You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Here's a quick question. I have been watching some video of various pro BB training and I consistently see them not going for full lock out on bench over head press etc. Hell, Ronnie Coleman seems to only bench press halfway up. What do you think about this technique? I think they are so strong that they feel the need to not lock out in order to put less strain on their tendons. I always go for max extension. Why would they do it like this and do you recommend it for me? I would give it a try if you have joint/tendon issues and if it really helps then you can train that way! The lockout is basically palcing more emphasis on the triceps so you can still get a good shoulder/chest workout by not locking out. Thanks Ron.

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie, ive been reading up on peoples views on receptor saturation but i think its a myth, do you think that cortisol and the body trying to reach homoeostasis is the main factor behind growth slowing from aas? i believe rising cortisol levels is probably the main culprit. Because if you think about it, when we fail to control cortisol levels by eating the proper diet and not over-training, we can take a ton of anabolic steroids and still lose muscle and strength! Also of utter importance is myostain levels! Having high blood myostatin levels will certainly prevent a person from being able to reach their genetic potential, or even get big for that matter-hence the need to do your best to keep myostain levels suppressed. Obviously, genetics play a large role in myostatin levels but after around 8 week of being on anabolics myostatin levels rise. know alot of people blast and cruise, sometimes cruising for 6-8 weeks but if receptor saturation doesnt occur then wouldnt 2 weeks deloading be enough before another reload? 2 weeks is about as good as it gets. if you dont mind me asking is this what you do also? I was planning to contiuously reload-deload throughout the year but my pec tear forced me not to. I can train now so my plan was 1200mg test 750mg tren then deload with 300mg test and hcg contiunously. But my question is at what point do you think i would have to up doses or introduce a different compound, it'as best to up dosage during 2nd - 8 week reloads and further increase calories in order to deter homeostasis as much as possible. and is that due to the body adapting to doses? Also ive been taking your advice and switched to 20 mins moderate intensity cardio from 40 mins low intensity and its worked much better. great! ive always read that low intensity would dip into fat stores on low carbs but i find moderate intensity much better. yes, it is! thanks

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

excellent thread ronnie, im wanting to do a low dose cycle as this is only my second time using, and the last time was 5 years ago.......

Week 1-8 test e 250mg per week
week 9-10 test e 125 mg per week
week 11-18 test e 250mg per week and tren e 160mg per week
week 19-20 test e 125mg per week and tren e 80mg per week

pct hcg , clomid and nolva........

Is this cyle weak/useless? Or will i see decent gains? this cycle is usless as it would only be enough test to provide what an endocrinologist would prescibe for hrt( hormone replacement therapy). If you are that afraid of testosterone then don't do it is my advice!thanks for your time mate.

above

[energizer bunny]

Thank you for the reply Ronnie, much appreciated.....I am not afraid of testosterone lol, i just thought that starting as low as possible would be the best way, as i plan to be using on and off for a good few years now..........ok how does this sound

weeks 1-8 test e 500mg
weeks 9-10 test e 250mg
weeks 11-18 test e 500mg per week and winstrol 50mg/a day
weeks 19-20 test e 250mg
pct, nolva and clomid...

thanks for your time.

[yaston2003]

Thanks again ronnie for the input. Very much appreciate the fact that you took the time to read my post and provided feedback! Thanks again

[Ronnie Rowland]

thank you for the reply ronnie, much appreciated.....i am not afraid of testosterone lol, i just thought that starting as low as possible would be the best way, as i plan to be using on and off for a good few years now..........ok how does this sound much better and i would be cautious with running winstrol 8 weeks if you have joint/tendon problems as it dries them out! Also, you need hcg first and foremost for the most effective pct! weeks 1-8 test e 500mg
weeks 9-10 test e 250mg
weeks 11-18 test e 500mg per week and winstrol 50mg/a day
weeks 19-20 test e 250mg
pct, nolva and clomid...

Thanks for your time.

above

[Marvin]

Gday Ronnie just been reading thru this thread and i hope you will be able to help me out. I am looking at starting a cycle with Tren Ethanate now i have never used anything at all before so its all new to me, i have a guy that will be helping me out but i was after another opinion. I am currently a little over weight but am exercisng and losing it all quickly my mate has informed me that Tren Ethanate would be the best for me as i want to bulk up as well as shed that little extra fat. Would you recomend Tren Ethanate as a beginner? any help much appreciated.
Marvin

[Tuskut]

Hi Ronnie!

Thanks for a great thread and Your advices to us.

Can I apply Your methods with plain orals? I know they are thought to be somewhat liver toxic but they are the only ones available atm.

I have 100 pcs 50mg Oxys and 250 pcs of 10mgs Winstrols, and can get more...

Im thinking about:

8 weeks 50mgs Oxy ed, 20 mgs Win ed
2 weeks 25mgs Oxy ed
8 weeks 50mgs Oxy ed 30 mgs Win ed
Then PCT.

What is Your opinion on this?

Thanks in advance!

[BJJ]

Ciao Ronnie, what do you think about my 4th cycle?
Grazie

FRONTLOAD (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 1 Testosterone Sustanon * 540 mg [UG] [Morning] (ttl 540 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 1 Somatropin 24 iu ed [UG] [Early Morning/Morning/Afternoon, 7/7] (ttl 168 iu)
Week 1 L-Thyroxine 150 mcg ed [PG] [Early Morning] (ttl 700 mcg)

BULK 1 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 2-9 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed [UG] [Morning] (ttl 5600 mg) {Arachis Oil}
Week 2-9 Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg eod [UG] [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/w/f/su]
Week 2-9 Boldenone Undecylenate 600 mg ew [UG] [Morning] (ttl 4800 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 2-9 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [UG] [Evening] (ttl 200 mg) [m/th]
Week 2-9 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 250 iu e3.5d [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu) [m/th]

BRIDGE (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 10-13 Testosterone Sustanon 270 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 1080 mg)
Week 10-13 Boldenone Undecylenate 500 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 2000 mg)
Week 10-13 Mesterolone 50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 1400 mg)
Week 10-13 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 112 iu)
Week 10-13 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 2800 mcg)

BULK 2 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 14-17 Boldenone Undecylenate 800 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg)
Week 14-19 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 6300 mg)
Week 14-19 Mesterolone 100 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 4200 mg)
Week 14-19 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 150 mg)
Week 14-19 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 1500 iu 1stw - 250 iu e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu)
Week 19 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 28 iu)
Week 19 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 70 mcg)

PCT (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 20-23 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/50/50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 2450 mg)
Week 20-25 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/20/20/20/20/20 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 980 mg)
Week 20-26 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 196 iu)
Week 20-26 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 4900 mcg)
Week 27 Human Menopausal Gonadotropin 75 mg eod [PG] [Evening] (ttl 225 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 27 Exemestane 12.5 mg eod [Evening] (ttl 37.5 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 28 Glutathione 600 mg ed [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4.200 mg)

* 270 mg of Testosterone Blend contain:
1. Testosterone Acetate (20 mg)
2. Testosterone Propionate (30 mg)
3. Testosterone Phenylpropionate (60 mg)
4. Testosterone Isocaproate (60 mg)
5. Testosterone Decanoate (100 mg)

1st Cycle: ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)
2nd Cycle: TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION Cycle (+ PROP, EQ, ANAVAR, HGH, PROVIRON)
3rd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...NPP-EQ-DBOL%29

Results: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...es-%28DEXAs%29

[Old_usmcgrunt]

Ronnie, between of my work (which requires a lot of traveling), family and other activities, I'm looking to REALLY simplify my gear use. So, my question based on your sling shot technique is:
-8 weeks "ON" of Test E (500/week for start then gradually increasing and maxing at say 750/week toward last couple of weeks)
-2 weeks "OFF" everything (no PCT), except maybe HCG

---Repeat the above indefinetely?---

How does this cycle sound Ronnie!

I'm 49 y/o and have been doing 12 week cycles of Test E and EQ for last couple of cycles (including dex 0.5/ED about 1/2 way through cycle) with PCT plus 12 weeks time off. VERY tired of the yo-yoing myself!

[SirLiftALOT]

Is HCG truly nescesary Ron ? Ive read so many conflicting articles . Ive done two simple cycles and recovered fine with Torem . Whats your input on this ?

[Ronnie Rowland]

gday ronnie just been reading thru this thread and i hope you will be able to help me out. I am looking at starting a cycle with tren ethanate now i have never used anything at all before so its all new to me, i have a guy that will be helping me out but i was after another opinion. I am currently a little over weight but am exercisng and losing it all quickly my mate has informed me that tren ethanate would be the best for me as i want to bulk up as well as shed that little extra fat. Would you recomend tren ethanate as a beginner? i do not recommend tren-e for a beginner. Stick to test-e and you'll do fine. Diet has more to do with fat loss that specific steroids!any help much appreciated.
Marvin

above

[The Titan99]

Ciao Ronnie, what do you think about my 4th cycle?
Grazie

FRONTLOAD (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 1 Testosterone Sustanon * 540 mg [UG] [Morning] (ttl 540 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 1 Somatropin 24 iu ed [UG] [Early Morning/Morning/Afternoon, 7/7] (ttl 168 iu)
Week 1 L-Thyroxine 150 mcg ed [PG] [Early Morning] (ttl 700 mcg)

BULK 1 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 2-9 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed [UG] [Morning] (ttl 5600 mg) {Arachis Oil}
Week 2-9 Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg eod [UG] [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/w/f/su]
Week 2-9 Boldenone Undecylenate 600 mg ew [UG] [Morning] (ttl 4800 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 2-9 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [UG] [Evening] (ttl 200 mg) [m/th]
Week 2-9 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 250 iu e3.5d [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu) [m/th]

BRIDGE (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 10-13 Testosterone Sustanon 270 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 1080 mg)
Week 10-13 Boldenone Undecylenate 500 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 2000 mg)
Week 10-13 Mesterolone 50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 1400 mg)
Week 10-13 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 112 iu)
Week 10-13 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 2800 mcg)

BULK 2 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 14-17 Boldenone Undecylenate 800 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg)
Week 14-19 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 6300 mg)
Week 14-19 Mesterolone 100 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 4200 mg)
Week 14-19 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 150 mg)
Week 14-19 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 1500 iu 1stw - 250 iu e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu)
Week 19 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 28 iu)
Week 19 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 70 mcg)

PCT (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 20-23 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/50/50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 2450 mg)
Week 20-25 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/20/20/20/20/20 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 980 mg)
Week 20-26 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 196 iu)
Week 20-26 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 4900 mcg)
Week 27 Human Menopausal Gonadotropin 75 mg eod [PG] [Evening] (ttl 225 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 27 Exemestane 12.5 mg eod [Evening] (ttl 37.5 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 28 Glutathione 600 mg ed [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4.200 mg)

* 270 mg of Testosterone Blend contain:
1. Testosterone Acetate (20 mg)
2. Testosterone Propionate (30 mg)
3. Testosterone Phenylpropionate (60 mg)
4. Testosterone Isocaproate (60 mg)
5. Testosterone Decanoate (100 mg)

1st Cycle: ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)
2nd Cycle: TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION Cycle (+ PROP, EQ, ANAVAR, HGH, PROVIRON)
3rd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...NPP-EQ-DBOL%29

Results: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...es-%28DEXAs%29

Sorry to get off topic, but you have the most detailed and thoughtful cycles I've every seen. Right on Bro!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie!

Thanks for a great thread and Your advices to us.

Can I apply Your methods with plain orals? I know they are thought to be somewhat liver toxic but they are the only ones available atm.

I have 100 pcs 50mg Oxys and 250 pcs of 10mgs Winstrols, and can get more...

Im thinking about:

8 weeks 50mgs Oxy ed, 20 mgs Win ed
2 weeks 25mgs Oxy ed
8 weeks 50mgs Oxy ed 30 mgs Win ed
Then PCT.

What is Your opinion on this? Well, you can run an all oral cycle as listed above but you may have problems functioning sexually because neither anavar or winstrol converts to estrogen and neither of these drugs are ranked high on the androgenicity scale. You want estrogens and androgens for an increase in libido and gains-hence the reason test works so good as a base for all cycles.
Thanks in advance!

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ciao Ronnie, what do you think about my 4th cycle?
Grazie

FRONTLOAD (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 1 Testosterone Sustanon * 540 mg [UG] [Morning] (ttl 540 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 1 Somatropin 24 iu ed [UG] [Early Morning/Morning/Afternoon, 7/7] (ttl 168 iu)
Week 1 L-Thyroxine 150 mcg ed [PG] [Early Morning] (ttl 700 mcg)

BULK 1 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 2-9 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed [UG] [Morning] (ttl 5600 mg) {Arachis Oil}
Week 2-9 Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg eod [UG] [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/w/f/su]
Week 2-9 Boldenone Undecylenate 600 mg ew [UG] [Morning] (ttl 4800 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 2-9 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [UG] [Evening] (ttl 200 mg) [m/th]
Week 2-9 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 250 iu e3.5d [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu) [m/th]

BRIDGE (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 10-13 Testosterone Sustanon 270 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 1080 mg)
Week 10-13 Boldenone Undecylenate 500 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 2000 mg)
Week 10-13 Mesterolone 50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 1400 mg)
Week 10-13 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 112 iu)
Week 10-13 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 2800 mcg)

BULK 2 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 14-17 Boldenone Undecylenate 800 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg)
Week 14-19 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 6300 mg)
Week 14-19 Mesterolone 100 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 4200 mg)
Week 14-19 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 150 mg)
Week 14-19 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 1500 iu 1stw - 250 iu e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu)
Week 19 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 28 iu)
Week 19 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 70 mcg)

PCT (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 20-23 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/50/50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 2450 mg)
Week 20-25 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/20/20/20/20/20 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 980 mg)
Week 20-26 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 196 iu)
Week 20-26 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 4900 mcg)
Week 27 Human Menopausal Gonadotropin 75 mg eod [PG] [Evening] (ttl 225 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 27 Exemestane 12.5 mg eod [Evening] (ttl 37.5 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 28 Glutathione 600 mg ed [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4.200 mg)

* 270 mg of Testosterone Blend contain:
1. Testosterone Acetate (20 mg)
2. Testosterone Propionate (30 mg)
3. Testosterone Phenylpropionate (60 mg)
4. Testosterone Isocaproate (60 mg)
5. Testosterone Decanoate (100 mg)

1st Cycle: ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)
2nd Cycle: TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION Cycle (+ PROP, EQ, ANAVAR, HGH, PROVIRON)
3rd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...NPP-EQ-DBOL%29

Results: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...es-%28DEXAs%29

[B]You have made nice progress during your first 3 reloads so I think your 4th reload looks good. GREAT WORK BY THE WAY![/B]

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, between of my work (which requires a lot of traveling), family and other activities, I'm looking to REALLY simplify my gear use. So, my question based on your sling shot technique is:
-8 weeks "ON" of Test E (500/week for start then gradually increasing and maxing at say 750/week toward last couple of weeks)
-2 weeks "OFF" everything (no PCT), except maybe HCG

---Repeat the above indefinetely?---

How does this cycle sound Ronnie! This cycle is not good for avoiding the yo-yo effect. You want to start out with 750 mgs of test from the3 beginning and drop down to 250 during the 2 week deload not go off and do pct. During second 8 week reload increase test and or add in another compound. 20 weeks cycles are best IMO before PCT. At you age I would never go off for pct but rather do HRT during down times.I'm 49 y/o and have been doing 12 week cycles of Test E and EQ for last couple of cycles (including dex 0.5/ED about 1/2 way through cycle) with PCT plus 12 weeks time off. VERY tired of the yo-yoing myself!

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Is HCG truly nescesary Ron ? Ive read so many conflicting articles . Ive done two simple cycles and recovered fine with Torem . Whats your input on this ?

HCG is best but not neccesary if you can recovery without it.

[BJJ]

thank you

[Crazyltn187]

Hey hows it going? I was thinking of jumping on my first cycle and was wondering if you could lend some of your expert advice :P

I was originally going to jump on a 12 week straight cycle but after reading your post you've convinced me to deload after the 8th week. I wanted to know if you think it would be a good idea to just go on for 8 weeks, deload, and then when i start back again just stay on prop but increase the dosages to about 1-1.5 mil every second day for 4 weeks? (I dont want to be on a cycle for 20 weeks so maybe jumping on for 4 weeks after deloading is enough?)

For my cycle i wanted to take Test E or Sus250 (which one would you recommended?), Prop and maybe Deca .
I was going to start of with Test E/Sus250 with 2 mils a week (Monday and Thursdays) and to kickstart it i wanted to take a bit of Prop in between somewhere in the first couple of weeks...

Ive read so many conflicting articles that i wanted to see what you would advise me to do considering the steroids i can get (Deca, Sus/Test E, and Prop).

Im not too sure as to how much deca i should take though every week?

Would something like this be good?
Week 1-2 - Prop? Sus250/Test E (2 mils a week, ie. aprox 500mg)
2-8 - Sus250/Test E (1 mil x 2 - Monday and Thursday, ie. aprox 500mg all up)
8-10 - Deload - .5 mil (Mondays and Thursday)
10-14 - Prop - 1-1.5 mil every second day
14-? PCT?

I know its a bit all over the place but i was hoping you could help me fill the gaps and just give me some advice on what you think would work best... I dont want to get too big but also want to get leaner towards the end of my cycle


Edit: im currently 23 years old, been training for about 5 years now on and off, and i weigh about 75kg (have no clue how tall i am but i think im about 175cm

[Tuskut]

Thanks m8 for the reply.

The gear is not anavar though, its oxymetholone that should convert to testo or similar hence at my last set i got the morning erections back

The sexual drive is not important as Im married so...

The main things I am worried about are blood pressure and liver with orals w/ as long set as this.

Also Im thinking about taking 100mgs of oxy ed after the 2 weeks pause for the remaining 8 weeks.

What is Your opionion about that?

If I have understanded correctly; neither oxy or statzonol converts to estrogen so easily. At my last cycle my balls shrinked to peanuts so is there any way to prevent this besides drugs that are not available atm? No gyno at the last set so that is not an issue.

Thanks man for your time!

[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
I'm on a cycle of Test, Mast, Tren blend and suffering from really bad joint pain in the inside of my elbows, right at the top of my inner forearms. This makes workouts difficult, particularly heavy bicep curls, hammer curls and reverse curls even with low weight are actually quite painfull.
I have decided i'm gonna add some Deca in the mix to see if this eleviates the pain. I need some advise on how much to use per week and how long it should take to see results. I know that deca is slow acting in terms of building strength and mass (up to 6 weeks to see results) but i'm talking about joint pain eleviation. Would I need to wait the same amount of time to see results? Also, where would be the best place to inject in my case? Considering that the problem is in my arms, I would have thought, the best place to inject would be in my delts, bi's or tri's, as it's closer to the problem area, rather than my quads or glutes for example. Is my chain of thought correct?
Thanks.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron,
Just wanted to say that today is the last day of my 3rd reload in a row and the results have been nothing short of astounding. People that know me keep coming up and asking me about what my new method is and I refer them right here. Last night I did legs and am making massive gains in strength, size, weight and reps right through to the end. I know you heard this before, but it feels like I could just keep on reloading. I've read posts to this affect and I won't make you tell me what I know you think already. I will deload as prescribed in your system, then start PCT and a new reload and really kick some ass!! Thanks a lot for all your advise!! Your the MAN!!!

[yaston2003]

Quick question, for maximum chest development: when doing flat/incline/decline bench press, do you recommend keeping your elbows flared out(during the whole movement), shoulder blades pinch, a slight arc in the back and bring the bar below your nipple/upper abs? I have read many different views regarding this technique, I want to know what the best way for the slingshot training routine . thanks

[Zenith]

I should first start by saying this was the most informative and well-written text on bodybuilding protocol of all the online information I've seen.

So here's my questions:
I'm about to complete my first ever cycle (D-bol, Sustanon , Deca , along w/clomid 50mg/day and anastrozole 1/2mg/day on cycle). Eight week cycle. I'm 34. 6'0. 170+lbs. 1 year in the gym of truly working out.

I intend to deload for the next two weeks. I was using (at most) 1000mg of sustanon and 6 to 8 ML of deca each week while on cycle (I realize this is high but I wasn't getting the results with the lower dosages for the first 4 weeks I tried).

I have discontinued d-bol (at least for the next 8 weeks).

Should I deload at 250-500mg per week of sustanon and just about 75-100mg per week of deca?

I intend to add Tomoxifen 20mg/day during this two week period and continue taking 1/2mg Anastrozole and 50mg Clomid for PCT - maybe even 100mg Clomid/day. After the two week deload, I intend to return to 1000mg of Sustanon without the deca and without the dbol for awhile, and with the same PCT items. Does it sound like I'm covering all the bases properly?

Any other comments are welcome. And thank you, Ronnie!

[bigdaddyets]

Wow!!!

[bigdaddyets]

That's a lot to take in but wanted to say thanks for taking the time to "really" explain. Really cool!

[UnNatural-E]

Ronnie,

I have been reading these forums for quite a while before I decided to get an account. I would like to say that your threads have been the ones I've learned the most from so far.
I have competed natuarally in several bb competitions. I have recently started my first cycle (D-bol 50mg ED for 3 weeks, 1cc test enth & 1cc decca twice a week) and Im currently in week 5. I have put on about 30lbs and Im sure a lot of its fat too, lol. I can not believe how strong I got but my gains are starting to taper now.
I have several months to my next competition. I am very intriuged by your strategy and want to use it to my advantage but time seems to be a problem unless you can help. I thought about doing three modified blast with 7 week reloads and only 10 day deloads (no bridge or aas or pct during deload) then switch to my 16 week diet phase along with cutting aas.
As of today I have 19 weeks until my 16 week diet starts.
I believe you have the patience of Jobe and I would be very greatful for any help you can give me. I am pumped about your slingshot training and look foward to seeing the results.
Oh, almost forgot!! I am about 5'11, 215 lbs, around 15% bf, and 30 years old. I am eating right at 4,000 calories a day with an some junk meals on leg day.
Thanks a bunch

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey guys you can see my wife on ABC television tommorow jan 23rd at 8pm eastern time on EXTREME MAKEOVER-home edition. http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...com%2F&h=e42de

[energizer bunny]

Thanks for your reply ronnie,post 2206.....i will definately add HCG into PCT thanks..

ok another question, could i use d-bol in the first 8 week reload and then winstrol in the second 8 week reload, so a type of bulk then cut?

week 1-8 test e 500mg, D-bol 30mg a day
week 9-10 test e 250mg
week 11-18 test e 500mg, winstrol 50mg a day
week 19-20 test e 250mg

PCT hcg, clomid,nolva

i also have arimedex for on cycle.

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks m8 for the reply.

The gear is not anavar though, its oxymetholone that should convert to testo or similar hence at my last set i got the morning erections back i must have misread this the first time around. Do not mix winstrol with anadrol. Use one oral for first reload and the otyher for second reload.the sexual drive is not important as im married so...well, it might be if you want to get married..lolthe main things i am worried about are blood pressure and liver with orals w/ as long set as this.

Also im thinking about taking 100mgs of oxy ed after the 2 weeks pause for the remaining 8 weeks.

What is your opionion about that? It really depends. some people would do fine running anadrol this long where as others do not. It all has to do with your genetics and how many sides you get from anadrol. Some can take it 2 weeks max before having to stop due to side effects where as some can run it 16 weeks and be no worse liver health wise. My advice is take the cautious route ande keep anadrol cycles to 8 weeks max. Test is much safer than any orals imo!if i have understanded correctly; neither oxy or statzonol converts to estrogen so easily. no,anadrol converts to estrogen at a high rate! at my last cycle my balls shrinked to peanuts so is there any way to prevent this besides drugs that are not available atm? no! no gyno at the last set so that is not an issue.

Thanks man for your time!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,
i'm on a cycle of test, mast, tren blend and suffering from really bad joint pain in the inside of my elbows, right at the top of my inner forearms. This makes workouts difficult, particularly heavy bicep curls, hammer curls and reverse curls even with low weight are actually quite painfull. i get this same pain in those elbows and it's a real problem at times!i have decided i'm gonna add some deca in the mix to see if this eleviates the pain. I need some advise on how much to use per week and how long it should take to see results. I know that deca is slow acting in terms of building strength and mass (up to 6 weeks to see results) but i'm talking about joint pain eleviation. Would i need to wait the same amount of time to see results? i would take 400 mgs per week in one weekly injection and do higher reps for two weeks and by then you will see improvement! also, where would be the best place to inject in my case? Considering that the problem is in my arms, i would have thought, the best place to inject would be in my delts, bi's or tri's, as it's closer to the problem area, rather than my quads or glutes for example. Is my chain of thought correct? it won't matter where you inject! thanks.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron,
just wanted to say that today is the last day of my 3rd reload in a row and the results have been nothing short of astounding. People that know me keep coming up and asking me about what my new method is and i refer them right here. Last night i did legs and am making massive gains in strength, size, weight and reps right through to the end. I know you heard this before, but it feels like i could just keep on reloading. I've read posts to this affect and i won't make you tell me what i know you think already. I will deload as prescribed in your system, then start pct and a new reload and really kick some ass!! Thanks a lot for all your advise!! Your the man!!!

glad to see you making great progress! You do not have to pct just bridge during deload and then back on full speed ahead!

[UnNatural-E]

Hey guys you can see my wife on ABC television tommorow jan 23rd at 8pm eastern time on EXTREME MAKEOVER-home edition. http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...com%2F&h=e42de

Saw the episode last night. It was pretty cool. The girls looked pretty good! Girl power

[camlam]

Hey Ronnie i know its been covered but i cant take anymore reading lol.
Im 26 170 lbs been doing STS for the last 14 months naturaly and now im ready to do my first cycle planned on Test E for 20 weeks.
Just looking for a straight answer on dosage how much for how many weeks.
When to use HCG and dosage for that.
and what PCT to use dosage nad for how long.
also what else to have on hand just in case.
It seems that every post i read for a first cycle everyone says something different and since it took me a year to convince the wife i really dont want to have any major sides or problems during the cycle.
and i also know i can trust what you say.
Thanks

[norburt]

glad to see you making great progress! You do not have to pct just bridge during deload and then back on full speed ahead!

ronnie i was reading up on your article about slingshot training. one questions, you mention 12 worksets for reload 8 week when it comes to chest workouts. does the same apply to smaller muscle groups such as biceps? 12 worksets for that day on biceps for that day 1 time a week? thanks

[The Titan99]

glad to see you making great progress! You do not have to pct just bridge during deload and then back on full speed ahead!

Wow, do I ever want to do that!! I'm 46 years old and I didn't do blood work before this cycle, but I would guess I was a candidate for HRT before that. I live permanantly in Thailand where steroids are legal AND very cheap. I've done 4 cycles previously, but always 10-12 weeks then PCT. I've just been drummed with time on = time off + PCT for so long that it's hard to change the attitude. That said, it was really made apparent to me with these 3 reloads in a row that this is the way for me to steadily make gains. How would I go about blood work if I bridged this one and just continued on? Will PCT be markedly harder 20 weeks from now, or would it be the same as it would be now? I've read everything you've wrote and I suppose you'd suggest staying on indefinitely at my age. What do you think about this Ron?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Quick question, for maximum chest development: when doing flat/incline/decline bench press, do you recommend keeping your elbows flared out(during the whole movement), shoulder blades pinch, a slight arc in the back and bring the bar below your nipple/upper abs? I have read many different views regarding this technique, I want to know what the best way for the slingshot training routine . thanks Keep elbows pretty well flared out during flat and declines but keep them in a bit more to the sides when doing inclines. Bring bar to nipple line (not below) when doing declines and flat. For inclines bring bar down to chest about two thirds of the way up on chest not to the neck as this causes shoulder problems. Also of utter importance is the angle of incline and decline used. 10-15 degreees on both movements is best IMO.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie,

I have been reading these forums for quite a while before I decided to get an account. I would like to say that your threads have been the ones I've learned the most from so far.
I have competed natuarally in several bb competitions. I have recently started my first cycle (D-bol 50mg ED for 3 weeks, 1cc test enth & 1cc decca twice a week) and Im currently in week 5. I have put on about 30lbs and Im sure a lot of its fat too, lol. I can not believe how strong I got but my gains are starting to taper now.
I have several months to my next competition. I am very intriuged by your strategy and want to use it to my advantage but time seems to be a problem unless you can help. I thought about doing three modified blast with 7 week reloads and only 10 day deloads (no bridge or aas or pct during deload) then switch to my 16 week diet phase along with cutting aas.
As of today I have 19 weeks until my 16 week diet starts.
I believe you have the patience of Jobe and I would be very greatful for any help you can give me. I am pumped about your slingshot training and look foward to seeing the results.
Oh, almost forgot!! I am about 5'11, 215 lbs, around 15% bf, and 30 years old. I am eating right at 4,000 calories a day with an some junk meals on leg day.
Thanks a bunch

Do a 20 week slingshot cycle (comprised of 2 reloads and 2 deloads) and decrease diet to 15 weeks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Saw the episode last night. It was pretty cool. The girls looked pretty good! Girl power

Unfortunately they did not show the girls tearing down the house like they were supposed to. My wife was on there 3 times but it was sooo fast you could barely see here.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie i know its been covered but i cant take anymore reading lol.
Im 26 170 lbs been doing STS for the last 14 months naturaly and now im ready to do my first cycle planned on Test E for 20 weeks.
Just looking for a straight answer on dosage how much for how many weeks. 500 mgs first 8 weeks, 200 mgs weeks 9-10. 750-1000 mgs of test weeks 11-18. 200 mgs of test weeks 19-20. When to use HCG and dosage for that. week 21 use hcg eod at 2500 iu for up to 3 weeksand what PCT to use dosage nad for how long.
also what else to have on hand just in case. get some nolvadex in case of gynoIt seems that every post i read for a first cycle everyone says something different and since it took me a year to convince the wife i really dont want to have any major sides or problems during the cycle.
and i also know i can trust what you say. you'll be fine!Thanks

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