**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[Hazard]

Fvck my life......

Okay..... Where do I start? Idunno how to put this really..... But here goes:

None of us are training true HIT..... We're getting close to failure. While we think we are there...., if we don't have a training partner we ARE NOT reaching the failure point that we need to. I can say this because I'm one of them..... Today I hit absolute failure with 6 sets total for chest.

3 sets incline dumbell press

3 sets flys

I almost puked and my chest feels like it's ripping off the collar bone. I am so fired up for the future of my physique..... Everything is different now

[RaginCajun]

Fvck my life......

Okay..... Where do I start? Idunno how to put this really..... But here goes:

None of us are training true HIT..... We're getting close to failure. While we think we are there...., if we don't have a training partner we ARE NOT reaching the failure point that we need to. I can say this because I'm one of them..... Today I hit absolute failure with 6 sets total for chest.

3 sets incline dumbell press

3 sets flys

I almost puked and my chest feels like it's ripping off the collar bone. I am so fired up for the future of my physique..... Everything is different now

i agree with the failure and training partner. you can push yourself harder knowing someone is going to help you get that weight off your neck!

sounds like you are really tearing it up!

[NACH3]

Fvck my life......

Okay..... Where do I start? Idunno how to put this really..... But here goes:

None of us are training true HIT..... We're getting close to failure. While we think we are there...., if we don't have a training partner we ARE NOT reaching the failure point that we need to. I can say this because I'm one of them..... Today I hit absolute failure with 6 sets total for chest.

3 sets incline dumbell press

3 sets flys

I almost puked and my chest feels like it's ripping off the collar bone. I am so fired up for the future of my physique..... Everything is different now

I fvkin knew it - I need a damn good training partner to get those forced into negs.... Is that where it's at Haz for sure!!

What do we do if we don't have a partner?? I know there's a way to hit true failure w/out one... But much easier w/one!

That's exactly what Marcus' w/o's look like(chest 2 maybe 3 ex's)

[kelkel]

What do we do if we don't have a partner??

RP's, Drops, short rest periods and desire.

[NACH3]

RP's, Drops, short rest periods and desire.

Exactly! That's what I was thinking also(as its the only way I know since training on my own)! i know for arms I can use my other arm to get forces into negs it's w/chest/back & delts I could really use a partner - or as I've been doing - everything into partials then 1/4s etc w/out a partner!!

[Hazard]

I fvkin knew it - I need a damn good training partner to get those forced into negs.... Is that where it's at Haz for sure!! What do we do if we don't have a partner?? I know there's a way to hit true failure w/out one... But much easier w/one! That's exactly what Marcus' w/o's look like(chest 2 maybe 3 ex's)

In his words..... You need to find a partner. It's hard enough to find a partner let alone one that can handle these workouts. Without a partner you won't get the most out of your workout. You need someone to make sure the weight won't fall on your face. He kept my form in check, and he applied pressure to the dumbells when they were next to my chest to give me the maximum stretch. It wasn't about drops and negatives so much as it was keeping my chest popped, back arched, and shoulders back. He really came into play at the end of the sets. 1st set - 100lb dumbells with a drop to 85's. The dumbells come down to my arm pits. The stretch is fvcking brutal. He had me pause and then push them up and they straighten out and then slightly twist at the top. I can't explain how much pressure was on the muscle. I've never isolated my chest like that. 2nd set - 85lb dumbells drop to 65 3rd set - 65lb dumbells drop to 45 The negatives were only with the initial weight. Once I dropped he had me rep out with the lower weight. Concentrating on form and flexing and then holding the stretch at the bottom with my elbows back. He noticed I'm Delt prominent. I bench with my delts.... I knew this was an issue but just today learned how to fix it. Overall today was a huge success..... I'm very pleased.

[NACH3]

In his words..... You need to find a partner. It's hard enough to find a partner let alone one that can handle these workouts. Without a partner you won't get the most out of your workout. You need someone to make sure the weight won't fall on your face. He kept my form in check, and he applied pressure to the dumbells when they were next to my chest to give me the maximum stretch. It wasn't about drops and negatives so much as it was keeping my chest popped, back arched, and shoulders back. He really came into play at the end of the sets. 1st set - 100lb dumbells with a drop to 85's. The dumbells come down to my arm pits. The stretch is fvcking brutal. He had me pause and then push them up and they straighten out and then slightly twist at the top. I can't explain how much pressure was on the muscle. I've never isolated my chest like that. 2nd set - 85lb dumbells drop to 65 3rd set - 65lb dumbells drop to 45 The negatives were only with the initial weight. Once I dropped he had me rep out with the lower weight. Concentrating on form and flexing and then holding the stretch at the bottom with my elbows back. He noticed I'm Delt prominent. I bench with my delts.... I knew this was an issue but just today learned how to fix it. Overall today was a huge success..... I'm very pleased.

Looking BIG brotha! Chest is filling out nicely!! Arms are huge lol

Nice man! Thx for sharing too! When your at the stretch(bottom) are you turning the bells(very slightly towards your palms facing w/the bell & Lower on the end closest to your delts)?? I seem to get a better flex at the top of contraction like this(but it could be due to my shoulder)... Just curious more than anything!

Yeah it's time to find a partner it's just I know not one person in my gym that won't slow me down... Until I find one lol keep blasting your BPs Haz your a head turner for sure!

[Bodacious]

Fvck Yea Haz!! Super Pumped for ya man!!

I just crushed chest myself.

Slight incline DB Press 1wu 2f 1w 9 +2f+1n

Incline DB Press 2F 1W 3.5 + 1f + 1n

Decline BB 1f 1w 7 + 2f

Then Flys all angles higher reps.

Great workout guys. Felt strong and felt good. I have a shoulder issue but it doesn't hurt while working out it start about an hour or something afterwards.

[Bodacious]

Looking BIG brotha! Chest is filling out nicely!! Arms are huge lol

Nice man! Thx for sharing too! When your at the stretch(bottom) are you turning the bells(very slightly towards your palms facing w/the bell & Lower on the end closest to your delts)?? I seem to get a better flex at the top of contraction like this(but it could be due to my shoulder)... Just curious more than anything!

Yeah it's time to find a partner it's just I know not one person in my gym that won't slow me down... Until I find one lol keep blasting your BPs Haz your a head turner for sure!

Nach I can tell a big difference with a partner and without a partner. I think its the mind set if this shit falls on me at least I will have help getting it back up. I don't seem to go as heavy without a partner and do less weight which makes me go over the 12 rep range. Some days I have one and he is pretty good but some days I don't.

[Hazard]

The dumbells are angled like a V shape at the bottom. The inside of the dumbells almost rest inside your arm pit. Your elbows have to be back as far as possible with your chest popping out and back arched. You hold the stretch and then push up making sure the dumbells stay over your chest and not go towards your delts. By the time they reach the top of the movement they should be parallel to the floor. You squeeze at the top while keeping your chest out and back arched.

I have a video - gotta remember my YouTube info to post it. Don't laugh at the weight lol it was my 3rd set and I felt like I was going to die haha

[Hazard]

Nach I can tell a big difference with a partner and without a partner. I think its the mind set if this shit falls on me at least I will have help getting it back up. I don't seem to go as heavy without a partner and do less weight which makes me go over the 12 rep range. Some days I have one and he is pretty good but some days I don't.

The partner is there to just make sure the weights won't fall on you. They can give you a stretch that you can't possibly give yourself. It's impossible

[NACH3]

The dumbells are angled like a V shape at the bottom. The inside of the dumbells almost rest inside your arm pit. Your elbows have to be back as far as possible with your chest popping out and back arched. You hold the stretch and then push up making sure the dumbells stay over your chest and not go towards your delts. By the time they reach the top of the movement they should be parallel to the floor. You squeeze at the top while keeping your chest out and back arched.

I have a video - gotta remember my YouTube info to post it. Don't laugh at the weight lol it was my 3rd set and I felt like I was going to die haha

Just shows you pushed as hard as you could on every set/rep so... much respect!!! We all know how strong you are - he killed you lol your going to GROW & GROW!

Thx that's what I was thinking in my head... V shape - good description all round - going to hit chest now!

[NACH3]

Nach I can tell a big difference with a partner and without a partner. I think its the mind set if this shit falls on me at least I will have help getting it back up. I don't seem to go as heavy without a partner and do less weight which makes me go over the 12 rep range. Some days I have one and he is pretty good but some days I don't.

I've had my fare share of partners... It's just they can't keep up or want to! furthermore, it's just like Haz said its for those extra reps that would most likely fall on us if not there lol - the key is to have someone on the same page as you and wants to be better each day! That's where I lost faith lol

[Bio-Active]

I've had my fare share of partners... It's just they can't keep up or want to! furthermore, it's just like Haz said its for those extra reps that would most likely fall on us if not there lol - the key is to have someone on the same page as you and wants to be better each day! That's where I lost faith lol

partners come and go. I have forced myself to learn to train without one. It's to hard to find one that is dependable and that truly wants to go to that next level

[Hazard]

I uploaded the video - at this time I can't send it out to everyone. My face is in there....

Any staff members that want to see it shoot me a pm.

[marcus300]

Fvck my life......

Okay..... Where do I start? Idunno how to put this really..... But here goes:

None of us are training true HIT..... We're getting close to failure. While we think we are there...., if we don't have a training partner we ARE NOT reaching the failure point that we need to. I can say this because I'm one of them..... Today I hit absolute failure with 6 sets total for chest.

3 sets incline dumbell press

3 sets flys

I almost puked and my chest feels like it's ripping off the collar bone. I am so fired up for the future of my physique..... Everything is different now

Lol I know how you feel haz lmfao.

[marcus300]

In his words..... You need to find a partner. It's hard enough to find a partner let alone one that can handle these workouts. Without a partner you won't get the most out of your workout. You need someone to make sure the weight won't fall on your face. He kept my form in check, and he applied pressure to the dumbells when they were next to my chest to give me the maximum stretch. It wasn't about drops and negatives so much as it was keeping my chest popped, back arched, and shoulders back. He really came into play at the end of the sets. 1st set - 100lb dumbells with a drop to 85's. The dumbells come down to my arm pits. The stretch is fvcking brutal. He had me pause and then push them up and they straighten out and then slightly twist at the top. I can't explain how much pressure was on the muscle. I've never isolated my chest like that. 2nd set - 85lb dumbells drop to 65 3rd set - 65lb dumbells drop to 45 The negatives were only with the initial weight. Once I dropped he had me rep out with the lower weight. Concentrating on form and flexing and then holding the stretch at the bottom with my elbows back. He noticed I'm Delt prominent. I bench with my delts.... I knew this was an issue but just today learned how to fix it. Overall today was a huge success..... I'm very pleased.

Looking pumped and huge. Look like bum cheeks

[clarky.]

Did chest and tri's the night it was a good session but i'm not going to do two muscle groups again i just short change myself.

Slight incline db tri ex 1 working 1 drop **new weight**

" Incline db press 1 working 1 drop **new weight**

". Incline db fly. 1 working 1 drop

Tri pd 1 working DD

Behind head tri ex 1 working DD

Pec dec 1 working 1 drop

Cardio 15min

Gym was very busy the night which was p!sh that's why i did tri's and chest everything was getting used. I had a bench and no cvnt was getting it hahaha untill i could get on the cables.

[kelkel]

partners come and go. I have forced myself to learn to train without one.

That's sums me up as well. I depend on me and no one else. Hell, my first handful of years training at home I had two leg exercises I could do, squats and stiff leg deads. I continued to make progress. It's how you mentally approach it.

[NACH3]

Chest Pullback S/S Pre-exhaust - don't know if pullback is the right word today lol
Switched up the S/S sequence for shits znd giggles and my chest FVKIN exploded!
Stretching abs rolling RCs lots more stretching

Slight incline press into flys so I had everything set up prior(all DBs so no one got to em - had the 120s--->60s lmao
2warm ups 2 feelers -- press/flys = reps
1w(120s) 8+ 2forced into slow neg/flys(80s) 8+
1w(110s) 4+2forced into a slow neg/flys(75s) 7+ a partial almost fell on me head lol
Obviously 2w sets to true failure and beyond

Reg incline press into flys
1w(100s) 6+2forced into slow neg/flys(65s)/8+
1w(90s) 5+ 2forced into a slow neg/flys(60s) 7+
Fvk me... That spotter knew what he was doing which was great got me forced into negs on all presses - chest exploded with blood

Tried decline hamner strength
1w(3wheels aside) to failure(8ish) done

2sets of cables(mid) really focusing on squeeze and holding it for 3-5sec each rep!

Weights done in 39min - still shaking hard to push these keys w-out hitting too many fvkin buttons Lolol -- good session guys im baaaack! Starting to push a lil more each wk

[Sfla80]

Haz = huge

Marcus...."looks like bum cheeks" lmfao

Bod, clarky, nach nice sessions

I will never have a training partner unless it's my son in future.

Heading to my new gym now. 30 min drive got my head there hopefully.

[Sfla80]

Haz how many reps total was each set, including drops?

[Bodacious]

Chest Pullback S/S Pre-exhaust - don't know if pullback is the right word today lol
Switched up the S/S sequence for shits znd giggles and my chest FVKIN exploded!
Stretching abs rolling RCs lots more stretching

Slight incline press into flys so I had everything set up prior(all DBs so no one got to em - had the 120s--->60s lmao
2warm ups 2 feelers -- press/flys = reps
1w(120s) 8+ 2forced into slow neg/flys(80s) 8+
1w(110s) 4+2forced into a slow neg/flys(75s) 7+ a partial almost fell on me head lol
Obviously 2w sets to true failure and beyond

Reg incline press into flys
1w(100s) 6+2forced into slow neg/flys(65s)/8+
1w(90s) 5+ 2forced into a slow neg/flys(60s) 7+
Fvk me... That spotter knew what he was doing which was great got me forced into negs on all presses - chest exploded with blood

Tried decline hamner strength
1w(3wheels aside) to failure(8ish) done

2sets of cables(mid) really focusing on squeeze and holding it for 3-5sec each rep!

Weights done in 39min - still shaking hard to push these keys w-out hitting too many fvkin buttons Lolol -- good session guys im baaaack! Starting to push a lil more each wk

Super strong Nach great session.

[NACH3]

Haz = huge

Marcus...."looks like bum cheeks" lmfao

Bod, clarky, nach nice sessions

I will never have a training partner unless it's my son in future.

Heading to my new gym now. 30 min drive got my head there hopefully.

That would be Most awesome! Something I'd love to do myself(someday hopefully)not sure if That would/can happen now

TY Bod!

[DCI]

Shoulders tonight. Work is mental at the moment and its taking its toll on my training. But it always is this time of year I can feel my body just getting tired and not able for all of the assault I am giving it.

The new year I will be fine again just have to ride out the tiredness and fatigue.

I started with hammerstrength shoulder plate press good few warm ups. Then into 2 heavy slow sets with a drop.

Then standing db pressing love these and how they focus muscle mind conection.

Then front and side raises super set.

Then to finish db shrugs muscles felt good but tired not the best workout I've had.

Then 20 mins cardio.

@haz looking all kinds of massive.

[Igifuno]

Looking nasty, Haz. Great job everyone.

Headed in now for back.

[Hazard]

Haz how many reps total was each set, including drops?

The initial weight was 8-10 but then he'd push down on the dumbells and I'd have to fight his pressure on the last two then drop weight and I'd get whatever I could.

One thing he emphasized..... Don't go into your lift with any specific weight or rep range in mind. There's no magic number..... It's only when your muscle fails that you make progress

[Sfla80]

The initial weight was 8-10 but then he'd push down on the dumbells and I'd have to fight his pressure on the last two then drop weight and I'd get whatever I could.

One thing he emphasized..... Don't go into your lift with any specific weight or rep range in mind. There's no magic number..... It's only when your muscle fails that you make progress

Very cool makes sense

[Sfla80]

Shoulders ......shitty session. This other gym is horrible. Couldn't get dumbells under 45 everytime I went. No free weight military press. Hate to be like this, but very ghetto also lol. Was on guard the whole time. Lmao.

Hammer strength machine

Seated side laterals dbs

Smith press straight into under hand grip ez bar front raise

Behind back cables into front cables

Face pulls

Thwn couldn't do anything else. One cable machine only one pec/Dec machine. Dbs all gone. Said screw it and left.

Hate that place lmao. Hopefully won't have to go back too many more times.

[NACH3]

The initial weight was 8-10 but then he'd push down on the dumbells and I'd have to fight his pressure on the last two then drop weight and I'd get whatever I could.

One thing he emphasized..... Don't go into your lift with any specific weight or rep range in mind. There's no magic number..... It's only when your muscle fails that you make progress

So... I get what he is saying, but wouldn't that fall into a more higher volume w/o or were you so crushed after the first working set into drops that your still hitting 12reps or under?? I get it that both can be implemented(higher volume/& what we do here) and it's wise to do both(hence your pullback w/higher reps)... but does his theory(or madness) go with Marcus' regarding rep range?? I ask b/c they're from he same camp... So even if your set turns into a high volume set will you still be recruiting those toughest muscle fibers(type 2b) or more along the lines of 2a?? This is actually something I've been thinking about for some time... So he says as long as your hitting absolute true failure(even at a higher volume) and beyond it doesn't matter as long as your actually hitting failure and beyond?? Very interesting... Marcus what are your thoughts on this?

[Igifuno]

Shoulders ......shitty session. This other gym is horrible. Couldn't get dumbells under 45 everytime I went. No free weight military press. Hate to be like this, but very ghetto also lol. Was on guard the whole time. Lmao. Hammer strength machine Seated side laterals dbs Smith press straight into under hand grip ez bar front raise Behind back cables into front cables Face pulls Thwn couldn't do anything else. One cable machine only one pec/Dec machine. Dbs all gone. Said screw it and left. Hate that place lmao. Hopefully won't have to go back too many more times.

You have a lot going on brother. It's amazing to me you have the energy to be in there. Once things settle it will be better.

I've been struggling in there the past couple weeks as well. Stress at work due to budget season as well as lack of sleep have been factors, but I've noticeably lost strength during this time, and I am 100% convinced it has everything to do with diet. I've been so inconsistent and would be surprised if I've eaten much over 2000 cal a day for the past couple weeks. Need to get back on track starting now.

Just finished a back session, going home and making a good dinner. Need to do some prep work for the rest of the week.

I train with Haz in exactly 10 days. There's no way I'm going to be a cvnt for that.

[marcus300]

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So... I get what he is saying, but wouldn't that fall into a more higher volume w/o or were you so crushed after the first working set into drops that your still hitting 12reps or under?? I get it that both can be implemented(higher volume/& what we do here) and it's wise to do both(hence your pullback w/higher reps)... but does his theory(or madness) go with Marcus' regarding rep range?? I ask b/c they're from he same camp... So even if your set turns into a high volume set will you still be recruiting those toughest muscle fibers(type 2b) or more along the lines of 2a?? This is actually something I've been thinking about for some time... So he says as long as your hitting absolute true failure(even at a higher volume) and beyond it doesn't matter as long as your actually hitting failure and beyond?? Very interesting... Marcus what are your thoughts on this?

Ian means that you don't have a set number of reps set into your head for that working set, you know its going to be within your rep range 6-12 reps and follows the HIT principles but you can't say you will hit 6 reps and drop because you may well do 8 reps then fail or even 10 then fail. That's why when I get up to 12 reps I start to increase the weight and bring the reps down but I don't have a set number I hit, big mistake thinking you will get 6 reps on this working set drop set because in your head you will stop at 6 reps when in reality you will probably get 8,9,10 or even 10 plus halves. Its all about taking that set to failure.

What Haz is explaining is what ive been saying all over this thread, failure means failure.

[Sfla80]

You have a lot going on brother. It's amazing to me you have the energy to be in there. Once things settle it will be better.

I've been struggling in there the past couple weeks as well. Stress at work due to budget season as well as lack of sleep have been factors, but I've noticeably lost strength during this time, and I am 100% convinced it has everything to do with diet. I've been so inconsistent and would be surprised if I've eaten much over 2000 cal a day for the past couple weeks. Need to get back on track starting now.

Just finished a back session, going home and making a good dinner. Need to do some prep work for the rest of the week.

I train with Haz in exactly 10 days. There's no way I'm going to be a cvnt for that.

She told me.to.go......lol...just sitting there.

We are in for another night. But will not keep this going on the thread....throw it off track

[kelkel]

We are in for another night. But will not keep this going on the thread....throw it off track

It concerns you, it concerns us. It is not off-track.

[NACH3]

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Ian means that you don't have a set number of reps set into your head for that working set, you know its going to be within your rep range 6-12 reps and follows the HIT principles but you can't say you will hit 6 reps and drop because you may well do 8 reps then fail or even 10 then fail. That's why when I get up to 12 reps I start to increase the weight and bring the reps down but I don't have a set number I hit, big mistake thinking you will get 6 reps on this working set drop set because in your head you will stop at 6 reps when in reality you will probably get 8,9,10 or even 10 plus halves. Its all about taking that set to failure.

What Haz is explaining is what ive been saying all over this thread, failure means failure.

Gotcha! Was reading into it more than I needed! Yes and nothing is ever set in stone - if I can get more reps than I had thought so be it... then I bump it up next time - and keep going till failure!! Regardless if I thought I would get 6... It's like you said I'll rep it out till I can't then patiala etc - Thx

Disregard PM! Lol

[marcus300]

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Gotcha! Was reading into it more than I needed! Thx

Disregard PM! Lol

Remember nothing is set in stone, my ideal rep range is 6-12 reps. Someone else may like the 4-10 range others 8-15 range, so long as it fits within the HIT principles its all about taking that working set to failure because that's when the set really starts. At failure is when the magic happens so don't have a set number of reps because you may do more or less just depends but its all about hitting failure, true positive failure.

[NACH3]

remember nothing is set in stone, my ideal rep range is 6-12 reps. Someone else may like the 4-10 range others 8-15 range, so long as it fits within the hit principles its all about taking that working set to failure because that's when the set really starts. At failure is when the magic happens so don't have a set number of reps because you may do more or less just depends but its all about hitting failure, true positive failure.

abso-fvkin-lutely!!! I know what you preach in here, Big Man(as I follow these principles as if you was there training with me - I just read it wrong - as soon as you said no set number in your head - it all clicked!! True Failure is true failure then there's beyond failure! It all starts in your head(the mental mind zone)

[Hazard]

You have a lot going on brother. It's amazing to me you have the energy to be in there. Once things settle it will be better. I've been struggling in there the past couple weeks as well. Stress at work due to budget season as well as lack of sleep have been factors, but I've noticeably lost strength during this time, and I am 100% convinced it has everything to do with diet. I've been so inconsistent and would be surprised if I've eaten much over 2000 cal a day for the past couple weeks. Need to get back on track starting now. Just finished a back session, going home and making a good dinner. Need to do some prep work for the rest of the week. I train with Haz in exactly 10 days. There's no way I'm going to be a cvnt for that.

Lmfao we're going to kill each other hahaha

[Hazard]

Ian means that you don't have a set number of reps set into your head for that working set, you know its going to be within your rep range 6-12 reps and follows the HIT principles but you can't say you will hit 6 reps and drop because you may well do 8 reps then fail or even 10 then fail. That's why when I get up to 12 reps I start to increase the weight and bring the reps down but I don't have a set number I hit, big mistake thinking you will get 6 reps on this working set drop set because in your head you will stop at 6 reps when in reality you will probably get 8,9,10 or even 10 plus halves. Its all about taking that set to failure. What Haz is explaining is what ive been saying all over this thread, failure means failure.

Exactly..... I should also note that this was our first session together and had to guess weights.

[Igifuno]

It concerns you, it concerns us. It is not off-track.

Agreed.