You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Big C BC;5551132]Hey Ronnie

Was thinking of starting a cycle of winnie and anavar . How does this look :Not a big fam of running winnie and var together unless you are female but if you are going to do it run both for 8 weeks and take about 40 mgs of var daily and 50 mgs of winnie daily.wk 1-2: var 40 mg ED
wk 3-6: var 60 mg ED
wk 7-8: var 80 mg ED
wk 5-8: winnie 50mg ED

Also what kind of pct, and for how long? read through this thread as pct has been rehashed to death. hcg only for 2-3 weeks post cycle is a good plan. 2500 eod.[/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

As luck would have it, I'm in my 4th week of a reload and have contracted Dengue fever. Symtoms are fever, joint pain and complete loss of energy and appetite. (Perfect for a BB huh?) I did my workout last night but it was really tough. I'm seriously dehydrated no matter how much water I drink. I'm currently doing 1 gram of Test/525 Tren /Proviron 50 mg ed. This is suppose to last a week or 2 so my question is should I try to tough it out with a deload type workout thing and reduce to 500 mg test only or should I just rest and try to recuperate or what do you think? It seems like a waste of good Tren to stay on when I can't push to the limit. stop training altogether, get off of everything except 300 mgs of test per week and start back training and continue cycle in two weeks or when better. Do not try working out with a fever as this can be dangerous!!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, do you think that if all aas are stopped then gains can be kept for a max of 2 weeks before muscle loss starts or does it differ from person to person. I think yes for many people but you'll probably lose some strength due to water loss.also what do you make of trens fat loss properties? Tren does help burn body fat! thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, in your opinion, does winstrol have a use in gaining lbm, just like say t-bol or anavar , or should it be strictly used for aesthetic purposes (getting ready for a show or whatever). winstrol can be used for gaining lean mass and it causes some strength gains as well. winny obviously is known for cutting purposes, i'm wondering if it is simply ran for the hardening effect, or if it actually helps preserve muscle mass (because winny is indeed very anabolic ). Deca would be ran at a low dosage for the joints (test too, of course). good! thanks a lot.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie if you have time to read this, what do you make of this article? Unfortunately Trevor died a few years back at an early age. Rumor had it was due to a stroke but I do not know for sure how he died? It's sad either way and I really hated to hear the bad news about this seemingly fine gentlemen. Regarding this article there are some valid points and some points I strongly disagree with. Speeding up the metabolism does not clear out receptors sites IMO! What speeding up the metabolism does do is increase your sensitivity to insulin (hence the importance of train legs-"your largest muscle group in the body that fires up that metabolic rate'). When you become insulin resistant ingested amino acids from protein sources no longer enter the muscle cells-hence no more muscle growth! This is why fat people keep getting fatter. DNP is a very dangerous drug and if Trevor was using DNP it may have well been what killed him. Also taking cytomel while off cycle eats muscle mass up fast-hence equaling a slower not faster metabolism over the long haul. I did agree that taking off some time each year is good for additional growth but 6 weeks works just as good as 8 weeks. http://ianabolicsteroids.com/clearing-the-receptors.htm

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[ricky23]

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thanks ronnie, ive read a few of trevor smiths articles some time ago but did'nt really know who he was until i researched him, seemed a very nice down to earth and intelligent guy.
ronnie how do you think the best way is to come off or effectively clean receptors if thats possible. say 3 or 4 consecutive reload/deloads have been done which i plan to do, would a full pct be needed or would a 4 week prime do the trick (as i plan on staying on year round for best possible gains) and would the prime be completely aas free or just test at a very low dose.
thanks ronnie

[ridedivefx]

Hi Ronnie,

In reference to starting the 2nd 20weeks reload/deload cycle after PCT can I keep the same dosage of test/eq or would I need to increase them both.

1st reload: test/eg - 500/400
1st deload: test/eg - 250/200
2nd reload: test/eq - 750/600
2nd deload: test/eq - 375/300
PCT

Now for the 3rd reload/deload and the 4th reload/deload can I keep the same cycles/dosages as above or do I need to increase them?

thanks

[bernimx]

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Thanks a lot Ronnie.

Another question, although you might have answered it already...

Is there a point where it's wiser to come off after several reload/deload to clear the receptors so that you surpass where you were once you're back on, especially when the dosage gets very high for example?

[UKDeviant]

Hi Ronnie, love this thread and the hardwork you put into it.
I have seen some serious results since following your protocol rather than the yo yo'ing from 12 weeks and time off cycles but I need some advise on my next reload.
Current reload is 1g Test E 200mg Deca a week and not sure what to do for my next reload. I have not suffered any real sides just the odd spot on my shoulders but not sure moving up to 1.25g a week is the right thing to do so i was thinking of adding in Tren E but never used this compound before. Would you advise i keep the Test at 1g a week and add in some tren (if so what would be a good starting dose something around 400mg a week?) or should i drop the Test a little if adding in Tren e for the first time or would you recommend a completely different stack to keep the gains coming?

Regards.

[lynxeffect1]

ron will taking all ur shots into one muscle help that muscle respond better or does it matter at all ? i wudnt have thought so at all but i always take my shots inda ass and it cud be just all in my head but its luks to me like my ass is growing better dan anywhere else lol! hadnt much der before , now ive a ghetto ass lol ! its the most circular muscle group i have!

[The Titan99]

Quote Originally Posted by The Titan99 View Post
As luck would have it, I'm in my 4th week of a reload and have contracted Dengue fever. Symtoms are fever, joint pain and complete loss of energy and appetite. (Perfect for a BB huh?) I did my workout last night but it was really tough. I'm seriously dehydrated no matter how much water I drink. I'm currently doing 1 gram of Test/525 Tren /Proviron 50 mg ed. This is suppose to last a week or 2 so my question is should I try to tough it out with a deload type workout thing and reduce to 500 mg test only or should I just rest and try to recuperate or what do you think? It seems like a waste of good Tren to stay on when I can't push to the limit. stop training altogether, get off of everything except 300 mgs of test per week and start back training and continue cycle in two weeks or when better. Do not try working out with a fever as this can be dangerous!!

That's what I thought. Thanks Ron. In regards to diet, would it be a good idea to reduce carbs by 40-50% since I'm completely in active? Wouldn't this act as a sort of a prime?

[Ronnie Rowland]

quote originally posted by the titan99 view post
as luck would have it, i'm in my 4th week of a reload and have contracted dengue fever. Symtoms are fever, joint pain and complete loss of energy and appetite. (perfect for a bb huh?) i did my workout last night but it was really tough. I'm seriously dehydrated no matter how much water i drink. I'm currently doing 1 gram of test/525 tren /proviron 50 mg ed. This is suppose to last a week or 2 so my question is should i try to tough it out with a deload type workout thing and reduce to 500 mg test only or should i just rest and try to recuperate or what do you think? It seems like a waste of good tren to stay on when i can't push to the limit. stop training altogether, get off of everything except 300 mgs of test per week and start back training and continue cycle in two weeks or when better. Do not try working out with a fever as this can be dangerous!!

that's what i thought. Thanks ron. In regards to diet, would it be a good idea to reduce carbs by 40-50% since i'm completely in active? Wouldn't this act as a sort of a prime? it would but i'd just eat normal since you are sick and need a strong cns. If anything drop protein!

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[welcometopiyush]

Hi Ron

Just one more query.
does taking steroids just once or twice a year with modrate dosages and Proper PCT will have any kind of ill health effects in the long run.

Thanks

[VASCULAR VINCE]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5552459]

quads have quit responding with 12 sets...would going up to .16..sets..for a few weeks..help break my plateau??? No, it would be just the opposite. Instead of increasing to 16 work sets for a few weeks revert back to around 8 very intense work sets and you should see some more growth. 16 work sets is always OVER-TRAINING! /QUOTE]above

Wow.....You were right on the once once again Mr.Rowland..I feel like I should be paying for this info!!!

[ridedivefx]

Ronnie,

I am in my 3rd week of reload/cycle and have been doing a 5day split. Today I aggravated really badly an old nagging injury in my elbows and arms. I am not able to put any weight on them right now or do any push exercises. I can manage pull exercises however.

What should I do?
1. Take a week off and see how it goes and continue my cycle.

2. Stop everything deload my cycle and stop working out for a week or till it heels.

3. Stop cycle and stop lifting till it heels

Please advice... and thanks

[bernimx]

Ronnie,

I got a question regarding long-estered drugs and your reload/deload protocol.

Let's assume one runs the following plan (speculation):

RELOAD
1-8 Test-e @ 500mg/week
1-8 Tren -e @ 300mg/week

DELOAD
9-10 Test-e @ 250mg/week
9-10 Tren-e @ 150mg/week

RELOAD
11-18 Test-e @ 500mg/week
11-18 Tren-e @ 300mg/week

DELOAD
...

Because of the long ester, won't the user attain his lowest dosage during week 11-12 or so? Now if the user was using test-prop and tren-ace, I could see that plan make total sense.. But as it is laid out, which is the way you seem to be recommending, won't the drugs level slowly decline by week 9-10, to attain their lowest point at week 11-12, to then build up again from there? Please enlighten me.

[GoloLolo]

Hi Ronnie Rowland

I have a question for you.

Can you start a 6 week cycle that only consists of Dianabol 5mg and Nolvadex 20mg both Oral tablets?

And pyramid up slowly up to 30mg of Dianabol and then pyramid down slowly.

Also take Nolvadex every day from beggining of cycle.

Whats your view?

[SirLiftALOT]

Hey Ronnie

First , thanks for contributing so much to the forums bro . Youre always finding time to answer questions .


My question is if i can reload and deload on test only & once in awhile had another compound to the mix ?

Ive done all test only cycles and im very happy with how ive grown . Im looking to compete in the NPC and wondering if test only reload and deloads are a pipe dream ...

5'6 193lbs. 14% bodyfat

[Rodax]

Ok buddy of mine is about to come off of a 4wk m-drol 4wk epimax PH cycle. He showed me what he planned to use for a PCT (bc that's what the guy at the store gave him to buy) and the only thing I saw remotely PCT related was Formestane. Now after pouring over the boards here, I saw that it's not that good, esp the pill form, bc of the limited bioavailability. I told him that he'd prolly be better off figuring out a Nolva/Clomid PCT fast and forget the pills. Am I right or was the store guy right?

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks ronnie, ive read a few of trevor smiths articles some time ago but did'nt really know who he was until i researched him, seemed a very nice down to earth and intelligent guy.
ronnie how do you think the best way is to come off or effectively clean receptors if thats possible. say 3 or 4 consecutive reload/deloads have been done which i plan to do, would a full pct be needed or would a 4 week prime do the trick (as i plan on staying on year round for best possible gains) and would the prime be completely aas free or just test at a very low dose. If you plan to stay on year round try taking off 6 weeks per year by reducing dosage down to 200 mgs of test per week or do pct (your choice but I like the 200 mgs per week option best). During this time back off heavy training with volume to give the body a break. Do more cardio during this time to take body fat levels down if needed to help prime the body through increasing your sensitivity to insulin.thanks ronnie

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron

just one more query.
Does taking steroids just once or twice a year with modrate dosages and proper pct will have any kind of ill health effects in the long run. no!thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[quote=vascular vince;5555629]

wow.....you were right on the once once again mr.rowland..i feel like i should be paying for this info!!!

thank you!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie,

i am in my 3rd week of reload/cycle and have been doing a 5day split. Today i aggravated really badly an old nagging injury in my elbows and arms. I am not able to put any weight on them right now or do any push exercises. I can manage pull exercises however.

What should i do?
1. Take a week off and see how it goes and continue my cycle.

2. Stop everything deload my cycle and stop working out for a week or till it heels. do this one and it may take two weeks or longer to heal along with some deca and dmso! What exercise hurt you?3. Stop cycle and stop lifting till it heels

please advice... And thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie,

i got a question regarding long-estered drugs and your reload/deload protocol.

Let's assume one runs the following plan (speculation):

reload
1-8 test-e @ 500mg/week
1-8 tren -e @ 300mg/week

deload
9-10 test-e @ 250mg/week
9-10 tren-e @ 150mg/week

reload
11-18 test-e @ 500mg/week
11-18 tren-e @ 300mg/week

deload
...

Because of the long ester, won't the user attain his lowest dosage during week 11-12 or so?no because the long acting esters like enanthate actually kick in faster than short acting esters like prop but they do not peak as high. now if the user was using test-prop and tren-ace, i could see that plan make total sense.. But as it is laid out, which is the way you seem to be recommending, won't the drugs level slowly decline by week 9-10, to attain their lowest point at week 11-12, to then build up again from there? Please enlighten me.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie rowland

i have a question for you.

Can you start a 6 week cycle that only consists of dianabol 5mg and nolvadex 20mg both oral tablets?

And pyramid up slowly up to 30mg of dianabol and then pyramid down slowly.

Also take nolvadex every day from beggining of cycle.

Whats your view? you can do anything you want but i do not like this cycle. It's too short to hold on to any noticeable gains!. You are gonna blow up then deflate!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie

First , thanks for contributing so much to the forums bro . Youre always finding time to answer questions .


My question is if i can reload and deload on test only & once in awhile had another compound to the mix ?

Ive done all test only cycles and im very happy with how ive grown . Im looking to compete in the NPC and wondering if test only reload and deloads are a pipe dream ...Those who are genetically gifted and respond well to test can compete on test only. Most need some tren, d-bol or anadrol to take it to the next level unless they respond really well to test. Everyone responds differently to various drugs. Some make more strength gains off d-bol and anadrol than test where as others make more gains on test. Many make their best overall gains combining test with tren and anadrol and/or d-bol. 5'6 193lbs. 14% bodyfat

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[djdizzy]

Ron, have a few more questions. I'm doing a 20 week blast right now. Test only 500 1st reload, 750 for second. I'm 38 and don't care about having kids but would like to avoid HRT if possible. So after this blast and PCT(nolva/clomid/hcg ) how long to stay clean till my next 20 week blast without losing too much of my gains?

EDIT: re reading thread and found this: (I'm guessing I should follow it)
Beginning second cycle 6 weeks post 4 weeks of pct is a good plan. This allows you to start pct during phase 3 which begins with an 8 week reload. During the last 4 weeks of the reload you will be finished with pct. Next you enter a 2 week deload (still all natural). This adds up to 6 weeks. Then you can start back at phase 1 once again by starting another 8 week reload using anabolics. You'll be ready for another 20 week cycle if desired.

Also I saw you mentioned this a while ago for cycles:
2nd cycle: Test/deca
3rd cycle: Test/tren
for the 2nd cycle what amount of deca to go with either a 500(1st reload)/750(2nd) base of test or 750/1000?

EDIT: I found this in this thread while looking around, should I just go off this?
Wk 1-8 test@500mg/deca@400mg
wk 9-10 test @250mg (no deca)
wk 11-18 (test 1 gram/deca 400)
wk 19-20 test@250mg (no deca)
wk 21-25 full pct

Should the deca doses be split or can I do 400 once a week?
Bloating/Gyno hasn't been much of an issue but like I said I'm doing test only, should I be running anything when adding the Deca?

Thanks Ron! I am seeing some great results from following your STS program!!!

[djdizzy]

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[Chris J]

Ronnie, I was under the impression that the reason I became stale on a long cycle was because my receptors were no longer capable of absorbing the amount of juice I was using. Granted I did not increase the amount after weeks 10, 12 and through 20. I was told I needed to take a month or two off so my body can regulate itself and my receptors could clean out. If this recomendation was accurate, then why wouldn't my receptors again become clogged on the 8 on 2 off program over and over? Is two weeks off long enough to to cause a
"re stimulization" once you start the reload over again each time? Two weeks off does not seem like enough time for your testies to even wake up after multiple reloads. If shutdown occurs, which it will after a year of this cycle, where does that leave us? My guess is the doctor for T.R.T. and in the US that equates to fist full of doctor bills. I was planning on waiting another three weeks to cycle (8 total) but when I read you post I got excited. Good info

[bernimx]

I got a question regarding long-estered drugs and your reload/deload protocol.

Let's assume one runs the following plan (speculation):

reload
1-8 test-e @ 500mg/week
1-8 tren -e @ 300mg/week

deload
9-10 test-e @ 250mg/week
9-10 tren-e @ 150mg/week

reload
11-18 test-e @ 500mg/week
11-18 tren-e @ 300mg/week

deload
...

Because of the long ester, won't the user attain his lowest dosage during week 11-12 or so?no because the long acting esters like enanthate actually kick in faster than short acting esters like prop but they do not peak as high. now if the user was using test-prop and tren-ace, i could see that plan make total sense.. But as it is laid out, which is the way you seem to be recommending, won't the drugs level slowly decline by week 9-10, to attain their lowest point at week 11-12, to then build up again from there? Please enlighten me.

Care to explain that please? What does ''not peaking as high'' means? I thought long estered would build up and peak by week 4-6...?

[The Titan99]

Hey, quick update. Did chest/tri's last night. (which was the last workout I did while getting blood work done.) Went up big time in all lifts and in reps also!!! Couldn't believe it!! All my nagging little injuries seem to be healed too. Tonight I have back/bi's which was a problem 2 weeks ago, but with any luck things should roll forward. I moved dead lifts to the beginning of my back workout and feel like this was something I should have done a long time ago. Back/bi is one of my hardest nights, so I'm going to just try to maintain. If I can do that I'm thrilled. The Dengue is definitely over since I'm back to the tren -induced insomnia problem that I was having before. I'm supposed to start cycling the clen again today but I think I've had enough of the elevated body temp for a while, lol. Thanks for all the help Ron. This thing had me worried...

One question though. I had blood work done and had some flags. My LDL was fine but my HDL was 15 which is less than half normal (35-65). The next one was SGOT (AST) 232. It says this should be15-37!!! Yikes!! Same deal with SGPT (ALT) was 265 normal is 0-40. These were the ones that had me worried. Other than that my MCHC was 31.9 (normal 32-36) good I guess, RDW was 16.7 (normal 11,5-14.5) not bad? Then PLT count was 111 Normal being 140-400. Is this acceptable or maybe some of it due to the dengue?

[Maronn]

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Hi Ronnie,

that is interessting. you really think that there is no harm at all for the body if you do for example one 20 weeks slingshot cycle per year.

[lynxeffect1]

first time trying ur methods ron, in my 2nd reload, jus wondering, for this 2nd reload and every other from now the test ent will kick in the usual time week 3 r 4 correct? its not meant to kick in straight away like is it

[Ronnie Rowland]

ok buddy of mine is about to come off of a 4wk m-drol 4wk epimax ph cycle. He showed me what he planned to use for a pct (bc that's what the guy at the store gave him to buy) and the only thing i saw remotely pct related was formestane. Now after pouring over the boards here, i saw that it's not that good, esp the pill form, bc of the limited bioavailability. I told him that he'd prolly be better off figuring out a nolva/clomid pct fast and forget the pills. Am i right or was the store guy right? actually, hcg is all he needs imo

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ron, have a few more questions. I'm doing a 20 week blast right now. Test only 500 1st reload, 750 for second. I'm 38 and don't care about having kids but would like to avoid hrt if possible. So after this blast and pct(nolva/clomid/hcg ) how long to stay clean till my next 20 week blast without losing too much of my gains? 6 weeksedit: Re reading thread and found this: (i'm guessing i should follow it)
beginning second cycle 6 weeks post 4 weeks of pct is a good plan. This allows you to start pct during phase 3 which begins with an 8 week reload. During the last 4 weeks of the reload you will be finished with pct. Next you enter a 2 week deload (still all natural). This adds up to 6 weeks. Then you can start back at phase 1 once again by starting another 8 week reload using anabolics. You'll be ready for another 20 week cycle if desired.

Also i saw you mentioned this a while ago for cycles:
2nd cycle: Test/deca
3rd cycle: Test/tren
for the 2nd cycle what amount of deca to go with either a 500(1st reload)/750(2nd) base of test or 750/1000? most have sexual issues with deca so i err on the side of caution with recommending dosages. About a half a ml and no more than 1ml. 1 gram of test as a base is greatedit: I found this in this thread while looking around, should i just go off this? You can follow this unless you experience sexual sides from deca. I have had too many guys have sexual dysfunction on deca and this it's not worth it! I like to use deca in small amounts for the joints more than to build actual muscle because of this. Remember to build muscle with deca it requires higher dosages than test. For some who are advanced this means upwards of 1 gram per week which almost always causes sexual sides.wk 1-8 test@500mg/deca@400mg
wk 9-10 test @250mg (no deca)
wk 11-18 (test 1 gram/deca 400)
wk 19-20 test@250mg (no deca)
wk 21-25 full pct

should the deca doses be split or can i do 400 once a week? i would use it once a week as twice a week can makes sexual dysfunction worse!bloating/gyno hasn't been much of an issue but like i said i'm doing test only, should i be running anything when adding the deca? Proviron is a good choice and have some[u] cialis on hand![/u]thanks ron! I am seeing some great results from following your sts program!!!

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[GoloLolo]

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Hey Ronnie

What if i cycle for 8 weeks and pyramid up slowly upto 50mg of Dianabol and pyramid down slowly? And also take Nolvadex at 20mg every day.

Will i see any gains then? Or will i still blow up and then deflate?

Could you recommend a begginers cycle for me that consists of only Oral tablets as i hate injections.

Thanks.

[GoloLolo]

Hmmm

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, i was under the impression that the reason i became stale on a long cycle was because my receptors were no longer capable of absorbing the amount of juice i was using. Granted i did not increase the amount after weeks 10, 12 and through 20. I was told i needed to take a month or two off so my body can regulate itself and my receptors could clean out. your receptors do not become clogged per se. When you take off too long between cycles you are in a constant state of yo-yoing- gaining then losing most of your gains. Myostatin levels play a large role in not being able to make more gains so taking dosages down for a couple of weeks helps. Also your body gets adapted to the same ole dosages over and over. This is why regardless of how long you take off between cycles you will never become mr.olympia by using only 750 mgs of test per week. With an incerase in dosages comes an increase in size given all other aspects are in check but side effects also increase so its a trade off. PRO-BODYBUILDER'S TAKE LARGE DOSAGES YEAR ROUND AND HAVE GREAT GENETICS. THEY DO NOT TAKE OFF 4 WEEKS AFTER EVERY 8 WEEKS! However, GH alone is anticatabolic-hence it will help prevent muscle loss if you want to take off more time than 2 weeks between reloads. if this recomendation was accurate, then why wouldn't my receptors again become clogged on the 8 on 2 off program over and over? Is two weeks off long enough to to cause a
"re stimulization" once you start the reload over again each time? Two weeks off does not seem like enough time for your testies to even wake up after multiple reloads. If shutdown occurs, which it will after a year of this cycle, where does that leave us? My guess is the doctor for t.r.t. And in the us that equates to fist full of doctor bills. I was planning on waiting another three weeks to cycle (8 total) but when i read you post i got excited. Good info

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[boness]

Mr. Rowland, I'm new, and hopeful you can help.
Basics: I am a 40s male with limited use of my legs due to injury to spine some 20 yrs ago. Additionally due to same CNS does not deliver the Testosterone nor Thyroid production message fully. Duly I am on physician prescribed injectable test and oral usd thyroid. While my counts are not extreme I am on sufficient amounts to register in the high normal.
Lifting: Via primarily upper body free weight and machine lifting and body weight only wall squats (I can secure myself via holding on to rails) I have good strength and size where feasible.
Question: Essencially using limited upper body strength movements only and with no cardio of note, is there any substance I can combine with these two meds in order to maximize Fat loss without significant muscle loss and ideailly gains? thank you

[frontlinemorgue]

I ran a cycle about a year ago of test enathanate and deca and had pretty good gains. I was looking to get into another cycle now any suggestions on what would be good to get back into I wanted to also put on a lot of weight so maybe dbol or something