You'll want to read this!

[bananabate]

hey Ron ...would you recommend fast acting or slow acting esters (Tren /Test) knowing that after that Im going into deload after that and reaload afterwards again? This is gonna be my 3rd Tren cycle... Thanks a lot

[ricky23]

hi ronnie, quick question what do you think of hany rambods fst-7 system for lagging bodyparts? to me it just sounds like a quick fix and can lead to overtraining in the long term, what do you think?

sorry ron just found that you answered a similar question on page 6!
thanks

[lynxeffect1]

also ron i got the flu last wk, prob from sust, i htought twud be gone but now my throat is swollen up and find it hard to swallow, so if dis doesnt let up or if i need anti biotics or need to get touncils out or something i cant start me reload can i? anti biotics for a week wud ruin my cycle wudnt it? and i cant take 3 weeks off for deload can i

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'm on the third week of a reload and last night I was doing Back/Bi's. I've been going up steadily with weight and reps on all exercises. Last night I struggled a bit with underhand rows, but then made some progress with T-Bars. After that I do dead lifts 2 warm up sets followed by 1-4 reps then 4 more sets of 5-6. Last week I hit my first working set at 375 lbs. for 3 reps. Excellent for me!! This week I felt a little lower back twinge so I started my first working set at 355 lbs. COULDN'T move it off the ground!!! Dropped it to 330 and barely got 4 reps!!! This kind of scared me so I skipped deads after that. On underhand rows/T bars I felt a little pull below my right shoulder blade and I have a touchy forearm tendon, (I use straps and have no pain there) but this couldn't have been responsible for that kind of loss of strength, could it? YES IT COULD IF YOU IRRITATED A TENDON. Diet was cool (300 carbs), was hurting for sleep a little but I still couldn't imagine... Anabolics are 750 mg Sust week/525 mg Tren Hex week/50 mg Proviron ed and like I say I was on my 3rd week. Had the girlfriend down for the weekend and maybe partied a little too much but I was well hydrated and had a decent chest/tri's. What happened Ron? I'm doing shoulders/traps/abs tonight. I'll see what happens next week, but this is the most alarming set back without serious injury I've ever experienced. What do you think? Either a muscle or tendon pull. Also, partying with alcohol kills the CNS and that compounded your strength loss. Should I have drastically dropped the weight and did it anyway? I thought if I had to drop 120-130 lbs there might be something seriously wrong. BTW, I feel fine today. You did the right thing by stopping!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron
thanks for replying

my last stack was somthing like this
weak 1-4
testosterone 250 mg,equipose 150mg,dianabol 40mg
week 5- 6
testosterone 500 mg,equipose 200mg,dianabol 40mg
week 7-8
testosterone 250 mg,equipose 150mg,dianabol 40mg

week 9-12
pct

i took 15 days testosterone undeconate at 40 mg/day in november also 1- nov to 15 nov

now this time i want to gain size as well as clear my physique at the same time but want to be safe also

please advise. the safest cycle is a test only cycle imo. I would run 750 mgs per week for first reload and 1 gram per week duiring second deload then pct.

i shall be thankful to you.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=ricky23;5543711]hi ronnie, quick question what do you think of hany rambods fst-7 system for lagging bodyparts? to me it just sounds like a quick fix and can lead to overtraining in the long term, what do you think? Honestly, there is no way to bring up a lagging body part by training it with more sets. What brings up lagging body parts is [U]consistency, prioritization and hard work over the long haul given you are not under-training Obtaining an additional pump in the gym (like you can get from fst-7) does not equal more muscle mass. Straight sets always builds the most muscle and moving fast between sets at the end like fst-7 teaches does not allow for maximum weights to be used-hence a lack of deep type-2 fiber stimulation and increasing your chance for injury IMO. It's too many sets and over-training for the masses. You will never change your genetics by doing too many sets or eating too much protein. Train smart and you will grow according to your genetics. Nothing can change that![/[/U]QUOTE]above

[welcometopiyush]

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Hi Ronnie

i wat to cut also at the same time. do i need to take something for cutting also at the same time.

[welcometopiyush]

Hi Ronnie

i wat to cut also at the same time. do i need to take something for cutting also at the same time.

actually i am planing to run clen and tren with test.

[bernimx]

Hey M. Rowland,

I first read that thread in 2008 but just fell back on it again and found it EXTREMELY informative and logic, thank you very much for this.

I'm a bit confused, please tell me if I got this right.

At first you were suggesting to reload for 8-12 week, then deload for two weeks, but it seems that now you narrowed it down really to an 8 week reload followed by a 2 week deload, and a two week prime after that if you really were overtrained. Is this about right?

Also, you probably mentionned it, but could I alternate between say a blast where I eat a little bit over maintenance, say 300 a day on average to really minimise fat gain and have more of a recomp effect, followed by a second blast aiming at lowering bf%, where i'd follow a carb-cycling approach just like the one you mentionned. How do you play around with the dosage for such planning? Would you still increase the dosage? Since i'm giving vague details, i'm just looking for a vague answer; i'm not paying you anyway eh.

Thank you.

[Unleashthebeast]

Great read Ronnie ! Time for me to change everything up and try this your way.

A little about me:
I am 28 years old now. I am 6ft 215 pounds and about 12 - 14% BF On and off working out over the years. Im READY now to take the next step.

I have been a few cycles in high school (for football) and when I was in the military, from 2000 - 2004, but didn’t take the time to do any homework to know what I was doing. I know I was on Test and Dbol . (10 - 12wk cycles) I took no post cycle. Thank God I didn’t get any side effects. It was great to be young dumb and LUCKY.

I was about to start my cycle tomorrow, but after reading this for the first time today..... I HAVE A LOT TO LEARN and need to change my ways.



I will be taking supertest450
EACH ML OF SUPERTEST CONTAINS:
32 mg per ml of testosterone acetate
147 mg per ml of testosterone decanoate
73 mg per ml of testosterone propionate
73 mg per ml of testosterone phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml of testosterone cypionate

Im sure you know this but it's new to me. I am getting it from **** shop (They have great pricing)

I will be taking Deca200 and Dbol as well.

Supertest450 - 900ml per wk
Deca200 - 400ml per wk
Dbol -350mg per wk

Are any of these worse that the other ? I hear Dbol is pretty hard on your body. I remember taking Dbol in the military and it was harder for me to run when on it.

Is this too much to take for a YEAR using your program ?

My goal is 250 - 260 @ 10% give or take a percent. I know this will take time.



Should I take HCG with this? If so, why is beneficial? When should I cycle it in ?
On my 2 week deload howmuch Nolvadex should I take ?
When I start my deload should I take clomid? dosage? Is clomid also called PCT?

Any difference between clomid and nolvadex ?

Should I take these during my cycle?

1. Creatine? When and how much?
2. NO2? When and how much?
3. Vitamin B, B6 or B12. Pill or injectable ? When and how much?
4. Vitamin E When and how much?
5. Milk thistle. When and how much?


I know I have a lot of question. I would be more than glad to pay for the answers from you.

Thank You,
Adam

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron, strained a muscle in my neck during 2nd week of deload so only got 2 days training in, be grand for next week but it wont effect me for reloading again will it, shud help more if anything since wasnt training? just stick to the program and get some baclophen (muscle relaxer) for when you strain that neck. It works wonders!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey Ron ...would you recommend fast acting or slow acting esters (Tren /Test) knowing that after that Im going into deload after that and reaload afterwards again? I recommend both slow acting test and tren over fast acting esters pretty much always as it provides you with more stable blood levels and fewer painful injections! This is gonna be my 3rd Tren cycle... Thanks a lot

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[Ronnie Rowland]

also ron i got the flu last wk, prob from sust, i htought twud be gone but now my throat is swollen up and find it hard to swallow, so if dis doesnt let up or if i need anti biotics or need to get touncils out or something i cant start me reload can i? yes anti biotics for a week wud ruin my cycle wudnt it? Anti-biotics wont hurt your cycle and I do not think sustanon is causing you to have a sore throat. Sounds like strap throat so get to a doctor for some meds.. and i cant take 3 weeks off for deload can i You can but it's counterproductive unless you are sick or injured.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=welcometopiyush;5545603]actually i am planing to run clen and tren with test. that will work very good![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey m. Rowland,

i first read that thread in 2008 but just fell back on it again and found it extremely informative and logic, thank you very much for this.

I'm a bit confused, please tell me if i got this right.

At first you were suggesting to reload for 8-12 week, then deload for two weeks, but it seems that now you narrowed it down really to an 8 week reload followed by a 2 week deload, and a two week prime after that if you really were overtrained. Is this about right? no prime is needed after a 2 week deload. Only after a show would you normally need to take it easy for more than 2 weeks. also, you probably mentionned it, but could i alternate between say a blast where i eat a little bit over maintenance, say 300 a day on average to really minimise fat gain and have more of a recomp effect, followed by a second blast aiming at lowering bf%, where i'd follow a carb-cycling approach just like the one you mentionned. absolutely! how do you play around with the dosage for such planning? Would you still increase the dosage? Since i'm giving vague details, i'm just looking for a vague answer; i'm not paying you anyway eh.you still increase dosages during second reload. On a long drawn out cutting phase you do not deload for 2 weeks but some of my clients need a 1 week deload with training only at times if joint pain or fatigue gets out of hand.thank you.

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[welcometopiyush]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5546772]

actually i am planing to run clen and tren with test. that will work very good![/QUOTE]above

Hi Ronnie

I have heard that u can not run clen and tren togather as there will be high blood pressure associated with these two steroids
and also heard that we can not do cardio with tren

Please suggest what are safe dosaages of clen,tren and test.

[welcometopiyush]

[QUOTE=welcometopiyush;5546776]

Hi Ronnie

I have heard that u can not run clen and tren togather as there will be high blood pressure associated with these two steroids
and also heard that we can not do cardio with tren

Please suggest what are safe dosaages of clen,tren and test.

and also i will be using test enanthate with trenbol acetate and clen alongwith some ECA. will this be fine for cutting

[welcometopiyush]

and do suggest a good PCT Cycle for above stack

[Ronnie Rowland]

great read ronnie ! Time for me to change everything up and try this your way.

A little about me:
I am 28 years old now. I am 6ft 215 pounds and about 12 - 14% bf on and off working out over the years. Im ready now to take the next step.

I have been a few cycles in high school (for football) and when i was in the military, from 2000 - 2004, but didn’t take the time to do any homework to know what i was doing. I know i was on test and dbol . (10 - 12wk cycles) i took no post cycle. Thank god i didn’t get any side effects. It was great to be young dumb and lucky.

I was about to start my cycle tomorrow, but after reading this for the first time today..... I have a lot to learn and need to change my ways.



I will be taking supertest450
each ml of supertest contains:
32 mg per ml of testosterone acetate
147 mg per ml of testosterone decanoate
73 mg per ml of testosterone propionate
73 mg per ml of testosterone phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml of testosterone cypionate

im sure you know this but it's new to me. I am getting it from **** shop (they have great pricing)

i will be taking deca200 and dbol as well.

Supertest450 - 900ml per wk
deca200 - 400ml per wk
dbol -350mg per wk

are any of these worse that the other ? I hear dbol is pretty hard on your body. I remember taking dbol in the military and it was harder for me to run when on it. d-bol is more harsh than the other 2 and you need to stay well hydrated to prevent kidney pain and headaches while using it.is this too much to take for a year using your program ? i would not run d-bol for a whole year but rather do some injectable only cycles to spare the liver and cholesterol levels
my goal is 250 - 260 @ 10% give or take a percent. I know this will take time.



Should i take hcg with this? yes if you want kids. If so, why is beneficial? it keeps you fertile when should i cycle it in ?500 per week (divided into two weekly injections) is idea if you are young, plan on using a lot and want kids.on my 2 week deload howmuch nolvadex should i take ? why are you running nolvadex? when i start my deload should i take clomid? Dosage? Is clomid also called pct? not neccesarily..you need hcg!any difference between clomid and nolvadex ? yesshould i take these during my cycle? not really unless gyno appears. Then you could add nolvadex. Clomid causes emotional problems for many so steer clear while on cycle.1. Creatine? When and how much?
2. No2? never used it! when and how much? creatine would be 5mgs daily.3. Vitamin b, b6 or b12. Pill or injectable ? When and how much? sublingual b-12 tab - 1 every morning.4. Vitamin e when and how much?
5. Milk thistle. When and how much? takae a multi-vitamin it has e in it.
i know i have a lot of question. I would be more than glad to pay for the answers from you. not neccesary to pay me money. I take time to answer these questions for free out of respect for what i feel is the best bodybuilding board on the net (the anabolic review board!)thank you,
adam

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[Unleashthebeast]

Ronnie,

THANK YOU. Over the last year I have read hundreds of articles, posts, forums and heard a hundred different opinions. I have been able to seperate the fact from fiction for the most part. After seeing how many folks respect you and your advice, Im done seeking the true answers to those questions. Again - Thank you

Adam

[SPEED STREAM]

Thanks for the info

[Maronn]

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Hi Ronnie,

many thanks for your answer. I really need to consider this. One problem is that I might want kids, but not in the next 3 years. So starting a HRT now wouldn't be a good idea, I guess.

What kind of dose would you recommend. Normally they give you 250mg every 14d, right? What could be the long term side effcts with a HRT (besides infertility)? Thanks!

[lynxeffect1]

palumbo says take ur shots eod to keep blood levels stable which ive been doin for quite a while now but is der gonna be a big differance if ur using 2 long lasting esters such as test/deca because the supply of barrels and pins u need to buy is never ending !

[welcometopiyush]

and do suggest a good PCT Cycle for above stack

Hi Ronnie
I am planing to follow below cycle for lean gaining. please advise.


1-3 week - Test E 500 Mg/week,stanazol oral - 20 mg/day ,tren - 150mg /week, clen - 40mcg/day ,ECA
4-5 week - Test E 750 Mg/week,stanazol oral - 30 mg/day ,tren - 300mg /week, clen - off , ECA
6-8 week - Test E 500 Mg/week,stanazol oral - 20 mg/day ,tren - 150mg /week, clen - 40mcg/day ,ECA

PCT: Weeks 9-12
hCG at 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks
clomid at 50 mgs once per day for 4 weeks
nolva 20 mgs per day for 4 weeks

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=welcometopiyush;5546776]

Hi Ronnie

I have heard that u can not run clen and tren togather as there will be high blood pressure associated with these two steroids
and also heard that we can not do cardio with tren Not true, in fact my blood pressure always decreased due to losing body fat and cardio. When you add clen with tren it opens up your bronchial tubes allowing you to breath pretty much normal once again.
Please suggest what are safe dosaages of clen,tren and test. For what you are trying to achieve I would go with around 750 mgs of test, 400 mgs of tren and no more than 80 mcgs of clen.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=welcometopiyush;5546***]

and also i will be using test enanthate with trenbol acetate and clen alongwith some ECA. will this be fine for cutting drop ECA!

ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie,

thank you. Over the last year i have read hundreds of articles, posts, forums and heard a hundred different opinions. I have been able to seperate the fact from fiction for the most part. After seeing how many folks respect you and your advice, im done seeking the true answers to those questions. Again - thank you

adam

much appreciated!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie,

many thanks for your answer. I really need to consider this. One problem is that I might want kids, but not in the next 3 years. So starting a HRT now wouldn't be a good idea, I guess. No it would not IMO. However, you could have some sperm frozen. Its really a good idea for all younger guys on this board or those wanting another kid. Better safe than sorry!What kind of dose would you recommend. Normally they give you 250mg every 14d, right? I get 200 mgs every week so it varies but I still believe 200 per week is idea not every 2 weeks. What could be the long term side effcts with a HRT (besides infertility)? Only positive given you do not get high hemocrit or prolactin levels.Thanks!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

palumbo says take ur shots eod to keep blood levels stable which ive been doin for quite a while now but is der gonna be a big differance if ur using 2 long lasting esters such as test/deca because the supply of barrels and pins u need to buy is never ending ! There really isn't going to be a noticeable difference between two a week or three a week injections as long esters peak for 2-3 days post injection. IMO why poke yourself three times if it can be done twice! It only increases your chances of getting an infection, hitting a vein and wasting money on needles like you stated. In fact, injecting deca only once a week is perfect!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie
i am planing to follow below cycle for lean gaining. Please advise.


1-3 week - test e 500 mg/week,stanazol oral - 20 mg/day ,tren - 150mg /week, clen - 40mcg/day ,eca
4-5 week - test e 750 mg/week,stanazol oral - 30 mg/day ,tren - 300mg /week, clen - off , eca
6-8 week - test e 500 mg/week,stanazol oral - 20 mg/day ,tren - 150mg /week, clen - 40mcg/day ,eca

pct: Weeks 9-12
hcg at 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks
clomid at 50 mgs once per day for 4 weeks
nolva 20 mgs per day for 4 weeks drop eca stack as clen and ephedrine should not be mixed and changing does not upregulate beta-2 receptors as they both hit the same receptors! So just go off clen weeks 4-5. Also the dosages of anabolics during weeks 4-5 is what your cycle should be weeks 1-8.

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[welcometopiyush]

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Thanks for the guidence ronnie.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

during a winstrol only cycle...how do i keep up sex drive...possible???

[VASCULAR VINCE]

quads have quit responding with 12 sets...would going up to .16..sets..for a few weeks..help break my plateau???

[Big C BC]

Hey Ronnie

Was thinking of starting a cycle of winnie and anavar . How does this look:

wk 1-2: var 40 mg ED
wk 3-6: var 60 mg ED
wk 7-8: var 80 mg ED
wk 5-8: winnie 50mg ED

Also what kind of pct, and for how long?

[The Titan99]

As luck would have it, I'm in my 4th week of a reload and have contracted Dengue fever. Symtoms are fever, joint pain and complete loss of energy and appetite. (Perfect for a BB huh?) I did my workout last night but it was really tough. I'm seriously dehydrated no matter how much water I drink. I'm currently doing 1 gram of Test/525 Tren /Proviron 50 mg ed. This is suppose to last a week or 2 so my question is should I try to tough it out with a deload type workout thing and reduce to 500 mg test only or should I just rest and try to recuperate or what do you think? It seems like a waste of good Tren to stay on when I can't push to the limit.

[ricky23]

hey ronnie, do you think that if all aas are stopped then gains can be kept for a max of 2 weeks before muscle loss starts or does it differ from person to person.
also what do you make of trens fat loss properties?
thanks

[bernimx]

Ronnie, in your opinion, does winstrol have a use in gaining LBM, just like say T-bol or anavar , or should it be strictly used for aesthetic purposes (getting ready for a show or whatever). Winny obviously is known for cutting purposes, i'm wondering if it is simply ran for the hardening effect, or if it actually helps preserve muscle mass (because winny is indeed very anabolic ). Deca would be ran at a low dosage for the joints (test too, of course). Thanks a lot.

[ricky23]

ronnie if you have time to read this, what do you make of this article?
http://ianabolicsteroids.com/clearing-the-receptors.htm

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;5550077]during a winstrol only cycle...how do i keep up sex drive...possible??? Add 50 mgs of proviron daily to increase androgen levels and sex drive will pick it.[/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;5550078]quads have quit responding with 12 sets...would going up to .16..sets..for a few weeks..help break my plateau??? No, it would be just the opposite. Instead of increasing to 16 work sets for a few weeks revert back to around 8 very intense work sets and you should see some more growth. 16 work sets is always OVER-TRAINING! /QUOTE]above