**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[Bodacious]

This really has hit home for me as my last cycle went too long without a proper pullback... And BW is key as we all know... If you asked me this maybe 2months ago I may have said I'm going to blast and cruise instead if maintain and re-open(prime) my growth window... This past cycle made me realize the benefits of listening to your body and also with how we train - I can't see myself giving ALL MY INTENSITY AND STRENGTH(day in and day out) w/out the proper rest(which I was doing - still strong as hell but at what cost... Furthermore, if your weight is stalling on cycle then most likely your growth window has closed - hard to take in but it's the truth... Listen to the more experienced members here(AG/Kel/Marcus etc) as they want us to turn fvkin heads but not at our healths expense!

Nach

Nach question for you. You said if your weight has has stalled on cycle then your growth window has closed? Why wouldn't you just up your cals to keep it open?

Might be a dumb question? Or the dumb question could be not asking the question at all.

Thanks.

[Bodacious]

Ask me that a few years ago and my answer would be different, I was an animal yrs ago with cycling and experiment but at what cost??? was I interested in what it would cost me NO I was wasn't, I just wanted to be the biggest most thickest guy around and noting was going to stop me.

Yes, I am a lover of shorter cycles, they work better for me in many ways.

What's safe for you or anyone else = how long is a piece of string but for thing is for sure longer cycles aren't the answer if they were I would be 500lbs+ at 5% bf. I would say blood work should govern you to how many cycles are best for you and also how you feel and if its effecting your life in a negative way.

I know something which is easy to see around the BB world and that's to many people are cycling to often and with to much that's for sure and they are not concentrating on training like we do in here and the diets. I hold a lot of tissue with one to two cycles per yrs and that's from my training and diet.

I did one 5 yrs spell within the last 20 yrs without cycling at all, this is when I was going through low T, I lost a lot of tissue but I still turned some head but the first 18 months were bad then I started to gain again naturally. Ive got some pics of me then around 3 yrs in without any gear, will post it up.

Just be educated

Thanks big man! Nice post

[Bodacious]

Just got back from fasted cardio nothing major slow pace. Did some forearm work also, stretched and and got out. Going to crush some food this afternoon. Love this sh*t. LOL...

Just want to get bigger!!! My wife said I was getting to big I laughed and said no such thing. The bigger I am the small these people are. She laughed.

[clarky.]

Arms this morning, wife was sleeping and I've been up since about 4am.

Tris

Warmed up with a free motion machine, forget name. Basically a one arm overhead movement except pulling in front.

Smith close grip

Rope pull downs straight into reverse grip ez bar pull down

One arm over head using cables, straight into Cabel kick backs.

Bi's

Short bar wider grip curls

Ez bar reverse grip curls

Close grip hammer strength preacher curls

Cable rope curls

Is this a good way of hitting a muscle group? Incorporating each different grip in ONE session. Or changing grips in different sessions are better?

Nice session Sfla.

[NACH3]

Nach question for you. You said if your weight has has stalled on cycle then your growth window has closed? Why wouldn't you just up your cals to keep it open?

Might be a dumb question? Or the dumb question could be not asking the question at all.

Thanks.

Well when your already eating in a surplus it really won't make a difference - I started to lose weight so that made me realize it was over... Most grow the most w/in 8 wks and after that I've noticed it's more leaning out with the added strength!

Upping cals doesn't necessarily mean your re-opening up a growth window... Hence the talks about the shorter 6wk blasts(or cycles)... I'm learning with HIT 12+ wks is almost too hard to do TRUE HIT IMHO! We're all different but when I run short esters which I prefer - I won't go past 8wks anymore -- and next yr I'm shooting for 5-6wk cycles - then pre-cycle prime into another growth window then back at it(note it may take more than time on to get or re-open that window... Just my experiences thus far

[Bodacious]

Well when your already eating in a surplus it really won't make a difference - I started to lose weight so that made me realize it was over... Most grow the most w/in 8 wks and after that I've noticed it's more leaning out with the added strength!

Upping cals doesn't necessarily mean your re-opening up a growth window... Hence the talks about the shorter 6wk blasts(or cycles)... I'm learning with HIT 12+ wks is almost too hard to do TRUE HIT IMHO! We're all different but when I run short esters which I prefer - I won't go past 8wks anymore -- and next yr I'm shooting for 5-6wk cycles - then pre-cycle prime into another growth window then back at it(note it may take more than time on to get or re-open that window... Just my experiences thus far

Thanks for the info Nach!! Fvck Yea! lol



I got to get off here for a while. LOL I got to do something.

[Hazard]

Tomorrow is my private 1hr training session with Ian. He wants to talk a bit too so I should be there a while.

I'm carbing up tonight and tmrw morning. Trying to get in 3 meals before 10am.

[NACH3]

Tomorrow is my private 1hr training session with Ian. He wants to talk a bit too so I should be there a while.

I'm carbing up tonight and tmrw morning. Trying to get in 3 meals before 10am.

Let us know how you get on Haz!

[NACH3]

So I had a great session yesterday and thought I was losing size but I don't think that is the case - I may be leaner...

Arms -- PULLBACK still
Bis
DB alt curls
2warm up sets - 1w 5 drop 4 drop 2-3

Incline curls**new weight**
Warm up 1feeler 1w 8 drop 4-5 + partials

Preachers off back of incline
1w 6(2forced into neg) drop 4(2forced into neg) Hells yeah fvkin arms exploded

CG Cables
1w 8+RP/1.5
Tris
CG Bench Smith
2warm ups 2feelers(kept it lighter 335) 1w 8 drop(same weight) 4-5 burned out w/225

Lying DB ext behind head slow
2w 8/5 drop 3

V-grip pushdownsstrong on these
Stack - 10+ again 4(no break)

One hand rev cable pushdowns
1w 6 drop 3(2forced into neg) drop 3(2forced into neg)

Weights done in 42min snapped a pic to see if I lost any size

[kelkel]

Weights done in 42min snapped a pic to see if I lost any size

Training in a "crack" house?

[Bio-Active]

Looking great Nach.. Your funny it takes time to loose size. You would have to be eating less and loosing training intensity and we know that's not the case

[NACH3]

Training in a "crack" house?

Whaaaaat?? Bathroom selfie - I tell people move get out my way of put clothes on lmao

LMFAO, Kel...Haha just saw that fat arse(crack and all) lmao LOLOL!!!!

[NACH3]

Looking great Nach.. Your funny it takes time to loose size. You would have to be eating less and loosing training intensity and we know that's not the case

Thx brother! & so true... Mind games lol

[Bio-Active]

Thx brother! & so true... Mind games lol

it is just keep pushing toward your doing great

[NACH3]

it is just keep pushing toward your doing great

Definitely... I've learned so much about my body and what type of rest I need and what NOT to do again(all in 1-2months)!

Thanks Bio, and you know I will surely keep pushing to better myself(one up myself each session) day in & day out - that's what it's all about my friend

[BG]

Training in a "crack" house?

hahahahahahahahaha oh shit I just nearly choked and died on my food!! Funniest pic ever.

[BG]

Epic fuking picture !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[NACH3]

hahahahahahahahaha oh shit I just nearly choked and died on my food!! Funniest pic ever.

At first I was like huh... Opened it up and saw 'that' -- I lost it too lolol(fvkin classic now)

[Igifuno]

At first I was like huh... Opened it up and saw 'that' -- I lost it too lolol(fvkin classic now)

LMAO.. That's the money shot right there. Looking mean NACH.

[NACH3]

LMAO.. That's the money shot right there. Looking mean NACH.

TY Sir!
Fvk Me Laughing

It's a classic/epic pic now... I'll think of this & laugh every time I see em' now

[Bodacious]

So I had a great session yesterday and thought I was losing size but I don't think that is the case - I may be leaner...

Arms -- PULLBACK still
Bis
DB alt curls
2warm up sets - 1w 5 drop 4 drop 2-3

Incline curls**new weight**
Warm up 1feeler 1w 8 drop 4-5 + partials

Preachers off back of incline
1w 6(2forced into neg) drop 4(2forced into neg) Hells yeah fvkin arms exploded

CG Cables
1w 8+RP/1.5
Tris
CG Bench Smith
2warm ups 2feelers(kept it lighter 335) 1w 8 drop(same weight) 4-5 burned out w/225

Lying DB ext behind head slow
2w 8/5 drop 3

V-grip pushdownsstrong on these
Stack - 10+ again 4(no break)

One hand rev cable pushdowns
1w 6 drop 3(2forced into neg) drop 3(2forced into neg)

Weights done in 42min snapped a pic to see if I lost any size

Lmao....hahaha....I got to catch up. Been eating Thanksgiving with the family. Bio wouldn't be happy with me right now. Because I have done ate a ton and going back for 4ths. Enjoying it guys not going to lie. Will be back on to catch up.

[Bio-Active]

Lmao....hahaha....I got to catch up. Been eating Thanksgiving with the family. Bio wouldn't be happy with me right now. Because I have done ate a ton and going back for 4ths. Enjoying it guys not going to lie. Will be back on to catch up.

It can and will mess up the whole week of hard work ...... just saying don't do it very often

[Hazard]

It can and will mess up the whole week of hard work ...... just saying don't do it very often

My abs are coming in and I eat ice cream daily :-p

I attribute it to training harder. I still don't do cardio haha. All that is coming to an end soon tho..... Can't be getting to 10% with a shit diet

[Bio-Active]

My abs are coming in and I eat ice cream daily :-p

I attribute it to training harder. I still don't do cardio haha. All that is coming to an end soon tho..... Can't be getting to 10% with a shit diet

As long as it fits in to your macros...... but yeah getting below 10 with ice cream not likely

[NACH3]

My abs are coming in and I eat ice cream daily :-p

I attribute it to training harder. I still don't do cardio haha. All that is coming to an end soon tho..... Can't be getting to 10% with a shit diet

Ok Kel :P lol

Whatcha think your at(%)

[Hazard]

Ok Kel :P lol Whatcha think your at(%)

NOT AT ALL like that bastid...... And his stupid genetics.

I hafta be about 12% now. Veins in the arms are out, delts and lats also. Abs are visible when flexed.

I'm not trying to lose fat at all right now tho. Just gain as much weight as possible until April. Then we'll hit the diet and cardio like nobodies business

[Bio-Active]

NOT AT ALL like that bastid...... And his stupid genetics. I hafta be about 12% now. Veins in the arms are out, delts and lats also. Abs are visible when flexed. I'm not trying to lose fat at all right now tho. Just gain as much weight as possible until April. Then we'll hit the diet and cardio like nobodies business

you must have some pretty good genetics brother. No matter how hard I train and diet there is no way I could eat ice cream every night and stay at 12% good job man

[almostgone]

Ugh, so tired. Drinking a shake and headed to.the shop in a bit. Abusing the arms before going to work

[Bio-Active]

Ugh, so tired. Drinking a shake and headed to.the shop in a bit. Abusing the arms before going to work

are you getting enough sleep?

[Bodacious]

It can and will mess up the whole week of hard work ...... just saying don't do it very often

Yea I agree with you. I only do it like this really twice a year Thanksgiving and Christmas. I was over do it and I know I do. But hopefully it will help me out tomorrow at the gym. Or thats what I am telling myself.

[Bio-Active]

Yea I agree with you. I only do it like this really twice a year Thanksgiving and Christmas. I was over do it and I know I do. But hopefully it will help me out tomorrow at the gym. Or thats what I am telling myself.

its fine brother you have to have a life. Just jump right back on the wagon and be strict. Now if you were training for a show I would say no way!

[almostgone]

are you getting enough sleep?

Yes sir, most days I do. I thinks it is just the endless work week screwing with me.

[Bio-Active]

Yes sir, most days I do. I thinks it is just the endless work week screwing with me.

drink more caffein that's what I do. My work day is 12 hrs 5 days each week. Sometimes 6. These last couple weeks have been bad. No days off I like my caffein

[kelkel]

My abs are coming in and I eat ice cream daily :-p

My brother!

As long as it fits in to your macros...... but yeah getting below 10 with ice cream not likely

I'll take that bet.

[Bodacious]

I am still laughing at that pic Nach!!!

Kel "you train at a crack house?"

HAHAHA....This is epic.

[Bio-Active]

My brother! I'll take that bet.

your the exception

[kelkel]

NOT AT ALL like that bastid...... And his stupid genetics.

I officially take back the "brother" comment up above.

[Bodacious]

your the exception

Right... He is a freak. It must be nice I bet Kel could eat a large pizza and it wouldn't show.

[almostgone]

drink more caffein that's what I do. My work day is 12 hrs 5 days each week. Sometimes 6. These last couple weeks have been bad. No days off I like my caffein

Yes sir, the wife put 3 Tbs of coffee in my shake so I should get cranking here in a few.

[NACH3]

K

NOT AT ALL like that bastid...... And his stupid genetics.

I hafta be about 12% now. Veins in the arms are out, delts and lats also. Abs are visible when flexed.

I'm not trying to lose fat at all right now tho. Just gain as much weight as possible until April. Then we'll hit the diet and cardio like nobodies business

Lmao... He's got sub 10% w/ice cream(b/c I don't see him sacrificing any of that - or BBQ CHICK Pizza) lol

I like it... Gain as much size as possible - gonna be fun!! Plus, no cardio etc at this point is great at 12% and abs/veins poppin(I still haven't don't hardly any cardio while lean bulking) but it'll be sick when you do - your gonna look nasty below 10) geez! Haha