (testosterone, nandrolone , and dihydrotestosterone) is not a highly accurate practice. So the next time someone tells you “This is a DHT derivative… so”, you can tell them “So what? I want to know what THIS steroid does, not DHT!”
– William Llewellyn, Author of Anabolics 9th Edition and Underground Anabolics
"

Many thanks for the helpful advice & very detail explanation, Ron..

How much Vit D3 and B3 do I have to take? BTW I am already taking 1000IU D3 and 250mg B3 daily. Is it enough??

What do you think about low-dose trenbolone i.e 200mg per week accompanied with 500mg of testosterone just to maintain strength, musclemass & bodyweight..
Does it has significant impact on cholesterol & lipid panel?

I have been reading on an article about Low Dose Trenbolone for Hormone Replacement Theraphy (used with testosterone), what's your thought on it?

[Dougiefresh7707]

Awesome thread,a lot of info to try and take in at once saved it to my phone so I can re read as needed thanks for that though. My question is as you but it if I'm only looking to cycle periodically and I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder is it pointless sounds like in your opinion I will lose most gains after cycle I know I will cycle after cycle+pct= time off then cycle again, will I be able to remain big and make good gains still if I train and eat well on and off cycle?

[lla23]

Hi Ronnie, my apology, just repost again becos I think u might hv missed out..

Thanks Ronnie,

here's what i have summarize for my first cycle.

Do a Pre & Post Blood Work (Full Liver Panel, Lipids, Blood Hematocrit, Kidney, Estrogen Level, Prostate-Psa & Hormone levels - Test & Estrogen)

20 weeks Cycle

Test-E (250mg or 500mg) - Should i start at a smaller dosage first?
8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload (do u mean the cycle or training program?)
8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload then PCT (My apology, i dun under this part here on the reload & deload?)

Proviron for 20 weeks - (Would that be 50 mgs daily??)

PCT - Nolvadex for 4 weeks (How much mgs daily??)

I have the Gut Health area covered on the Zinc, Probiotics and L-Glutamine.

Did i missed out any other details??

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,

Was planning on taking 50mcg of t4 at night while on growth at. 3-4 iu a day. Would this seem ok?

Also just running 150mg of cyp a week and 100mg of var with the 4iu of growth for a cutting summer cycle. Wanted to give body a break from the higher test dosages I've been on. When var is gone ill stay at the 150 for another 6 weeks then look for something else.

Your body produces around 75mcgs of t-4 daily so 50 would not be enough IMO. Go with 100 mgs of t4 daily at a bare minimum.

[slimshady01]

Sounds good! It's on the way ..


One more quickly if you got time.

Obviously want to save money but give me the best choice.. I train Mondays to Fridays

3iu 7 days a week
4iu 6 on Sunday off
5iu mon to Friday weekends off.

[Joocie]

hey Ronnie - ive been running sust for about 8 weeks now, and am about to up the dose and and deca to the mix how would you correctly stck these two together, ive been hitting 4 mil sust a week, was trhinking of doing 3mil twice a week of sust and 2 mil twice a week of deca ??? both are rated 250mg per mil
help me bro ?????

[Ronnie Rowland]

I found this article written back in 2003 about HGH IGF and insulin use. It talks about a negative feedback loop coming 4 hours after HGH injections. And what's the deal with spot injections for localized fat reduction?

HGH
HGH should ideally be used for 20-30 week cycles (or longer). The dosage should be between 2-3IU per day if you are using GH primarily for fat loss, 4-5 IU’s a day for both fat loss and muscle growth, and approximately 1.0 – 2.0 IU’s a day for females. It is best to split your injections 1/2 first thing in the morning, 1/2 early afternoon if your dose is above 3.0 IU’s per day. Your pituitary will naturally produce about 6-9 pulses of GH per day. Each injection you take will create a negative feedback loop that will suppress these pulses for about 4 hours. By taking your injections first thing in the morning and early afternoon you will still allow your body to release its biggest pulse, which normally occurs shortly after going to sleep at night.

When starting out with your HGH cycle, for most people it is wise to begin you dose at 1.5 – 2.0IU per day for the first couple of weeks, and then begin increasing your dose by 0.5 unit every week or two until you reach your desired level. While it isn't an absolute neccessity to do this, if you are sensitive to the type of sides HGH present you will often times avoid these sides of joint pain/swelling, and bloating/water retention by slowly acclaimating to your ultimate 4-5 IU/day goal.

You should use an U100 insulin syringe for injecting HGH, and inject it subQ into your a**omen, obliques, top of thighs, triceps. Rotate injection sites. HGH can have a small localized fat loss benefit, so keep this in mind when choosing your injection sites.

First of all I just saw your motorcycle on Facebook and I am jealous..lol. Not sure if you knew it or not but I was ranked 11th in the US as a professional racer until I wrecked and hurt my back.

Now onto your question and it's a good one. The 3 natural high points of GH release are first thing in the morning, post-workout, and right before going to bed. We know carbs blunt the release of GH and carbs are a must for breakfast and post- workout unless post-workout is late at night as it is in your case. So,that leaves us with bedtime being the optimum choice. In addition, muscle repair occurs at night while we are a sleep making this the best opportunity to maximize the muscle building effects of GH. Furthermore, our bodies go into a fasted state at night and the anti-catabolic effects of GH are manifested when injected at night before going to bed,especially when we employ a carb curfew!

I feel that spot reducing by injecting GH into particular muscle groups is over-rated just as the claims that site injecting with anabolic steroids cause localized growth.

I do agree that GH needs to be used for around 6 months straight to gain maximum benefit. But a noticeable difference can be seen in only a couple of month when using a generous amount of pharm grade GH.

The biggest problem with using GH long term is the expense to effect ratio. And the longer you run high dosages of GH the more you increase your chances of developing diabetes by becoming insulin resistant. And after a lengthy period os GH usage studies have suggested that our bodies release more Somastatin. This hormone has been suggested to shut down Igf-1 receptors. It's probably good to take a week off after every 3 months of GH use.

Side effects of using GH at high dosages longterm can be serious. Heart enlargement, kidney enlargement, high blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid hormone deficiency, acromegaly, and accelerated growth of existing cancer cells. Like all hormones, GH should be used with great respect!

[slimshady01]

First of all I just saw your motorcycle on Facebook and I am jealous..lol. Not sure if you knew it or not but I was ranked 11th in the US as a professional racer until I wrecked and hurt my back.

Now onto your question and it's a good one. The 3 natural high points of GH release are first thing in the morning, post-workout, and right before going to bed. We know carbs blunt the release of GH and carbs are a must for breakfast and post- workout unless post-workout is late at night as it is in your case. So,that leaves us with bedtime being the optimum choice. In addition, muscle repair occurs at night while we are a sleep making this the best opportunity to maximize the muscle building effects of GH. Furthermore, our bodies go into a fasted state at night and the anti-catabolic effects of GH are manifested when injected at night before going to bed,especially when we employ a carb curfew!

I feel that spot reducing by injecting GH into particular muscle groups is over-rated just as the claims that site injecting with anabolic steroids cause localized growth.

I do agree that GH needs to be used for around 6 months straight to gain maximum benefit. But a noticeable difference can be seen in only a couple of month when using a generous amount of pharm grade GH.

The biggest problem with using GH long term is the expense to effect ratio. And the longer you run high dosages of GH the more you increase your chances of developing diabetes by becoming insulin resistant. And after a lengthy period os GH usage studies have suggested that our bodies release more Somastatin. This hormone has been suggested to shut down Igf-1 receptors. It's probably good to take a week off after every 3 months of GH use.

Side effects of using GH at high dosages longterm can be serious. Heart enlargement, kidney enlargement, high blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid hormone deficiency, acromegaly, and accelerated growth of existing cancer cells. Like all hormones, GH should be used with great respect!

Am I safe to assume that the 3-4 that I will run wont be considered a high dose? Therefor possibly safe to run this longer as long as I can afford.. Im mainly looking for anti aging and fat loss and anything else that comes with it along with running it with test cycles.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks Ronnie,

here's what i have summarize for my first cycle.

Do a Pre & Post Blood Work (Full Liver Panel, Lipids, Blood Hematocrit, Kidney, Estrogen Level, Prostate-Psa & Hormone levels - Test & Estrogen)

20 weeks Cycle

Test-E (250mg or 500mg) - Should i start at a smaller dosage first?
8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload (do u mean the cycle or training program?)
8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload then PCT (My apology, i dun under this part here on the reload & deload?)

Proviron for 20 weeks - (Would that be 50 mgs daily??)

PCT - Nolvadex for 4 weeks (How much mgs daily??)

I have the Gut Health area covered on the Zinc, Probiotics and L-Glutamine.

Did i missed out any other details??

500 mgs of test weekly first 8 week reload.
750 mgs of test weekly second 8 week reload.
250 mgs of test weekly for both 2 week deloads
50 mgs of proviron daily for 20 weeks.
40 mgs of nolvadex for 4 weeks pct along with 3 weeks of HMG or HCG eod

[Ronnie Rowland]

You prefer dbol or anadrol? I bloat more with anadrol but didn't experience sides. I did 50 of each for 3 weeks last year and that worked well.

I think dbol is safer! As far as gains, some like dbol better and some like anadrol . Both made me huge and strong fast, but I felt horrible using both.

[The Titan99]

First of all I just saw your motorcycle on Facebook and I am jealous..lol. Not sure if you knew it or not but I was ranked 11th in the US as a professional racer until I wrecked and hurt my back.

Now onto your question and it's a good one. The 3 natural high points of GH release are first thing in the morning, post-workout, and right before going to bed. We know carbs blunt the release of GH and carbs are a must for breakfast and post- workout unless post-workout is late at night as it is in your case. So,that leaves us with bedtime being the optimum choice. In addition, muscle repair occurs at night while we are a sleep making this the best opportunity to maximize the muscle building effects of GH. Furthermore, our bodies go into a fasted state at night and the anti-catabolic effects of GH are manifested when injected at night before going to bed,especially when we employ a carb curfew!

I feel that spot reducing by injecting GH into particular muscle groups is over-rated just as the claims that site injecting with anabolic steroids cause localized growth.

I do agree that GH needs to be used for around 6 months straight to gain maximum benefit. But a noticeable difference can be seen in only a couple of month when using a generous amount of pharm grade GH.

The biggest problem with using GH long term is the expense to effect ratio. And the longer you run high dosages of GH the more you increase your chances of developing diabetes by becoming insulin resistant. And after a lengthy period os GH usage studies have suggested that our bodies release more Somastatin. This hormone has been suggested to shut down Igf-1 receptors. It's probably good to take a week off after every 3 months of GH use.

Side effects of using GH at high dosages longterm can be serious. Heart enlargement, kidney enlargement, high blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid hormone deficiency, acromegaly, and accelerated growth of existing cancer cells. Like all hormones, GH should be used with great respect!

I never knew how you hurt your back bike racing. I never go over 30-35 mph on this island, but I still manage to hurt myself sometimes. It's been a lot better since I stopped drinking!! Lol!! OK, so right before bed it is!!

I was looking for an excuse to post those pics!!

[lla23]

Thanks Ronnie, how many mgs of HMG or HCG for 3 weeks? Is PCT done daily or twice a week?

500 mgs of test weekly first 8 week reload.
750 mgs of test weekly second 8 week reload.
250 mgs of test weekly for both 2 week deloads
50 mgs of proviron daily for 20 weeks.
40 mgs of nolvadex for 4 weeks pct along with 3 weeks of HMG or HCG eod

[Yellow]

Hi Ron,

I think you missed my post this one :
You'll want to read this!

[LookinToGrow]

Hey Ronnie, first of all, thanks for all of the great info. You're awesome. Had a quick question. Doing the following:

8 week reload 450mg/wk test e, 300mg/wk deca
2 week deload 275mg/wk test e

My question is, can I stay at the same dosages for the next reload or should I bump them up? I'm sticking to the test/deca cycle. After that second reload, I'll do PCT nolva/clomid. Thanks again for the great advice. I'm 4 weeks into the slingshot program (following most of your workout and diet too), and getting amazing results already.

[>Good Luck<]

Hey Ron,

Do you have any idea what would cause tingling in hands and arms while on cycle without GH.

Cycle is test e @ 750mg weekly with tbol kickstart @ 75mg daily. Tbol was finished before tingling began. Also often wake up with completely numb arms

[OnTheSauce]

High pump cutting circulation maybe? I've had it happen before

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie, I have one more question. I'm reading through these posts so I don't have to ask repeat questions. Maybe I missed this one but I see you recommend a light day and heavy day when training a body part twice a week. I'm assuming you mean light ( low volume - high reps) and heavy ( high volume low reps i.e. 8-10). My question is do you recommend this for your 8 week beginner routine as well? So I would do workout 1 on Monday and friday, for instance, with one light day then heavy the next? And do the same for workout 2?

For beginners it's best to train heavy every workout. I prefer more reps on higher volume days and less reps on lower volume days. You can use the same workout r number two if you desire but it's best to change exercises when training a muscle twice a week to avoid over use injuries.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron,

Do you have any idea what would cause tingling in hands and arms while on cycle without GH.

Cycle is test e @ 750mg weekly with tbol kickstart @ 75mg daily. Tbol was finished before tingling began. Also often wake up with completely numb arms

Sounds like somethings putting pressure on one of the nerve roots in your cervical spine!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Many thanks for the helpful advice & very detail explanation, Ron..

How much Vit D3 and B3 do I have to take? BTW I am already taking 1000IU D3 and 250mg B3 daily. Is it enough??

What do you think about low-dose trenbolone i.e 200mg per week accompanied with 500mg of testosterone just to maintain strength, musclemass & bodyweight..
Does it has significant impact on cholesterol & lipid panel?

I have been reading on an article about Low Dose Trenbolone for Hormone Replacement Theraphy (used with testosterone), what's your thought on it?

The amount of vitamins needed can vary from person to person. in general 1500-3000mgs of b3 and 2500-5000mgs of d3 daily.

Some people do fine cholesterol wise using 500 mgs of test and 200 mgs of tren weekly over the long haul while other have problems. You will need to have blood work done while on cycle to get the facts.

Low doses of tren for hrt is a possibility but it won't work for some. Even at low doses some will have side effects they will not want to live with. I still believe test for TRT is much safer. Tren is what's used to give cattle right before they are killed. Our body makes its own test so we know that's going to be much safer!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks Ronnie, how many mgs of HMG or HCG for 3 weeks? Is PCT done daily or twice a week?

Hcg 2500 iu eod

[Ronnie Rowland]

Am I safe to assume that the 3-4 that I will run wont be considered a high dose? Therefor possibly safe to run this longer as long as I can afford.. Im mainly looking for anti aging and fat loss and anything else that comes with it along with running it with test cycles.

Those dosages should be fine.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie, first of all, thanks for all of the great info. You're awesome. Had a quick question. Doing the following:

8 week reload 450mg/wk test e, 300mg/wk deca
2 week deload 275mg/wk test e

My question is, can I stay at the same dosages for the next reload or should I bump them up? I'm sticking to the test/deca cycle. After that second reload, I'll do PCT nolva/clomid. Thanks again for the great advice. I'm 4 weeks into the slingshot program (following most of your workout and diet too), and getting amazing results already.

I would bump the test up to 750 mgs weekly during second reload.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey Ronnie - ive been running sust for about 8 weeks now, and am about to up the dose and and deca to the mix how would you correctly stck these two together, ive been hitting 4 mil sust a week, was trhinking of doing 3mil twice a week of sust and 2 mil twice a week of deca ??? both are rated 250mg per mil
help me bro ?????

Keep sust at 4 mgs weekly and add 1 1/2 cc I'd deca weekly

[Ronnie Rowland]

Sounds good! It's on the way ..


One more quickly if you got time.

Obviously want to save money but give me the best choice.. I train Mondays to Fridays

3iu 7 days a week
4iu 6 on Sunday off
5iu mon to Friday weekends off.

3ius 7 x wk

[Ronnie Rowland]

Awesome thread,a lot of info to try and take in at once saved it to my phone so I can re read as needed thanks for that though. My question is as you but it if I'm only looking to cycle periodically and I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder is it pointless sounds like in your opinion I will lose most gains after cycle I know I will cycle after cycle+pct= time off then cycle again, will I be able to remain big and make good gains still if I train and eat well on and off cycle?

you won't lose all your gains when you come off cycle if you eat and train properly. You won't make gains off cycle and no one knows how much gains you will keep.