Live for the moment - A teenage Zeus' bodybuilding journey

[hollowedzeus]

85.6kg this morning.
What the fuck is that about....
Eating at 2300 kcal and doing 1000kcal of cardio most days and 500 on the days i dont.
Nonsense.

[cousinmuscles]

Zeus I have experienced that many times. Your body just found a new homeostasis point. What I do is stop cutting and go on with clean bulking, don't get fat though. Your metabolism goes down as you stay in a deficit. Eat clean and give your body some months to adapt to making this bodyfat level the new normal then go at it again and see how you can lose weight with less of a deficit.

[tarmyg]

Would you still use the yohimbine even if not in a fasted state? From what i understood it was usless if there is carbs present

Never heard that one. Nothing I have ever noticed at least.

[hollowedzeus]

Zeus I have experienced that many times. Your body just found a new homeostasis point. What I do is stop cutting and go on with clean bulking, don't get fat though. Your metabolism goes down as you stay in a deficit. Eat clean and give your body some months to adapt to making this bodyfat level the new normal then go at it again and see how you can lose weight with less of a deficit.

Its definety been in my head to do that but to be honest ive not really budged since the comp. Ive only really been at a deficit for 3 weeks. I feel like im doing something wrong rather than that. The only thing thts changed is i started clomid.

If anythinf i would say it would minisculy increase fat loss.

If i get another week with no yield i will up my caloroes again

Thanks for the input

[hollowedzeus]

Never heard that one. Nothing I have ever noticed at least.

Something to do with inulin. I read that it doesnt inhibit the alpha receptor unless insulin is low.

Cant be sure.

Thank you for the advice. I might give it a go. I hatr stimulants but ive got a box pf bronkaid sitting nd loads of yohimbine.

[cousinmuscles]

Its definety been in my head to do that but to be honest ive not really budged since the comp. Ive only really been at a deficit for 3 weeks. I feel like im doing something wrong rather than that. The only thing thts changed is i started clomid.

If anythinf i would say it would minisculy increase fat loss.

If i get another week with no yield i will up my caloroes again

Thanks for the input

Oh thought you had been cutting all along. Will read the whole thread soon.

[hollowedzeus]

Oh thought you had been cutting all along. Will read the whole thread soon.

Started a cut prettt soon after the comp ended but i had a coupl2 of weeks where my calories were sky high. Was pretty stressed coming up to my trt appointment. So ireversed whatever cutting i did beforehand.

[hollowedzeus]

Went ahead with ecy. Been shivering and shaking all day... although i did enjoy some white potatoes this morning as a treat. Kill me.

Gonna blast an hour od cardio after work. This fat is coming off if it kills me

[hollowedzeus]

133/70 bp. Prettt high for myself. Need to be careful

[hollowedzeus]

Heres where im at. 85.6kg.

Ill throw a photo up again in a couple of weeks

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[hollowedzeus]

Not well advised but i went and did fasted legs and an hour cardio. Legs was light. Spine is still sore.

Was reluctant to do it but im having a go at using ecy for fat loss. I hate stims but ill power through. Upon inspection last night i have lost my ephedrine source so ill make myself busy looking for another.

Ec was a lovely buzz but ecy stepping it up 10 notches. Have the cold jakey shakes throughout the day. Yohimbine hits hard. I beieve its because of the double blow of alpha receptor inhibition with beta receptor stimulation of e.

Not a fan of the feeling its what i imagine clen feels like.

Lets have at it boys

[hollowedzeus]

Eating on ecy is a nightmare. Appetite is 0

[marcus300]

Not a fan. I make a point of lying when it is or not telling people. Cant stand the fuss and attention... it isnt my bag at all. Just another day. But i guess on tuesday since ill be 19 i can definetly start taking steroids now since ill be stooped developing....

Headache has been missing today thankfully. Still no difference felt. Still skeptical of it.

From what ive read on other forums 25mg ed is even starting on the high side... expected much more.

Wish he just gave me nebido lol. I hope to god he doesnt offer me hcg mono next... he mentioned it....

Nebido + hcg would be fab.


Still doing a bit of prodding at my left nipple. Keeping an eye on it.

I think ive missed a lot so forgive me if I don't fully understand your issues your having. If does take time with the NHS if your going down this route and also there are things you can do to try and rush things through if you want, the only issue is your age which this time is against you but without doubt if you have low T and SUFFERING the sides they will address it.

Also, you can easily go private and get Nebido more or less straight away. I do know I clinic what are very good and also an endo who will help you but you will have to travel. Should cost you around £100 each injection for the nebido instead of £8 on the NHS lol also you will need to be with the clinic around 6 months and then they will write to your doctors and get you on the NHS.

If your going down the NHS route already keep with them until you come to a brick wall, you need to know what to say to them and understand how they work because they aren't that helpful and will try everything not to prescribe you TRT

[hollowedzeus]

I think ive missed a lot so forgive me if I don't fully understand your issues your having. If does take time with the NHS if your going down this route and also there are things you can do to try and rush things through if you want, the only issue is your age which this time is against you but without doubt if you have low T and SUFFERING the sides they will address it.

Also, you can easily go private and get Nebido more or less straight away. I do know I clinic what are very good and also an endo who will help you but you will have to travel. Should cost you around £100 each injection for the nebido instead of £8 on the NHS lol also you will need to be with the clinic around 6 months and then they will write to your doctors and get you on the NHS.

If your going down the NHS route already keep with them until you come to a brick wall, you need to know what to say to them and understand how they work because they aren't that helpful and will try everything not to prescribe you TRT

Cheers for your input.

Ive made the 8 hour trip and went to doncaster. I attended the leger clinic. He has confirmed to me that i have an issue and my levels are not of that of a young man.
I have just completed my third week of clomiphene 25mg ed.

During my appointment i mentioned to him that through my own research nebido is the option that id prefer to take. He was quick to dismiss that as a first option (i completely understand) and suggested clomid as its not thw sort of treatmemt where you go beyond the point of no return and apparantlt some men can be 'cured' and their levels stay elevated once ceasing treatment.

I have experienced no positive or negative effects of clomid besides a strange headache on the first week. I picked a different doctor (a male) who seems to be more understanding and savage wrote to him. Nhs seem to have agreed to take over blood work costs. I will be going in in a month to get it. Im assuming its the usual lh fsh free t e2 etc...

There is also a very small chance nhs will eventually pick up prescription costs. Not with clomid because its not supposed to be for men but once on testosterone .

I perhaps have not done things the way other would have done it but i would like something to be done sooner than later. I am more than ready to begin pinning test myself. I have everything i need. However the the rational part of me knows this is silly. I need a stable protocol looked over by a competent endo or doc. So this will be the last resort but im sure it wont come to it.

I am doing it as proper and as fast as i can. Nebido is the result i am looking for. I will take anything and everything on the way to it but i will settle for nothing less.

Which endo were you thinking of just so i have another option just incase?
Any thoughts you have on the situation i would apprecite if you chimed in

I fully take any and all repercussions that come along with following this path at a young age. Right now im not living the life i feel i should be living.

Dhea-s 8.330 umol/l 0.44-13.40
Fsh 2.47iu/l 1.50-12.4
Lh 4.57 iu/l 1.70-8.60
Testosterone 11.2 nmol/l 7.60 - 31.40
Free test 0.236nmol/l 0.30-1.00
Shbg 27.8nmol/l 16-55
Oestradial 52pmol/l 0-191.99

(Latest blood work, first thing in the morning fasted, right before my trt appointment. Private obviously as gps have told me i cant get any more bloodwork lol)

[marcus300]

Cheers for your input.

Ive made the 8 hour trip and went to doncaster. I attended the leger clinic. He has confirmed to me that i have an issue and my levels are not of that of a young man.
I have just completed my third week of clomiphene 25mg ed.

During my appointment i mentioned to him that through my own research nebido is the option that id prefer to take. He was quick to dismiss that as a first option (i completely understand) and suggested clomid as its not thw sort of treatmemt where you go beyond the point of no return and apparantlt some men can be 'cured' and their levels stay elevated once ceasing treatment.

I have experienced no positive or negative effects of clomid besides a strange headache on the first week. I picked a different doctor (a male) who seems to be more understanding and savage wrote to him. Nhs seem to have agreed to take over blood work costs. I will be going in in a month to get it. Im assuming its the usual lh fsh free t e2 etc...

There is also a very small chance nhs will eventually pick up prescription costs. Not with clomid because its not supposed to be for men but once on testosterone .

I perhaps have not done things the way other would have done it but i would like something to be done sooner than later. I am more than ready to begin pinning test myself. I have everything i need. However the the rational part of me knows this is silly. I need a stable protocol looked over by a competent endo or doc. So this will be the last resort but im sure it wont come to it.

I am doing it as proper and as fast as i can. Nebido is the result i am looking for. I will take anything and everything on the way to it but i will settle for nothing less.

Which endo were you thinking of just so i have another option just incase?
Any thoughts you have on the situation i would apprecite if you chimed in

I fully take any and all repercussions that come along with following this path at a young age. Right now im not living the life i feel i should be living.

Dhea-s 8.330 umol/l 0.44-13.40
Fsh 2.47iu/l 1.50-12.4
Lh 4.57 iu/l 1.70-8.60
Testosterone 11.2 nmol/l 7.60 - 31.40
Free test 0.236nmol/l 0.30-1.00
Shbg 27.8nmol/l 16-55
Oestradial 52pmol/l 0-191.99

(Latest blood work, first thing in the morning fasted, right before my trt appointment. Private obviously as gps have told me i cant get any more bloodwork lol)

Ok, thanks for the back story and sorry for forgetting and not being up to speed.

Please don't self medicate yet, please hold back no matter what you feel or want just stick with the proper channels trust me on this do not self medicate. I know you'll do what ever you feel is right but from what you just told me I don't think its that time.

There's probably a couple of things I would of done differently to help get you further down the road to TRT, I understand them trying to restart but in all honesty it sounds stupid and just a smoke and mirrors to just baffle you. But let me just bypass that for a min. Your T levels and free T always been around these figures? how many times have you pulled bloods. How do you feel? you looking well and seem to be still packing size on, is this true? if you are how do you feel emotionally?

[hollowedzeus]

Ok, thanks for the back story and sorry for forgetting and not being up to speed.

Please don't self medicate yet, please hold back no matter what you feel or want just stick with the proper channels trust me on this do not self medicate. I know you'll do what ever you feel is right but from what you just told me I don't think its that time.

There's probably a couple of things I would of done differently to help get you further down the road to TRT, I understand them trying to restart but in all honesty it sounds stupid and just a smoke and mirrors to just baffle you. But let me just bypass that for a min. Your T levels and free T always been around these figures? how many times have you pulled bloods. How do you feel? you looking well and seem to be still packing size on, is this true? if you are how do you feel emotionally?

Apparantly there is a reasonably high success rate with clomid restarts but my hpta has never had a high level so i never did have high hope. I was going to attempt a restart myself but i figured it would just delay going down the proper channels so i ended up just leaving the research clomid i bought.

In total i have had 3 bloods pulled. I had one 6 months ago. Total t 9.6. Free t 226pmol/l.
I had bloods took a while before that one but im not convinced the results are correct. Free testosterone came out at about the same. But total test was 16nmol and shbg was double was it was in the other 2 tests at around 45.
Something didnt add up with that one. But even if it was right. Free t was low and i knew that. I went in specifically for testosterone from reading so many logs on here and going '....thats me. I have those symptoms'

I have no issues building muscle in the slightest by the looks of it. Ive been following the basis of your hit regime since the competition started and i gained 15ish pounds and a lot of strength and size i believe.

I dont feel like a young man.

I have no desire in the slightest to be involved sexually or otherwise with a girl. This is the one that is messing with me the most.

Ive been in a position where have had the company of females and its never went well. First one was girlfriend of 2 years so it wasnt just a fluke of nerves or whatever.
I quite enjoy using cialis on occassion its a nice mental boost as i know it works for the purpose intended. So i guess this sorts that issue but its like putting a plaster on a gaping wound in my head.

Other sort of symptoms of low t can be debated whether its got to do with it or not. Although imo my levels are low, ive seen logs of people with far lower and fsr worse sides.

I feel like i get enough rest yet i feel tired all of the time.
I sweat profusely when in public from anxiety. I cant leave the house without a special under shirt that stops my sweat dripping through my outer t shirt.

Things are not as they should be. I am teetotal, dont smoke, dont do drugs and live a very healthy life. The only thing i can see being the cause of this is my fathers constant blasting of aas for a decade, during which i was conceived. Others arent convinced but i am.

Do you suggest i do anythinf differently as of right now?
Clomid isnt doing a thing. I am waiting on october so i can get my bloods and send my doc an update on how im getting on.
I dont want to get too pushy on nebido but i will let him know i would like to try something else. I get the feeling he wants to try hcg monotheropy next.

Thanks for taking the time to check up

[marcus300]

Apparantly there is a reasonably high success rate with clomid restarts but my hpta has never had a high level so i never did have high hope. I was going to attempt a restart myself but i figured it would just delay going down the proper channels so i ended up just leaving the research clomid i bought.

In total i have had 3 bloods pulled. I had one 6 months ago. Total t 9.6. Free t 226pmol/l.
I had bloods took a while before that one but im not convinced the results are correct. Free testosterone came out at about the same. But total test was 16nmol and shbg was double was it was in the other 2 tests at around 45.
Something didnt add up with that one. But even if it was right. Free t was low and i knew that. I went in specifically for testosterone from reading so many logs on here and going '....thats me. I have those symptoms'

I have no issues building muscle in the slightest by the looks of it. Ive been following the basis of your hit regime since the competition started and i gained 15ish pounds and a lot of strength and size i believe.

I dont feel like a young man.

I have no desire in the slightest to be involved sexually or otherwise with a girl. This is the one that is messing with me the most.

Ive been in a position where have had the company of females and its never went well. First one was girlfriend of 2 years so it wasnt just a fluke of nerves or whatever.
I quite enjoy using cialis on occassion its a nice mental boost as i know it works for the purpose intended. So i guess this sorts that issue but its like putting a plaster on a gaping wound in my head.

Other sort of symptoms of low t can be debated whether its got to do with it or not. Although imo my levels are low, ive seen logs of people with far lower and fsr worse sides.

I feel like i get enough rest yet i feel tired all of the time.
I sweat profusely when in public from anxiety. I cant leave the house without a special under shirt that stops my sweat dripping through my outer t shirt.

Things are not as they should be. I am teetotal, dont smoke, dont do drugs and live a very healthy life. The only thing i can see being the cause of this is my fathers constant blasting of aas for a decade, during which i was conceived. Others arent convinced but i am.

Do you suggest i do anythinf differently as of right now?
Clomid isnt doing a thing. I am waiting on october so i can get my bloods and send my doc an update on how im getting on.
I dont want to get too pushy on nebido but i will let him know i would like to try something else. I get the feeling he wants to try hcg monotheropy next.

Thanks for taking the time to check up

I know they have had some remarkable results with clomid therapy and many other restart programs but from my memory which from reading your post above about your past bloods its correct its not going to do anything except give false readings and probably waste around 6 months. I do hope I am wrong but ive been involved in many guys going down the private route and also the NHS for trt and fully understand how they think especially with the younger guys. I hope your endo is of the new breed and not the older ones

Some of your bloods look rather confusing you seem to swing rather a lot.

Well done on the 15lbs of muscle, that is some fuking tissue my friend and looking at your bf your doing well that's why I asked which part of the low T is effecting you. I will add a small note here I truly believe the HIT had a major part in this area and also your mind set.

That's very sad to read zeus that you have zero desire in women, you should be hunting every single day at your age and should be the driving force within you. I am not sure if the anxiety issue is directly related to low T but I would think its more mind set and the thinking of having T is causing this rather than a symptom if you understand.

I know its probably not what you want to hear but I would carry on now your going down this route and play ball with your endo until you come to a brick wall then pursue other measures or better endo's who will help you.

Nebido is fuking serious, some think its a light switch therapy but its not its a very slow build up and eventually its unbelievable in everyway. Ive been on trt for around 13yrs+ and nebido around 10 yrs.

I highly doubt your father being on steroids while having you as anything to do with your condition or conditions, as of yet we wait to see what exactly is wrong and I guess that's why the endo is trying everything before going down the route of full on trt for a young guy like yourself but what you say to him will move things faster along when you have your next apt

[hollowedzeus]

I know they have had some remarkable results with clomid therapy and many other restart programs but from my memory which from reading your post above about your past bloods its correct its not going to do anything except give false readings and probably waste around 6 months. I do hope I am wrong but ive been involved in many guys going down the private route and also the NHS for trt and fully understand how they think especially with the younger guys. I hope your endo is of the new breed and not the older ones

Some of your bloods look rather confusing you seem to swing rather a lot.

Well done on the 15lbs of muscle, that is some fuking tissue my friend and looking at your bf your doing well that's why I asked which part of the low T is effecting you. I will add a small note here I truly believe the HIT had a major part in this area and also your mind set.

That's very sad to read zeus that you have zero desire in women, you should be hunting every single day at your age and should be the driving force within you. I am not sure if the anxiety issue is directly related to low T but I would think its more mind set and the thinking of having T is causing this rather than a symptom if you understand.

I know its probably not what you want to hear but I would carry on now your going down this route and play ball with your endo until you come to a brick wall then pursue other measures or better endo's who will help you.

Nebido is fuking serious, some think its a light switch therapy but its not its a very slow build up and eventually its unbelievable in everyway. Ive been on trt for around 13yrs+ and nebido around 10 yrs.

I highly doubt your father being on steroids while having you as anything to do with your condition or conditions, as of yet we wait to see what exactly is wrong and I guess that's why the endo is trying everything before going down the route of full on trt for a young guy like yourself but what you say to him will move things faster along when you have your next apt

I shall post all my bloods below. I dont know why i didnt just do that rather than trying to explain them hah!

I doubt it was 15lbs of muscle but yes the training is incredible. I often find it difficult to get the mindset however. One of your posts detailing a single set of shoulder presses really resonated with me. I often think of that if im giving up in a set. I didnt eat THAT many calories. I was on around 3500 for the 12 week bulk so i was extremely pleased with the progress i made.

I completely understand that its very possible i cause my own symptoms unintentionally. Its hard to tell what is real and what isnt.

I agree i should be out chasing. At the moment i have a good looking girl at work throwing herself at me. Makes me sad really. Shes a couple of years older too

Savage seems to know his stuff. He explained the process of testosterone and bow things should work during my consultstion. I trust that he knows what he is doing.
He is very much of the modern approach, even telling me he has men on nebido and hcg , sometimes with an ai if needed (was nice to hear).

I can play the game, always have. The end is in sight but im unsure of how far i have left to go. It would very easy to jump the gun and rush things but its better to be done correctly.
I guarantee you though... no form of treatment is going to make me better until i recieve nebido lol.

I dont want to come across as trying to tell him how to do his job when i email him but i dont want to be pushed over either. I will need to find the sweet spot and hit the nail on the head or else waste more of my (and his) time. He did also ask me if i used anaboloc steroids so i am very aware that by having the preference of testosterone that i may come across as looking for legal steroids . (Probably more so of i opted for sustanon )

I shall post all my bloodwork below. It will be an eye sore but just incase you wanted to see it.

First result lools skewed. Free t is consistently low on all 3 however. Shbg is weird on the first one.

[hollowedzeus]

Plasma glucose level 4.5mmol/L - range 3.0-6.0

CALCIUM
serum albumin 54g/L - 35-50

Corrected serum calcium level 2.32mmol/L -range 2.20 - 2.60

serum lipids

Serum cholesterol 4.4mmol/L - range 0.0-5.0

Total cholesterol HDL RATIO 3.1

Serum triglycerides 0.60mmol/L - range 0.00-2.30

Serum HDL cholesterol levels 1.41mmol/L -range 0.90-1.80

Serum LDL cholesterol levels 2.7mmol/L -range 0.0-3.0

LIVER FUNCTION
Serum albumin - 54g/L - range 35-50
Serum alkaline phosphatase 79U/L - range 65-210
Serum alanine aminotransferase level 29U/L - range 5-55
Serum bilirubin 12umol/L - range 0-20

UREA AND ELECTROLYTES
Serum bicarbonate 27mmol/L - range 22-29
Serum chloride 101mmol/L - range 95-108
Serum sodium 145mmol/L - range 133-146
Serum creatinine 81umol/L - range 71-123
Estimated EGFR >59
Serum urea level 6.1mmol/L - range 2.5-7.8

THYROID
free t4 level 14.4pmol/L - range 9.p-21.0
Serum TSH level 1.32mU/L - range 0.20-5.00

VITIMIN D
Vitimin d 32nmol/L - range 25-170

TESTOSTERONE
Serum sex hormone binding globulin level 44.9nmol/L - range 17.00-56.0

Serum testosterone 16.70nmol/L - range 8.60-29.00

Calculated free testosterone 286pmol/L - range 200-620




Bloodwork 2

FBC
haemoglobin estimation - 15.2g/dl range -13.5-18

Mean corpuscular volume 94.2fl range 80-100

Platelet count315x10^9/l range 140-450

Total white vlood count 7x10^9/l range 4-11

Neutrophil count 3.9x10^9/l range 2-7.5

Lymphocyte count 2.4x10^9/l range 1-4

Monocyte count 0.6x10^9/l range 0.2-0.8

Eosinophil count 0.1x10^9/L range 0-0.4

Basophil count 0x10^9/L range 0-0.1

Rbc 4.98x10^12/L range 4.50-6.50

Haemocrit 0.469l/l range 0.400- 0.540

Mean corpuse haemoglobin 30.5pg range - 27-32

Mean corpuse hb conc32.4g/dl range- 32-36

Red blood cell distribution width 13.1% range - 11-16

Nucleated red blood cell count 0.01x10^9/L


LIVER FUNCTION
Serum albumin - 50g/L - range 35-50
Serum alkaline phosphatase 91U/L - range 65-210
Serum alanine aminotransferase level 67U/L - range 5-55
Serum bilirubin 7umol/L - range 0-20

UREA AND ELECTROLYTES
Serum bicarbonate 29mmol/L - range 22-29
Serum chloride 98mmol/L - range 95-108
Serum creatinine 89umol/L - range 71-123
Estimated EGFR >59
Serum urea level 4.1mmol/L - range 2.5-7.8


TESTOSTERONE
Serum sex hormone binding globulin level 21.8nmol/L - range 17.00-56.0

Serum testosterone 9.40nmol/L - range 8.60-29.00

Calculated free testosterone 228pmol/L - range 200-620




Bloodwork 3
Dhea-s 8.330 umol/l 0.44-13.40
Fsh 2.47iu/l 1.50-12.4
Lh 4.57 iu/l 1.70-8.60
Testosterone 11.2 nmol/l 7.60 - 31.40
Free test 0.236nmol/l 0.30-1.00
Shbg 27.8nmol/l 16-55
Oestradial 52pmol/l 0-191.99

[Myers]

I shall post all my bloods below. I dont know why i didnt just do that rather than trying to explain them hah!

I doubt it was 15lbs of muscle but yes the training is incredible. I often find it difficult to get the mindset however. One of your posts detailing a single set of shoulder presses really resonated with me. I often think of that if im giving up in a set. I didnt eat THAT many calories. I was on around 3500 for the 12 week bulk so i was extremely pleased with the progress i made.

I completely understand that its very possible i cause my own symptoms unintentionally. Its hard to tell what is real and what isnt.

I agree i should be out chasing. At the moment i have a good looking girl at work throwing herself at me. Makes me sad really. Shes a couple of years older too

Savage seems to know his stuff. He explained the process of testosterone and bow things should work during my consultstion. I trust that he knows what he is doing.
He is very much of the modern approach, even telling me he has men on nebido and hcg , sometimes with an ai if needed (was nice to hear).

I can play the game, always have. The end is in sight but im unsure of how far i have left to go. It would very easy to jump the gun and rush things but its better to be done correctly.
I guarantee you though... no form of treatment is going to make me better until i recieve nebido lol.

I dont want to come across as trying to tell him how to do his job when i email him but i dont want to be pushed over either. I will need to find the sweet spot and hit the nail on the head or else waste more of my (and his) time. He did also ask me if i used anaboloc steroids so i am very aware that by having the preference of testosterone that i may come across as looking for legal steroids . (Probably more so of i opted for sustanon )

I shall post all my bloodwork below. It will be an eye sore but just incase you wanted to see it.

First result lools skewed. Free t is consistently low on all 3 however. Shbg is weird on the first one.

Mindset is the problem, was for me at least, knowing that I have low T at this age gave me hard anxiety.

Im gonna tell ya the truth , it's gonna be a struggle to get out of the low T mindset , even when u get the nebido.

You really need to hunt some girls , i know i didn't , and the worst part is when u actually want to since nebido works , at least in my case , i felt like i was starting from lvl 1

my communication skills were on a level of my dog, i'd suggest you go out and hunt as much as u can , approach and at least talk , when u get the need for sex from TRT , it's gonna be easier to get some

Gotta break the low T mindset , it takes a while , im still doing it , nebido helps but a lot of it is in ur head.

[hollowedzeus]

I suppose expecting a massive weight being lifted instantly is too much to expect.

I completley understand that. Its just the feeling of being dragged down constantly.
I find it extremely difficult to go the places to initiate this.

I was sitting sweating and panting with nerves at a collegues party so i started chatting up the girl from work. Worked a treat there. People think im a bit of a dick ow for not going out with her.

I dont have confidence. Im a wreck alot of the time. However feigning confidence is one of my traits. I am one of 19 narrowed down from thousands to be on my degree. I have sailed through interviews other times also. I am going to be a teacher.
I look confident. But i dont feel it.


How long did it take you for the nebido to 'hit'?

[Myers]

I suppose expecting a massive weight being lifted instantly is too much to expect.

I completley understand that. Its just the feeling of being dragged down constantly.
I find it extremely difficult to go the places to initiate this.

I was sitting sweating and panting with nerves at a collegues party so i started chatting up the girl from work. Worked a treat there. People think im a bit of a dick ow for not going out with her.

I dont have confidence. Im a wreck alot of the time. However feigning confidence is one of my traits. I am one of 19 narrowed down from thousands to be on my degree. I have sailed through interviews other times also. I am going to be a teacher.
I look confident. But i dont feel it.


How long did it take you for the nebido to 'hit'?

My confidence was non existent , it's getting better but i'm still not on the level of it for my years. Yeah i can fake confidence very well too, no1 ever would notice , at least not till they really dig in aand thats when my relationships fall off lol...im workin on it
Same here , i'm getting my degree soon , almost done with the uni , and it was very hard , i should be really confident that i pulled off something as good as that but i ain't really feelin it ... you nailed it brother - Ilook confident but i don't feel it.

Took me sometime , i guess a year to feel the full effect , placebo i could feel instantly , some stuff u will feel in a very short time , some other changes will take a while

TRT isn't a magic pill when it comes to confidence/well being , but it's a good base to actually build that confidence on. As u worked hard on ur competition , you will have to work as hard on this. That's my advice

[hollowedzeus]

My confidence was non existent , it's getting better but i'm still not on the level of it for my years. Yeah i can fake confidence very well too, no1 ever would notice , at least not till they really dig in aand thats when my relationships fall off lol...im workin on it
Same here , i'm getting my degree soon , almost done with the uni , and it was very hard , i should be really confident that i pulled off something as good as that but i ain't really feelin it ... you nailed it brother - Ilook confident but i don't feel it.

Took me sometime , i guess a year to feel the full effect , placebo i could feel instantly , some stuff u will feel in a very short time , some other changes will take a while

TRT isn't a magic pill when it comes to confidence/well being , but it's a good base to actually build that confidence on. As u worked hard on ur competition , you will have to work as hard on this. That's my advice

Glad to here it mate. Best of luck finishing your studies. Ive been faking for a few years its like second nature now lol. Dont really have to worry about relationships breaking down.

Id be silly not to take good advice. Trt is the end of one journey and the start of another. Hope i get the success that you have recieved.

Hope you are keeping well big guy

[Myers]

Glad to here it mate. Best of luck finishing your studies. Ive been faking for a few years its like second nature now lol. Dont really have to worry about relationships breaking down.

Id be silly not to take good advice. Trt is the end of one journey and the start of another. Hope i get the success that you have recieved.

Hope you are keeping well big guy

No prob , pm me if u need anything. Currently exams and cycle i'm on don't leave me much free time to scroll trough everything as much as i'd like..

[hollowedzeus]

84.3kg this morning after half a kilo of chicken last night. Good shout on the ecy tarmyg.

I think ill bring it down to 78/79 then bulk again

[marcus300]

84.3kg this morning after half a kilo of chicken last night. Good shout on the ecy tarmyg.

I think ill bring it down to 78/79 then bulk again

Why are you cutting and why do you choose ECA mate?

[hollowedzeus]

Why are you cutting and why do you choose ECA mate?

I put on a wee bit of chunk on my bulk and i was eating lots of rubbish around the trt time with nerves. I dont want to be the fat guy again.

Cutting just a bit to knock the bf back a wee bit. Im still not big enough to cut right down so ill bulk before i get too low.

Tarmyg suggested it. I managed to find bronkid online before it dissapeared so i have it lying around. Thought id give it a wee bash. I most likely dont need it so i will probably not run it lol. I can already feel myself reachimg homeostasis with it. I dont like relying on drugs.

Ive not been enamoured with the progress i made over the last month of cutting even though ive been at a slight defecit, 1000kcal of cardi0 most days and 500kcal on the other days.

Especially when its what im absolutely driving for in my life right now. At this present moment this is what i live to do. I miss things to go to the gym and i avoid socialising when friends constantly go out to dinner.

Not the healthiest attitude but thats where im at atm lol

[marcus300]

I put on a wee bit of chunk on my bulk and i was eating lots of rubbish around the trt time with nerves. I dont want to be the fat guy again.

Cutting just a bit to knock the bf back a wee bit. Im still not big enough to cut right down so ill bulk before i get too low.

Tarmyg suggested it. I managed to find bronkid online before it dissapeared so i have it lying around. Thought id give it a wee bash. I most likely dont need it so i will probably not run it lol. I can already feel myself reachimg homeostasis with it. I dont like relying on drugs.

Ive not been enamoured with the progress i made over the last month of cutting even though ive been at a slight defecit, 1000kcal of cardi0 most days and 500kcal on the other days.

Especially when its what im absolutely driving for in my life right now. At this present moment this is what i live to do. I miss things to go to the gym and i avoid socialising when friends constantly go out to dinner.

Not the healthiest attitude but thats where im at atm lol

I'm really not sure if I would go down the route of ECA at your stage to be honest, I think learning and understanding about your body and how it changes with different foods and diets would be a better approach than a drug what can knock your appetite right off which isn't the key of any goal imho. If you pack on some timber when you eat bad stop eating bad and don't reply on a drug to compensate for it, I would go down learning from this and adjusting things weather this is through a keto/carb cycling or just a deficit via cardio or any of the other ways you can approach this. We always look at drugs as a means to our gaols but someone from what your going through I'd be as clean as possible and learn because you truly have come along way not only by adding muscle tissue to your frame but mentally you have aged and gained a lot of knowledge but again I understand the frustration and believe me I really do

[marcus300]

I put on a wee bit of chunk on my bulk and i was eating lots of rubbish around the trt time with nerves. I dont want to be the fat guy again.

Cutting just a bit to knock the bf back a wee bit. Im still not big enough to cut right down so ill bulk before i get too low.

Tarmyg suggested it. I managed to find bronkid online before it dissapeared so i have it lying around. Thought id give it a wee bash. I most likely dont need it so i will probably not run it lol. I can already feel myself reachimg homeostasis with it. I dont like relying on drugs.

Ive not been enamoured with the progress i made over the last month of cutting even though ive been at a slight defecit, 1000kcal of cardi0 most days and 500kcal on the other days.

Especially when its what im absolutely driving for in my life right now. At this present moment this is what i live to do. I miss things to go to the gym and i avoid socialising when friends constantly go out to dinner.

Not the healthiest attitude but thats where im at atm lol

I'm really not sure if I would go down the route of ECA at your stage to be honest, I think learning and understanding about your body and how it changes with different foods and diets would be a better approach than a drug what can knock your appetite right off which isn't the key of any goal imho. If you pack on some timber when you eat bad stop eating bad and don't reply on a drug to compensate for it, I would go down learning from this and adjusting things weather this is through a keto/carb cycling or just a deficit via cardio or any of the other ways you can approach this. We always look at drugs as a means to our gaols but someone from what your going through I'd be as clean as possible and learn because you truly have come along way not only by adding muscle tissue to your frame but mentally you have aged and gained a lot of knowledge but again I understand the frustration and believe me I really do

[hollowedzeus]

I'm really not sure if I would go down the route of ECA at your stage to be honest, I think learning and understanding about your body and how it changes with different foods and diets would be a better approach than a drug what can knock your appetite right off which isn't the key of any goal imho. If you pack on some timber when you eat bad stop eating bad and don't reply on a drug to compensate for it, I would go down learning from this and adjusting things weather this is through a keto/carb cycling or just a deficit via cardio or any of the other ways you can approach this. We always look at drugs as a means to our gaols but someone from what your going through I'd be as clean as possible and learn because you truly have come along way not only by adding muscle tissue to your frame but mentally you have aged and gained a lot of knowledge but again I understand the frustration and believe me I really do

No youre completely right. I say i dont like taking shortcuts but there ive went ans done it.

Last dose of ecy this morning. Its so easy just to take 3 stims and lose the fat.

I lost 20lbs in a month on keto however i didnt feel healthy. I will continue to just putting in the effort with the cardio.

Thanks for the slap across the head, i needed that.

Its easy to forget you guys have been at this since before ive been born and wish i looked massive and shredded over summer.

Drugs are no substitute for hardwork

[marcus300]

No youre completely right. I say i dont like taking shortcuts but there ive went ans done it.

Last dose of ecy this morning. Its so easy just to take 3 stims and lose the fat.

I lost 20lbs in a month on keto however i didnt feel healthy. I will continue to just putting in the effort with the cardio.

Thanks for the slap across the head, i needed that.

Its easy to forget you guys have been at this since before ive been born and wish i looked massive and shredded over summer.

Drugs are no substitute for hardwork

There's no way in hell i want to come across as to slapping you Zues, your more mature than many guys older than yourself and ive seen this develop since you been here. This site has seen you grow in many ways

Ive been away for a bit and forgot what you have done so forgive me, i didn't know you tried keto. I prefer carb cycling for me its preserves more tissue and when dieiting the key element is not fat lose for me that's second muscle preservation is key and that's were many go wrong. You'll see many grow big and diet it all off and lose the muscle along side it and then grow big and again diet it all off again. That's a big red flag for me, there isn't a fucking chance of me dieting my muscle tissue away after what ive been through to put it on, that's my main goal in dieting. I know sounds fuking out there but think about it

Your at that learning stage and its so critical to fully understand, its a journey a walk along side a Loch not a jet ski across one I do preach from 30yrs of experience even though I wish i could listen to myself preach when i was a young lad but doubt i would of listened lol

[hollowedzeus]

There's no way in hell i want to come across as to slapping you Zues, your more mature than many guys older than yourself and ive seen this develop since you been here. This site has seen you grow in many ways

Ive been away for a bit and forgot what you have done so forgive me, i didn't know you tried keto. I prefer carb cycling for me its preserves more tissue and when dieiting the key element is not fat lose for me that's second muscle preservation is key and that's were many go wrong. You'll see many grow big and diet it all off and lose the muscle along side it and then grow big and again diet it all off again. That's a big red flag for me, there isn't a fucking chance of me dieting my muscle tissue away after what ive been through to put it on, that's my main goal in dieting. I know sounds fuking out there but think about it

Your at that learning stage and its so critical to fully understand, its a journey a walk along side a Loch not a jet ski across one I do preach from 30yrs of experience even though I wish i could listen to myself preach when i was a young lad but doubt i would of listened lol

Im pleased you think that big man

Nah its no worries. I did it for a while. I even got my first blood test on keto with the higher test and higher shbg. Might have been related.
Didnt feel too healthy on it though.

I also gave carb cycling a go. Tried the carb cycling 101 thread by i think gbrice. I didnt feel it went so well. The refeeds i believe are what let me down. Low ot medium carbs are the way for me to do it healthier i think.

I would hate to lost any tissue i built over the last while. Hit seems to maintaining my stregth well.

I would be silly to disregard good information from you guys. Ive thought about it before and just doing the 'i know best' attitude. But thats the immature part of me.

I greatly appreciate the time youre putting into to this thread marcus. I will heed your advice and forge ahead with only my diet training and lifestyle shaping my physique and mind.

[marcus300]

Im pleased you think that big man

Nah its no worries. I did it for a while. I even got my first blood test on keto with the higher test and higher shbg. Might have been related.
Didnt feel too healthy on it though.

I also gave carb cycling a go. Tried the carb cycling 101 thread by i think gbrice. I didnt feel it went so well. The refeeds i believe are what let me down. Low ot medium carbs are the way for me to do it healthier i think.

I would hate to lost any tissue i built over the last while. Hit seems to maintaining my stregth well.

I would be silly to disregard good information from you guys. Ive thought about it before and just doing the 'i know best' attitude. But thats the immature part of me.

I greatly appreciate the time youre putting into to this thread marcus. I will heed your advice and forge ahead with only my diet training and lifestyle shaping my physique and mind.

I will revisit the carb cycling with you just haven't got time to check out what you did and what i do, I carb cycle all the time no matter what my goal cutting or bulking its my way and it helps me to maintain the size, infact let me say its the only way for me for my body.

Your doing ok, don't worry don't get frustrated and don't let that anxiety consume you. There are things you can do to help you release these things inside your head which we can talk about at a later stage.

[hollowedzeus]

I will revisit the carb cycling with you just haven't got time to check out what you did and what i do, I carb cycle all the time no matter what my goal cutting or bulking its my way and it helps me to maintain the size, infact let me say its the only way for me for my body.

Your doing ok, don't worry don't get frustrated and don't let that anxiety consume you. There are things you can do to help you release these things inside your head which we can talk about at a later stage.

Ill have a dig back at my fitness pal. I logged a few typical days on there and started eating 1 of 3 days consistently. Cheers.

Would be superb take care big guy

[marcus300]

Ill have a dig back at my fitness pal. I logged a few typical days on there and started eating 1 of 3 days consistently. Cheers.

Would be superb take care big guy

I know the 101 gbrice carb cycling approach. There are many ways to CC but its not the only tool in the chest but its one for me what i rate

[marcus300]

Ill have a dig back at my fitness pal. I logged a few typical days on there and started eating 1 of 3 days consistently. Cheers.

Would be superb take care big guy

I know the 101 gbrice carb cycling approach. There are many ways to CC but its not the only tool in the chest but its one for me what i rate

[hollowedzeus]

A couple of people commented that i had the jakey shakes in work today. That was hard to pass off lol

[hammerheart]

A couple of people commented that i had the jakey shakes in work today. That was hard to pass off lol

Were those from ECA?

[hollowedzeus]

Were those from ECA?

Yes unfortunatly. My arms and hands shake uncontrollably when grappling small things like pencils or something.

It looks ehat i assume clen shakes is like

[hammerheart]

Yes unfortunatly. My arms and hands shake uncontrollably when grappling small things like pencils or something.

It looks ehat i assume clen shakes is like

There is a certain point where our nervous system can function normally after adrenergic stimulation, it depends how the receptors are configured and how solid the balancing factors (GABA, dopamine) are. After that limit is reached it's not worth it imo, the receptors will burn out (downregulate) eventually.